(see the update)
OK, so NRO has not always been right (understatement of the year), but they claim that Stupak told their sources that he’s “finished with Pelosi” and the enrollment corrections bill is dead. So I’ve taken a second look at the numbers to reflect what we know, and the challenge facing the Democratic leadership.
I’ve re-divided the whip count categories into Yes, No, Undecided, and Stupak. The thinking here is that if you haven’t decided by now, the day before the vote, you’re undecided. And the Stupak bloc should get its own category to more easily see the challenges of getting to 216.
So if you do that, you have 201 202 sure Yes votes, and 206 sure No votes (which includes all Republicans and 28 Democrats who have announced their intention to oppose). 13 12 members are still completely undecided. Four who voted No last time:
Brian Baird, Jim Matheson, Glenn Nye, John Tanner
And nine who voted Yes last time:
Melissa Bean, Chris Carney, Bill Foster, Paul Kanjorski, Solomon Ortiz,
Bill Owens, Earl Pomeroy, Zack Space, Mike Michaud
(UPDATE: Bill Owens will vote Yes. So it’s down to 12 undecideds, from 13)
If Speaker Pelosi were to get every single one of these votes – and that’s a tall order – she would still need two members from the confirmed Stupak bloc. This confirmation comes from the names on the enrollment corrections bill from last night, and also Joe Donnelly and Jerry Costello, whose public statements leading up to the vote put them squarely in the Stupak camp. There’s some question as to whether Chris Carney belongs there as well, but his name didn’t appear on the list, and he’s wavered enough in public statements that I’ll keep him undecided. These are the Stupak 11:
Bart Stupak, Marion Berry, Sanford Bishop, Jerry Costello, Kathy Dahlkemper, Joe Donnelly, Steve Driehaus, Marcy Kaptur, Dan Lipinski, Alan Mollohan, Nick Rahall
So if the deal is dead, Pelosi needs everyone in the first two categories and two from the Stupak bloc. If she can peel off more from the Stupak bloc, it gives her room with the undecideds. The only other option would be to try and flip one of the sure No votes, like Stephen Lynch or Mike Arcuri. Expect the two committee chairs voting No, Collin Peterson and Ike Skelton, to get a lot of attention.
Given those odds, you can see why she explored the Stupak deal. But pro-choice women apparently slapped it down so soundly, that the path of least resistance is now this agonizing trek to peel off enough votes to get to 216.
| Voted | Retiring | Stupak | PVI | No | Leaning No | Unknown | Leaning Yes | Yes | |||
| Aye | Nay | ||||||||||
| Definite No (28): | |||||||||||
| 1 | Adler, John | X | R+1 | 1 | |||||||
| 2 | Barrow, John | X | D+2 | 1 | |||||||
| 3 | Boren, Dan | X | R+14 | 1 | |||||||
| 4 | Boucher, Rick | X | R+11 | 1 | |||||||
| 5 | Bright, Bobby | X | R+16 | 1 | |||||||
| 6 | Chandler, Ben | X | R+9 | 1 | |||||||
| 7 | Childers, Travis | X | R+14 | 1 | |||||||
| 8 | Davis, Artur | X | D+18 | 1 | |||||||
| 9 | Davis, Lincoln | X | R+14 | 1 | |||||||
| 10 | Edwards, Chet | X | R+20 | 1 | |||||||
| 11 | Herseth-Sandlin, Stephanie | X | R+9 | 1 | |||||||
| 12 | Holden, Tim | X | R+6 | 1 | |||||||
| 13 | Kissell, Larry | X | R+2 | 1 | |||||||
| 14 | Kratovil, Frank | X | R+13 | 1 | |||||||
| 15 | Marshall, Jim | X | R+10 | 1 | |||||||
| 16 | McIntyre, Mike | X | R+3 | 1 | |||||||
| 17 | McMahon, Michael | X | R+4 | 1 | |||||||
| 18 | Melancon, Charlie | X | R | R+12 | 1 | ||||||
| 19 | Minnick, Walt | X | R+18 | 1 | |||||||
| 20 | Peterson, Collin | X | R+6 | 1 | |||||||
| 21 | Ross, Mike | X | R+7 | 1 | |||||||
| 22 | Shuler, Heath | X | R+6 | 1 | |||||||
| 23 | Skelton, Ike | X | R+14 | 1 | |||||||
| 24 | Taylor, Gene | X | R+20 | 1 | |||||||
| 25 | Arcuri, Mike | X | R+1 | 1 | |||||||
| 26 | Lynch, Stephen | X | D+8 | 1 | |||||||
| 27 | Teague, Harry | X | R+6 | 1 | |||||||
| 28 | Altmire, Jason | X | R+6 | 1 | |||||||
| Potential No-Yes Flips (5): | |||||||||||
| 1 | Baird, Brian | X | R | D+0 | 1 | ||||||
| 2 | Matheson, Jim | X | R+15 | 1 | |||||||
| 3 | Nye, Glenn | X | R+6 | 1 | |||||||
| 4 | Tanner, John | X | R | R+6 | 1 | ||||||
| Potential Yes-No Flips (4): | |||||||||||
| 2 | Foster, Bill | X | R+1 | 1 | |||||||
| 3 | Kanjorski, Paul | X | D+4 | 1 | |||||||
| 4 | Michaud, Mike | X | D+5 | 1 | |||||||
| 5 | Ortiz, Solomon | X | R+2 | 1 | |||||||
| 6 | Owens, Bill | X | R+1 | 1 | |||||||
| 7 | Pomeroy, Earl | X | R+10 | 1 | |||||||
| 8 | Space, Zack | X | R+7 | 1 | |||||||
| Stupak Block (11): | |||||||||||
| 1 | Costello, Jerry | X | S | D+3 | 1 | ||||||
| 2 | Donnelly, Joe | X | S | R+4 | 1 | ||||||
| 3 | Driehaus, Steve | X | S | D+1 | 1 | ||||||
| 4 | Lipinski, Dan | X | S | D+11 | 1 | ||||||
| 5 | Stupak, Bart | X | S | R+3 | 1 | ||||||
| 6 | Berry, Marion | X | S | R+8 | 1 | ||||||
| 7 | Carney, Chris | X | S | R+8 | 1 | ||||||
| 8 | Dahlkemper, Kathy | X | S | R+3 | 1 | ||||||
| 9 | Mollohan, Alan | X | S | R+9 | 1 | ||||||
| 10 | Kaptur, Marcy | X | S | D+10 | 1 | ||||||
| 11 | Rahall, Nick | X | S | R+6 | 1 | ||||||
| Committed Votes | |||||||||||
| Democratic | 202 | ||||||||||
| Republican | 177 | ||||||||||
| TOTAL | 209 | 5 | 9 | 6 | 202 | ||||||




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I don’t agree with your political leanings, but I want to thank you for running such an informative site – I haven’t found anything else like it for covering this topic. If the actual merits and details of this bill were reported like this by the media we might actually have an informed public and be on a path to a decent bill.
aint’ that the truth
Same here – opposite sides of the political fence, but I really appreciate all of the hard work that has been done by the folks at this site. You’ve gone over and above the call of duty, and we are grateful for all of the information that you have provided on this. Many thanks!
Melissa Bean will vote yes.
If came down to one or two votes, would two Repubs vote YES just to place this albatross around the Dems’ necks for the coming elections in 2010 and 2012?
Or is that too convouted…. It would give the health insurers what they want, give the Repubs huge targets to pin on Dems, might give then the House, and then they can rewrite the legislation?? Or at least increase chances to get the House?
Quite OT: Liz Carpenter dies, 88 yrs. old. RIP, a wonderful woman.
No not too convoluted at all. Nothing is past any of the creatures in DC. And yes, be my guest and hang this idiocy around the so called Dems.
She was indeed a wonderful person. Another of those great women from Texas….what the hell is the matter with the men in the loe star state?
If I understand correctly, we were at the following distribution, when this was posted.
Stupak block: 11
Undecided: 12
Affirmative: 202
Negative: 206
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Total: 431
Right?
;) Great question…
David, your analysis and number-crunching: amazing. Amazing amazing amazing.
(I bow down before thee, Oh Ye God of the Spread Sheet Summary.)
Skelton has been loudly targeted by the GOP, and whatever his personal position on abortion and choice, he doesn’t want to be seen in campaign ads as the guy that torpedoed Bart Stupak’s tougher restrictions on abortion.
If passing this bill comes down to Ike, my WAG is that it is not going to pass.
We all know Stupak will cave.
This thing is in the bag.
Now, get prepared for the spin–which you see already.
“Obama stands on principles and makes Health Care Reform a reality.”
“Finally, we see the principled Obama we all knew was there.”
Etc.
I’d rather the pro-choice caucus was upset enough to walk. I can already hear what they’ll be telling us: We stood up for women’s rights. Don’t we deserve a pat on the back?
And yet they’ll still be okay with the Nelson language. Disgusting.
So Pelosi forced all these vulnerable Dems to publicly state their support for the bill and she *doesn’t* have the votes? Because I don’t see how this is adding up to 216?
Boy, I wish Stupak was on our side. Then maybe we’d have a chance at a progressive bill. One Stupak is worth 20 Lynn Woolseys.
cross posting from news:
just came across this interesting comment on another blog:
“As a physician who has NOT been a member of the AMA for years, this is one of the reasons why. The true number is that the AMA represents less than 17% of physicians – many of those being non-clinical academic physicians as well as medical students. The Democrats have also BOUGHT the AMA endorsement by giving them exclusive rights to produce medical-billing codes – a huge revenue stream for the AMA, especially in light of recent declines in membership.
More telling are the 18 medical specialty societies who have come out against this disgusting monstrosity.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/03/19/national/w093616D83.DTL&tsp=1#ixzz0ijefgemV
Notice how Stewart and others point out how the reich-wing talking machine parrots the same phrase from many people? They all get the ‘memo’ or fax from RNC, then go out and all say the same thing – it’s really ridiculous.
“it’s not perfect, but…”
Now, doesn’t this remind you of that?
No lie. I was about to cheer for them standing up for women, and then I remembered what sellouts they are anyway.
Lynn Woolsey is a lousy liar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiyO9VBGhHA
I won’t dispute your AMA numbers (17% sounds low) but I promise you it is a business oriented organization and always has been. It is not representative of the academic as much as the private practice docs.Your numbers regarding all physicians support of insurance reform are way off. Near 80% favor universal care and over half favor full single payer. New England Journal and Archives of Internal Medicine. A lot of the specialists reject the Medicare provisions in this specific bill as they are disproportionately targeted for pay limits.
My only question is, why do you so forcefully back the “pro-choice women” for ‘slapping down’ some kind of amendment, to a bill you appear to oppose out of hand? Just curious
Thanks.
Excellent catch on the medical-billing codes, thanks.
AFAIK, AMA maintains the physician shortage via their Liaison Committee on Medical School Education.
Medical school education is also already subsidized via Medicare. Health insurance cartel socialized that onto the taxpayers too.
Because, among other things, it makes it harder for Rahm to pass it.
The other thing is that they so frequently do not stand up for choice.
As long as people buy these idiotic conspiracy theories about the AMA the physicians,and their organizations, they have no choice but to bargain with the Corporates and Politicians.
It is triangulation pure and simple this making physicians and patients enemies and we will continue to miss the greatest opportunity for genuine reform and cost saving.
Seriously, man, what is the point of publishing articles every day that say that you disagree with Pelosi’s numbers? She has never brought forward a bill without the votes — ever. She’s bringing this bill forward, so she’s got the votes. She told Stupak to go f— himself, so there is absolutely no question she’s got the votes.
Either Pelosi is wrong or you are wrong. Why should a person believe your counts over hers? What do you know that Pelosi hasn’t figured out yet?
Kanjorski has reportedly told the Prez that he is a big fat NO — Kanjorski is in Sallie Mae’s pocket and they don’t like the student loan reform measures in the House reconciliation package: http://www.abigfatslob.com/2010/03/kanjo-tells-prez-im-voting-no.html.
Doublefelix…
If Pelosi had the votes… they would have already voted. No way after all the bridges that they have burned, would she sit on 216 until 72 hours were up.
Nothing like citing yourself for the source of a “big story”…
Doesn’t make it not a story, and I am not the source, I just reported it.
I don’t dispute your numbers either – not sure what you are talking about when you say ‘I’m way off’
Kanjo and WH made a deal. Kanjo is now on board. Stupak and friends will follow suit and the Yes votes will be at least 222.
hmm I don’t know, I bet 8 of those will be allowed to vote NO to aid their elections this November