In a completely obvious maneuver, the Senate parliamentarian has kicked out the Health Insurance Rate Authority from the reconciliation set of fixes. The national rate reviewer would have had the ability to cancel premium increases across the country, in association with state regulators. But it has no primary budgetary impact, so out it goes.
“I’m crushed it’s out,” she said. But she added that she would bring it up with him one more time to try to make the case that it would be a legitimate use of reconciliation. “I’m going to make one last effort with the parliamentarian,” she said.
It’ll be a difficult effort. Reconciliation rules require that legislation must have a direct and substantial effect on the budget to qualify for the majority-vote procedure. Merely an incidental budget effect is not enough. Feinstein’s rate authority would save the government money by reducing private insurance premiums, which would then reduce the amount of subsidies needed — but such an effect is apparently too indirect for the parliamentarian to give it the thumbs-up.
I’ll remind everyone that this was basically the major carrot inside reconciliation, the one new thing that most people agreed would improve the bill significantly.
This was obvious from the moment it showed up in the President’s reconciliation proposal. I wrote the day it was released:
But there are a couple pieces of the proposal that could not really pass through reconciliation. The new federal rate reviewer, for example. I see no way that has a budget number attached to it, meaning it would be subject to a Byrd rule challenge. But this may be just what the White House WANTS. When I asked Pfeiffer about it, he said that they took the limitations of reconciliation into account, and that ultimately, what passes muster is up to the Senate parliamentarian. But there could be a vote to waive the parliamentarian’s decision, one that would require 60 votes. At that point, Republicans would have to make the choice to vote down a federal regulator devoted to making sure customers across the country don’t get gouged on their health insurance premiums. That’s smart politics, and I could see why they’d welcome such a vote.
Of course, because that would be smart, they’re just taking it out of the bill altogether and saving themselves the trouble.
Perhaps you’ll see a standalone bill on the rate review board in the future; it would mirror the vote in the House to repeal the insurance industry’s anti-trust exemption. You’ll notice that hasn’t moved in the Senate yet.



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Wow, what a shock: a potentially effective proposal floated and then killed just as quickly? After I saw the Medicare buy-in reversal I stopped believing in the fairy tale that they really want to do the right thing for Americans.
I don’t get it, though: are they just hoping to win a news cycle or two by proposing something like rate control authority knowing it’ll never be in the bill? I guess it’s working with the Democratic base, judging from the poll numbers. I don’t think these stunts will work with independents, though.
Not done crapping up the bill yet – what’s next and how much crappier can it get?
I think this highlights part of the larger problem with passing a marginal HCR bill: once it’s done, does anyone REALLY think the House or Senate will revisit reform?
Especially if they wait until the inevitable losses in November (inevitably made worse due to bad HCR reform), Democrat politicians will run from further reform like squealing pigs.
It’s now just a free-for-all crime fest. For the well-connected of course. Don’t any of you little people get the idea you can do the same. Little people are the playthings of the plutocrats now. And it’s all completely legal. This is it. This is the endgame. The talentless, oligarch, criminals know no other way to make money except for the tried and tested method of taking it out of other peoples’ pockets under pain of something nasty. Robber barons. They wouldn’t even dare to try this in Russia, once considered the land of the oligarch. Well, you’e taken their title now, for sure.
Anything that benefits consumers and cuts revenue to Pharma, AHIP & Medical Providers will not survive.
Sadly, my view of the process is just as cynical. Experience has taught me it’s a good rule of thumb.
Anyone know a better political party to join?
Ooh, can I play Senate parliamentarian?
I decide that anything that subsidizes private corporations is not “budgetary” in nature.
What, there’s no bill left? What a shame…
Green
The President of the Senate (currently Vice President Joe Biden) can overrule the Parliamentarian at any time. And, if we are still in to following the Constitution any more, all of this can be done with 50 votes plus the VP. That’t it. So if they want to do it they will.
By the way, to goto100 @4, Russia does have national health insurance for its citizens, though God help you if you end up in a hospital there without private money to “supplement” your care. I’ve had more encounters with that system that I would have liked.
It gets old being right after a while, but here you are again!
“The national rate reviewer would have had the ability to cancel premium increases across the country, in association with state regulators. But it has no primary budgetary impact, so out it goes.”; gee, I wonder what the HCAN people will say now that the Insurance companies will be able to just raise premiums as they see fit?
There is a saying “If You Haven’t Got the Time to Do It Right, When Will You Find the Time to Do It” ; it’s a mantra for manufacturing processes in this country. Too bad such doesn’t extend to politics.
Jane,
Are you sure you’re not going to have a private meeting with the president and come back changed? Singing the praises of this bill?
With a bit of a goofy smile on your face and a fresh incision mark at the base of the skull?
And people HATE IT when you’re right most of the time too!
“we are still in to following the Constitution any more” they’re not. example is here.
House Democrats need to realize that there are no guarantees in the Senate reconciliation process. If they vote for the Senate bill, there’s a real good chance that that’s exactly what they’ll end up with…the Senate bill.
My God…how do you get through to these people?
I think the old McGuyver line applies here: “I hate it when I’m right.”
well I predicted this after the first 10 minutes. Of course what took so long for them to tell us it would not happen?
Mother of God. It doesn’t stop.
If her eyes start glowing, I’m outta here.
After the last few bait-and-switches, it shouldn’t come as a shock. That much is for sure. I hadn’t been paying much attention to this one, so the only reason I can say I was surprised was that I wasn’t looking.
Maybe that’s why all those other folks are so surprised?
Maybe they can just say they voted on it or Obama can “deem” it passed. Or pass a new rule that they “imagine” it passed.
Wonder if Diane really thought this measure would survive. Or it was just more posturing. These politicians are all actors.
One thing about being right that they can never take away from you Jane, and that’s the fact of being right.
I join all the others here in appreciating and applauding all the good work and telling-it-like-it-is that you do here. Just wish there were more of you out there in the world, and esp. in the power. (Looks like that’s a little too much to hope for, but it still has some fantasy value.)
I joke, but I’ve never seen so many activists who simply don’t say what they mean or mean what they say on this bill. The politicians are one thing: of course they’re untrustworthy.
But the Veal Pen has really corralled everyone for the final march into the slaughter truck.
I do hope that Jane doesn’t see the (blinding) light on this, because then I’d have nowhere left to go. There’s a definite shortage of opposition progressives. Heck, the Tea Party is looking appealing at this point, if only because I think they honestly believe the half-crazy things they’re saying.
Of course you were right, Jane. Those of us who have been reading here for quite a long time knew that you were right because the dots were out in the open waiting to be connected. You are reviled by the “leftists” in the veal pen because you were right and are right and continue to stand your ground, which makes YOU the burr under the saddle. There are no checks on the insurers’s raising their rates. As I have said, there is no way for us to fix the national debt now except by accounting trickery.
The process of Senate parliamentarianism seems to more closely resemble religion than classical physics. If my perception is accurate, it’s possible that she was surprised.
My God…how do you get through to these people?
coupla hundred thou might buy you 20 minutes or so….
Keng, you’ve missed the point of my comment. What the Russian government wouldn’t dare try is to rob their little people at the point of a gun and hand over their cash to private companies. I’ve been to Russia too. Their healthcare system is rudimentary, but at least it exists for everyone. No one, to my knowledge, ever went bankrupt due to medical expenses there. And no one will be facing fines for not handing over premiums to private health insurance companies. Fines imposed by the tax authority at that. No, the Russian government and their oligarchs would never, ever dare try something as audacious as their US cousins are right now.
In this case, however, they have had PLENTY of TIME to do it right. They have just never had the DESIRE to do it right.
The only argument that I have with what you wrote is this:
On something that’s this important to so many of us, I expect politicians to mean what they say, and to choose their words carefully. Those who didn’t, IMHO, are liars. That includes any congresspeople who signed the public option letter and vote for the bill now before the House.
This isn’t changing your mind about something because the situation changed. Nothing has changed materially about the country’s situation in the last few months, and nothing has changed about this bill for the better. They promised to stand on a principle to their supporters and their constituents, and then they reneged. I don’t care why.
“I’m crushed it’s out.”
That ranks right up there with “I feel your pain” and “Who could have predicted?”
OT: Love your Internet handle. Were you a FORTRAN programmer?
They always make sure there’s a convenient villain to blame each time a progressive idea gets killed. The Democrats are so arrogant about it, they’re not even bothering with the symbolic vote – all the establishment liberals have capitulated, so there’s no point taking even a symbolic vote, it was all empty posturing anyway.
Bill Moyers nailed it last summer, when he was on Bill Maher’s show:
You. Have. To. Be. Fucking. Kidding. Me.
That was pretty much the only leg Jason had to stand on last we discussed this monstrosity. I expressed my doubts in its ultimate efficacy, but without being in there at all; I’m 100% sure it won’t work.
:-)
I’m having a really, really hard time understanding how supporting this bill is anything other than completely fucking retarded (I can still say that, I have a section 504 disability).
I cannot believe they are finagling this process with all this *magic* about *deemed* passed and such. I heard on CNN this afternoon that the WH is already scheduling the SIGNING of the Senate Bill and Obama’s departure for Asia … he won’t {cough, cough} be scheduling a signing of the reconcilation bill until he returns from Asia.
Are you kidding me? Anyone in the House who is counting on the WH word on signing the reconciliation bill is out of their mind.
OR … playing along.
This is the biggest fucking kabuki show EVAH!!!!!!!!!
Everything these dims are doing is just racking up more talking points for the republics. For a *win.* For the preznit. For the king must have his win.
It’s completely disgusting.
They are all out of their minds. Because of Citizens United not even the allegiance of their protected donors will help them come campaign season. They will NEVER have enough money EVER again. They do not realize how screwed they are. It is to laugh, if it weren’t so deadly serious.
Wait until the people who are *for* this POS and have NO idea what is really in it realize what mandates, fines, co-pays, inadequate subsidies, and delayed implementation means to each and every one of them. Just wait.
Just fucking wait!
HCAN and all the other establishment liberals will say it’s a step in the right direction and we’ll tinker with it later. If the Democrats passed a bill that dumped arsenic in the water supply and required people to eat lead paint, establishment liberals would line up like sheep and say it was a step in the right direction and we’ll tinker with it later.
There is no controversy to this- Reconciliation Rules, which the parliamentarian enforces, must be followed. Yes, this would improve the bill. Well, then pass another bill with this measure. Oh, that’s right- it can’t be done because it would require 60 votes and take 14 years. It all boils down to not having the votes, which boils down to the people in the Senate, and the House. To find the blame for that, please look in the mirror. Thankyou.
hi pups. OT and breaking:
Wachovia enters into deferred prosecution agreement
Something about willfully ignoring the possibility of laundering drug money through CDC’s.
504 good. 5150 bad.
Bookmark all the stories about how passing healthcare for all Americans, will hurt Democrats in the fall.
Nonsense. Majorities know well that the health system is badly broken, tens of millions are 1 illness away from financial ruin, and the GOP has chosen the interests of insurers over actual relief for working Americans. Those are all facts. Not hard to run on.
After Media Inc. had HCR killed by one fluke election in MA, this bill came back because Progressives made it clear to sitting Dems that failure was not an option.
Dems were facing an exodus of the base in the fall, if they caved on this direly needed social progress. That is exactly how Gingrich took over the House in 1994. 38% turnout that year, with angry Progressives saying home after Dems caved into insurance industry scare tactics in Clinton’s reform bill.
- Balkingpoints / www
Write your worst nightmare and the bill that becomes law will be a lot worse.
Bwahhahahaha.
Hope you are gainfully employed with an employer who doesn’t require copays on your med insurance, and that you earn above $200,000/year. Cause otherwise you are bankrupt under this bill if you should be unfortunate to become ill.
I think the first sign of trouble was the nomination of Tom Daschle for SecHHS. The fact that it was his income tax problems, and not his lobbying for the very interests he’d be regulating that was the issue among the DC establishment should have been the first indication of just how little interest there was in real health care reform. It certainly was a red flag for me.
By early summer, I’d figured out the broad outlines of how this was likely to go, and I didn’t know any of the stuff Bill Moyers mentioned in that quote.
Actions really do speak louder than words.
After a pretty tough day…have to be honest: Your “crap” comments got me a belly laugh!! Short, sweet, to the point, too! Thanks.
Between the excise tax increase, and the elimination of the federal rate control authority, and the robbing of college students so that rich people don’t face a tax increase, it would appear that “reconciliation” is going to be used to WORSEN the bill, not improve it.
I no longer have words sufficient to describe just how dismal and dismaying the prospect of Democratic or Republican governance has become to me. There are just not sufficient terms in the English language to characterize the degree of outrage, offense, and contempt I now feel for the Democrats and the Republicans, or the level of certain hopelessness I feel with respect to the prospects for regular reform through the legislative process.
Go ahead, bookmark them. Here’s another one to add to your collection.
The swing voters in the MA Senate race overwhelmingly hated the individual mandate, and wanted the public option. Coakley’s numbers started to plummet the week after the Senate bill was passed. That they continued to fall probably had a lot to do with her inability to run her campaign, but the Senate bill was the driver.
We’ll talk again in November, I’m sure.
So why no vote to waive the Byrd rule? If the Democrats want more Democratic Senators, they should make Republicans take tough votes. Then, Republicans will be on defense come election time.
Also, when the Republicans didn’t agree with the parliamentarian’s rulings, they simply fired the parliamentarian.
Wrong lesson. Different century. That’s the hell of it ~ a simplistic reading of 1994 (anything else is beyond Rahm’s IQ) makes it appear they have to pass anything. So they pass shit and think it will work. What if they had passed shit in 1994????? What would have happened???
We will be finding out if they pass this shit. It could be WORSE than doing nothing.
And it will never be *fixed* later. ANYONE who says that is a political naif ~ a babe who knows no history nor anything about the epic level of lying to which our politics have devolved. It’s not physically possible to fix it later (votes, will, talking points, Reid, Lieberman, etc.) EVEN IF THEY WANTED to and they DO NOT WANT TO FIX IT LATER. They will not touch it again, lest they get into the *fix* they are in now. NONE of them has the balls.
But I bet the Parliamentarian will keep the probibition against abortion services. Yeah, I bet that SAVES money. I don’t even need to look it up. And I don’t care if I am wrong. They don’t care: why should I????
I guess they should be appointed for life.
Only if you are revenue affecting…..
You mean that Congress isn’t incompetent?
What made you think that every iteration was not a worsening? Plenty of evidence of that pattern.
Yeah, and what Cujo said too!!! Thank you.
Depends on how long they can screw the voters in favor of the corp campaign contributors. Congress is reasonably effective at the latter.
And the insurance companies would call it a pre-existing condition, drop you from your health plan, you’d be unable to buy health insurance from the other provider in your state, and then the IRS would fine you.
Citizens United is going to make for total chaos. These elected people are playing by what are the *old* rules now. They have mastered the rules but these are the old rules now and they will find themselves in a totally new game in this new campaign season. They have no clue. They think they understand the bargain they must make with the devil. Kucinich thinks he understands and has made the choice he must make to keep his voice. He is so wrong it’s not funny. They have no fucking clue. If they had a fucking clue they would have voted some kind of fix by everybody-0 the very next day. They think it won’t affect them much. *shakes head*
“Well hello bottle of Canadian Club Whiskey. Why no, I don’t mind drinking you.”……..been a helluva day gang. Try and take anything positive out of today and begin again tomorrow.
Jane: Here’s a toast to you! Hope it helps you as much as drinking it will help me!
I hope so, but I doubt it.
I feel sick.
(Uh-oh, bad epoch for that to happen.)
What we’re seeing all this day long is Day One of the last time our rulers are going to have to pretend to be representing us in a democracy.
Actually Carly, today what they are doing, is measuring public opinion, listening to the voter, weighing all options, and then giving you a gigantic styrofoam finger as they smile at their corporate buddies and give each other a high five.
But they worked so hard, and so long, to MAKE it shit. So it is that, but not ONLY that. Obama, like we heard, laid into Kucinich with all he had, PERSONALLY, to get support for the SHIT version, but wouldn’t even approach Lincoln in the days before the bill got this watered down and evil. They LIKE this bill. They WANT it. The things in it are MUST HAVES for these monsters. It’s more than just a shiny medal for Obama’s chest, although it is that too, in spades.
LOL. Thanks.
Oh don’t thank me! Thank the Democratic Party! Oh and you can do so by sending your donation of $5 or more and we promise to float you another stupendous political hack.
Bottom line, Obama, Rahm Emanuel, Democrats, they do this because they can. Because they are smugly sure that they’ve got your vote.
If it’s a choice between Barack Obama for President and Sarah Palin, are you going to sit it out?
If it looks like Mitch McConnell is going to be the next Senate Majority Leader or John Boehner, Speaker of the House, are you voting independent?
Writing in Bob Marley! OR…Alfred E Newman.
The second sign to me was his FISA flip during the campaign.
The first sign was his interview a few months earlier, where he said this:
“…excesses of the 60s and the 70s…”
Curses on the media for letting that go without more in-depth explanation.
Better vetting of candidates might have saved this republic.
“… are you voting independent?”
If it takes a Mitch McConnell or a Sarah Palin to disgust enough voters to elect enough progressives to actually do something worthwhile in the next cycle, then that is fine with me. The vote for me I’m not quite as bad as the other guy party certainly hasn’t accomplished much of value.
During the last election, the experts were predicting that by 2016, flaming red Texas will be a swing state. The demographics of the country are changing in ways that do not favor the old white man’s party. Progressives need to be looking 4,8, 12 years down the road if they really want to make a difference.
I’d rather be stabbed in the front than the back, but luckily we do have more than 2 choices…
What power has law where only money rules.
Gaius Petronius
Insurers will no longer be able to drop you from your insurance.
The Senate Parlimentarian Is Frumin? He Was Appointed By Trent Lott?
WTF?
And screw SciFi, she’s lying her ass off as to wanting any regulatory body in place, unless she will control it, then she’s likely all for it.
We need to watch her, she’s too old to continue, and just a TAD too young to quit politics.
She’s gonna end up somewhere and continue the war machine, to our detriment.
In times of low employment and general depression the national debt is that LAST thing anyone should be worried about. In fact, it’s a useless point to make regarding ANYTHING of value.
Dude, were all effing *#$%ards anymore, in the eyes of the system at hand.
Hoss, Citizen’s United is the final death blow to the constitution.
After that, it’s all up for sale, and we don’t have the money to spend, us vassals.
The USA as we know it from the docs of 1774-1778 or so no longer exists.
It’s all been usurped, bent, and twisted.
From here, it’s all downhill, and this system the status quo insists on imposing is about to collapse for any number of reasons including over reach of empire, over reach of military use of force, over reach of global procurements for resources, greed, stupidity and an inability to know ya gotta feed the masses if ya wanna loot the planet.
We are the USSR in it’s last vestiges before fracturing.
Crooked, corrupted and deaf to the needs of the masses.
Yer kiddin me, they do this because they thing they have our vote?
Our votes are meaningless.
The dem’s have proven that in two election cycles, ’06 and ’08.
They don’t care about our votes.
They do what they want with or without our votes.
Yer playin in the shallow pool, hoss, and drowning.
Geebuz, what, the night shift from Rahm Inc???
That’s been debugged for a year now.
They will outprice ya, if they don’t drop ya.
Please, new talking points, Rahm, it’s stale, tiresome and it smells poorly anymore.
Totally unbelieveable!
If there was another party that was not as f***ed up as ours I would switch in a heartbeat.
hillary was the only other dem with a shot, and she used to be on a walmart board, so she’s a corporate whore too
no big difference
One nice thing about a national progressive party is that Democrats couldn’t call themselves progressives any more.
Just one more indication they should have bitten the same bullet, really, and just NUKED rule XXII. That way the changes could be ANYTHING…
George Papoon.
Totally agree.
They are totally compromised people and simply dont care how this bill will destroy the social fabric of our nation, our economy in the long run by making it more un-competative, how unethical and immoral this is.
Gate crashers at the White House State Dinner inadvertently showed who the guest list at the party were. It was full of AHIP & Pharma executives. If anybody thinks they were getting investigated at the Dinner for premium increases prior year they are simply naive. They were simply plotting the strategy to get the individual mandates laden bill through congress without American public hearing about it. To request $700 billion TARP 3 page request but Why 3000 pages bill for Health Insurance Reform(Scam). Pure and intended obfuscation to the American Public.
KILL THE BILL which is scam.
I am ashamed that I voted Democratic last time.
To keep my conscience clear I am going to vote GREEN party from now on which does not take a single corporate dime and with them I know they will vote as they talk before elections.
OT
Was I? I still am one. What’s more, only the 77 variety. I should probably try using 90 for some things.
Why not have the insurance companies compete? Because insurance companies don’t want to compete. Why not some tort reform? Because the lawyers don’t want tort reform. Common sense and free, not available, because of corruption.
The time may be right for a Progressive party. Or honest people. Who to trust?
The last ones I trust? These pols who know Social Security is broke, know we are trillions in debt and look to spend more.
It is terrifying, our government is a teenager with a credit card. Our credit card. If they had managed any of it, there would be plenty of money to provide the health care help that some folks need, easily.
We are buried, we need to stop digging. The States are Broke. We are Broke. It needs to stop. The problem is not a desire to help, a desire to fix things, the problem is the huge trail of bills we are sitting on, of promises made, and not kept. Social security was sold as personal accounts, money that the trusted government would hold for folks. Never mind that, ancient history.
It is always this way with government. It is other people’s money. This is the problem. It naturally attracts thieves, who lie at every turn to get their hands on it. The faster we learn this, the faster we will get out of this mess.