Barack Obama is set to announce a “way forward” on health care in just a couple hours, and every indication is that he will press for a reconciliation “sidecar” approach if Republicans, as expected, refuse to work on a bipartisan package. That pivot could come as soon as the next few weeks, if previous published reports calling for final passage by the Easter recess are accurate.
The president will outline the plan to pass the bill, including having the House of Representatives pass the Democratic Senate health care reform legislation as well as a second bill containing various “fixes.”
He will call for an up or down vote, as has happened in the past, and though he won’t use the word reconciliation, he’ll make it clear that if they’re not given an up or down vote, Democrats will use the reconciliation rules.
White House officials will make the argument these rules are perfectly appropriate because the procedure is not being used for the whole bill, just for some fixes; because reconciliation rules are traditionally used for deficit reduction and health care reform will reduce the deficit; and because the reconciliation process has been used many times by Republicans for larger legislation such as the tax cuts pushed by President George W. Bush.
Republicans have already rejected Obama’s inclusion of a few of their health care proposals in the bill, so expect reconciliation to be the next move, after the House presumably passes the Senate bill.
I say “presumably” there because it remains to be seen whether Nancy Pelosi can corral the needed 216 votes to pass the Senate bill, especially before reconciliation fixes are put into motion. Under the plan floated, President Obama would actually sign the Senate bill into law before the reconciliation fixes are completed, which has to make House members nervous. But the unpopularity of the bill and the politics of the midterms has even those who voted for the bill previously uneasy about taking the leap again. Mike Arcuri (D-NY) is a good example.
U.S. Rep. Michael Arcuri, D-Utica, said Tuesday he would vote against the Senate version of the health care bill that could soon go before the House of Representatives for approval.
Arcuri, who voted in early November in favor of the House version of the health care bill, said he is against the Senate bill for three main reasons:
* He doesn’t want to see the bill passed as a “mega bill,” and he believes more success would be had by breaking the bill apart and passing aspects of it incrementally, he said.
* Arcuri also said he isn’t comfortable with the possible Democratic strategy of passing the bill through reconciliation. This would get around Republican opposition by having the House pass the Senate bill, then the Senate would make amendments requested by the House, and the House would pass the new Senate bill. In other words, a Republican filibuster in the Senate could likely be avoided.
* The Senate bill differs from the House bill in ways Arcuri said he dislikes. He cited a provision that would tax benefits on insurance policies, expand Medicaid eligibility, provide an unfairly low amount of funding to the state and not allow for negotiations on prescription drug prices.
“There would have to be some dramatic changes in it for me to change my position,” Arcuri said.
Some of these points are completely valid, some less so (he cares about the reconciliation process while sitting in a majoritarian body?). But the actual content of his complaints are less vital than the fact of the complaints themselves. This will play out a hundred times, with leadership needing to talk down, cajole and/or threaten skittish Congresscritters. But sometimes skittishness wins.
In Arcuri’s case, his own opponent calls this proposed vote against health care “flip-flopping [...] pandering, politics and opportunism.” There’s little benefit to flipping to a no vote when your opponent will merely use the previous yes vote as the basis for his campaign. But such logic frequently escapes Democrats.
I can see lots of House Democrats making legitimate arguments to vote against the Senate bill, and Arcuri’s lament is just a bellweather for what’s to come in the next couple weeks. If March 19 comes and goes without passage in the House, you’ll know Nancy Pelosi doesn’t have the votes.
UPDATE: Democratic leaders continue to insist that they have the votes, which of course they would do at this point. I will happily believe them when they schedule a vote. Until then, they’re still working on it.




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Nancy Pelosi repeatly makes the statement that the PO would reduce the deficit by one hundred and twenty billion dollars. If that is even half true, than not passing the PO through reconciliation is a travesty and anyone that opposes it should loose their seat in the House or the Senate. There is no political calculation that outwieghs the merits of passing an alternative option for health insurance for the public.
Kill the bill.
Kill the bill.
Kill the bill. Kill it dead.
No public option, no mandate!
arcuri= blue dog from area west of albany.
seems like bad politics to be a flip-flopper on this.
fixed your typo….
Americans like a fighter.
But didn’t Nancy Pelosi say that she was lining up jobs for Congresspeople who lose their jobs in exchange for voting for this gigantic piece of corporate welfare? You don’t think Obama and others in charge are going to let such things like rules against bribery stand in their way.
What fantasy world are we living in where one vote from a Collins or Snow would give a Bill a bipartisan imprimatur?
The Kakistocrats are attempting to sell us laxative laced with blow as the real thing. Another two years of Obama and St.Ronnie will look like a boy scout, where the dismantling of democracy and transfer of wealth to the Ueber Class are concerned.
Mobilizing on the internet is all well and good but it does not sufficiently rattle the nerves of TPTB. Democrats need to turn out in the streets if they want to empower their sedated ‘activism’. Obama is aiming for class apartheid across the board – the eureka moment is here now, go do it!
Who cheers if you pass the Obama and Max Baucus gift to Insurance Companies during the current Depression? No One
Nancy Pelosi has had it with this white house and Senate, I don’t see Nancy looking for ways to pass this HCR SCAM, I see a lot of House Dems looking for their Joe Liebermans, Ben Nelson, Blanche Lincolns to kill this Bill.
Obama has no more political capital, It is and will be every House Dem member for themselves.
House Dems better listen to Democratic Strategist Charlie Cook, don’t walk from this HCR scam Bill, run from it, because if you vote for it you will more than likely being joining the ranks of the unemployed in November.
We should run a candidate against Arcuri, these DINOs are unacceptable. We need progressive change, not benedict arcuri’s in the house torpedoing our agenda. We don’t even have to create a party just takeover the Working Families Party of NY http://www.workingfamiliesparty.org/
Excuse me, but:
So, if they’re not going to get a single Republican vote, why are Republican proposals in the bill while good ideas that the Democrats’ base wants – like the public option – not in the bill?
Are Democrats sellouts? Are they stupid? Combination of both?
In the spirit of bi-partisanship our new healthcare reform bill will look something like this: Tax cuts for Big InsurPharma, mandated insurance for us poor saps that we can’t afford, confiscation of assets of people that don’t buy insurance, the ability to cross state lines to buy an equally unaffordable piece of shit policy with high deductibles, no coverage for pre-existing conditions, and the outlawing of all malpractice lawsuits no matter how egregious the butchery, and absolutely no abortions. This would make republicans absolutely giddy, thus making Rahm and Obama happy.
This, of course, would take effect next week.
It’s an O feature, not a bug.
What part of we’ve been had did folks not understand a year or more ago?
Amen, brother.
Democratic base DOES NOT want the public option… the left wing fringe… YES but not the base. You people surround yourselves with other left wing lunatics that you think most everybody thinks the way you do. You are completely out of touch… YOU are far and away a minority…
Also… I love how BHO denounced using reconciliation in the time leading up to his presidency and saying that it is no way to govern but now he has no problem. That guy is a snake in the grass.
Is Rachel Maddow the new mouth piece for the White House?
Lately she comes each night telling the whole world Health Care Reform is going to pass and there is nothing Republicans can do about it.
Rachel makes it sound like real Democrats like this HCR scam Bill wrote by Max Baucus friends in the Insurance Industry.
Rachel a lot of DEMS HATE this Max Baucus and White House HCR scam Bill
Because the Democrats, like the Republicans, are looking to preserve the insurance industry. The Republicans are stonewalling, simply put, because they want Obama to fail, so that they can do what Obama is trying to do when they’re in power.
This is just basically untrue. Opinion polls show the public option to be far more popular than the Senate bill.
Let’s see that would be the same fringe made up of 60-70% of the American electorate which favors a public option. I’m assuming you failed math as a youngster.
Which PO? the nonexistent robust one or it’s pale and useless ghost?
Dear Barak:
How’s that Bipartisan strategy going for you?
We see it as a mammoth failure to use your majority.
Hope you enjoy bipartisanship in 2001 and 2012. We know we won’t.
In addition, thanks for spending $1 Trillion on Aghanistan “to make us safe.” From what? Lack of heath care that we could have has withe the $1 Trillion?
The one we will get after a general strike cripples capital’s ability to rule, of course.
Too bad the President didn’t spend as much time or political clout fighting for the public option as he did trying to appease Rethugs.
The President and this bill just make me sick. Thinking of what we could have accomplished with just a little leadership from the President.
I’m only going to support Progressive candidates wherever they are in the future.
ObamaRahma won’t get my vote or money next time.
Wtf? Poll after poll shows that over 80% of the Democrats’ base wants a public option. For that matter, the polls show over 50% of the Republicans’ base wants a public option.
My original point still stands: Rather than add Republican proposals that haven’t won a single Republican vote in Congress, the Dems should be adding proposals that will win votes next Nov from their own base. The fact that they’re not shows that the party is dominated by sellouts and/or idiots.
Blue Texan’s regularly scheduled post is ready for our perusal: Blanche Lincoln Attacks Bill Halter for Not Supporting Public Option Strongly Enough
The Democrats are in a lose-lose position on healthcare. If they don’t pass a bill, they will be tarred for wasting a year in perilous economic times. If they pass this POS, they will be tarred with that.
Curiously, the one way out of this would be to pass a more modest bill which did away with the worst of insurance company abuses and widened coverage through Medicaid and Medicare. But this violates my “sensible” paradox. If they could act this reasonably now, then they could just as easily acted sensibly at the beginning and passed a single payer plan.
S/he’s usually a drive by troll.
I felt the need to use it as an opportunity to throw up those numbers yet again!
This entire circus act is designed to produce an acceptably minimal bill.
A small additional population of people will gain a slice of benefit, but more importantly The Insurance Industry will be preserved. Actual transformative Health Care Policy (like Single Payer) is probably now dependent upon state-based enactment. Those states will thrive and business-environment greed will be the primary incentive that drives it National around 2035 or so.
Sorry for the cynical outlook, but I’ve pretty much had enough of this inept and corrupt “HCR” dance.
If we could only make Congress realize that 80% of Americans trumps 100% of corporations and Wall St.
I just heard that Pfizer is buying off generic drug makers to keep their goods off the shelves. Savvy Businessmen doing savvy business shit, I guess.
You are both correct and incorrect.
Correct in that a Public Option (ugh) or Medicare (better) for all is good for us.
Incorrect in that a Public Option destroys the Private Health Insurance’s visibly broken business model. The PO also directly puts a huge hole in the dogma that “private industry can do it better,” and exposes this dogma for the BS it truly is for mature industries.
In other words, the PO takes money away from the moneyied class.
The Health Insurance business model is broken becaue the health insurance providers have no cost cntrols imposed, and even with 30 million more policy holders, the failure of the health insurance business is only postponed.
To impose cost control on health care providers then requires the gouging of the health education industry to be controlled, and the need for the $250,000 or so in debt to get an MD addressed…
Healt Care Reforem is a symptom of a systemic failure. The systemic failure or complete failure of the economic model practiced by the US. Our leaders will do anything, anything, to postpone facing this obvious fact.
I don’t know why, but, although it is as predictable and repetitive as the sunrise every morning, it never fails to shock and offend me how the Repugs and their mouth-breathing followers continue to just make shit up to rebut the facts supporting progressive policies in health care and other areas.
Capitalism works only for those living off capital. For those who have to earn it, not so much. The news is that finally the Invisible Hand of the Markets has been found, lo and behold, emptying the pockets of the prols.
It is odd that Obama’s only real accomplishment may end up being something nobody wants.
No public option.
No attacking the skyrocketing cost of medical services
Mandating everyone buy something from insurance companies under penalty of jail.
Slight of hand on the costs (10 years revenue and 6 years benefits)
Depends on cuts from waste, fraud and abuse which have historically never happened.
Too complicated
Neither side likes it.
The only good thing about it is the “no pre-existing conditions” clause.
Since he spent no time trying to appease Repugs, that means he spent even less on the public option.
He did spend time APPEARING to appease Repugs that he could have spent better on the public option.
Even more important: how much time did any of them spend on single payer??
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen David Dayen and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Thanx again for another great post, Citizen Dayen. I have two questions for you.
1.) Doesn’t Pelosi have the chops to get 216 votes especially if Obama pledges publically not to sign the Senate bill until the fixes hit the House?
2.) Do you think that Obama could actually live with the Senate bill absent the fixes because if he could then the Democrats in the House better kill the bill?
Thanx again for the post even though the news in it has the effect of listenin’ to the executioner give us the time of day.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, IT LOOKS LIKE WE MEET IN THE STREET!!
I agree. They have no intention of EVER creating any escape route out of this dead end bill. Its as if the Health Ins. mafia owns this sector of the economy and they insist that they get it all their way or the hiway. Obama and the Corporatist Dems. are hell bent it seems on giving them exactly what they want and holding millions hostage till they get it. Its NOT about lowering costs to this group its about boosting Corp. profits.
Obama is showing us how to get creamed at three-dimensional chess.
Well the speech is over and the bobbleheads are pondering the audacity of upperdown votes.
The pre-existing conds. clause is easily gamed. the Ins. companies cannot deny you a policy but they can charge u so much for it u can’t afford it anyway. So whats the big deal about the pre-existing thing? Its BS! They want the billions in subsidizes for all those millions that will then be forced to buy their shitty over priced policies. Its a scam and Obama has destroyed himself and his admins. credibility trying to foist this crap off on the public.
I wish Obama wasn’t so darn loyal to the Senate!!! I know he was a member of that chamber, but does that loyalty have to come on the back of true health care reform??
Knowxville, you’re correct. The public option and the health care bill as a whole are both very popular. The variant factor is how the poll question is worded and how well the respondent is educated on the issue.
Y’know, if Rahm Emanuel were really the super-smart, savvy deal-maker he pretends to be, he would have longs since called up Senator Lindsey Graham on these health-care related filibusters and said “Hey Lindsey, if you want any cooperation on Guantanamo or imprisoning terrorists, y’all better start giving us some cooperation on what we Democrats want!”
Seen it mentioned a couple of times here, so thought I’d better point this out.
THE LANGUAGE THAT “ENDS” THE PRE-EXISTING CONDITION EXCLUSION HAS A LOOPHOLE THAT MAKES IT NO DIFFERENT THAN TODAY!!!
Folks better realize that the Senate bill has a “fraud” loophole in it that the insurance companies can use to still deny you coverage for pre-existing conditions. (At least it had that language the last time I checked, if I’m wrong I wish someone would correct me)
This “fraud” loophole is EXACTLY what they use today to get out of paying for pre-existing conditions. The “fraud” is when you fill out the application for the policy, if you don’t list something from your past, they claim fraud and refuse to pay. In the past even someone not listing simple acne as a teenager has been used as an excuse to claim fraud, and thus NOT pay for health care.
And if I’m reading this post right, it said Obama would SIGN the Senate bill BEFORE the sidecar process even started. Anyone falling for this stunt needs to be held ACCOUNTABLE. Talking to you, House Democrats. Vote for this POS bill at your own risk.
Exactly right.
Which explains Obama’s pointless overture to the right which he believes makes him look conciliatory and reasonable in the eyes of the electorate. And also explains the vacuous recalcitrance of the right who are getting what they want from obama’s HCR but whose aim is just to make him fail.
Left excluded from this scenario, of course is the health and economic wellbeing of the country.
This Obama bill should be defeated by the House if no public plan option is included for reconciliation and the left should begin a vigorous campaign against Obama. He has declared his opposition to the left that much is clear.
I just cannot understand the thinking in the White House.
They have tried to make enriching zillionaires by hurting the general public popular with the general public. They have failed.
They have tried to organize political cover for their Party minions, so that the latter will do the enriching and hurting regardless of popularity. They have failed.
So now they are going back and starting over, trying to make the unpopular popular? Do they think that they will just wear down the electorate and the Party base enough that we will just give in and like what we are told to like? How many cycles is it supposed to take?
The only people still talking about the vaunted public option are a few hapless bloggers who were so certain that the public option only, no discussion of expanding our existing public option (MEDICARE), was the way to go. Anyone who still thinks for even a millisecond that any bill that this President may sign into law will include any kind of new public health insurance is smoking some pretty strong crap. There is no public option. Obama took every conceivable position on the public option. He worked alot harded on winning Susan Collins and Olympia Snowes votes(which he lost) than he ever did trying to pass any so-called public option. The PO is dead. So when you read a post like this about Obama wanting a vote on health care, willing to go reconcilliation because of those nasty Republicans, people should not lamely read into that then it will include a public option. That is not on the table. The PO is as dead as Medicare for All. Obama and the Democrats are in face saving mode. They need to pass something. I frankly, want no part of it.
In other words, the PO takes money away from the moneyed class.
Very true. That’s why there will never be a “PO”. Not until after the revolution. There is a remote possibility that the Corporate Democrats will prove to stupid to deliver the promised mandates to our Corporate Masters. Let us hope and pray for Obama’s failure in this regard. When we are forced by the government (I didn’t day “our” government) to turn over our pay checks to a private, unregulated monopoly, we will be serfs indeed.
EXACTLY!!
If anyone believes the Senate Bill, as written, isn’t the bill the Democrats want, then they just haven’t paid attention.
The law of the land will be the Senate Bill, with no (or just transparent) “fixes.” That’s it.
I just hope and pray the good folks here and all progressives help make sure the Democrats pay for passing this POS. I know I’m going to everything I can. I’m not suggesting vote Republican, but I am suggesting DON’T VOTE FOR THE DEMOCRAT IF S/He votes for this bill. Someone on these intertubes should start a campaign now to get agreements on a write-in name in those Districts and states.
Please, if you go ahead and reward the Democrats with your vote after they make this POS law, then please don’t come back bitching about anything those same Democrats do next year and the year after. Doing the same thing over (voting for these Dems) and expecting a different result is… well you know.. insane.
Per the NYT:
Do these Republicans have no sense of decency left? Or shame?
The PO helps transfer risk from the Insurance industry to the taxpayers, that’s about it. We are being treated to a dog and pony show by a party whose first principles have been deposited in the dust bin.
To be a useful Democrat it is imperative that one criticize, even denounce the Democrat’s perversions of their party platform whenever that occurs. Socialized Capitalism is not conducive to a democracy yet that is what Obama and the Dems are being rightfully accused of championing, by both the left and the right. Centrism is economic apartheid in progress – it should be vehemently resisted!
http://www.salon.com/news/healthcare_reform/index.html?story=/politics/war_room/2010/03/03/grijalva
I simply can’t believe that the progressive House Democrats would vote for a Senate bill without a public option…especially without knowing for certain what, if any, changes will be made to the bill in the reconciliation venue.
No one seems to know for sure what can survive the “Byrd rule” and it’s parliamentary procedural hurdles. Would they actually vote to allow the Senate bill to become the law of the land without a public option, or any real guarantee of substantial modification? Chairman of the Budget Committee Kent Conrad sure isn’t offering much in the way of encouragement.
If Speaker Pelosi can persuade them to do that…she can persuade them to do anything.
Insurance companies reached a tipping point and hence we are getting a bill being touted as reform but is actually a huge scam because of individual mandates in my opinion.
If insurance companies increase premiums now they will actually get less revenues because of the huge middle class which cannot afford it anymore. Hence they want to impose mandates on those left behind. Then they can go their merry way for couple of decades increasing premiums with no care in the world knowing that they can get almost everybody in the country to pay them a portion of their pay check through mandates, till the whole economy collapes due to our industry becoming uncompetative in world economy, huge social issues with families unable to take care of their personal responsibilites and the whole middle class reduced to poverty.
Only pesky problem for insurance companies to remove is the promised Public Option to get bill moving house progressives which proved to have huge staying power because it really achieves the medical reform. I really hope house progressives see through this and not pass anything till public option is present in the bill. If they wait a little longer and these companies continue this premium increase we will get simple single payer for sure like most of the world already has.
Well, reading all your comments, I don’t really understand. Do you think the current bill(s) are better than nothing or not? If not, why aren’t you leaning on the progressive caucus not to vote for it? How can Nancy Pelosi pass this if her base is screaming not to? Seems like you and the Republican party agree on this one: Start Over.
The PO takes MONEY away from WellPoint, et al. I do not favor the PO. I favor the absolute destruction of the health insurance companies.
There is no such thing as a useful partisan, Democrat or Republican. I am in sympathy with certain elements of the party but I am not a Democrat.
I totally agree that centrism = economic apartheid.
I agree with what you say.
First, no one in their right mind believes that if the House passed the Senate bill and the Senate did NOT pass the “fixes” that Obama would not sign the Senate bill. Does anyone think he would be one stroke of a pen away from having some “legacy” and NOT do it simply because he said he wouldn’t? Do you think he would say, “Oh, well the Senate didn’t pass the fixes so I won’t sign it and I’ll let it just fade away.”?
Nope.
Reconciliation might be OK for something this big if the public polling showed that the public was in favor of the bill like 65 to 35 or something like that. You could easy make the case that you’ve got to do it to implement overwhelming demand.
But the fact is, THIS bill in not favored at all by the public. And by big margins. PARTS or aspects of the bill might have favor in polling, but the overall bill itself does not have support.
Strong-arming a popular measure through the rules would be courageous. Strong arming an unpopular measure through the rules would be stupid and suicidal.
By no measure is the Senate bill popular, even with some fixes.
As we all know, in nearly every case the GOP put through a significant measure by reconciliation, it didn’t need it. Welfare reform, etc., etc. all had over 70 Senate votes when passed through reconciliation. IN one case, 80 votes.
Obama is blinded by wanting to go down in history. Whether for good or for bad.
Very well said!
If we had a healthcare sector which worked properly, kept prices down through normal market competition and provided excellent care then I too would be against all these ham-handed regulations and a PO. But, the market DOESN’T work properly and it’s soaring prices are going to bankrupt us all…Republicans too if we don’t fix it like neutering a bad bad dog.
Save yourself now or bear the pain of bankruptcy while the doctors and hospitals get bigger houses, cars and bank accounts.
You choose.
That’s pretty cheap if the cost of another al Qaeda attack were to be as destructive as 9/11. How much did that one cost us?
In Obama’s and most of lawmaker’s and policy maker’s minds the calculus that drives their dicision making is roughly that corporate generated investment wealth is to be protected. That is the source of wealth that decision makers tap into. Their economic well being depends on their protecting this source of wealth.
So it is naive to think that those in government will place the public’s interest, whose role after all is to feed the corporate wealth making trough, ahead of their own. When calculating the allotment of benefits that flow from the government’s decision making the corporate investment wealth making structure has just as much right to be served as the public, in their eyes.
Seen in this way Obama is doing exactly what is to be expected. He too believes that the system as it exists should remain in place.
“Are Democrats sellouts? Are they stupid? Combination of both?”
Yes.
They are also con men. If the House votes to pass the Senate Bill, that will be the end of it. There will be no reconciliation bill. Bet your house on it.
Mainly they’re sell-outs who think the voters are stupied. They also know that corporate media will do the best they can to keep us uninformed, which is the next best thing to stupid.