UPDATE: CNN says Stupak’s not quite a Yes yet. I’ll throw the numbers at the bottom including what we know about Brian Baird. Here’s the press release on that.
Reuters is now confirming that Bart Stupak will vote for the health care bill. That’s the end of the line here. Stupak will bring along a number of his bloc with him, perhaps all of it. If everyone in my Stupak bloc votes for the bill, that would put Democrats at 215. And Brian Baird’s office just confirmed that he’s voting for the bill. That’s 216. And even if a couple more-Stupak-than-Stupak dead-enders hold out, some soft undecideds like Foster and Michaud are likely to come around.
Health care reform will pass today. The Senate bill will become law of the land, and the reconciliation sidecar will go to the Senate, where Democrats have assurances that they can muster 50 votes to pass. Mitch McConnell claims the Republicans will gum up the works during the reconciliation deliberations, including making dozens of amendments and also using points of order to try and get the Parliamentarian to knock out pieces of the bill. If they succeed in deleting any one line, then the reconciliation bill would have to go back to the House for one final vote and passage.
We still don’t know what Stupak got from his vote, whether an executive order or other assurances. This has been a clarifying experience in terms of the anti-choice movement within the Democratic Party. The pro-choice movement has a lot of soul-searching to do, and must steel themselves for future fights.
| Voted | Retiring | Stupak | PVI | No | Stupak | Unknown | Leaning Yes | Yes | |||
| Aye | Nay | ||||||||||
| Definite No (29): | |||||||||||
| 1 | Adler, John | X | R+1 | 1 | |||||||
| 2 | Barrow, John | X | D+2 | 1 | |||||||
| 3 | Boren, Dan | X | R+14 | 1 | |||||||
| 4 | Bright, Bobby | X | R+16 | 1 | |||||||
| 5 | Chandler, Ben | X | R+9 | 1 | |||||||
| 6 | Childers, Travis | X | R+14 | 1 | |||||||
| 7 | Davis, Artur | X | D+18 | 1 | |||||||
| 8 | Edwards, Chet | X | R+20 | 1 | |||||||
| 9 | Herseth-Sandlin, Stephanie | X | R+9 | 1 | |||||||
| 10 | Holden, Tim | X | R+6 | 1 | |||||||
| 11 | Kissell, Larry | X | R+2 | 1 | |||||||
| 12 | Kratovil, Frank | X | R+13 | 1 | |||||||
| 13 | Marshall, Jim | X | R+10 | 1 | |||||||
| 14 | McIntyre, Mike | X | R+3 | 1 | |||||||
| 15 | McMahon, Michael | X | R+4 | 1 | |||||||
| 16 | Melancon, Charlie | X | R | R+12 | 1 | ||||||
| 17 | Minnick, Walt | X | R+18 | 1 | |||||||
| 18 | Peterson, Collin | X | R+6 | 1 | |||||||
| 19 | Ross, Mike | X | R+7 | 1 | |||||||
| 20 | Shuler, Heath | X | R+6 | 1 | |||||||
| 21 | Skelton, Ike | X | R+14 | 1 | |||||||
| 22 | Taylor, Gene | X | R+20 | 1 | |||||||
| 23 | Arcuri, Mike | X | R+1 | 1 | |||||||
| 24 | Lynch, Stephen | X | D+8 | 1 | |||||||
| 25 | Teague, Harry | X | R+6 | 1 | |||||||
| 26 | Altmire, Jason | X | R+6 | 1 | |||||||
| 27 | Space, Zack | X | R+7 | 1 | |||||||
| 28 | Matheson, Jim | X | R+15 | 1 | |||||||
| 29 | Nye, Glenn | X | R+6 | 1 | |||||||
| Potential No-Yes Flips (3): | |||||||||||
| 1 | Boucher, Rick | X | R+11 | 1 | |||||||
| 2 | Davis, Lincoln | X | R+14 | 1 | |||||||
| 3 | Tanner, John | X | R | R+6 | 1 | ||||||
| Potential Yes-No Flips (5): | |||||||||||
| 1 | Foster, Bill | X | R+1 | 1 | |||||||
| 2 | Kanjorski, Paul | X | D+4 | 1 | |||||||
| 3 | Michaud, Mike | X | D+5 | 1 | |||||||
| 4 | Pomeroy, Earl | X | R+10 | 1 | |||||||
| 5 | Sanchez, Loretta | X | D+5 | 1 | |||||||
| Stupak Block (9): | |||||||||||
| 1 | Costello, Jerry | X | S | D+3 | 1 | ||||||
| 2 | Donnelly, Joe | X | S | R+4 | 1 | ||||||
| 3 | Driehaus, Steve | X | S | D+1 | 1 | ||||||
| 4 | Lipinski, Dan | X | S | D+11 | 1 | ||||||
| 5 | Stupak, Bart | X | S | R+3 | 1 | ||||||
| 6 | Berry, Marion | X | S | R+8 | 1 | ||||||
| 7 | Dahlkemper, Kathy | X | S | R+3 | 1 | ||||||
| 8 | Mollohan, Alan | X | S | R+9 | 1 | ||||||
| 9 | Rahall, Nick | X | S | R+6 | 1 | ||||||
| Committed Votes | |||||||||||
| Democratic | 207 | ||||||||||
| Republican | 178 | ||||||||||
| TOTAL | 207 | 9 | 8 | 0 | 207 | ||||||





68 Comments


Support this site!
Subscribe to the newsletter
Advertise on Firedoglake
Send
us your tips
Make us your homepage
About FDL News Desk
Bullseye, thank you.
I wonder if Kos knew about castrating choice before he caved?
Boo, did you get my link about ‘power’ the other day?
I’ve never voted Republican and never will but this is one time I truly hope they succeed in bringing this atrocity of legislation down.
I know the catholic bishops last night urged a “no” vote. Would be interesting to know if they were given a peek at the Executive Order language, and what their response was.
I apologize, I did not. I do a lot of drivebys.
johncasper at hotmail dot com if you have time. No problem if you don’t.
I completely agree with you.
WTF happened to the teabagger thread?
When did FDL become a right-wing blog?
Working with Katherine Lopez? NRO? Grover Norquist? Siding with Republicans?
You guys have lost it. You’re not progressives. You’re babies.
I am seriously going to be doing some third party shopping. I dislike the Republican party since I’m not a free marketer and have no desire to tell people when to marry or procreate. However, since women’s choice is no longer as much a platform issue for Dems as it is a bargaining chip I really have no reason to think anything else in platform matters much either. It’s a sad day when leadership of the party aids and abets removal of one of their core planks.
who says we’re working with K-Lo? reporting news is not exactly teaming up with.
Some veal pen blog must be itching for hits…
health care news
One thing that Stupak might want is an endorsement from the White House in the primary. Or for White House pressure to get Connie Saltonstall to clear the way for Stupak’s renomination.
And it might be a case of Stupak shifting the goal post after he gets each concession.
I think I remember you from the day Bush pardoned Scooter.
Thanks for bumping our traffic, please click through the advertising.
Yup. I bet you are right.
Like lemmings over a cliff.
Seems like the conscious clause is right up their dark alley. (if the leaked version is correct)
Yes. You are.
One has to ask who was their source since this is an internal Democratic Party negotiation. Which means one has to ask if Bart Stupak is working with NRO and K-Lo to get the word out.
When did progressives decide that they were against real healthcare reform (single payer?) If you support this bill you are for keeping the for profit healthcare system intact via the mandate to pay private corporations.
Forget about the values of marriage and procreation. It’s the freedom to co-habitate and live as you wish that we have, which is now being threatened. Doesn’t a third party just split our votes? Aren’t the politicians from both parties now acting irrationally? Could we get any honest ones from either/both parties to listen and start a new one?
I’m at a loss as to the nonsense of voting in favor of a bill which mandates that citizens buy something or be fined and have the IRS in charge of overseeing it.
Someone help.
This bill can conscientiously and thoughtfully be opposed from the left.
Save your typing fingers. You can’t argue with a partisan. To them, everything is black and white. Republicans = Bad, Democrats = Good. Opposing a Democratic bill = Right winger. No matter how bad that bill is. It just doesn’t compute that some of us can oppose a DEMOCRATIC bill for being too far right. I’ve never belonged to the Democratic Party because it has always been far too conservative for me. That doesn’t matter to a partisan. NOT DEMOCRAT must equal Republican. Someone too far left to want to be a Democrat must be a Mike cHuckabee fan. It’s pointless to try to argue in three dimensions with people who only see two.
Back a few years ago Jane led the fight against the wimpy NARAL hierarchy who were all for “keeping the powder dry” in critical Senate races and Supreme court fights. Look where those self-polishing turds got us… dry powder and another Catholic victory against Roe.
Jane was smart enough to see through the Bullshit and led with her conscience, brains and wit. Markos was smart enough to sell advertising on Kos, write a couple of books and be able to buy the latest Apple toys with the money DKos generates for him and his family. Which one will make the difference? Jane. Which one is the Media Darling right now because he’s sucked up (to the) O-Rhama plan? Markos.
Thank you Jane for always doing the right thing for America and Americans. Markos, take a long walk off a short pier, buddy.
Well stated.
SARCASM aimed at sange
/SARCASM
x2
When did the Democratic Party become a center-right breakaway faction of the Republican Party?
Obamacare is designed a lot like MA’s Romney-Care and Romney was a Republican meaning that the members of the Democratic Party who support the Senate Health Insurance Bailout Bill are supporting Republican legislation.
The Republicans have no health care plan because the Democrats and Obama stole the Republican’s plan.
Obamacare is a bailout bill for for-profit corporations making the health insurance drug industry into nothing more than a government backed cartel that denies people the choice of choosing a public plan or refusing a private plan. This is a right-wing fascist type of bill.
So let me ask — when did the Democratic Party start lining up with Romney, the Republicans, and Mussolini?
Bullseye.
Is Reverend Stupak waiting for divine guidance or more palm grease?
The latter I think.
Uhhh…no. It does not mean that. That sounds like Rightie-talk to me.
True. But I don’t see much rational thought in the comments around here lately.
That’s just stupid.
What did profreedom say that wasn’t true? Enlighten us.
No. Because if this bill is defeated it’s the end of the Democratic majority and Obama’s presidency. Now I know that a lot of you here see that as a good thing, but I don’t think that you’ve thought through the concept of a President Romney, or Huckabee, or, God forbid, Palin.
If this bill fails the Democrats and the American people will lose big in November, and the right will win big. If it passes they will crush the Republicans because their lies will very quickly be exposed.
They have banked EVERYTHING on killing this bill. And you guys are helping them. It makes no sense.
As long as everyone keeps buying into the media deciding for us who the candidates are, that there’s only two, one from each party, voting third party will always seem futile.
Eventually, it won’t be. Besides, so what if third party candidates
split the votes now. Does it realy matter that much?
The Sureme Court has left us no other option than to dispose of the monsters from both sides who are going to be screwing us fast and furious now.
Of course it makes no sense to you. You’re a partisan and to you all that matters is the game, the Ds vs the Rs. I’ve got some bad news for you: Judging by the polls I’ve seen PASSING this bill is going to do more harm to your President Orahma than not passing it. Poll after poll shows much more support for the House bill than the POS coming out of the Senate. I care about policy. I supported the House bill though reluctantly as it kept private insurers in business. I would have knocked on doors and talked to people in support of single payer, just like I did to get Orahma elected. Republicans and Democrats are two sides of the same coin and both sides of a worthless coin are worthless.
Why isn’t that statement true? Tell me. Because that’s EXACTLY what this bill does.
Jon’s liveblogging
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2010/03/21/liveblog-house-floor-debate-on-health-care-bill/
Sent
I should really take my own advice more often. Cold here Kelly. We didn’t get snow of course but plenty of rain and wind and cold. About six hours after we talked. Very fast I thought.
Oh goodness no, not Palin. If Palin were to win I might need to worry about my reproductive rights…….oh wait…….oooopppps. I’m so over the argument of the Republicans would do worse. The Democrats had a super majority and the best they could do looks almost exactly what the Republicans promoted in 1993. The only thing Obama missed was tort reform.
Technically, yes, it does. But it also gives us a foothold to keep fighting for single-payer. It makes single-payer a possibility. Killing the bill kills any hope for single probably forever. It’s possible for someone, like me, to favor passing this bill without being in favor of “keeping the for profit healthcare system intact via the mandate to pay private corporations”.
Now, you say:
Well, Margaret, I’m surprised that you are able to label me so easily considering that you don’t know anything about me other than I favor passing this bill. You have no idea what matters to me. I may have very personal reasons for wanting to see this bill passed. You have no idea what you are talking about, and you’re pretty rude to boot. So why don’t you stop speculating about what motivates me and instead argue the real issue.
And the Senate bill is not going to be what we all wind up with and you know it. To suggest otherwise is intellectually dishonest.
They count on people like you to reward their failures time and again.
You are being used. They’re laughing at you. No wonder Rahm calls liberals fucking retards. They don’t give a shit.
So what Republicans get elected. The Dems will feel froced to oppose them, instead of being just like them when they’re in the majority, and that’s a good thing. Besides, even if a whackjob like Palin gets elected, though it’s highly unlikely, she’ll be on a tight leash by her own party.
The irony is the Dems use her to scare you into voting for them, but look at this schmuck Obama. Slashing domestic programs, penny pinching on our health while throwing money at banks, defense contractors, and Blackwater types. Trashing women’s reproductive health as good as any Republican.
The US President is a 100% corporate figurehead now. It doesn’t matter who is in the majority anymore. Special interest write our legislation, and the president goes out and sells it. For a price, of couse.
We have been taken over by Wall St/corporations, or haven’t you noticed?
I though he had incorporated that as well? Could be wrong but I know he said it was a “good idea”. I know that he held it out as an example of a Republican “good idea”.
Help defeat Bart Stupak in his zeal to kill reform by supporting his primary challenger, Connie Saltonstall.
Visit: http://www.actblue.com/page/defeat-bart-stupak
Bart Stupak stated (in an interview on FOX News) that he does not listen to the nuns because these courage women and nuns are “lower” on the Catholic Churches’ hierarchy.
Of course! Which is why the “Librul media” keep putting her front and center. They play people like a fiddle.
Oh yeah? Well I say that Bart Stupak is lower than his toupee.
In what frigging universe?
I agree with the 22 floor speech the other I do not know what to say
RepubliCONS don’t like women.
That would be in the universe of the easily persuaded.
Sure they do! The ones who resemble Barbie, the pregnant ones, the barefoot ones, the dependent ones but above all, the silent and compliant ones.
I stopped over at the Orange Satan last night, and I swear to God it was amazing. People ripping into the “alleged” Progressives in Congress like attack dogs. Swearing to primary them all out, crush them, and destroy them for good.
If I was of a suspicious mind, ahem, I’d think Rahm and his minions highjacked the site full bore. Markos took the cash and sold his soul.
Kinda like Obama.
AND THIS ISN’T AS GOOD AS NIXON’S HEALTH CARE PLAN? ARE WE GETTING WORSE WITH TIME? Sorry about the caps.
I am a big tent Dem.
I am happy Barry has not bombed Iran yet.
When we get to 2012, people will decide between Barry and a wingnut.
You are not doing the Democratic party any favor by enabling feudalism in 2010. It’s a GOP strategy. Support Wall Street, check. Support the Pentagon and MIC, check. Support Big Ag, check. Support Big Oil, check. Cry possum about the Deficit, check. Keep occupying Iraq and Afghanistan, check.
At some point you have to effing govern. Does guns versus butter ring any bells?
You cannot just keep handing the taxpayers money to oligopolies.
You have no idea of the ignorance and the anger out there.
JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS
JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS
JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS
JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS
JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS
Torture, choice, GLBT, green, Education, Barry has been a terrific Republican President.
LOYAL DISSENT, words to live by.
I’ve noticed a huge outpouring of venom at the Orange Satan directed at progressives, not so much directed at the Republidems. I don’t know if Rahm is involved directly or if it’s because that’s the direction President Orahma has taken. Either way I wouldn’t recognize it without all the orange.
The Senate bill IS what we’ll get. It’s what Obama (health insurance execs) wants.
Obama is The Sandbagging King.
I get that.
I don’t think you get what the ramifications of a Republican president in 2012 would be. You talk about corproate oligarchy, and yet you seem to ignore what the result of a right wing president would be on the Supreme Court. You just haven’t thought it through and you all seem to be reacting completelky emotionally. It’s called being reactionary.
No has suggested that we pass this bill and then go no further. We have to fiuht for that. You guys are primed for a fight, right? Then fight for that when the time comes. Until then, get out of the way.
sangemon, I voted for Barry. In a two horse race against a wingnut, I will vote for him again.
I used to be a Republican. I know how dangerous, what is left of the party, is.
But it’s the primary season for 2010. Those are the races we need to focus on.
Barry spent his political capital for the benefit of the health insurance corporations. If there is a depression in 2011, maybe we can catch lighting in a bottle.
Jane drew a line in the sand back in June at the Public Option. She got destroyed by people on the left saying we it was single payer or die. I was on the phone and FDL published what we said and what we heard. We told the reps, we want single payer, but we were asking them to pledge to vote against anything that did not include a PO. Nothing reactionary about that. Just being reasonable with our elected officials.
You can go back and see the posts from June 2009.
Jane knew the support for single payer was way too soft to stand up against all that corporate money.
Suddenly, when Kos caves, FDL is the only thing standing on the left of the Democratic party, because we will not cave on the PO.
We’ve thought it through a lot more than you have. Barry just did to choice what Bush did not. That’s reactionary. The reason hcr took so long, was because Barry wanted to protect the blue dogs from the getting primary’d from the left. We could have had this monstrosity last November. We also could have had a public option in November. Dragging it out made Barry think he appeared more bipartisan.
I thought, and most people here agreed that Sotomayor was a good choice.
+ for Barry.
There is more to being President, however, than nominating SC justices.
The big scorecard on Barry is terrible.
He is running to the right of Bush on the NRA, see Tiahrt. Barry has a police chief, who used to work for Mitt Romney (Chief Flynn in Milwaukee), taking on him and the NRA for protecting sleazy gun dealers who sell guns that end up shooting police officers.
In order to win elections, you have to actually govern. Jane is absolutely right to call for Rahm’s resignation. He cheated the taxpayers when he was on the board at Freddie Mac. The law applies to everyone. In protecting Rahm, Obama looks like Bush pardoning Scooter.
If you want to understand what is actually happening, read FDL.
The damned bill makes no sense.
Obama had the gall to say they had done everything possible to contain costs and improve health care for all. That was a lie.
ActBlue and BlueAmerica might as well shut down now. I can’t imagine a Democrat they would list that I’d donate to.
Yeah, that’s gonna happen.
Do you seriously think that the forces that powered this bill [health insurance companies, drug manufacturers] are going to sit idly by — especially now that they’re enriched by all those dollars from the mandates — and let “change” sneak through?
And can you tell me how much worse a “right wing president” would be for women’s rights than what Obama’s done to us?
Look, I’ve been voting for Democrats since 1964, and up until now I’ve always bought that “OMG, think of the Supreme Court” argument. But when I look around at what Obama has actually done, in a little over a year, and compare that to what Right Wingers might do, well, I’m gonna believe my own lyin’ eyes and not my DNC-fueled, NARAL-fueled imagination.
I’m not going to vote Republican, but I’m sure not supporting — with either my time or dollars — ANY Democrat in the future (except if some good down-ticket ones appear).
^^^^^^Bullseye.
And BTW, are you going to be relying on those fabulous negotiators and warriors, the “Congressional Progressive Caucus,” to lead this “fight.”
If so, I suggest you take a look at their performance in this matter.
Sorry, I don’t think Bart Stupak is available to “fight” for actual good stuff.
And let me know the results of your research on all the “fixes” that happened to TARP, NAFTA, the Patriot Act, FISA, etc. I’ll be waiting.
Yeah, I guess you’re right, we should have just elected McCain. Obama is just another sellout. Sure. Ralph Nader For President! I mean there was no difference between Bush and Gore, right?
Oh, please. Come up with some better, fact-based arguments!
FWIW, I hate Nader. I was, up until now, a Democrat.
I offered my opinion based on what has happened in the last year, not on 2000. You insist on utilizing cliches and bogus “arguments.”
And BTW, what’s your response on how those “fixes” are going to get through, and which “fixes” have succeeded in the past?
No I rely on we the people. We have to do it. We have to elect better representatives. We have to keep fighting for single payer. You all act like this is the end of it. You want something, you have to fight for it, and when you don’t get everything you want you keep fighting. You side with the Republicans and kill this bill and you can forget about getting ANYTHING that you want for a long, long time, if ever. It’s very short-sighted.