I didn’t think this was going to be carried live, but Nancy Pelosi is introducing the President right now on C-SPAN. I’ll update.
…Harry Reid showed up. I assume he’ll be passing around the Senate letter which apparently has over 50 firm commitments for passing the reconciliation sidecar.
Reid: “I have a signed agreement to make that good law even better,” a reference to the letter.
Reid relates the health care endgame to March Madness: Republicans are “trying to foul us, and foul us, and foul us” at the end of the game.
…Steny Hoyer up now.
…OK, the President has reached the lectern.
Thanks Reid, Hoyer, Pelosi, etc.
Quotes Abraham Lincoln: “I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live up to the light I have.” Acknowledges difficult debate and difficult process.
This body “has taken on some of the toughest votes in the history of Congress.” Stressing the importance of history over poll-watching.
Says there’s a sense we are making progress in the economy.
“Now, we’re on the threshold of doing something about it. We’re a day away.”
…Says the cable news obsession is what will this mean for the Democrats, how will it play in November, etc. “I notice that there’s been a lot of friendly advice offered” by Boehner, McConnell, Rove. Maybe they’re giving the best possible advice so Pelosi remains Speaker. But maybe they also realize that after health reform passes, it’ll be harder to mischaracterize what this effort will be all about.
…Stressing the benefits of reform in 2010.
…Says that GOP fearmongering will amount to nothing after reform passes.
…Stresses that it’s a middle of the road bill supported by Bob Dole and Howard Baker. I’m psyched!
…Again triangulates himself between single payer and deregulation of insurance market.
…Now just explaining the bill to the members of Congress who wrote it.
…”Is this bill perfect? Of course not. Will this solve every single problem in our health care system right away? No.” Says that there are plenty of good ideas, highlights regional disparities of Medicare reimbursement. (there’s a deal in place on this apparently.
Says it’s the most important step taken on health care since Medicare. Vast improvement over the status quo.
“I know this is a tough vote.”
…Don’t do it (pass the bill) for me, but those that are struggling.
…Reading a letter from a constituent who doesn’t have health insurance and can’t get care. And another. “Do it for them.”
…”Don’t do it for the Democratic Party, do it for the American people.”
…says that good policy is good politics, that passage is the smart thing to do politically.
…cites Betsy Markey’s support, and the day later that a conservative paper in her district endorsed the legislation and her decision.
…mentions John Boccieri, getting a big ovation. Standing up in “the toughest district there is.”
…”I can’t guarantee this is good politics.” Everyone’s under pressure. Goes back to the Lincoln quote. “I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true.”
…Goes back to how he got involved in politics, working in neighborhoods in Chicago, was skeptical about politics and politicians at the time. His working assumption was politicians looked out for themselves, too many compromises, special interests have too much power and clout (is this a confession?)… then said he had to step up and be true to the things he believed in.
…Democrats “have a sense of neighborliness and a sense of community.” Actually makes a solid argument for liberal ideology there. Getting a standing O.
…”Turns out people have had to make compromises… Maybe you asked yourself, why did I ever get involved in politics in the first place.” Sometimes the very people you thought you were trying to help may be angry at you. But every once in a while “a moment comes when you have a chance to vindicate all those best hopes.” Can make good on all those promises. This is one of those moments.
Says that this vote is why you get into public service.
…closes up by saying “let’s get this done.” I can see that speech having an impact on the last few votes.



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Thanks dday.
Ditto but he didn’t mention the public option and ignored the removal of the regulatory function because of reconciliation.
“and everyone agrees that every idea to bend the cost curve,etc. are in this bill”; if that isn’t being untruthful I don’t know what it is.
But I really can’t watch his oratory any longer because it doesn’t tell the whole story.
Thanks for doing all the hard work you’ve done. I’ve found your whip counts and related posts to be the most revealing part of this entire process (and in darker moments the most reassuring), and I appreciate your efforts very much. Thank you.
Obama, used legislation salesman in chief:
“What do I have to do today to get you into this
carbill?”Goodness….we are interested in Bob Dole because?
Is he on the ropes?
“Good policy is good politics”
I agree and I wish they would actually ENACT a good policy.
Because he’s now the model for Democratic governance and policy.
..it’s so bipartisany?
Thanks David, your hard work is keeping me in front of the computer instead of out doing that yard work I swore I would do today. I do appreciate not having to watch the kabuki, I just can’t stand another minute of it.
Just the way the Fraud in Chief likes it.
Oh man, word.
Me, too. I’ve got to go mow the lawn!
I spent eight years hiding from Bush press conferences and speeches because I couldn’t stand to hear the lies. Now I have to do the same for Obama.
Change I can believe in? Jeez.
Your reporting on this has been outstanding, dday.
Thanks for your untiring efforts.
Wow. The asshole is actually giving a great speech if it were in support of real healthcare reform.
Too bad it’s not.
And WTF does he think those folks whose letters he read are going to think when they realize the bill passed yet they’re still in the same boat? And will be in the same boat in November. And November 2012.
Bob Dole’s ’96 campaign slogan: “Vote for me, you pinhead.”
Fits right in.
BS. What “tough vote” has he ever taken? Signing FISA? Edited: Voting for FISA.
Someone who “plays politics” should not throw apolitical statements around.
He is true to the corporations, not Americans. He’s proved that. The rest is noise.
Best whip count in the business, thank you DDay.
Not a good speech, too many pursed lip pauses, he seems a bit forced selling a product he knows sucks.
His pitch looks a little threadbare.
Let the light we have shine? wtf is that?
like rolling back choice, mandating that we buy a product from the very thieves he’s railing against, taxing benefits so that your premiums will not, in fact, go down, and you will not, in fact be able to keep what you already have if you like it. And on and on and on.
So where are the pro-choice House Democrats, who now know that Obama’s going to issue an executive order that will destroy women’s rights the moment this pos passes?
Shouldn’t they be stopping this?
Shouldn’t we be demanding that they do, calling them out by name?
OK, he’s spreading it on just a little too thick, doncha think?
Whip it good!
The whole thing was a con job, crazy because these people know that. This speech was for the Koslings et al.
Bleh.
“I know this is a tough vote.”
…Don’t do it (pass the bill) for me, but those that are struggling.
…Reading a letter from a constituent who doesn’t have health insurance and can’t get care. And another. “Do it for them.”
…”Don’t do it for the Democratic Party, do it for the American people.”
ummm, this isn’t what he told Kucinich.
Great work, David. And greats comments by all. I’m running out of words to describe my feelings.
Disgusted.
Betrayed.
Appalled.
Nauseated.
Furious.
Depressed.
But all in all, I’m amazed at the pure spectacle of it all. It also reminds me of how Iraq came back to bite Bush in the ass. Get this feeling that when Obama started this push to bailout and enable the health insurance companies he never, for a moment, figured that it would hang his presidency and him personally out on the cross like this. In his arrogance (and Rahm’s) they figured O could stay above the fray, chalk it up to bi-partisanship, etc. (In other words, lay off the blame and the consequences on others.)
Of course Dole would support it. After all, it’s only a slightly reworked version of HIS 1993 “reform” bill.
For a couple days I am through wanting more. I will cherish this moment, this deed, this triumph. I am sorry Ms Hamsher can’t join in, but she is our ideal, the one who knows this ain’t perfect by any means, and the one who’ll spur us to make it better.
I thought it was just me, but I thought he sounded like he knew the legislation is going down in a blaze!
As I read comments like yours, I keep thinking of that “victory” sign in the Shrub’s photo op on that aircraft carrier. About as real as this “reform”. Can hardly wait to see Obama’s “executive order” selling out half the population… Sigh.
To all not blinded by the red or blue lies, we must fight on for real change. Apparently, against both the Republicans and almost all of the Democrats.
that’s an interesting take on it. Hmmm…
I got an inkling of that, too. I was reminded of the Coakley speech a bit.
Guess we’ll see.
Uh, no:
com·pro·mise, n. 1. a. A settlement of differences in which each side makes concessions.
When only one side makes concessions, that is by definition NOT a compromise.
If you change your vote because Obama made another speech, you [Edited by Moderator. No threats of violence are allowed]
I am sooo tired of Obama thinking that making a speech will solve everything.
Huh, I didn’t get that at all. But I did miss the beginning, maybe that’s why.
I still think this thing is a done deal. My only hope now is that I’m dead wrong about what I believe this bill will do. I hope like hell I’m wrong, and that this will be the beginning of something.
I don’t think so, but I hope so.
As I read views like yours I think of all those who voted against bare-bones Social Security legislation, because it didn’t contain all the benefits that eventually were added. Nowhere in my comment did I state or imply that I think victory has been achieved, so stuff that criticism.
Maybe it’s simply that it just turned to Spring (Happy Equinox everyone!), but I’m feeling very optimistic.
I can’t watch any video of Obama, either. The hypocrisy is simply enormous.
You know, though, this thing simply won’t be “made better.” What you see is what you get. After spending all this time and energy, who on God’s green earth thinks that a majority of Senators or representatives will EVER visit the issue again? Besides, there will soon be a much bigger crisis crowding this one out, not to mention that the Democrats won’t be in power.
The votes that got Obama in aren’t there any more. :-) We’re in a very different world now.
Bare bones Social Security legislation actually held the seeds of an important program. This bill does not contain even baby steps toward real reform. In fact, it contains some things that will set back real reform. And no, I will not be silenced, no matter how abusively you behave. Pity you cannot manage to be civil in expressing your disagreement.
Ok, that’s cool.
I hope you’ll understand though that many don’t view this anything like Social Security, and see it as a step in the wrong direction. One that will make real reform impossible in the future.
What do I mean by real reform?? No man, woman, or child can justify an unnecessary middleman in the health care system that adds waste and takes profit from human suffering. No way in hell to justify that. And IMO this bill enthrenches that very thing for forever now. Only tinkering in the future will be about the subsidies and/or some regulation.
So, I hope you’ll understand that for those of us that see this bill that way, that our objections come from a passion for what’s right. Not to prove anyone wrong or wait for the perfect or any other stuff.
Face it. He’s a GOOPER. Always was. He should run on a different ticket in 2012 if he wishes to ‘remain true to himself’. Funny to see him quoting Lincoln here. He was happily gushing about Reagan and Tip O’Neill on St Patrick’s day. Gooper all the way.
He is a lying corporate tool.
I can’t stand him.
I can’t stand his arrogance. I can’t stand his lies. I can’t stand his blatant transparency that the masses gobble up like Mcdonald’s french fries. I can’t stand his war mongering. I can’t stand his backroom deals. I can’t stand his phoniness. I can’t stand him.
He had the country at his feet and he could have led with courage. He could have led for the people. Instead, we have a narcisstic power mongerer who cares more about his image and power then representing the American people.
I can’t stand him.
I can’t stand the sell-out dem enablers.
This whole thing has been twisted and sick beyond measure.
Fuck the dems.
Yeah, but what would you expect of a man who already wrote 2 (TWO) “books about myself” by his early-40′s? That’s some hubris he possesses.
Book Salon up at the Mothership with Catherine Lutz and Anne Lutz Fernandez’s Carjacked: The Culture of the Automobile and Its Effect on Our Lives hosted by Katie Alvord
Certainly could be my personal feeling impacting my perception. I doubt I’m immune from that.
I don’t know how Obama could come up with that Lincoln quote after he personally sold out Americans to a corrupt and money grubbing insurance cartel. The bullsh*t keeps getting thicker and thicker.
Comparisons between this bill and social sec. and/or medicare are a total false analogy. And thus a logical fallacy.
“I am bound to be true..” that’s really sick… “I didn’t campaign on a public option” – was that ‘true’ too? Filthy liar.
thx, I feel better. Seriously.
Very troublesome speech. I sense a real meglamania in Obama.
A very dangerous guy.
Obama is definitely a shill for the corporations. The Democrats and the Repugnants are nothing more than two wings of the same damn plutocratic party with neither representing the American people. I hope that a viable third party will be formed soon to shakeup the mess that our government has become.
Well said.
Obama idolizes Reagan. He is a hard core Gooper.
BTW, Tip was a Dem who is most likely spinning in his grave.
Two great acronyms from my Marine Corps days:
BOHICA & FUBAR
Never more relevant than they are today, even when I first became acquainted with them because I was 19 then and there was some hope.
But now, seeing the path we’re following.
What a fucking waste.
He’s rivaling Bush for most despicable character. And to think many of us thought we were finally past that 8 year nightmare.
Oh, please! How can you say that, not even baby steps? That kind of blindness and demand for purity will achieve little. I really don’t want to copy & paste the particulars of this bill, but I do encourage you to look it up and read it. It is progress.
OFG @ 42 Sorry, I just find your views too opaque.
Because the bill Dole offered up, looked much like Obama’s bill?
Too close to Harry and Louise.
“Baby, baby! Don’t be so mad! Those other political contributors I was sleeping with – they didn’t mean anything to me! I know it looks bad, baby, the dozens and dozens of them and all those explicit messages, but you’re the one I love. Trust me.”
Soc Sec is a public utility, this POS is privatized transfer of wealth with a death panel in charge.
This deal was done in August of last year, the NYT revealed it: Obama promised the hospitals there’d be no public option and the pharma companies there’d be no negotiation or reimportation. Everything since then has been kabuki, although Public Option was a very narrow thing.
They’ll certainly lose their precious Senator Michael Bennet over it, that’s for sure, with his stupid letter. Unless he offers Public Option on the floor of the Senate, he’s outta there.
bingo !
I remember FISA quite well. I was a Hillary supporter and cheered her vote against telecom immunity. Obama voted for FISA saying he was going to fix it after he got to the White House. Yeah, right, like he’s going to fix health care later. We haven’t heard a peep about fixing FISA and I doubt we’ll hear much about fixing HCR after it passes.
As Inigo Montoya would say, “I do not think it means what you think it means.”
I’m not old enough to remember the creation of HMOs; I imagine the feeling was about the same for liberals then, eh?
The flashbulbs are bright now, but I still think this bill will on balance cost the Democrats both houses (where they’d likely have only lost one) this November, and, even if Obama survives the 12 election, deeper congressional losses in ’12 (the economy’s still going to be well in the shitter).
I’d be fine with that if the bill was great–I find it honorable to lose in a worthy fight. But this–this–isn’t even a pyrrhic victory.
I’m starting to feel sorry for any of the saps that still think there’s a chance for the PO.
Please, do yourself a favor and think real.
Oh please! How can you say that, baby steps? Backwards you mean, since the abortion language sends us backwards and not forwards.
And health care?? The bill doesn’t provide health care to anyone. If you don’t understand that, perhaps you should read the bill. It only provides folks with an insurance policy. There are millions of folks right now that have insurance policies that still end up financially ruined when a devastating illness hits and/or still can’t afford actual health CARE because they can’t afford the co-pays and deductibles.
The only baby steps this bill takes is toward fascism, as it sets a brand new and dangerous precedent of the government forcing its citizens to purchase goods/services from a private, for profit entity. Right now, this second as I type this, there are lawyers and PR types from other industries that are trying to figure out how they can lobby Congress and the public to get their good/service to be considered such an important public good that it too be mandated.
Backwards on abortion rights, not forward on health care (only insurance), but forward on the march to fascism.
Was that too opaque?
Call me naive, but I can’t believe even Obama true-believers are falling for Reid’s PO shit-in-a-presentation-case lie.
I remember when the HMO’s began and I don’t recall much rejoicing.
It was like going to a bakery. You go in, get a number, wait for your number to be called (forget anyone knowing yoru name), spend five minutes with the plan doctor du jour, and off you go. Horrible.
BTW, I believe Nixon was the one.
By liberals, I mean good folks like you and me. True liberals, not beltway symps and frontrunners.
Here’s the deal with 2012: If Obama, as a Black Democrat, hasn’t been able to drive a spike through the heart of Social Security by then, he’ll be back in 2012 to make sure that the last bits of the safety net are shredded, thereby killing whatever is left of the already moribund Democratic party.
Sad, isn’t it.
IDo you think there’s any hope these people will check back to earth any time soon?
Or, are we looking at a few whacks in the head with a baseball bat for them to snap out of their stupor? After all the crap and backstabbing Obama and the Dems have done, I’m incredulous that anyone would still trust a single word these people say.
In the teeth of the Great Recession, Obama was bold (or naive) enough to take on HCR despite the “bad timing”…He adjusted HCR from a “coverage” proposal to a “cost saving” proposal (ex..individual mandate substituted childrens mandate) in order to move it forward (after passing the $800B stimulus package)…Despite facing every crosswind possible, such as: The Senate, ideological bloggers on left and right, Kennedy’s death, Scott Brown’s election, The Senate, Fox News, The Senate, The Hamsher/Norquist combo, Stupak, dire-predication-pollsters, The Senate…He’s on the verge of covering 32 million more Americans!…The folks here may not like the way Obama plays the game but.. at the end…he said ‘give me the ball!’…..Game over.
I don’t even get how some say he’s at least better than Bush. IMO he’s Bush Plus.
Torture and rendition, continued, and not only continued, but spent every bit of capital he has to ensure that those who broke the law won’t ever be held accountable. That Bush Plus.
The constitution, spent his capital arguing before the SCOTUS, and getting them to agree, that he, and he alone, can sign a piece of paper declaring a person a “non-person” and therefore ineligible for any and all constitutional rights. That’s Bush Plus.
War, he copies Bush exactly and does a surge in the face of growing opposition. Now maybe he gets credit for having not started one, but I believe he’s right now in the process of whipping one up on Iran. And if he does go to war with Iran, that’ll definitely be Bush Plus.
Wiretapping, tax cuts instead of real stimilus, etc. etc. etc. etc. I honestly, not being hyperbolic, do not see any improvement from Bush. This health care bill is almost exactly like Bush and the Republicans did Medicare Part D.
Sad it is. And truly amazing, IMO.
No doubt–he showed us, didn’t he?
That’s ok. His (and the Democrats in Congress that voted for this) day will come. Oh yes, their day will come. The first of those days will be this November. What joy I’m going to get from watching it too. And I’ve voted straight Democrat and come from a union family that’s supported Democrats for forever. My father would despair over these Democrats if he were still alive today.
Hell, this bill is Obama at his most liberal. God knows how hard he’s going to tack to the right for the midterms and 2012.
This guy said that firing the entire high school staff of a poor minority school was a good wake-up call and an effective means of holding teachers–TEACHERS–accountable. Meanwhile describing Jamie Dimon as a savvy fellow and a steady hand at the tiller. That’s this guy’s heart of hearts; that’s this guy with the mask off.
It will be entertaining as hell though watching Republican majorities in Congress attempt to impeach him.
Thank you David. Your work is amazing.
Harry Reid is talking about a public option again, vaguely promising something down the road. Nancy and Harry like to bring up the possibility of a public option whenever they need to whip their side or threaten the other side. It’s as if that was the plan all along, to use it as a whip or tool. Does look like Obama is going to get his historic healthcare victory in the end and people are cheering him again. Too bad the bill itself is a lemon. Maybe Harry’s just posturing for his election too.
Agree OFG— always look for your posts as you are so rational. I have a friend whose husband died last summer. He was on Medicare—she is fighting the government over a million dollar health care bill. Try fighting the gov—she is about to loose everything. Just having insurance of any kind does not mean you can afford the health care. This bill does nothing to take care of that.
Another issue that Jane highlighted in her health care myth article is another reason I oppose this bill. I know too many people that struggle just to keep afloat financially and the mandate to buy insurance will destroy them. They may have health insurance but they will have no home, food and on and on–
You HCR puritans remind of the stooges who refused to support Hubert Humphrey in 1968 because he wasn’t Gene McCarthy, thereby giving us the Sainted Richard M.
As Tbogg so artfully phrases it: grow the fuck up
Obama is a Gen Xer. As a Gen Xer myself, I can tell you my generation is reactionary. Granted, the Boomers sold out–but there are some vestigial traces of leftism there. The Gen Xers are corporatist wingers, man. That accounts for his harsh right wingness. I saw these folks in college. Disgusting.
Say what you want about puritans, mate, but they believed in welfare.
I will be eligible for Medicare in 2 years. There are around 80 million boomers…Of course the industry had to be bailed out! They will be losing so many of us. And as BO kept sayin’ “We will have a uniquely American way to reform!’ Yes we are unique, other countries have single payer where we have an industry dictating whether we live or die.
The “purist” epithet is so well-worn. 40 years old, in fact. Can’t you come up with something novel?
Obama is a boomer.
Boomers 1946 – 1964 (1955 – 1964 gen jones)
Gen X 1964 – 1982
Gen Y (millenials) 1982 – 2000
Totally agree. And agree on how he’s made so many of Bush’s disaster’s worse, besides making them policy now. I’ve been having trouble sleeping over all of it lately. It’s horrifying.
I was talking to a rabid Conservative woman yesterday who is furious we are still in Afghnaistan. Believe that?!
I said I’m Liberal and proud of it, and Obama’s no Liberal despite what the media says. He’s Bush’s third term plus ten. She laughed.
The guy has a Daddy complex. Looking for macho male approval, and doing it at any cost. This whole GD thing is about HIM! That’s the most narcissistic, dangerous kind of leader for any nation.
He’s an accomplished liar, a con man, who hates avereage Americans. He wants to be one of the elite’s, and that’s who he serves. Only them.
That punk went to Harvard and saw all the rich white boys and decided to wanna be. Well, now he’s making all those brats kiss his ass and he’s loving every minute of it.
The terrible thing is we are his victims, his pawns, being robbed from all sides, while he funnels all of it over to them.
I could go on but I’d just be ranting.
I believe Kos is calling, better hustle on over there.
This crap bill isn’t “being true” to anyone or anything except the recipients of Obama’s backroom deals. I am so thoroughly disgusted with the rabid sycophantic loyalist drivel currently all over the blogosphere in support of this essentially Republican bill. I see no difference between their fact-free hero-worship and the lunacy of the teabaggers. I really have to sit down an assess why I should even care anymore.
I like your analysis.
That thought has scrambled through my mind, but you put it into words I couldnt pin down. Thank you for that.
Thanks Debbierlus, Dayden, everyone here. I came here last year and didn’t really add any comments till the health care debate began in the fall.
Only here and Corrente do I feel coherent. The rest of the media and blog world seems like some Orwellian nightmare.
This bill is a big lie. Obama is a big lie, and I had some hope when he won in 08. Then the warning signs, the conservative cabinet, the disregard for the progressive activists that got him elected…. then the financial criminality of Geithner…. the backroom deals….
Like you I find his rhetoric offensive, narcissistic and dangerous.
We’ll carry on, but this is a really profound betrayal of the people he pretends to represent.
Absolutetly agree.
That’s the thing that totally blows my mind. That Democrats are putting forward a bill like this blows my mind too, as this time last year I NEVER would’ve envisioned huge Democratic majorites coming up with a corporate bill like this. But what has blown my mind even more is just what you said. All the folks on this side that are just blindly supporting such a POS bill simply because it was done by huge Democratic majorities.
Never would’ve beleived either of those things to occur if you’d told me this is how it would’ve played out last year. Never. Had to see it for myself, and the whole sad thing still seems surreal to me.
Thanks. Piss and vinegar works for me! Peace–
Correction:
“What do I have to do today to get you into this car(you know lemon right before purchase and you know your grand-child will drive this lemon too in a decade) bill?”
Well, despite the numbness and depression brought on by the realization that our country is officially now a fascist state, the ensuing collapse of the economy, our health, civility and public order are going to be fascinating to watch. Historic indeed Mr. Obama.
I’m with OldFatGuy, Clemenza, and others about Obama being Bush. I just think the easiest way to describe him is Bush on Steroids.
Maybe it’s just because I dislike him so much, but does anyone else get a whiff of Mussolini when Obummer sort of raises his chin and looks down at everyone, with a frown on his face? I remember seeing that look during his inauguration special on HBO, when Bono said something before “City of Blinding Lights” about the Palestinians, and Obummer got that look. And even though I was on a kool aid drip at that point about the guy, a part of me said, “He looks like an asshole”. I even kept that special tivo’d and used to get teary eyed about it. Seems like 100 years ago.
Obama – Worse President than even Bush