Since we’re getting down to the wire on the health care bill, I’m going to start pushing leaners more forcefully. So here’s where I’m at. A reminder that these are educated guesses, not rote affirmations of public statements. I’m trying to back up the statements with other corroborating information.
The last whip count showed 191 yes, 203 no, with a lot of leaners. I’m going to push a couple of those into the Yes category:
• Scott Murphy. He sounded like a Yes over the weekend, and that came on the heels of a one-on-one meeting with the President, where he cited certain elements he wanted to get him on the bill. In addition, there’s the pressure from the Working Families Party and other advocacy groups in New York. Finally, you have the NRCC no longer targeting his vote. That gets me to yes.
• Jason Altmire. The former hospital executive has gotten more face time by being publicly on the fence than practically anyone in the House. He’s played Hamlet in front of the media, unable to make a decision. But there seemed to be a come-to-Jesus moment recently, when he realized that the Tea Party activists pushing against him on the bill will never become his ally:
But the conversation ran aground when he asked a fundamental question: Shouldn’t the government help low-income people afford basic health insurance?
“No!” most of the visitors shouted.
“Some of you are never going to agree with me,” Altmire said.
That recognition gets me to put him in the Yes camp. The NRCC has also stopped targeting Altmire.
• Other Democrats in the Clyburn crosshairs, targeted to be No-Yes flippers, are not quite there. John Boccieri, a potential swing vote, will skip the President’s health care rally in his home state today, preferring to attend an infrastructure project announcement in his district. We’ll keep him as a lean Yes.
• The NRCC lists some other Democrats on the fence as Yes votes, so you have to at least lean them in that direction. Among them: Baron Hill, Suzanne Kosmas, Allan Mollohan and Bill Owens. They also have Luis Gutierrez and Mike Arcuri as firm No votes, which I’m still not buying (though I’ll make Arcuri a lean No). They have Rick Boucher as a firm No, and I had him as lean No, so I’ll tip him in that direction.
• On the flip side, here’s a NY Times graphic of the seats that Democrats will target this week, and some of them are members I thought were already nailed down. To wit: Dina Titus (D-NV), Betty Sutton (D-OH) and Bob Etheridge (D-NC). I think you have to take them off the board if Democrats are pouring money in there, though I believe all three will get on the bill at the end. We’ll make them lean Yes. Mike McIntyre (D-NC) is also on that list, but I have him as a firm No and I’ve seen nothing to indicate that has changed.
• Steve Driehaus has flipped back into the Stupak bloc, after appearing to flip out of it. He told the Cincinnati Enquirer that he would not budge on the issue of federal funding for abortion. “They are going to have to do it without me and without the other pro-life Democrats,” he said.
Where does that leave us? Make Murphy and Altmire Yes votes. Make Dreihaus and Boucher No votes. Add Titus, Sutton and Etheridge to the undecided category. That puts you at 190 Yes, 205 No. However, we now have 12 lean Yes votes, with only 2 lean No votes. If you push leaners, you’re at 202-207.
Details on the flip. We’re rolling out a graphic, should be ready later today.
Definite YES:
190 Democrats.
Definite NO:
178 Republicans, including Joseph Cao (R-LA), who voted Yes in November. He’s in the Stupak bloc.
Definite NO:
27 Democrats.
21 Democrats who voted No in November:
Bobby Bright, Mike McIntyre, Stephanie Herseth Sandlin, Walt Minnick, Artur Davis, Chet Edwards, Frank Kratovil, Mike Ross, Dan Boren, Gene Taylor, Larry Kissell, Dennis Kucinich, Collin Peterson, Ike Skelton, Jim Marshall, Mike McMahon, Charlie Melancon, Tim Holden, Ben Chandler, Health Shuler, Boucher.
6 Democrats who voted Yes in November (confirmed Stupak bloc):
Bart Stupak, Marion Berry, Dan Lipinski, Kathy Dahlkemper, Joe Donnelly, Steve Driehaus.
14 potential Democratic No-Yes flip votes:
5 lean Yes:
Bart Gordon, Brian Baird, John Boccieri (Clyburn Three), Suzanne Kosmas, Betsy Markey
8 undecided:
Glenn Nye, John Tanner, John Adler, Lincoln Davis, Jim Matheson, Harry Teague, Travis Childers, John Barrow.
1 lean No:
Allen Boyd.
22 potential Yes-No flip votes:
4 additional Stupak bloc (Stupak-curious):
Brad Ellsworth, Marcy Kaptur, Jerry Costello, Henry Cuellar.
7 lean Yes:
Paul Kanjorski, Dina Titus, Betty Sutton, Bob Etheridge, Baron Hill, Allan Mollohan, Bill Owens.
10 other wary Democrats:
Zack Space, Chris Carney, Mike Doyle, Ann Kirkpatrick, Nick Rahall, Dan Maffei, Solomon Ortiz, Gabrielle Giffords, Earl Pomeroy, Tim Bishop.
1 lean No:
Mike Arcuri.
Democrats need 26 of a combination of the 14 potential No-Yes flip votes and the 22 potential Yes-No flip votes. So they need 26 out of the remaining uncommitted 36. If you’re counting leaners, Democrats need 14 of the last 22 uncommitted.
| Monday, 3/15/2010 | Voted | Retiring | Stupak | PVI | No | Leaning No | Unknown | Leaning Yes | Yes | ||
| Aye | Nay | ||||||||||
| Definite No (25): | |||||||||||
| 1 | Boren, Dan | X | R+14 | 1 | |||||||
| 2 | Boucher, Rick | X | R+11 | 1 | |||||||
| 3 | Bright, Bobby | X | R+16 | 1 | |||||||
| 4 | Chandler, Ben | X | R+9 | 1 | |||||||
| 5 | Davis, Artur | X | D+18 | 1 | |||||||
| 6 | Edwards, Chet | X | R+20 | 1 | |||||||
| 7 | Herseth-Sandlin, Stephanie | X | R+9 | 1 | |||||||
| 8 | Holden, Tim | X | R+6 | 1 | |||||||
| 9 | Kucinich, Dennis | X | D+8 | 1 | |||||||
| 10 | Kissell, Larry | X | R+2 | 1 | |||||||
| 11 | Kratovil, Frank | X | R+13 | 1 | |||||||
| 12 | Marshall, Jim | X | R+10 | 1 | |||||||
| 13 | McMahon, Michael | X | R+4 | 1 | |||||||
| 14 | Melancon, Charlie | X | R | R+12 | 1 | ||||||
| 15 | Minnick, Walt | X | R+18 | 1 | |||||||
| 16 | McIntyre, Mike | X | R+3 | 1 | |||||||
| 17 | Peterson, Collin | X | R+6 | 1 | |||||||
| 18 | Ross, Mike | X | R+7 | 1 | |||||||
| 19 | Shuler, Heath | X | R+6 | 1 | |||||||
| 20 | Skelton, Ike | X | R+14 | 1 | |||||||
| 21 | Taylor, Gene | X | R+20 | 1 | |||||||
| 22 | Berry, Marion | X | S | R+8 | 1 | ||||||
| 23 | Dahlkemper, Kathy | X | S | R+3 | 1 | ||||||
| 24 | Donnelly, Joe | X | S | R+4 | 1 | ||||||
| 25 | Driehaus, Steve | X | S | D+1 | 1 | ||||||
| 26 | Lipinski, Dan | X | S | D+11 | 1 | ||||||
| 27 | Stupak, Bart | X | S | R+3 | 1 | ||||||
| Potential No-Yes Flips (14): | |||||||||||
| 1 | Baird, Brian | X | R | D+0 | 1 | ||||||
| 2 | Boccieri, John | X | R+4 |
1 |
|||||||
| 3 | Gordon, Bart | X | R | R+13 | 1 | ||||||
| 4 | Markey, Betsy | X | R+9 | 1 | |||||||
| 5 | Adler, John | X | R+1 | 1 | |||||||
| 6 | Davis, Lincoln | X | R+14 | 1 | |||||||
| 7 | Kosmas, Suzanne | X | R+4 | 1 | |||||||
| 8 | Matheson, Jim | X | R+15 | 1 | |||||||
| 9 | Nye, Glenn | X | R+6 | 1 | |||||||
| 10 | Tanner, John | X | R | R+6 | 1 | ||||||
| 11 | Teague, Harry | X | R+6 | 1 | |||||||
| 12 | Barrow, John | X | D+2 | 1 | |||||||
| 13 | Boyd, Allen | X | R+6 |
1 |
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| 14 | Childers, Travis | X | R+14 | 1 | |||||||
| Potential Yes-No Flips (22): | |||||||||||
| 1 | Costello, Jerry | X | S | D+3 | 1 | ||||||
| 2 | Cuellar, Henry | X | S | D+0 | 1 | ||||||
| 3 | Ellsworth, Brad | X | S | R+9 | 1 | ||||||
| 4 | Ethridge, Bob | X | S | R+9 | 1 | ||||||
| 5 | Kaptur, Marcy | X | S | D+10 | 1 | ||||||
| 6 | Arcuri, Mike | X | R+1 | 1 | |||||||
| 7 | Bishop, Tim | X | D+0 | 1 | |||||||
| 8 | Carney, Chris | X | R+8 | 1 | |||||||
| 9 | Doyle, Mike | X | D+19 | 1 | |||||||
| 10 | Giffords, Gabrielle | X | R+4 | 1 | |||||||
| 11 | Hill, Baron | X | R+6 | 1 | |||||||
| 12 | Kanjorski, Paul | X | D+4 | 1 | |||||||
| 13 | Kirkpatrick, Ann | X | R+6 | 1 | |||||||
| 14 | Maffei, Dan | X | D+3 | 1 | |||||||
| 15 | McNerney, Jerry | X | R+1 | 1 | |||||||
| 16 | Mollohan, Alan | X | R+9 | 1 | |||||||
| 17 | Ortiz, Solomon | X | R+2 | 1 | |||||||
| 18 | Owens, Bill | X | R+1 | 1 | |||||||
| 19 | Pomeroy, Earl | X | R+10 | 1 | |||||||
| 20 | Space, Zack | X | R+7 | 1 | |||||||
| 21 | Sutton, Betty | X | D+5 | 1 | |||||||
| 22 | Titus, Dina | X | D+2 | 1 | |||||||
| Committed Votes | |||||||||||
| Democratic | 190 | ||||||||||
| Republican | 178 | ||||||||||
| TOTAL | 205 | 2 | 22 | 12 | 190 | ||||||
Previous Whip Counts:
| Sunday, March 14 | 203 | 2 | 28 | 7 | 191 | ||||||
| Friday, March 12 | 191 | 202 | |||||||||
| Thursday, March 11 | 189 | 202 | |||||||||
| Wednesday, March 10 | 191 | 195 | |||||||||
| Tuesday, March 9 | 192 | 194 | |||||||||




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Die Bill! Die! Die! Die!
(Thanks for the effort on these counts David Dayen)
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undecidedinsufficiently bribed:Fixed it.
The fact that the WH is still targeting Kucinich leads me to believe this isn’t a done deal yet despite all the bandwagon rah-rah the leadership is orchestrating.
The success of this legislation would entrench the DLC corporatism that pervades DC right now. If you think the level of corporate toadyism is bad now, just wait until the health insurance companies get hold of that massive revenue stream. Their lobbyists will drill so many holes in this legislation over the coming years that any good parts will be eliminated and the penalties for not obeying the mandate will escalate into prison time – don’t want to pay for your junk insurance, go to prison.
This is a disaster in the making and the Democrats will own it. No more Dem majorities or Presidents for the forseeable future. And all to give Obama a political “win”.
Kill the bill.
What sort of public posture are we seeing out of Pelosi right now? “Done deal, no problem,” or “We have a few details to iron out?”
Definitely done deal, no problem.
The incredible shrinking whip count.
Definite NO:
Larry Kissell.
He’s running a TV add in the Charlotte market that says Democrats are trying to ram this down our throat.
ex-kos-member: Welcome back to the land of the living. I hope your journey through the underworld was brief and that the various demons, undead, and apparitions only tormented you a bit, instead of leaving you scarred forever.
The best government money can buy! The dollar sure has lost an awful lot of value since 1913 hasn’t it?
Corporate greed has Reid, Pelosi and Obama all paid off and all sold out. This health care deform bill is nothing but a fancily wrapped gift to greedy private insurance corporations. Millions for Medicare for all, but not one dollar of public tax funds as tribute to these greedy corporations. Just say no to corporatism at home and imperialism abroad.
I just got off the phone with Lloyd Doggett’s office (D-TX) in Austin, Texas. He is one of the 60 congressmen who signed the Sebalius (sp?) letter vowing not to support a health bill w/o a public option. His office said that the Congressman has not come to a decision on this legislation yet because the final version is still being drafted. The staff person I spoke with did not know if the Congressman was going to stick with his original pledge not to support a bill without a P.O.
Note: I only spoke w/ the local office. Tomorrow I’ll call his Washington office and see if there’s more.
One Big problem! This is not a Democratic Bill.
This bill is the product of people who talk like progressives “OBAMA & MAX BAUCUS” and govern like Right Wing Republicans “Obama and Max Baucus”
what is Progressive about the comments below:
Drug Importation Obama is against this
Public Option Obama is against this
Individual Mandate Obama is for this
Weakening Roe vs Wade Obama is for this
Excise Tax on Unions Obama is for this
etc. etc.
Again there is nothing Progressive about this Bill, and it is not going to take people long to see that this is an Insurance Bailout Plan
What we must understand NAFTA would have never pass in this new political world.
All politicians are selfish, and they all have their own agendas, they all want the money train to continue, if they think this Health Care scam by Obama is going to end their money train come to an end, they will leave Obama out to dry.
Would someone like to speculate what Obama will do if the health care bill is defeated? What then?
Change the subject, fast.
Seems to me that if they are within striking distance, they will be able to twist enough arms to get a yes.
Just wish they could find a way to provide a bill that people wanted and didn’t contain the seeds of its own destruction…
So, in the end, Nancy Pelosi holds the potato for not including the PO (in whatever bastardized form)…Good to know.
Nancy (aka the PO killer) Pelosi.
Cut and loot social security.
David, thank you for these counts. You are doing good work! I’ve seen it complimented by Sargent at The Plum Line, in case you didn’t know about it.
virtual cocktail of your choice on me!
nah, don’t want to spook the chance of that happening, – should that be the case though, all color will leave his face and he’ll be able to declare himself Republican without any racial blowback.
As one of Mr. Doggett’s constituents, I hope to God he DOES NOT support this bill. I am very much a left leaning Democrat, but Obama, this Congress and the insurance companies have set us up for failure and I refuse to stand by idly and watch my representatives support this horrible bill.
Listen to the crowd Obama, when you bring up single payer or public option, you hear those cheers? That is what people want, not mandates to be forced to give the health insurance companies business. Sure, they can’t deny people based on pre-existing conditions, but they can jack your rates, just like your buddies in the credit card industry and put it out of reach. What a wonderful system, NOT!
I think everyone who supports this bill is a fool. How can the government mandate that we have to buy into private insurance? In the case of car, makes perfect sense, I don’t HAVE to have a car, but I can’t give up myself and to be penalized because I choose not to buy into their welfare system for the health insurance companies is trash, plain and simple. Expect an immediate Supreme Court challenge to this system, imagine all the years spent on this will be for nothing.
What a crowning accomplishment for such a flawed to the core administration.
I would strongly suspect Betsy Markey is a yes. She had a hard time explaining why she voted against the bill the first time. I think it was because Pelosi didn’t need her vote.
David…Please keep your chart handy for quick refernece after the House vote.
We’ll need it come November to “Pin the Tail on the Pee-Pants Donkeys and Cheap-Assed Blue Dogs” who let it fail.