I’ve been following along on my twitter feed during the series of speeches, but we’re getting very close to the final votes.
After the end of all the speeches, there will be a vote, I believe, on the Senate bill, HR 3590. After that, without any time for debate in between, there will be a vote on the reconciliation bill. Both are expected to pass, with (I would guess) 218 or 219 votes.
So that’s the schedule. We’ll have voting soon, I’ll be around to tally.
Big thanks to everyone following along, commenting, and checking in to contact me over this last week. You kept me going.
…I would expect speeches from John Boehner and Nancy Pelosi before the first vote. I’ve seen no evidence that there will be a motion to recommit, though I suppose it’s possible. In that case, there would be three votes to go.
…Here’s John Boehner. “I rise tonight with a sad and heavy heart.” I say he pulls a Glenn Beck (and cries, not pulls out the blackboard).
…And the House turns into the British Parliament for a moment, with the shouts back and forth.
…Boehner’s losing it, thinks he’s a preacher, doing call-and-response.
…Apparently, there will be a motion to recommit, but only AFTER the Senate bill, which shows what a transparent farce it is for Republicans to submit it, since health care will be the law of the land after the Senate bill passes.
…Boehner tries to back the Dems into a corner by getting a one-by-one recorded vote (there’s a public roll call afterward, I see no point), David Obey smacks him down.
…Remember, Boehner told his caucus earlier today to “behave like grownups.”
…Boehner calls the bill “a ticket to minority status.”
…Boehner yields back to resounding applause from white men on his side of the aisle. The Speaker appears.
…Pelosi getting a standing ovation. “Tonight we will make history for our country.”
…Says we wouldn’t be here without the leadership of President Obama (and I distinctly heard a couple boos)
…Mentions the health care investments in the stimulus and the budget. True, there was money for health IT and community health centers in that legislation.
…”I believe this legislation will unleash tremendous entreprenurial power into our economy…. someone can change jobs without losing health insurance.”
…”Health care system right now is unsustainable, we simply cannot afford it… best action we can take on behalf of family budgets and the federal budget is to pass health care reform.”
….Pelosi explaining the legislation again. I’m watching this on CSPAN, assuming the cable nets are covering it.
…”After this legislation, being a woman will no longer be a pre-existing medical condition.”
…after thanking the Academy, Pelosi brings up Ted Kennedy, “who made health care his life’s work.” He reads some of the letter Kennedy left to be read after his death.
….OK, now we’ll just hear from Eric Massa and then we’ll start voting.
…OK, so the vote for HR3590, to alter the homebuyer’s tax credit and… other purposes. Mostly other purposes.
…Here we go, we’re on a 15 minute vote. This is the first of three. This is a vote on the Senate bill.
…Wow, people got on their electronic devices in a hurry. 153 Yes votes already.
…174-145 so far.
…20 Democrats voting no thus far, they can afford 37.
…216 needed for passage, Dems at 180.
…Voting has slowed a bit. It’s 184-160 right now, 22 Democrats have voted no. 47 Dems have not voted, 32 more needed for passage.
…196 yes votes so far, 216 needed for passage.
…27 no votes so far, Dems can afford 37…
…202-182…
8 votes now needed for passage. 208 in as Yea.
209-193…
214, 2 left for passage…
And there it is, 216 votes have been reached, HR 3590 has passed.
…As I thought, this will top out at 218 or 219.
…David Obey reads the final tally, 219 Yes, 212 No.
…Now we have the vote on the reconciliation bill. Steny Hoyer brings it up.
…Dave Camp is now bringing the motion to recommit forward. This was expected. The minority often does this to make the majority take a tough vote. Keep in mind that health care, in the Senate bill, has passed. The GOP is doing this mainly to make a point.
The Democrats have no idea what is in the motion to recommit.
…Camp signals that the motion to recommit has to do with abortion funding, but nobody has read it.
…I guess we’ll have an up-or-down vote on abortion funding, after all. We’ll see how the anti-choicers on the Democratic side play this one out.
…Joe Pitts and Chris Smith, rabid anti-choice GOPers, talking about this. Keep in mind that a vote for this is a vote to delay the reconciliation bill, which cancels out all those “special deals” about which you’ve been hearing.
…Hoyer notes that this motion is inconsistent with reconciliation, would be thrown out, bringing us back to the House, where they would bring it up again.
…Stupak hits the mic: “This motion is nothing more than an opportunity to deny 32 million Americans health care.” OK, so we know what he’ll do.
…Stupak – Bart Stupak – says this motion is to “politicize life.” Well, he would know.
…OK, there will be a recorded vote on the motion to recommit. Given Stupak’s outburst, a No vote is expected to carry.
…You can find the roll call for the last vote here.
…Here are the No votes:
Adler, Altmire, Arcuri, Barrow, Berry, Boren, Boucher, Bright, Chandler, Childers, A.Davis, L.Davis, C.Edwards, Herseth Sandlin, Holden, Kissell, Kratovil, Lipinski, Lynch, Marshall, Matheson, McIntyre, McMahon, Melancon, Minnick, Nye, Peterson, Ross, Shuler, Skelton, Space, Tanner, Taylor, Teague
That’s pretty much exactly what I expected and consistent with all public statements. Costello must have been part of the Stupak bloc, because he flipped to Yes. He was the only questionable one to me. The whip count was so precise and intense that there wasn’t any chance for any member to change from their public stance.
…OK, the motion to recommit is going to fail. There are already 225 no votes against it. There will be a final vote on the reconciliation bill, coming up.
…The motion to recommit fails 199-232. Obey moves immediately to passage on the reconciliation bill.
…And the Reconciliation bill passes. 217 votes are already on it. This bill now goes to the Senate, where it will get a vote within days, according to Harry Reid. He claims that there are 52 names on his letter, willing to pass the sidecar. This means that the reconciliation fixes, and student loan reform, will become the law of the land, if it passes.
More on all that tomorrow. For now, good night.



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You’ve rocked the house, David.Kudos, and many thanks for us all informed.
Thanks David, for all of your hard work on this. FDL has truly become (as many newbies have commented) the place to come for solid information.
Now I hope we can keep it civil in the next few days and not have wars in the threads again.
Thanks again David for all your amazing work.
…Here’s John Boehner. “I rise tonight with a sad and heavy heart.” I say he pulls a Glenn Beck (and cries, not pulls out the blackboard).
Boner – whadda dick.
David, thanks for the yeoman-like work covering this. Grazie mille!
There’s my congresswoman, not that you’d notice. Too busy being speaker.
Your whip count shaped the past two weeks on Capitol Hill, David. More than any other.
Boehner: “I rise tonight with a deep and artificial tan . . .”
dday, jon w .. the real media
btw is this bullshit the fuck over yet?
LOL!! 707!!1!1!
David “don’t need no stinking sleep” Dayen – great work.
yep. We’re very lucky.
And by the way, I don’t care if he decided to vote “yes” I will be campaigning against Joe Donnelly (he’s my rep) in the fall, just because he aligned with Stupidpak.
The one bright spot about passing this bill is that when the Dems take a drubbing in the fall, it will (deservedly) be blamed on the party leadership. If the bill were to be defeated, and the Dems take a drubbing in the fall for being incompetent, the Dem establishment would scapegoat Progressives. At least with passage, Progressives remain in a position to fight for real reform in the future instead of being sacrificed on the altar of beltway bullshit.
How does Boner’s tan appeal to his sunstarved Ohio constituents? Seems to me he’d be better off without it. Rather elitist.
The real thing!! Really!!
Your coverage of this was outstanding. Thank you!
Phony tans seem to be all the rage. That dude campaigning against McCain’t, Hayworth (??) had one, too. Figure he’s aiming to be Boner’s understudy in the tan marathon.
As a “newbie”, I can say that msmolly you speak the truth. I swear I learn more here by accident than other places by design.
To David and everyone else (commenters too) who gives so freely of their time and knowledge, thank you so much.
I’ve been thinking tonight as I’ve spent the day with C-Span listening to both sides of the aisle, that I’m looking forward to the future because I think this atrocity of a bill might just snap people out of their complacent slumber when they realize that no matter which major party they have affilliated themselves with, they’ve been had.
jeebus – tell me the fucking R’s didn’t just get up and walk out on The Speaker….
Except that the media is carrying Republican’s water. Accordingly, the fascist HCR bill is socialist and therefore the fault of liberals which include the Party Leaders. The media will report that the leadership was doing what the liberals ordered.
Won’t matter. The Dems are toast.
Welcome, Kimbers. Hope you stick around. We’re like a family here — we get to know each other, and become virtual friends — we also squabble like siblings, sometimes. Hope you stick around after the HCR brouhaha calms down.
You’re kidding, right?
*waves to jayt from up north in SBN*
Suck on this, Stupak. A lot of good all that grandstanding did. Ha!
Maybe it isn’t a tan. Maybe he isn’t a real human being.
Dunno how anyone can stand to look at Boner. He is the creepiest looking mofo i’ve ever seen in my life. how can even puke teabaggers .. ah, gah.
I was only listening, not watching. Did they really go before NP finished talking?
Is this the FINAL vote?
It is the tan and the hair. Both show bad decision making skills.
Maybe he isn’t a real human being.
I thought that was classified. Looks like Boner Security has been breached.
Tan in a can… with a double martini.
The Dem political capital budget is way overdrawn. From the Vietnam War to the Middle East War, from cutting the safety net and giving Wall street the national treasury the cost for this program is unaccountable. No progressive legislation has a chance in the near site. When Obama and Emanuel are finished with us we will be part of the third world and the corporatist will rule with an “Iron Hand” like Garabaldi when he unified Italy. They own the military and we are living very close to a police state as seen by Amy Goodman at the presidential conventions.
sure looked to me that as Pelosi finished her speech, the camera got a brief shot of an empty R side…
(*waving back*)
Somehow that reminds me of “Is this your final answer?”
Wow. Just WOW. Is this behaving like grownups?
They do need sound effects during the vote.
They’re voting on the Senate bill. Vote on the reconciliation “fix” comes later.
I’d like to think my heart is a tad heavier than Boehner’s. On the bright side, this ordeal is over.
Thanks for the great reporting. So glad I could come here instead of turning on MSNBC or even CSPAN to watch the whole mess, myself.
He looks like a mannequin. Every single time I see him, that’s what pops into my head.
After thanking the Academy? Okay. That’s funny.
Mannequins have like totally empty heads. Totally.
Grownup Republicans, apparently. I’d be surprised if they conducted themselves in any other way.
How to be a hero:
a. get together in a voting bloc with 5 of your yes to no friends
b. all vote no, then run out, don’t talk to anyone
c. instantly become famous and have a press conference and press release monday announcing in detail why this bill is unacceptable and not socialist enough. Explain that you had to sabotage in order to be sure it would fail.
d. rail against Obama’s bs the rest of your term
I hope I’m proven wrong on being against this Bill.
Other than the horrific image of Luke Russert babbling on MSNBC, it’s all going along according to plan. Now the real fun begins.
The discovery process and SURPRISE! part of this POS will be all the rage. the republicans will be on all of it, and as people like me, needing insurance, but having a pre-existing find out how fucked they are, the groundwork will be laid for Dear Leader to be giving congrats calls to all the new far right republicans that will win in the fall.
Along with the surprise part of this clusterfuck, there will be the inevitable insurance company “interpretation” of the new regulations and their escape clauses that they themselves made sure were in the POS.
LOL. Did you see Hayworth on Rachel last week? He is even smarmier (is that a word?) than Boner. He has a smirk to go with the tan. Ugh.
I feel like that, too. I have to admit watching the repugs squirm is fun. They think they are soooooooo special.
Everyone knows this bill is a disaster. The only thing to do now is to push just as hard as possible and take advantage of the opening it’s creating. This is not the finish line, it’s the starting line.
and btw .. expect serious grand post-loss theatrics from the pukes (like the drama-queen homos they are/aren’t)
expect all MSM nuffin but oh noes, hurty pukes
lesson of this whole thing: msm must be destroyed, rupert murdoch esp is destroying our country
why should he destroy us, why can’t we destroy him?
May I second that kind sentiment. Welcome!
I saw part of it. Couldn’t take the entire interview. What a dick weed!
208/187 with 4:11 remaining
Thanks
Minwax’s Antique Maple Gel Stain comes to mind.
Yup and yup.
If you had to defend a relationship with Jack Abramoff, smarm would be my recommendation.
(is that a word?)
fwiw, I have always refused to let the mere fact that a word doesn’t technically exist stop me from using it anyway….
214 yea
And by electronic device Frankenstein is created.
“It lives!” cries speaker Bela Pulosi.
And 216. One down.
Nah, sorry. You’re right, sadly. I’m certainly standing by my opposition to it.
It is done. Bottles are popping open all over board rooms in HC land.
Just cause computer people don’t use that word doesn’t mean you can’t.
216
Great job, Dave. Really. Greg Sargent told me today that the GOP leadership was following your whip count as the “most authoritative.”
Consider blaming AHIP, please.
BINGO!
Whatever supercalisocialistic health care legislation is being frothed out by the insipid teevee and Congressional bobbleheads has little to do with the ground-level reality that will gradually be revealed.
Obviously The Plan is to draw-out that Big Reveal for as long as possible. Anything after 2012 will do fine.
Pelosi misspoke. She meant ““Tonight we will make our country history.”
Can we fix it now?
Fox news has the sound from the House floor, all the cheering and applauding.
CNN has the sound of Wolf Blitzer.
C-SPAN still had the sound off.
Hayworth. He’s got that used car salesman look goin’ on…
The only health these people ever cared for was the health of the sickness industry.
This is Bullsh*t Barry’s Iraq War.
I wonder if he’ll do a photo op at some clinic, surrounded by sick kids and doctors in lab coats, and pronounce “In the battle of health reform, the United States and its allies have prevailed.”
Mission Accomplished.
And great job to you, Jane. You’re my hero forever. I mean it.
given that there are 200 amendments that were Republican – why was this not emphasized? And Stupak deserves no respect for being such a hold out and holding all health care hostage
Good job Dave. Alot of work.
And it’s official! Dems are highfiving each other and jubilant as they finally pass something. That’ll be it until 2012. Pelosi? Turn out the lights now as you head home for your parade.
fuck you, set-for-life Obama
MSNBC has the sound from the floor.
Same here. I hope I was waay wrong.
219
HAHAHA. And the hair, the HAIR.
(Not sure I can stay around for the finish. It’s painful. Or maybe I go get another little bit of Shiraz in my glass…)
We do a better whip count than Congress. Who knew.
I better hear a bill that fixes this is in the works tomorrow, or everyone one of you who said that they will fix it and gave political cover will owe the American people an apology.
ES are you serious and that gullible? They have sold the farm where is the room to fix? What fix please.
The only thing to do now is to push just as hard as possible and take advantage of the opening it’s creating. This is not the finish line, it’s the starting line.
Have a good time! :-)
and set-for-life Congress
srsly, fuck all of you sideways
219 212 passed
Especially if it is colorful and easily deciphered…
lol…. please!
Wow! That’s saying something.
Yeah, before I forget: Thanks David, for your excellent coverage!
Damn you, I really shouldn’t be laughing at stuff like this. :))
Thanks everybody! We live to fight another day!
no member of the Obama family will ever want for anything
nor members of Congress
that’s what it’s about, folks
SIGH
How about now? Now? Now?
Yeah, I know how that works. Never going to get fixed.
Anyone know what’s in the Republican motion to recommit?
The only good thing about this bill is that by the time it all comes into play, the US will probably have gone the way of the former Soviet Union. So we probably won’t ever see it come into play. That is pretty depressing from every angle, but even that is better than paying the IRS fines for being poor.
Ha ha! I am serious and not that gullible.
Just practicing my new jingle.
It’s a long way from single-payer. This agreement was probably made at the time of the election, then scripted and played out for us over the past year. Got to keep that carrot in view.
LOL!
I iz a computer people. We use all kindz of wurdz.
wire hangers
Unfortunately I expect to hear snippets of that, Dean Scream-style, in GOP ads for some time to come.
No public option + Obama fellating Stupak = I don’t give a wet shit whether this passed or not.
The IRS. Now that’s a popular item in this bill. I can see the government commercials already.
Dinky the IRS Imp sez….”Pay UP FUCKERS!”
“Defend these children”?
Fuck you, Repu’ublicist asshat.
Anyone know what’s in the Republican motion to recommit?
apparently it’s about abortion.
on edit:
and reinstating the Stupak amendment.
me, too. jquery!
Oh just plain fuck these patriarchs.
srsly, 2014.
screams horribly bad faith. guess others have seen sexy wet kisses. go figure.
I care. I care that they pass this crap and by doing so completely fritter away the opportunity of a generation to give us universal access to affordable healthcare like a developed country.
Thanks for all of your hard work, David, from a brand new registered member. You followed the nitty-gritty so I didn’t have to. I appreciate it.
Unborn lives will be lost?
I don’t even know what that means.
Bad policy makes bad politics.
What’s coming the Dem’s way isn’t going to be pretty.
Way to go, David! My eyeballs were glued to your counts all weekend.
Barack Stupakerbreath Obama.
Could not have said it better myself. Dirty, miserable, spineless bastards. I think I’ll join Rush in Costa Rica.
A zygote is a “person.”
Costa Rica has universal health care!
And, one more time: What did Stupak really get? Executive order, my ass!
I hate the bill, I hate many provisions, I hate the mandate, I hate no public option, I hate the delay in the reforms, I hate that our “progressives” caved, one by one. But I have two asthmatic granddaughters, so this bill frees my son-in-law to find other employment if he needs to, without the preexisting condition vulture hovering over their health insurance benefits.
And I just love the thumb in the eye of the Republicans.
A big thanks to this site and all involved. I have been a lurker, banished from that other place….
Thank you David, Jon and Jane.
While this insanity was playing out I went to a local Dem candidate promotion for state lege. Nice hispanic lady that does support my issues on housing. Then added another 6 inches to my planter height and other garden stuff. Planted tomatoes redressed the redwood boards on the 8×8 foot planter. No time to waste on these hookers.
We can vote Rush off la vida pura when we get there.
As a segue, ABC News Jake Crapper Tapper reports that Obama is superstitious. Ever since he lost to Hillary Clinton in New Hampshire, he doesn’t take anything for granted.
Oh, this is interesting. The Dems are using Stupak to argue against the motion to recommit. Very clever.
anyway, get ready for corp media tomorrow. Obama has destroyed america and re-invaded dixie. just watch these bastards.
This is truly a WTF moment against which to measure all subsequent WTFs:
A New York Times “ALERT!” just informed me that “House Approves Landmark Bill to Extend Health Care to Millions”.
And the normally sane Guardian is comparing this to the New Deal and to the Civil Rights legislation of the 1960s.
Behold, my friends, the manifest power of spin and corruption.
Omigawd, Bart’s against the motion! Must-see-TV!
I hope those lying, supposed “Democrats” lose this November in a major historic way. And it would be frosting on the cake if Obama loses in 2012. They have done EVERYTHING they can to deserve it.
Fucking assholes.
Welcome, davidasposted. We’re a family here with big arms. Happy to have you.
The real question is one of whether or not any sort of popular unity can be assembled in the next three years or so to confront the political class on its massive sellout.
The one who unregulated vaginae bothers speaks now.
Agreed. In fact, could be a blessing in disguise to have this thing pass…because when it starts to stink, not just in theory but in real time…for real people…great wake up call re: understanding how deeply entrenched the corruption is:
“We will not, especially in the United States, avoid our Götterdämmerung. Obama, like Canada’s Prime Minister Stephen Harper and the other heads of the industrialized nations, has proven as craven a tool of the corporate state as George W. Bush. Our democratic system has been transformed into what the political philosopher Sheldon Wolin labels inverted totalitarianism. Inverted totalitarianism, unlike classical totalitarianism, does not revolve around a demagogue or charismatic leader. It finds expression in the anonymity of the corporate state. It purports to cherish democracy, patriotism, a free press, parliamentary systems and constitutions while manipulating and corrupting internal levers to subvert and thwart democratic institutions. Political candidates are elected in popular votes by citizens but are ruled by armies of corporate lobbyists in Washington, Ottawa or other state capitals who author the legislation and get the legislators to pass it.”
“We Stand on the Cusp of One of Humanity’s Most Dangerous Moments” Chris Hedges
http://www.alternet.org/media/146005/we_stand_on_the_cusp_of_one_of_humanity%27s_most_dangerous_moments
We do a lot of things better than Congress.
I want to see the Sargeant-at-Arms get an order or two before the night is out.
Wow, this is an interesting twist with Stupak calling b.s. on the GOP.
My, oh, my.
Bob Stupak is Michael Moore’s congressman?!?
Another case of truth stranger than fiction.
Bart Stupak as HCR savior. Now I’ve seen everything.
My son has asthma, too. The pre-existing condition thing is the only decent thing in the bill. Unfortunately, with no cost control we won’t be able to pay for his insurance soon, let alone the co-pays.
so Stupak gets to have is cake, eat it and an extra scoop of icecream. He gets the Obama EO, he looks like a hero to anti-abortion; then he votes for the health bill and then gets to define the reconcilation from the Republican’s motion to recommit, which would kill it.
The Republicans must be crushed by this move. Wonder if they saw it coming. He’s giving cover for all abortion opponents who voted for the health bill to stay with the Dems.
Wow.
Stupak up.
for a brief moment there, he sounded like something of a Democrat.
(not for long though)
Never seen anything like this.
The backroom sexual favors he got for this must be simply staggering…
So now the Democratic Party is officially a forced birth party. That’s all I needed to know.
Did I just hear Stupak, shoot down some anti-choice Republicans (and all Republicans, in general) for trying to “re-commit” in order to defeat the health insurance bill?
Beyond weirdly, Yes you did.
As Mr. Dooley famously said: “Politics ain’t beanbag.”
Reinvaded Dixie. Heh.
Thanks! I genuinely appreciate the welcome, too! Hopefully I can get a diary or two up soon and contribute more substantially to the FDL community.
Agree
Do you think your relative will be able to buy it? Or will the new employer pay it? Just wondering how that works.
No. He lost his lifetime anti-abortion rating from some coat hanger group. They think he folded–he may now be a pariah to both sides. All he needs is a teabagger candidate challenging him from the right, because his left flank has drawn a primary candidate. He will learn that republicans will vote for republicans, no matter how many foot massages he gives them.
Thanks.
One might think one was not … lucid.
The affirmation is appreciated.
LOL. Do you guys really think things wouldn’t be much, much worse under a R majority?
32 million. 32 million. How did this number come about? Will we be looking at this number a year from now and compare it with the miserable number of loan modifications?
It is great that pre-existing was kept for children, but why tortured by this incremental change? I was promised ALL pre-existing would be gone. It was a story told to me by a serial coporatist tool president.
Agreed, but the news is even worse: the opportunity wasn’t there to fritter, and this painful telenovela (not yet over) proves how underdeveloped the U.S. has become, in “safe” bipartisan neoliberal hands, during the living memory of boomers like myself. The road back to democracy is a lot steeper than some of us were ready to think. Concentration of capital does that, but the strain of infusing the system with fresh surplus value is getting unbearable for the planet, so we need to get intellectually limber and socially connected for the real opportunities ahead.
He needs to be retired one way or the other.
Well there you go. The Progressives got played and the Players got paid.
That Frum dude said this HCR was basically an old Republican plan–virtually no difference.
There is more in the world than HCR, wouldn’t you say?
It’s all about the schadenfreude, not R’s overlording.
jane & dday – GREAT work.
this bill suck$, except for the professional managerial class of parasites who’ll be profiting from the morass of idiotic rules
AND the thieving fascists.
rmm.
I know, I shouldn’t take the bait. Sorry.
excellently put.
ABC News reports that the threshold for receiving gubmint insurance subsidies for families is for those with income under $88,000.00 per year. My family will qualify. Surely my premiums will rise commensurate with the amount of the subsidy.
Jon’s next post is upstairs.
walker has Health Care Bill Passed, 219-212; Vote on Reconciliation Fixes to Follow upstairs
Some teabagger is advocating Obama’s assination via twitter. The FBI is investigating it.HERE
I have a theory that I tell some friends that obviously think is wacked.
If Mccain won, the republican party would of been out for generations. but it would of been the medicine that the country would need to get rid of the conservative disease. After seeing Obama in action, it would of been not as bad as one would think to have the old nut as president. He would of started up the draft, which would of ended the war, he would of helped Wall Street in the same way, and health care would be a non-issue as there would be none.
But the result would of been a rock-dead solid republican party, and the nation would continue it’s swing left.
But we have Obama, a person who LOVES republicans. He alone can be credited with breathing life back into the on the slab republican party in 2008.
Guess we better get busy repealing the HI antitrust exemption then, huh?
David, you have done some excellent work here, thanks so much. It’s been painful to watch it unfold, don’t know how you managed it sometimes. And many thanks to Jon Walker, and of course, Jane.
It will be interesting to see what develops wrt how the sell-outs will campaign this coming summer and fall.
From David Frum:
I’d take top level Mayo Clinic health care (like that real representative *kof*koff* CSPAN caller) if I were forced to I suppose…
Had outpatient surgery at Cedars Sinai once in mid 90′s… solid walnut cabinetry in the prep and post surg. suites
What it’s about is accountability.
You shit on your base, you need to be accountable.
You don’t hold them accountable for shitting on the base, then they’ll continue to shit on the base for as long as they like.
Accountability.
If this current clusterfook time in history isn’t enough to arouse the great unwashed masses, what is?
DING!
It was written by a WellPoint executive, and the insurance industry until recently donated largely, if not exclusively, to Republicans. One of the motivations behind the May 11, 2009 deal that killed the public option was to keep insurance and pharma money flowing the Dems’ way — or at least not into attack ads against the Dems.
Worse yet, the repeal of the pre-existing bans doesn’t take effect until 2014 — and the pool of money set aside to cover pre-existing conditions until then runs out in late 2011 or early 2012.
All well and good.. but now comes the REAL hard part!
In my state Medicaid is bankrupting county governments.
Medicare is predicted to be broke by 2017 and Social Security in 2037.
How the F%$K are we going to pay for this?.. WITHOUT putting ourselves into unsustainable debt or taxing ourselves into an economic depression?
Hate to be a party pooper.. but its a reality we are going to have to face …probably sooner than later.
Example of another problem of more immediate worry.. the Doc fix bill passed last November will soon expire… well before this November’s elections
If not renewed, physicians will stop accepting Medicare patients before the November elections..and there will be hell to pay… as seniors start getting turned way..just as the Republicans predicted.
But.. if it IS renewed before November,.. you can be sure that the Republicans will point to that and say that the fact that it wasn’t included in THIS bill is proof that the numbers for this bill were fudged re the CBO.
It’s going to be a lose-lose situation… just before the elections ..when they are ALREADY too many people fired up and angry as hell.
So..what is the solution?
Anyone have any ideas?
OK, the House has passed the reconciliation bill– but what is in it? And will the Senate pass it?
Bob in AZ
The industry responds negatively to the bill. Apparently they don’t see it as a welcome corporare giveaway after all:
Chamber: ‘Wrong And Unfortunate Decision’
The U.S. Chamber of Commerce: “The House made a wrong and unfortunate decision that ignores the will of the American people.”
Insurers: Bill Will ‘Exacerbate’ Health Care Costs
The health insurance industry group AHIP released an extremely brief statement: “The access expansions are a significant step forward, but this legislation will exacerbate the health care costs crisis facing many working families and small businesses.”
Single Payer..Tell the rich they have to throw in some of their loot as the price of citizenship..
It isn’t the cost of care. It is trying to provide it with insufficient citizen participation funding and a 30% rake off to support an unnecessary industry, the health insurance industry.