Here’s the last one. We’re going to start to see this firm up, and we can focus attention on the last holdouts. We can determine if all those No-Yes flippers can offset the Stupak bloc, and if enough of them can get peeled off, that’s basically what it’s come down to. But there still may be some surprises.
• Like Stephen Lynch (D-MA), who emerged from his meeting with President Obama still unconvinced of the merits of the bill, and still firm in his intention to vote No:
After emerging from a 40-minute Oval Office meeting with Obama and a White House aide, Lynch (D-South Boston) said he was not persuaded and made it official: “I am firmly a ‘no’ vote.” [...]
“The president was courteous and generous with his time,” said Lynch, noting a White House aide explained how various changes made the bill attractive. “The president asked me if there was anything he could do that I should tell him, and I told him, ‘I have been over this bill and I still wasn’t satisfied.’ ”
Apparently his offices are getting swamped today. I wouldn’t discount the role of Massachusetts in all of this, by the way, both the Scott Brown election and the fact that reform offers much less to them given their current system. But regardless, I think you have to move him to No (I had him lean No).
• John Boccieri will hold a press conference this morning, I’m hearing at around 10:40am ET, to announce his vote. He’s a lean Yes in my count, but would be another flipper, who voted No the first time around.
• This count will reflect the decisions of Betsy Markey, Bart Gordon and Travis Childers, which I reported on yesterday.
• Famed secessionist Rick Perry is getting involved in the vote by hosting a conference call with district residents of “undecided” Texas congressmen. Two of them are actually undecided – Henry Cuellar and Solomon Ortiz – but I’m not thinking this will sway them.
• Marcy Kaptur spends a whole interview with the Toledo Blade talking about the abortion language, then says abortion “should not be the issue that predominates in any health insurance debate.” Well, thanks for helping with that, Marcy. She’s becoming incoherent.
• Bart Stupak’s a No, but if he says he’s a No he won’t get on television anymore, so he claims to be open to a deal. There may be a last-minute deal on the table where Stupak gets an annual up-or-down vote on abortion funding, but that an “if all else fails” scenario, and I think there would be too much resistance to it in the caucus.
• The Washington Post reports that Mike Arcuri and Zack Space are both “lean No” votes. Arcuri was a No in my count after a separate report yesterday; Space was undecided. Back in January, Space said he opposed any comprehensive bill. I still think he’s gettable, but will monitor.
• Allen Boyd told reporters he’s undecided and would give an answer in the morning.
• Scott Murphy seemed somewhat unenthused by the CBO analysis. “The issue of cost control goes beyond just deficit spending. To have true health care reform, we need to decrease the amount our families and small businesses spend on health care,” he said. He’s still undecided (I have him lean Yes based on prior statements, but I’m rethinking that).
• Chris Carney’s statement upon release of the bill, on the other hand, was more positive.
So if you add that all up, I have a count of 193-208, with leaners 203-211. I expect that to change rapidly today – we could know Boccieri and Boyd in a matter of minutes.
The numbers on the flip:
Definite YES:
193 Democrats, including 3 who voted No last time, in November (Dennis Kucinich, Bart Gordon, Betsy Markey).
Definite NO:
177 Republicans
Definite NO:
31 Democrats.
24 Democrats who voted No in November:
Bobby Bright, Mike McIntyre, Stephanie Herseth Sandlin, Walt Minnick, Artur Davis, Chet Edwards, Frank Kratovil, Mike Ross, Dan Boren, Gene Taylor, Larry Kissell, Collin Peterson, Ike Skelton, Jim Marshall, Mike McMahon, Charlie Melancon, Tim Holden, Ben Chandler, Health Shuler, Rick Boucher, John Adler, Lincoln Davis, John Barrow, Travis Childers.
7 Democrats who voted Yes in November (“S” for confirmed Stupak bloc):
Stephen Lynch, Mike Arcuri, Bart Stupak (S), Dan Lipinski (S), Jerry Costello (S), Joe Donnelly (S), Steve Driehaus (S).
11 potential Democratic No-Yes flip votes:
5 lean Yes:
John Tanner, Brian Baird, John Boccieri (Clyburn Three), Suzanne Kosmas, Scott Murphy.
5 undecided:
Jim Matheson, Harry Teague, Travis Childers, Jason Altmire, Allen Boyd.
1 lean No:
Glenn Nye.
20 potential Yes-No flip votes:
5 additional Stupak bloc (Stupak-curious):
Brad Ellsworth, Kathy Dahlkemper, Henry Cuellar, *Marion Berry, Marcy Kaptur, *Joseph Cao.
5 lean Yes:
Paul Kanjorski, Dina Titus, Allan Mollohan, Bill Owens, Tom Perriello.
9 other undecided Democrats:
Zack Space, Chris Carney, Nick Rahall, Solomon Ortiz, Earl Pomeroy, Bill Foster, Harry Mitchell, Melissa Bean, Mike Michaud.
3 lean No:
Marion Berry, Joseph Cao.
Democrats need 23 of a combination of the 11 potential No-Yes flip votes and the 20 potential Yes-No flip votes. So they need 23 out of the remaining uncommitted 31. If you’re counting leaners, Democrats need 13 of the last 17 uncommitted.
The numbers…
| Tuesday, 3/16/2010 | Voted | Retiring | Stupak | PVI | No | Leaning No | Unknown | Leaning Yes | Yes | ||
| Aye | Nay | ||||||||||
| Definite No (30): | |||||||||||
| 1 | Adler, John | X | R+1 | 1 | |||||||
| 2 | Barrow, John | X | D+2 | 1 | |||||||
| 3 | Boren, Dan | X | R+14 | 1 | |||||||
| 4 | Boucher, Rick | X | R+11 | 1 | |||||||
| 5 | Bright, Bobby | X | R+16 | 1 | |||||||
| 6 | Chandler, Ben | X | R+9 | 1 | |||||||
| 7 | Childers, Travis | X | R+14 | 1 | |||||||
| 8 | Davis, Artur | X | D+18 | 1 | |||||||
| 9 | Davis, Lincoln | X | R+14 | 1 | |||||||
| 10 | Edwards, Chet | X | R+20 | 1 | |||||||
| 11 | Herseth-Sandlin, Stephanie | X | R+9 | 1 | |||||||
| 12 | Holden, Tim | X | R+6 | 1 | |||||||
| 13 | Kissell, Larry | X | R+2 | 1 | |||||||
| 14 | Kratovil, Frank | X | R+13 | 1 | |||||||
| 15 | Marshall, Jim | X | R+10 | 1 | |||||||
| 16 | McIntyre, Mike | X | R+3 | 1 | |||||||
| 17 | McMahon, Michael | X | R+4 | 1 | |||||||
| 18 | Melancon, Charlie | X | R | R+12 | 1 | ||||||
| 19 | Minnick, Walt | X | R+18 | 1 | |||||||
| 20 | Peterson, Collin | X | R+6 | 1 | |||||||
| 21 | Ross, Mike | X | R+7 | 1 | |||||||
| 22 | Shuler, Heath | X | R+6 | 1 | |||||||
| 23 | Skelton, Ike | X | R+14 | 1 | |||||||
| 24 | Taylor, Gene | X | R+20 | 1 | |||||||
| 25 | Arcuri, Mike | X | R+1 | 1 | |||||||
| 26 | Costello, Jerry | X | S | D+3 | 1 | ||||||
| 27 | Donnelly, Joe | X | S | R+4 | 1 | ||||||
| 28 | Driehaus, Steve | X | S | D+1 | 1 | ||||||
| 29 | Lipinski, Dan | X | S | D+11 | 1 | ||||||
| 13 | Lynch, Stephen | X | D+8 | 1 | |||||||
| 30 | Stupak, Bart | X | S | R+3 | 1 | ||||||
| Potential No-Yes Flips (10): | |||||||||||
| 1 | Altmire, Jason | X | R+6 | 1 | |||||||
| 2 | Baird, Brian | X | R | D+0 | 1 | ||||||
| 3 | Boyd, Allen | X | R+6 | 1 | |||||||
| 4 | Kosmas, Suzanne | X | R+4 | 1 | |||||||
| 5 | Matheson, Jim | X | R+15 | 1 | |||||||
| 6 | Murphy, Scott | X | D+2 | 1 | |||||||
| 7 | Nye, Glenn | X | R+6 | 1 | |||||||
| 8 | Tanner, John | X | R | R+6 | 1 | ||||||
| 9 | Teague, Harry | X | R+6 | 1 | |||||||
| Potential Yes-No Flips (23): | |||||||||||
| 1 | Bean, Melissa | X | R+1 | 1 | |||||||
| 2 | Berry, Marion | X | S | R+8 | 1 | ||||||
| 3 | Cao, Joseph | X | S | D+18 | 1 | ||||||
| 4 | Carney, Chris | X | R+8 | 1 | |||||||
| 5 | Cuellar, Henry | X | S | D+0 | 1 | ||||||
| 6 | Dahlkemper, Kathy | X | S | R+3 | 1 | ||||||
| 7 | Ellsworth, Brad | X | S | R+9 | 1 | ||||||
| 8 | Foster, Bill | X | R+1 | 1 | |||||||
| 9 | Hill, Baron | X | R+6 | 1 | |||||||
| 10 | Kanjorski, Paul | X | D+4 | 1 | |||||||
| 11 | Kaptur, Marcy | X | S | D+10 | 1 | ||||||
| 12 | Kirkpatrick, Ann | X | R+6 | 1 | |||||||
| 13 | Michaud, Mike | X | D+5 | 1 | |||||||
| 14 | Mitchell, Harry | X | R+5 | 1 | |||||||
| 15 | Mollohan, Alan | X | R+9 | 1 | |||||||
| 16 | Ortiz, Solomon | X | R+2 | 1 | |||||||
| 17 | Owens, Bill | X | R+1 | 1 | |||||||
| 18 | Perriello, Tom | X | R+5 | 1 | |||||||
| 19 | Pomeroy, Earl | X | R+10 | 1 | |||||||
| 20 | Rahall, Nick | X | R+6 | 1 | |||||||
| 21 | Space, Zack | X | R+7 | 1 | |||||||
| 22 | Titus, Dina | X | D+2 | 1 | |||||||
| Committed Votes | |||||||||||
| Democratic | 193 | ||||||||||
| Republican | 177 | ||||||||||
| TOTAL | 208 | 3 | 17 | 9 | 194 | ||||||




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David, thank you so much for your work on this. I am hooked watching this train wreck. I keep hoping against hope that Rahm will not be able to get the votes.
Boccieri just announced he’s a yes.
Perhaps someone should send him a link to Jon’s article on the Demon Math being used by the CBO.
BTW, have the Congress critters signed their “intentions” in blood? Couldn’t some of them have done a little READING over the last few days and seen that the coverage and savings promised are all smoke & mirrors?
Jason, did you ever answer my question in the diary you wrote about your connection with HCAN?
Turnabout is so much more fun… you have turned this thing into a real horse race, the thing we hate so much when reporters do it to presidential candidates. But, here, it is merited.
Linked here:
http://news.firedoglake.com/2010/03/19/john-boccieri-looks-like-a-yes/
DeFazio’s starting to grumble.
If you read the entire piece, you’d have your answer.
David,
Is he (Lynch) opposing the bill from the left or the right? I’m seeing him claim the parlimentry games and the excise tax as his reasons but that doesn’t seem liek the real one?
Or is he just saying no because he’s afraid for his seat?
Good idea! I just did it. I hope it goes through, okay, though, since I’m not one of his constituents, and had to use my own zip code.
Market down on open, Wellpoint still going up (upper right). If you enter SPY above the chart where it says ‘enter ticker here’ and click ‘add’ you can see Wellpoint compared to the general market.
Thanks Koslings!
Love, AHIP.
http://www.google.com/finance?client=news&q=wlp
Rahall indicated he was leaning yes on MSNBC just now, but wasn’t satisfied with abortion language and wanted a change. But he was talking about the bill as if it would pass and what needed done once it passed (translation: I won’t be the deciding vote to kill the bill, but if Pelosi can make my vote irrelevant, I’m voting no because I want to be reelected).
Someone (I think it was SouthernDragon) posted the Seeger version of “Which side are you on” on another thread. Here’s a little more intense version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8fCQ-Dctm8
The illusion that there is huge difference between the current Dems and Republicans is what makes every thing about the current congress Hazy.
We talk like this is the Democratic Party of FDR, LBJ, JFK. etc. it is not.
The base of the DEM Party still considers itself followers of FDR, LBJ, JFK.
The Dems in congress consider themselves followers of Ronald Reagan.
There is a very, very, HUGE disconnect between the base of Democratic Party and the Democrats in congress.
It is up to the base to elect congress people that follow FDR, LBJ, JFk, etc. and they are out there.
The current Dems in congress are just great liars and actors.
Obama is a super ACTOR.
Obama is for more war
Obama is against the public option
Obama is against a woman right to choose
Obama is for the individual mandate.
However, when you hear him speak, he talks like a progressive.
The Progressive Base has been lied to, not beaten.
The MSM tries to say thing like Fire Dog Lake, Bold Progressives are fringe groups, knowing they are the majority, because the Public Option was supported by 85% of real Dems.
Saying you are not going to vote for the current Dems in congress is great, because they are more republican than democrats.
Progressives need to only vote for progressive candidate that follow FDR, LBJ, JFK, etc.
if you’re for a woman’s right to choose, you should be against this bill. if nothing else, there are those unchoosable mandates.
if you’re anti-abortion, you should be against this bill, since this bill is, itself, an abortion. of justice.
You’re forgetting the new paradigm:
War is Peace
Change is the Status Quo
Commitment is Caving
Freedom to choose is having to buy from a monopoly
and enabling Fascism is Progressive
Get with the program dude.
and in this Bizarro world, Stupak may be pro-choice’s greatest hero in this debate.
Isn’t it funny that Obama’s having an easier time lobbying Cao than the Stupak bloc?
How ironic is that?
Obama is still at it. They don’t have the votes yet.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/35948300#35948300
Yeah, I never pictured myself cheering for Bart Stupidass.
I am as left as you can go…..I worked for obamas race to D.C. I will now work with my old guard….I believed…now I want change that I REALLY can believe in…..Power to the people let the rev..start……
Excellent work, David. I’m watching your tally, and the one over at The Hill. The one thing that appears certain is that they’re not at 216 yet…as long as that remains the case, there is still hope of defeating this monstrosity. Again, thanks for the effort!
Consumers Union is urging ‘yes’ votes.
Are they considered evil here?
“… and I KNOW what this legislation will mean to people like Ronald Williams, or Edward Hanway who can just scrape by with 24 and 12 million a year respectively. What are we going to say to them when they ask how much more they have to suffer? I’ll ask you right now, if you don’t give them access to the underprivileged’s wallets through a subsidy/premium/penalty system, how are they going to make it? How can you live with yourselves?”
Not necessarily evil, but damn sure gullible.
So am I, in a disgusted and fascinated way…
And they are considering the Senate disfunctional. Have they looked in their mirrors recently?
Where’s Mike Capuano on your list?
I’m a constituent and he’s sent a series of long, detailed, policy oriented emails about wanting to vote yes but highlighting reasons (including Massachusetts-specific issues) why he can’t get to yes.
Jane has a fresh cross-post available: Fact Sheet: The Truth About the Health Care Bill
What is going to be the final riot is when the House votes to pass this mess and the Senate fails to live up to its promise with the reconciliation bill.
Nice to know you suckers!
Where’s Defazio in this count? Grim reporting he’s an angry No right now, unless they can fix the “rural Medicare discrepancy.” Now there’s a caution from Grim that he talks loud but then follows the leader–but he didn’t do so on the stimulus as I recall…and I thought he voted no on the House HCR bill but maybe not.
In any case, I’d say you’d at LEAST have to peg DeFazio as lean No at the moment…
I’m trying to contact Cao now to encourage him to hold off for an opt in to medicare or medicaid plan rather than throwing every one to the private insurance lions. I’m in his district and he’ll need every last vote to get re-elected there. He calls me for his teleconference calls monthly so I’m assuming he’ll talk to me.
Oh, and I just got a robocall on my cell phone from some one calling me to call him and tell him that the senate version is prolife enough for him. Just as an fyi which is why I’m trying to cover some bases here. His staff told me he’s still leaning no … but it doesn’t sound very firm.
Women have the right to choose not to have sex.