On a conference call sponsored by Families USA and HCAN, Sen. Tom Harkin (D-IA) urged Democrats to pass the reconciliation bill of fixes to the health care law without any amendments or additions, so it can go directly to the President for his signature. When challenged on the likelihood of that happening, given the probability of small points of order from Republicans knocking out pieces of the bill, Harkin dismissed that as speculative.
“If any amendment passes, the bill has to go back to the House,” Harkin said, adding that this would give opponents the opportunity to delay and kill the bill, which includes fixes to elements of the health care policy and a sweeping change to the administering of student loans. “A vote for any amendment is a vote against reform” of the health care and student loan industries, he said.
There doesn’t seem to be any possibility of Democrats “going wobbly in the knees” and voting for Republican amendments, Harkin confirmed, even those as transparently political as denying taxpayer-funded Viagra for sex offenders, an amendment that Tom Coburn has offered. Harkin “made a special plea for discipline and unity” at yesterday’s caucus lunch.
However, Harkin and the Democrats have little control over the expected points of order that will be raised by Republicans to the parliamentarian. If they succeed in getting the parliamentarian to agree that any line of text in the reconciliation bill violates the Byrd rule, the entire bill would have to go back to the House for another vote. Max Baucus called this likely yesterday. If the bill is likely to go back to the House anyway, I asked Harkin, why the stringency on all the amendments, even amendments that could potentially improve the bill and would have no problem disrupting the vote in the House – an amendment on the insurance industry’s anti-trust exemption, for example, which got over 400 votes over there?
“I haven’t speculated on what the parliamentarian may find,” Harkin responded. “We don’t know that yet. So I don’t know the answer to that question. The Budget Committee said we have a clean bill. So there you go.” He was hopeful that there would be no points of order, and remained steadfast in arguing for no amendments.
One amendment many progressives would like to see made at this stage, under majority-vote rules, is the public option. Harkin said he supports it and believes it would soon come to pass, but “If the public option is offered I will vote against it, because the greater good is getting this bill passed.” He promised that, once this bill is complete, he would pick up proposals to enact the public option “immediately.” He even floated using a future reconciliation process to enact it, perhaps as soon as this year under the next budget, “because as you know it saves a lot of money.”
It seems that Harkin worries about having to get 216 votes in the House again for anything that isn’t merely a technical change, and he wants to preserve the signature piece of this reconciliation bill, the student loan reform, which came out of the Senate HELP Committee that he chairs.
As to the process: Harkin said that voting should start around 5:00pm today on the series of amendments to the reconciliation bill. He expected four votes every hour in the “vote-a-rama” process. “We could be here all night tonight and into tomorrow, he said. Democrats were conferring with the parliamentarian over the validity of certain amendments from Republicans which appear to violate the Byrd rule (Bob Bennett offered one, for example, on DC’s same-sex marriage law). He hoped the parliamentarian would raise a point of order on those dilatory amendments and get them thrown out before a vote.
At the end of the call, Harkin made a statement that probably reflects Democrats’ views as we come to the end of this process.
“Let’s get this over with.”
UPDATE: In case you’re interested, on the flip I’ll throw a list of all the amendments offered by Republicans so far. Not all of these are pending (which means they’ll get a vote).
AMENDMENTS:
36 amendments filed as of 11:20AM
#3553 — To repeal the government takeover of health care. (Vitter)
#3554 — Prohibiting use of funds to fund the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN). (Vitter)
#3556 — To reduce the cost of providing federally funded prescription drugs by eliminating fraudulent payments and prohibiting coverage of Viagra for child molesters and rapists for drugs intended to induce abortion. (Coburn)
#3557 — To require that each new bureaucrat added to any department or agency of the Federal Government for the purpose of implementing the provisions of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act be offset by a reduction of 1 existing bureaucrat at such department or agency. (Coburn)
#3558 — To revoke the powers given the Secretary of Health and Human Services under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. (Coburn)
#3559 — To help the President keep his promise that Americans who like the health care coverage they have now can keep it. (Coburn)
#3560 — To implement policies from the President’s proposal to reduce waste, fraud, and abuse in Medicare and Medicaid and save taxpayer dollars.
#3561 — To ensure nondiscrimination on abortion and respect for rights of conscience. (Coburn)
#3562 — To exempt class ! medical devices from taxation under the excise tax on medical device manufacturers. (Coburn)
#3563 — To repeal the new $375 million program directing the very same Federal Government that has amassed a $12 trillion debt to lecture Americans about financial responsibility. (Coburn)
#3564 — To make sure the President, Cabinet Members, all White House senior staff and Congressional Committee and Leadership staff are purchasing health insurance through the health insurance exchanges established by the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. (Grassley)
#3565 — To exclude devices for persons with disabilities from the medical device tax. (Inhofe)
#3566 — To require all Members of Congress to read a bill prior to casting on a vote on the bill. (Coburn)
#3567 — To prevent Medicare from being used for new entitlements and to use Medicare savings to save Medicare. (Gregg)
#3568 — To protect the democratic process and the right of the people of the District of Columbia to define marriage. (Bennett)
#3569 — To amend title XVIII of the Social Security Act to ensure Medicare beneficiary access to physicians, eliminate sweetheart deals for frontier States, and ensure equitable reimbursement under the Medicare program for all rural states. (Grassley)
#3570 — To eliminate the sweetheart deals for Tennessee, Hawaii, Louisiana, Montana, Connecticut, and frontier States. (McCain)
#3571 — To allow individuals 30 and over to enroll in the catastrophic plan if they are not eligible for premium tax credits and cost-sharing reductions through the Exchange. (Collins)
#3572 — To provide for an assessment of Medicare cost-intensive diseases and conditions. (Collins)
#3573 — To ensure more timely access to home health services for Medicare beneficiaries under the Medicare program by allowing nurse practitioners, physician assistants, clinical nurse specialists and certified nurse midwives to order home health services. (Collins)
#3574 — To preserve student choice in higher education loans. (LeMieux)
#3575 — To preserve student choice in higher education loans. (LeMieux)
#3576 — To address judicial review. (McCain)
#3577 — To protect Medicare beneficiary access to hospital care in rural areas from recommendations by the Independent Payment Advisory Board. (Roberts)
#3578 — To protect Medicare beneficiary access to health care from recommendations by the Independent Payment Advisory Board. (Roberts)
#3579 — To strike the medical device tax. (Roberts)
#3580 — To repeal the limitation on health flexible spending arrangements under cafeteria plans. (Roberts)
#3581 — To repeal the limitation on deductions for over-the-counter medicine. (Roberts)
#3582 — To ensure that Americans can keep the coverage they have by keeping premiums affordable. (Barrasso)
#3583 — Ensuring that the self-employed are eligible for the transitional small business tax credit. (Snowe)
#3584 — Preempt States from subsequently adopting their own employer mandate legislation that would target small businesses with fewer than 50 employees. (Snowe)
#3585 — Open plans providing catastrophic coverage to all and allow premium tax credits and cost-sharing reductions to be allowed for that coverage. (Snowe)
#3586 — To enroll Members of Congress in the Medicaid program. (LeMieux)
#3587 — To strike provisions relating to payments for imaging services. (Brownback)
#3588 — To exclude pediatric devices and devices for persons with disabilities from the medical device tax. (Inhofe)
#3589 — To provide expansion States with a transitional reduced State share for coverage of parents under Medicaid. (Snowe)




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Passing a public option ~in the future~ is a fantasy based so far outside of reality that I’ll probably have a heart attack if it happens.
I believe Jane Hamsher, God bless her, predicted long ago that the attitude of “let’s get this over with; who cares about doing more” would prevail as soon as the president signed on the line that is dotted. All the momentum evaporates. All the patronizing cooing about a public option pot of gold over the rainbow is too much to bear.
But we should just give it up, As Harkin said:
“A vote for any amendment is a vote against reform”
A vote for a public option is also a vote against reform. And a vote against reform is a vote FOR Hitler.
Do progressives want to vote for Hitler??
I guess Senator Harkin lumps the public option amendment in with the one that would prevent convicted sex offenders from purchasing erectile dysfunction drugs…
Gosh, Tom…it sure is tough to make a distinction in terms of the public good between those two amendments, isn’t it?
He promised that, once this bill is complete, he would pick up proposals to enact the public option
“immediately.”“Unless they have a chance of passing.”Fixed!
I thought the democrats had a majority in the house. How could an amendment for a public option kill the bill if a majority of the democrats in the House want a public option? How many lies can this guy tell in one phone call.
“I’m a coward that won’t dare buck all mighty Obama”
I translated it from political for you all.
Good qweschin.
Lots of truth around here. And lots of people saying the freaking obvious. And, the next time some one comes here with his gun in his pocket saying we should be nice to each other. Well. That’s all I’m going to say. Enough of it.
SO, they can go to the trouble of a year of debating, committees, town halls, and finally votes in both Houses of Congress.
BUT then, it isn’t quite good enough, so they can go to the trouble of passing a reconcilation bill in the House.
BUT then, the bill isn’t restrictive enough on abortion rights, so they can go to the trouble of adding in an executive order,
AND then, they can go to the trouble of having another vote in the Senate,
But what they can’t do is go the trouble of ever having a vote on the public option.
Please people, please for once listen to what your eyes and ears are saying and NOT what your heart is saying.
THE DEMOCRATS DON’T WANT A PUBLIC OPTION!!!! PERIOD!
Harkin is an honest operator. He has watched efforts to pass even the most minimal changes in health care go down in flames
Same here, demi.
Here’s hoping he gets another!
: )
The Democrats have sold out the people for campaign donations from Big Insurance and Big Pharma. A pox on them. They are almost indistinguishable from the GOP.
I just found out today this sham reform bill lowers the amount a person can have in their flexible spending account (FSA) from $3,000 to $2,500, and the FSA can only be used to pay for price-inflated prescription drugs, not over the counter drugs. Another giveaway at OUR expense to Big Pharma.
And the sham reform law also raises the threshold for deducting health expenses on taxes from 7.5% of one’s income to 10% of income. Another giveaway.
The Democrats, from the Blue Dogs all the way to Sanders/Kucinish are nothing but a rotten bunch of corrupt cheap whores, who sold us out and would sell their own families out for campaign cash. They are vile and they are disgusting. I am done with them. Third party for me for now own.
Jane, it’s time to form a progressive third party. We can call it the People’s Party or the Progressive Party. We stand with a plurality of American voters, I am sure, on the health care issue.
The Democrats are bought and paid for enemy of the middle class the the poor.
Gosh you would have thought the HCR bill that just passed would have been a good bill to include the public option. I’m suprised nobody thought of that.
You people are as bad on the left as Teabaggers are on the right. I know I will get blasted for that but do realize how long it has taken to get some legislation through Congress involving health care? I more concerned about those 45,000 people who die because they don’t have health care than worrying about whether they put the public option in the reconcilliation bill. The Republians are trying to do everything they can to kill this thing so I would just try to get the fixes through as fast as possible. Let things settle and go back campaigning for the public option or the medicare buy in after the November election. You guys are the only ones between Crooks and Liars, and the Huffington Post or even Daily Kos being this agitated about this. It could be a lot worse we could have had John McCain as President. Get a grip on reality!
@ thie juncture let these whores get it over with. They obviously could care less about what’s just or cost effective etc. It’s always been about what feathers the nest of the health Ins. mafia. Mission Accomplished time to move on to the next BIG CORP. Bail out isn’t it? Most people are like fish in the water. The fish can’t see the Ocean as something he lives in because he has no reference to anything else. the Public only knows Corpworld and 99% have no idea of what a society that isn’t Corp.world would be like.
Obama learned a lot from Bush. Remember his “Clear Skies Iniative” that helped the energy industry pollute? Obama has “Health Care Reform” to enrich the health care industry with billions of tax payer dollars. I just can’t wait for Financial “Reform”! No one tell me how it ends. I love a good cliff-hanger.
Wouldn’t waste my time blasting you.
Not to worry, Tom, your Party Bosses are protecting you from the dreaded concept of democratic government in the Senate, which you are brazen enough to call for avoiding at all cost, so that President Obama’s veto can prevent any meaningful changes to this legislation from being passed before it can be implemented years hence.
Right out of the box, Max Baucus, the “iron-fist” (Harry Reid’s description) ruler of the Senate Finance Committee moved to table (kill, by simple-majority, without, technically, casting an up or down vote on the amendment itself) the first amendment up for a vote on this reconciliation fix this evening. [Because Max Baucus thinks the democratic amending of legislation in a Democratic-majority Senate and House amounts to "killing" that legislation (even though most of it is already the law). What Baucus actually means, of course, but can't say in public, is that such democratic amending by our representatives amounts to "killing" the undemocratic backroom White House deals that have been presented to the Senate in the form of "legislation" solely for the purposes of rubberstamping by the majority from the beginning of this process.]
That amendment, which Baucus moved to kill, was Senator Gregg’s amendment (SA 3567) to ensure that Medicare Trust Fund-generated dollars saved and cut in this bill are put toward the future (rapidly-approaching) insolvency of the Medicare Trust Fund instead of new, non-Medicare programs, like the expansion of Medicaid (and matching state contributions toward that expansion) and tax credit subsidies for the purchase of private health insurance policies.
Because the “lock box” concept for entitlements like Social Security and Medicare is so yesterday in the Democratic Party.
The Democratic Party Order-Fulfillers should only have to ‘endure’ about 4 hours of the horrors of publicly voting (to table) all the amendments offered by the Republicans, before the Democrats can safely retreat into their backrooms to await further orders, and loving pats on the head for being obedient little servants, from the White House.
Most of us now fully recognize, Tom Harkin, that you, and each member of your Party in the Senate, have completely ceded your will and role as a federal representative and legislator to one man in the White House whose privately-conveyed orders you are obeying, not only on this legislation, but doubtless on all that’s left to come while the Democrats remain in the majority in Congress. Including the Rahm Emanuel/Lindsey Graham Ditch The Judicial Branch So Presidential Enemies Avoid Due Process bill being passed around the backrooms of the Senate for private rubberstamping right now.
And the voters will vote accordingly, this fall, by which time your pandering BS about this legislation will be fully exposed as the intentional fraud that it is to the rest of this nation’s long-suffering people.
“There doesn’t seem to be any possibility of Democrats “going wobbly in the knees” and voting for Republican amendments, Harkin confirmed”
I would think that their knees are tired from all the wobbling they’ve been doing passing this Republican bill.
Exactly what would be a “lot” worse?
Approval of 56 out of 59 mountain top removal mining permits, instead of 55?
Zero bank executives held accountable, instead of Zero?
Making actual backroom deals with the devil, instead of the health insurance industry?
A million years of detention for prisoners, instead of indefinite?
Double Super Secret Black Sites where we torture people, instead of Super Secret?
Bombing civilians with actual planes instead of drones?
It took so long because Obama had to figure out how to kill all of his campaign promises (public option, drug reimportation, etc.) while appearing as if he supported them throughout the process. That is where those “11 dimensional chess” skills really came in handy.
It used to be “STFU! We’ll fix everything in the reconciliation bill after the Senate Bill passes.” Now it is “STFU! Let us just get through the elections and you people who care about policy and results and shit can go back to bitching.”
We have a firm grip on reality, we just aren’t so enamored with Obama’s taut, furry buttocks as you Obamabots. We aren’t on your “team” any longer. Our reality is that Obama promised a whole bunch of stuff that he never had any intention of delivering….things that we care about deeply….and we’re pissed. Like, permanently, at your BFF. We’ve de-friended him, man.
And I see ZERO substantial difference b/w what a McCain presidency would look like vs. an Obama presidency. Doesn’t scare us. Neither do huge GOP gains in Congress in November. Many of us will be laughing our asses off. Ignore us, call us “fucking retards”, tell us to STFU, grow up, “get a grip on reality”, yeah, we finally get it. You’ll find our votes in another column other than “D” in the fall.
and I am sure Mc Cain would have forced people who can’t afford it to buy insurance—oh wait–
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
and they floated removing the anti trust exemption.. because like everything else they knew it would go up in flames ignited by them.
Same old.. same old..
so how can Romney, the so called lead Rethuglican contender run as a repealer of the HCR when it is his model that has been enshrined.
I hope the Easter Bunny will come to my house and bring me lots of pretty eggs and stuff.
You got it exactly. They are all gungho progressive and s#!t, until the PO has ANY real chance of passing (like right freakin now with 51 votes). I really hope we get a Senate vote on a PO so these hypocritical Dem(supposed progressive) Insur industry subsidized liars are forced to show there true colors. This is what Harkin, et al are freaking scared of. It’s their biggest concern, NOT getting it done fast for any other reason! ! !
Too damned true. :o(
I know I keep wondering about that also. Heard someone say the other day that the premiums have gone up, emergency room use has not gone down and if the fed govt wasn’t helping out, it would already be kaput. He thinks it is great but doesn’t support it for the rest of the country—go figure–
I heard the argument made, by a a blogger for whom I once had high regard, that we should support Democrats because Republicans are insane. No matter what their limitations and failures, Democrats are at least not insane. And governance by insane people would be ruinous.
I actually think that view has some merit. But there’s something missing in my enthusiasm for, my dedication to, my willingness to work on behalf of, not-insane people.
I once thought we could do better than that.
After they rolled out the barrels, had the big bands playing, and the official “signin’ of the papers”, this dog and pony show is all over. This is it. This is reeeeeeeeeeeform! Take it.
Can’t we just all get together and send them money and flowers as a thank you, like the sites are all planning for Nancy? I mean, come on gang. Be happy. You got nothing, but it’s a special nothing with a blue bowtie on it.
Gonna send ‘em a “blivit” Ten pounds of shit in a 5-lb bag.
HA!!! Luv it! There should be a NEW progressive motto.
NO MORE CASH
It’s the only language these political fraudsters know.
Good Lawrd! Where will those caught Republicans get their stash from?
How? Premiums are decided by for profit private corporations. How pray tell, with very few limited regulations, are they going to enforce keeping premiums affordable?
Let’s add some more!!
#3590 to provide a really nice white pony to all
#3591 to restrict tax increases, to only those making more than $1/week
#3592 to disallow telemarketing for the purposes of political donations
That’s a hard pill to swallow
My response to Harkin: hope in one hand, and shit in the other, and see which fills up first.
Lurkin over here but wanted to say hey to the old gaurd. Hey SoDrag, demi, nahant.
one more
#3593–to reduce sudden and extreme volume of TV commercials
Hey, oldnslow.
Gettin’ ready to downshift to local races. Got 3 County Commission and 4 Skool Bored seats up, plus the redistricting and hometown democracy initiatives to work for (already on the ballot). St Pete for Peace is lookin’ for new venues for protests since the county morgue has more business than BayWalk (the continuing saga of). Should be a fun summer.
p.s. I was really gettin’ tired of BayWalk anyhoo. Six years is a long time.
There actually used to be regulations on that, believe it or not.
But pretty much ever since RayGun, any kind of regulation on big bidnuss has been gutted/removed/overturned/ignored/etc.
Yes, the world of derugulation does have it’s points. If I’m falling asleep in the chair, I can usually count on that loud assed commercial to wake me back up, turn the thing off, and go to bed.
So, there is that.
Senator Harkin, you keep using that word (support). I don’t think it means what you think it means.
Nobody seems to have thought you were worth blasting (which is hardly surprising). However, just in case you’re actually one of the inadvertently (rather than willfully) ignorant, here’s some ‘clue’:
Most of those 45,000 people about whom you’re so worried will continue dying, regular as clockwork, for nearly another 4 years (until 2014) – because that’s how long it will take before subsidies and mandates kick in (one more reason to have deep-sixed this turkey so that something better could be passed which would kick in sooner). Even starting in 2014, about 18,000 of those people will continue to die, regular as clockwork, because they STILL won’t have insurance coverage (this bill will only cover about 60% of the uninsured). Yet more will die because they still won’t be able to AFFORD anything but insurance that covers so little that they won’t be able to afford the balance of the cost of their care.
Meanwhile, the CBO analysis predicts that premium rates will continue to rise at 6+% annually, just as they were before this ‘reform’ (actually, a bit faster than they would without this ‘reform’, but who’s counting?). Private insurers will increase their already fatal stranglehold over our lives, with every incentive to deny any coverage that they possibly can. Starting in 2014, we’ll be paying tax money to those insurers as well as out of pocket – at which point the cries to reduce the amount of this ‘entitlement’ will be heard.
A single-payer system would have none of those drawbacks, but Obama carefully kept that out of the discussion from the beginning. However, he DID campaign for a strong public option, which, while hardly ideal, would have curbed the worst of those problems – but quickly (and oh-so-quietly) sold that out a few months after being elected to enact it.
That’s the Cliff Notes version, anyway. It should at least help get you started if indeed you DO have any actual interest in ‘reality’.
Not my view. After all the celebration over this “monumental legislation”, I see no reason whatsoever Democrats can’t tag on the anti-trust amendment and a medicare-buy-in amendment. Oh, I forgot–Obama and the other corporatist Democrats don’t really support either of those.
How these guys can spout the party line quoted above with a straight face just strains me. Absolutely amazing to this simpleton that they can dissemble so unashamedly.
If in fact the bill does end up going back to the House for some Byrd rule technicality, all I want to see is just one reporter ask the leadership why tenets of HCR that Democrats “fought so hard for” but didn’t make it into the bill can’t become law given Democratic majorities. Just one.
you seem like a nice guy that’s new to the Lake. You should visit more often–you definitely need the education.
you guys think Obama hasn’t thought of this? If you were BO, who would you bet your opponent will be in 2012? Romney’s the only R out there that’s not straight from the crazy bin. And he’s slick–says whatever his audience wants to hear. Sound familiar? BO sees things in Romney that he predicts he’ll have to face in the future.
I believe I heard that there was some regulation coming in regard to increasing the volume of ads but it won’t happen for a year—it sure is annoying but as you so aptly put it—serves as an alarm clock when you fall asleep in your chair
it is time to move on from these sell out fucks, period.
I’m 50. I’ve been listening to every excuse under the sun since who knows when. Hell, I actually even thought the DLC third way stuff MIGHT be an honest attempt to make government / community investment work well, so that idiotic shit like Prop 13 wouldn’t have a chance in hell – Of course, given that I was a 10 buck an hour cook in Boston in ’88 when Dud-crap-kis was getting his ass kicked, I did wonder if all those high flying beantown wannabe k-school selfish yuppie pricks were gonna do more than lie to serfs like me … oh, and use serfs like me.
they did us a favor.
do NOT give a dime or second of time to 1 of these fucking worthless incumbents.
rmm.
worse than romneycare. how’s that grab you?
I’ve been reading some of the comments here and in another article regarding Dennis Kucinich.
I had to keep looking at the address line to make sure I wasn’t in the Fox News website. There’s so much whining here that maybe you all should get together with the Republicans and pool your funds to buy the booze for your collective pity party.
After a little over a year of waiting for Obama to come through in a big way, it’s starting to look like things will be happening. But they will only keep happening as long as we keep ours and the Democrats’ feet to the fire. And also keep doing whatever we can to bury the Republicans. But let’s not bury the Democrats yet. Progressive means moving forward, not doing things that will stall whatever momentum we have gotten in the last few weeks. Come on, progressives, progress!
So the Democrats will change their behaviour if people keep gritting their teeth and supporting them anyways because they’re not the Republicans, after each and every time the Democrats kick sand in their face. That’s an interesting theory of how they’ll be motivated to change their behaviour. Flies against logic, but what the hell.
I’m sure if you close your eyes and really, really convey your displeasure to the Democrats while you send them your check, they’ll feel really bad for selling you out to the health insurance industry, and make up for it by passing a strong version of the EFCA. Now excuse me while I go look for the lung I just coughed up laughing.
Heck, they have their chance right now to show us they’re listening! The reconciliation bill’s going back to the House anyways according to the parliamentarian so it’s a golden opportunity to place the public option back in. Only need 51 votes, and the House already passed a public option. Remember how the Democrats had a majority for a public option in the Senate, just not 60? They kept telling us over and over. It was just a few stubborn guys like Lieberman and Nelson that kept them from getting 60. Well now they only need 51! No time like the present for showing the people who support you that you just slapped in the head that you’re going to really listen to them, right?