Here we go. The Speaker is announcing the new health care bill.
“They say a picture is worth a thousand words, well numbers are worth a lot too.” She’s reiterating the CBO numbers. Bill will be online a little bit later today.
Two reasons to do health care reform: 1) expand coverage, 2) reduce the deficit (health care reform is entitlement reform).
Pelosi offers the mike to a doctor and small business owner, Ed Morris, to tell his personal story.
Steny Hoyer is up now, reiterates that this bill is the biggest deficit reduction bill since the 1993 Clinton budget. Responds to query of what the bill does for individuals. Health care has the highest costs in the world. Harmful to small businesses, who see competition from foreign companies with lower health care costs. Touting the tax credits for small business to purchase insurance, good for businesses and their employees. Those credits kick in immediately.
Kim Muldovsky, a woman from Illinois with a pre-existing condition, is up now. This woman had a $65,000 deductible on her policy. Wow.
James Clyburn, the Majority Whip, is speaking. Says it’s time to pass health insurance reform, recounts some stories of people in his district with health problems.
John Larson, a member of the House leadership, is speaking. Says it comes down to “whose side are you on”. Waiting for the Q&A, the rest of this is mainly fluff.
…After some other personal stories, Pelosi is back at the mike. Stresses how important they are to hear. Pelosi says that previous woman said “being a woman is a pre-existing condition.” Pelosi told she was a poor risk after having 5 children “I thought I was strong.” Bill ends gender discrimination on coverage ratings.
…says health care reform is the best way to create jobs, strengthen economic security and keep America competitive.
Questions:
Q: Why are you having a hard time getting 216? Pelosi: Every vote is a heavy lift. We have great diversity in our caucus. Members want to see the numbers, and want to see what the Senate will do. Shows impact of a campaign of fear from the other side to protect the insurance companies.
Q: Over $900B. How paid for (that was Lil’ Luke Russert)? Pelosi: We’ll put the complete report on the website. Biggest covering of cost comes from cutting waste, fraud and abuse, largely in Medicare. Remainder comes from a number of things. Our members did not like excise tax. Higher end of that is in the plan, rest will be covered by a Medicare fee on unearned income. No cuts in Medicare benefits or increases in premiums. Medicare solvent for 9 more years.
Q: Removing special deals? All out? Pelosi: Largely, the difference btw House and Senate bills: More affordability (for the first 10 years -ed.). Did not like state inequities, this bill corrects them. Medicaid reimbursements more fair to all of the states. Includes rewarding do-gooder states that had these Medicaid expansion. Funding for primary care doctors who add Medicaid cases. Close the donut hole.
Q: (unintelligible)? Pelosi: CBO is usually very conservative in estimates. They gave us no credit for prevention and wellness initiatives. No credit for early intervention. We don’t get any credit for some of the upside we know is there. Larson will talk about Health IT.
Larson: Reuters predicted earlier this year, $700B annually available, RAND projects same kind of savings that can accrue. Ability to coordinate care: interoperability, cases followed systematically, with updated technology. That will be a big savings in the future.
Q: deem and pass? Pelosi: You’re talking about regular order that has been used hundreds of times. Poisoning of the well indicative of insurance companies trying to stop this legislation. Decision would spring from CBO report. Urgency greater now, because the opportunity greater. Larson: Our members are concerned about the process of rescission and cancelled policies, not Congressional process.
Pelosi: We feel very strong about where we are in terms of the CBO report. Our guests have spoken eloquently about their concerns. We’re going to go forward now, share these numbers more fully, you will see it on the Internet shortly.




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YAY! Finally the change we can believe in!!
A bill that will do more harm than good! BRILLIEEENNT!!
Now I know why I never went into politics. I have an IQ above 100 and no slime glands oozing out whatever ethics are contained in my body.
Here we go!
Ye Olde “Rubber Stamp” makes an appearance.
Horseshit.
Will there be any follow up with the people whose stories were used to pass InsuranceCare to see how they actually fared with those insurance companies?
Tax credits? Really? That is the answer to everything? How are people going to pay for their premiums while they wait for their tax refund? Payday loans?
No, they are just going to pay the mandate penalties.
Current SF Chronicle headline:
Health care bill could cut deficit by $100B
Similar cost-oriented coverage on the radio this morning. As it is ostensibly a “health care” bill it would be nice if the health-oriented aspects were headline makers.
But not much to brag-up in that regard, is there?
I feel dizzy.
The spin is dizzier than a top.
Le Sigh.
It needs to be pointed out that these 10 year CBO estimates have only marginally more substance to them than the hard vacuum of space. They are based on assumptions, not so much if pigs can fly, but what their velocity and altitude will be. This is true even at the best of times. And these are far from the best of times. In the current economic climate, they can’t even get the current year right, let alone the next. So 10 years out? Add to this, that this is 2 and 1/2 Presidential terms out. Do we even know what will happen in 2012? It is 5 terms in the House and even the Senate will cycle 1 and 2/3 time in this period. You could get as reliable a set of numbers if you randomly copied them out of a phonebook.
Heh. A couple years ago I wrote up a pretty comprehensive proposal for government-by-lottery. Comparative analysis to representative-democracy, game theory analysis of built-in mechanisms against corruption, as well as similar analysis for propensity to serve the public trust rather than self-interest. I’m sure it’s in an old Time Machine backup on my NAS.
Anyway, the point was essentially that you couldn’t possibly do worse, on any measure, selecting politicians randomly by lottery, and in the overwhelming majority of cases the shift in incentives and the introduction of additional uncertainty actually produced better results.
It’s probably the most radical viewpoint that I hold, but I don’t think there is an even remotely compelling argument to be made that the combination of our electoral system, market configuration, and representative democracy can ever, on balance, serve the public trust. All the incentive systems and institutional advancement mechanisms are tailor made to foster corruption and self-interest.
Most people balk at the idea out of visceral reaction to years of indoctination, but when you consider that we’re willing to select jurors at random; it suddenly doesn’t seem so crazy. They are after all one of the cornerstones of perhaps our most valuable and important government institutions; the judiciary.
This vile corporate-greed enhancing insurance-care bill does absolutely nothing to drive down the skyrocketing cost of health care in the USA. Privatized hospitals are getting rich; medical laboratories are getting rich; HMOs are getting rich; doctors are doin’OK, thank you very much…
Pelosi took impeaching the lying war-criming election-stealing Cheney and Bush “off the table,” presumably so that we could elect a Democrat in Nov. 2008; we elected a Democrat who campaigned for single payer and/or the Public Option; a year ago the Blue Dog traitors took single payer “off the table,” they even had doctors supporting single payer arrested and removed from a Senate hearing on health care reform… Now Pelosi has removed the Public Option from the coming House/Senate compromise. And the gutless corrpt Senators are deathly afraid of having an up/down vote on the Public Option…
Three corporate pigs (Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld),no, Pelosi, Reid and Obama in a corporate fountain…
These corporate Dems make me sick…
Hi Nathan, thanks for your comments on a lottery-based government; I thought about that years ago, but I never publicly made my thoughts known. The problem is that the greedy wealthy would find/bribe a way to rig the lottery, just as the NY Knicks just happened to get Patrick Ewing (just what the NBA commissioner dreamed of…).
No different than the risk of rigging elections.
Like I said, there’s almost no measure where you do worse under a lottery system, and you gain ground in significant other areas. One measure is to choose the “commissioner” committee for the lottery by lottery as well. Rotating through (fully replacing) 1/3′rd of the population of the committee in “mid-terms.” The selections can be anonymized as well, so that there’s no real way to make a specific selection on purpose, as the outcome of your selection is immediately ambiguous; like a hash.
You add enough entropy, and you mitigate the likelihood of rigging.