The fallout from the Bush Administration’s domestic spying program being ruled illegal once again has been incredibly mild. A few cover stories in the major papers noted the ruling, but pretty much left it there. Glenn Greenwald tweeted his puzzlement:
Should it be big news if a federal court rules the President violated the criminal law in how he spied w/o warrants on American citizens?
It should, but the culture of accountability has long faded in the United States, replaced with the culture of looking forward and not bankward.
However, Judge Vaughn Walker’s ruling may have salience in one Congressional race this year. It happens to be in the district where I’m typing this out.
Marcy Winograd is challenging incumbent Blue Dog Jane Harman in this coastal SoCal district, and she pounced on the ruling from Walker’s court. In her statement (which can be read in full below) she cited some major pieces of information tying her opponent to the crimes. First, as ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee, Harman never objected to the illegal wiretapping program despite having been read into it. In fact, she praised the program repeatedly, and according to documented reports she pressured the New York Times not to publish about the wiretapping program until after the 2004 elections. “On the eve of Bush’s re-election, my opponent pressured the New York Times to suppress a story on the massive illegal wiretaps,” Winograd said in the statement. “In essence, Jane Harman worked to re-elect George Bush.”
And now we have further proof that what Harman was working to keep out of the papers was in fact an illegal program of warrantless wiretapping, for which the US government is criminally liable. And Harman clearly knows this; after all, she was herself wiretapped in conversation with a suspected Israeli agent, and she subsequently expressed outrage at the “abuse of power” of the government listening in on innocent Americans (BTW, unlike the Al Haramain wiretaps, Harman’s was court-approved).
If there’s anywhere in the country where this ruling could have resonance and actually affect an election, it’s CA-36.
The full statement:
(Marina del Rey) Congressional Candidate Marcy Winograd (CA-36) applauds federal judge Vaughn Walker’s ruling that the Bush administration’s warrantless wiretapping program was illegal, and questions why her opponent Jane Harman went along so readily with a violation of the Bill of Rights.
Says Winograd, “As a ranking minority leader on the House Intelligence Committee, Jane Harman had a duty to provide oversight of the Bush administration. Instead, she went along with its law breaking, failing to clearly object to the wiretaps or hold hearings on abuses of executive power.”
Under the Bush administration’s warrantless wiretapping program, the National Security Agency monitored American’s email messages and phone calls without court approval, even though the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, or FISA, required a court warrant.
Adds Winograd, “Yesterday’s court ruling confirms what I have maintained all along — Congress must exercise its oversight powers to ensure that the executive branch never considers itself above the law. In Congress, I will protect and defend our constitutional rights against those who seek to undermine the rule of law.”
Winograd points out that her opponent not only complied with the illegal wiretaps, but also lobbied the New York Times to withhold the truth from the American people. Says Winograd, “On the eve of Bush’s re-election, my opponent pressured the New York Times to suppress a story on the massive illegal wiretaps. In essence, Jane Harman worked to re-elect George Bush.”




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David –
You’re down here, in my district? Hi!
Marcy is one primary challenger I’m backing. (As I did when she ran against Smarmy Harmy two years ago.)
Go Marcy, go!
Keep on slammin’ Harman!
I’m sorry, I must have missed something while paying attention to the insurance bill – electing a different Democrat will make a significant difference how?
(Winograd does seem like a great candidate, and Harmin’ is unquestionably wretched.)
WAS criminally liable; the statute of limitations has expired.
Forget Culture we have Laws the President swore to enforce them he does not have a choice about which laws he will enforce. Culture implies we the people are responsible did we know Obama would not do the job? No
If the problem gets bad enough impeachment becomes an option.
So it’s political, period. Legal system fails.
A Spineless Dem getting challenged because of her Spinelessness this race will be worth watching.
WarCrimes we still have that on the Bushies that and they all have to be nervous going to Europe.
Nah. I really don’t think they’ll be going to Europe. *snicker*
If you don’t think you did nothing wrong you have no problem thinking your not on their radar or that you are to smart to get caught. Sooner or later a Bushie will go to Europe and will be picked up for war crimes.
here’s what everyone misses when they argue against someone who advocates for spying without a warrant, they use “if you’re not guilty you have nothing to hide” and other nonsense
but you turn them to your side IMMEDIATELY when you counter with;
“all a warrant does is insure the person spying is not doing it for their own personal purpose;
do YOU want some depraved “official” using the cover of their office spying on YOUR daughter?…do YOU want them listening in on your busniness conferances, stealing your secrets, undermining your buys your sells, finding out when you need something and what you will pay, selling that information to your competitor?
do you want some charachter following your child and keeping it for themselves to use later for whatever reason they want?
A warrant tells officials, “show me there is a reason you want this information besides something in your fantasy”
I have not found one person who argues against those points
yet the democrats fall back on “it’s unconstitutional, it violates our rights” and they never get to the meat of why it’s unconstitutional, and the reason is more important then the statement
we need to put a face on the reasons we have outrage, if we fall back on “it’s unconstitutional” as the only substance to the debate, we lose, if we show the REAL reasons it’s unconstitutional in the first place, we win, every frigging time
we need to to insist on warrants to keep secure information we are most proud, those that think it’s to prevent getting information we are embarrassed have missed the meat of the issue
Man, I sure hope you are right on that one. That is one newspaper headline I could savor.
(Meant for TCU, fixed below.)
How ’bout a vacation in Spain, George?
Didn’t he think it was in South America?
Man, I sure hope you are right on that one. That is one newspaper headline I could savor.
Excellent point!!!!!!
I second that. Your comment made me go back and read it in its entirety. Good framing, perris!
You had me here David, and once again, thanks for all your work today, and all days.
Priceless! *G*
No, it’s NOT political hoss.
It’s corporate.
Legal system is gamed like the political system is gamed.
It’s corporate, starts there, ends there.
It’s not capitalism, it’s not ‘socialism’ or ‘communism’ as the Baggers of Beckians pose, it’s corporatism, it’s fascism.
Plain to see, been ‘splained to death at FDL by those much greater in the know and the ability for the tell.
*G*
Guess I’m not ‘up there’ far enough, I’m still yakkin at you again!!! lol
Actually you really don’t have war crimes particularly after the changes made by the Military Commissions Act and there is no fear whatsoever about traveling in Europe; no EU country will ever take personal jurisdiction of a current or former US official on this basis. A grunt or line level CIA agent, maybe; but not any official. Just will not happen.
Perris wins the thread, and the internets for tonite.
*G*
And if I could vote for Marcy Winograd, I would.
Twice!
This all happened under the Patriot Act. During a time of war, wiretaps on suspected terrorists or people talking to them are to be expected. During WWII the FBI did a lot of wiretapping. Going after the bad guys that are trying to kill us should be given wide latitude. Obama is doing the same thing for the same reason.
Considering the rather conservative coterie down in the Palos Verdes area, Harman may pull this out. Still, you never know…
hi! you should come to our Drinking Liberally events up the road in Santa Monica. Go to drinkingliberally.org and find the Los Angeles chapter.
there’s a healthy chunk of PV that is actually in Dana Rohrabacher’s district. This is a pretty blue seat, much more so than when Harman originally won it.
It’s not a question so much of rewarding a potentially new turncoat sellout as it is of punishing a known, proven, turncoat DINO sellout. Mark my words: Marcy Winograd humbles Harman in this primary and Dems from coast to freakin’ coast are gonna sit up and take notice.
And David’s right: this district has gotten bluer and bluer over the years.
David –
Thanks. I’ll look into that. It doesn’t matter than I don’t drink, right? And how much do I have to worry about running into OFA/Kossack types?
Perris @ 11– DING, DING, DING!
This is another really good, unresolved point: “Theft of Veterans Affairs data could pose national security threat?” ( http://www.americablog.com/2006/05/theft-of-veterans-affairs-data-could.html )
Notice the record, concurrent theft of electronic records? Records about identity and assets? Because of ubiquitious, real-time and detailed data commerce and the associated powerful datamining systems using the data, the associated possible financial crimes by insiders is real and irresistible.
Now micro-transaction level price fixing targeted toward a politically and financially less advantaged person or group is easily achieved and, so far, with little repercussion.These are highly targeted “white collar” theft patterns meaning fleecing under the radar and with precision.
National identity cards with an international DNA database is not the answer as any Wired.com, EFF.org and ACLU.org reader knows the identity cards are insta-hackable and:
“As databases grow, so do the chances of finding a coincidental match. Three states have searched their DNA databases for pairs of profiles that have nine or more genetic markers in common. The more profiles in the database, the more matches were found.
Maryland: 33 matches in a database of 20,000 profiles
Arizona: 144 matches in a database of 65,000 profiles
Illinois: 903 matches in a database of 230,000 profiles
California: State database has more than 1 million profiles. Several search requests have been denied.
FBI: The national DNA database, maintained by the FBI, has almost 6 million DNA profiles. It has never been searched for such coincidental matches.”
“FBI resists scrutiny of ‘matches’,” July 20, 2008, Los Angeles Times (http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jul/20/local/me-dna20/8)
Yes, RPV and Rolling Hills got redistricted into Rohrabacher’s clutches, but the northern PV area is still within Harman’s district. Add to that the conservative bent of places like Torrance, Redondo, and Manhattan Beach, and you never know. The competitiveness may have been removed considerably compared with the 1990s, but with the actions of the Obama administration and the general fecklessness of Congress alienating what’s left of the Democratic base, it’s going to come down to election day turnout.
I agree, the district’s gotten “bluer,” but to me color labels like “blue” and “red” and statistical demographics only get you so far.
Just so you know, my family’s been in Redondo for nearly 40 years. Not just spouting my mouth off here…