A day has passed, and I’m no closer to understanding the Administration’s offshore drilling strategy. Well, actually, I’m a bit closer.
The rewards remain quite obscure to me. It infuriates the environmental coalition who will actually be indispensable with selling a comprehensive bill and mounting mass support for it if one ever comes forward. The White House seems so touchy about offering it that they are highlighting other parts of what they announced yesterday. They seem fully aware of the fact that opening the coasts to potential environmental hazards has almost no reward attached to it; the most fertile tract offered in this plan has at most 6 months’ worth of the US supply of oil in it, and the Virginia tracts have closer to 6 days. It doesn’t even seem cost-competitive to LOOK for oil this scarce.
I am aware of the notion that this is an effort to draw in skeptical Senators – most of them Democrats – on a comprehensive energy and climate bill that otherwise would just die. The best spin on that comes from scientist Stephen Darksyde:
I mentioned yesterday in my Examiner column that the consensus of energy experts I’ve spoken with is that emerging alternative energy technology, combined with existing traditional power plants and conservation, can indeed meet our future needs. But the same people stress that even in the best case renewable energy scenarios, there is a gap in capacity that will still have to be filled, most likely by one of three reliable sources: coal, oil and gas, or nuclear. Each has significant, and yet distinctly different, advantages and disadvantages. Coal is chock full of a host of toxins before we inhale them, oil is a huge security headache and both oil and gas are pollutants and emit GHGs, and rightly or wrongly nuclear just flat out scares people. Both coal and nuclear (Along with solar and wind) don’t do anything for cars and trucks unless electric vehicles become far more widespread. What to do? [...]
In the tragic aftermath of 9-11 we missed a huge opportunity, unwillingly thrust upon us at incalculable cost, to radically change our ways. Now we finally have a President who seems willing to make the hard choices the last President shied away from. Some of us are rightly concerned about the offshore component. But if the political price tag for getting a bunch of new programs we as progressive support — and we as a nation sorely need — is to allow energy companies to explore some offshore oil and gas reserves, is that a price we might be willing to consider paying, at least for now?
Except I have no idea if this is the political price tag. It seems to alienate as many people as it supports. Even those swing Senators who could get on a climate bill want to go further than this, and add the North Atlantic and the Pacific to the drilling possibilities. It’s possible that the White House’s bid just kicked off the opening of the coastline, with more on the way. But at that point, you lose even more coastal Senators in areas which do not support drilling in any way.
I think the Occam’s Razor conclusion is that Obama has no problem allowing very rich interests to go on with dirty energy production. He has made investments in solar and wind (and offshore wind may be a part of this exploration), sure, but he also flipped on drilling way back in August 2008, in the middle of the Presidential campaign. This announcement merely codifies that wish for an “all-of-the-above” energy solution. He has always supported clean coal, and corn-based ethanol fuels, and nuclear energy plants like Exelon; nothing new there. In fact, those elements often get MORE attention in Obama speeches than solar and wind. In short, he IS the midwestern coal-and-ethanol-state swing vote that he’s been courting. So why wouldn’t he go ahead and add drilling to the list as well?




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Ha ha ha, it looks like Barack W. Obama has fired Rahm and hired Karl. Yet another shiv between the shoulder blades for all the Hopey Dopes.
There is no cost to Obama for opning up off-shore drilling with regard to ‘Progressive Senators’ and their ‘signed letters’. At the end of the day they will take what he gives them and STFU.
Let me be clear, Barack Obama is a Republican trapped inside a Democratic body. Haven’t you ever dated, perhaps married, someone because you could not get the person you really wanted? That is why he can trade away any and all of the Democratic Party’s platform planks so easily.
Why do people behave certain way or accept a certain level of abuse? Because they want to.
this says it all:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/01/kaine-obama-is-doing-ok-w_n_521707.html
Obama now believes, after his HIR win, that progressives will fall in line no matter what he does.
Goldman Sachs wants cap and trade. Obama is there to give them what they want. Progressives are not a consideration.
Unless they want to be re-elected.
The manner in which Obama has handled this announcement is just another example of his arrogance and disdain for his left wing. It really is just one more slap in the face, and so quickly following on the heels of Speaker Pelosi and the liberals hauling his ass out of the heath insurance mess.
As to the substance, I am of mixed feelings about this but could accept it as the best alternative to the mining and burning of coal which has already devastated the environment, locally and globally. If the natural gas and oil from offshore drilling is simply a bridge then it would be the easiest to shut down and leave the environment locally at least better off than any scenario including continuing to expand coal mining.
So it may be a good idea. Hell yes. Bribe the Oil cartels. It’s the only language they understand.
the most fertile tract offered in this plan has at most 6 months’ worth of the US supply of oil in it, and the Virginia tracts have closer to 6 days.
What else do you need to know? A really stupid decision on any number of levels.
Another great post, Mr. Dayen.
I’m wondering if the idea is to get the energy companies to do the exploration – even just the preliminary work – so they can tell the ‘drill baby drill’ group that there’s no oil there, or at least no oil in the quantities that the pro-drilling folks believe are there. (Which, since they seem to believe that oil follows the drill, would be an improvement.)
I think you need to go back and look again at the law of parsimony. Occam’s razor stipulates that if you have two explanations that equally explain the phenomena, than the one to accept as true is the most simplest one. Whereas, your conclusion is a reasonable hypothesis, in the face of no data, it is merely speculation with little or no justification to invoke the law of parsimony.
Obama has further alienated me with the offshore drilling ‘strategy’. Regardless of the specific impact on a case-by-case basis opening these waters up for exploration will have, further oil drilling is just not the way to go nor is pandering to the industries and political powers that favor it. Reform is not about accomodating that which needs reform, and watering down efforts at change.
” … I think the Occam’s Razor conclusion is that Obama has no problem allowing very rich interests to go on with dirty energy production …”
I don’t think that it takes any grand logical principles to come to the conclusion that Obama has no problem allowing very rich interests to continue on as they have been. To date, his entire presidency has been about allowing very rich interests to continue on as they have been, by and large.
Except that we just saw the same gameplan with HCR.
The argument that “we” have to drill because “we” need the oil is of course bullshit. Oil is sold on the open market. Last I checked we didn’t have a nationalized oil industry. The American oil industry is the original privatize the profits and socialize the costs scam. If the oil companies were serious about expanding the domestic supply of oil they would invest in refining capacity. Oil leasing in itself is a giant scam. Many leases are never developed and never will be. They are however a tradeable asset. Boon to Wall Street! Another energy bubble. I’ll be waiting for my socialist dividend check.
And in all likelihood, that is true.
A scientist named Stephen Darksyd? For real? I feel like I woke up in a sci fi movie. Next thing Obama will start opening up wilderness areas for mining unobtainium.
If I understand you correctly, the simplest explanation is ” … in the short term, as we transition to cleaner energy sources, we’ve still got to make some tough decisions about opening new offshore areas for oil and gas development in ways that protect communities and protect coastlines.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/01/science/earth/01energy-text.html
Opening offshore areas to drilling is an good way to protect shorelines, that’s for sure. Why haven’t we done that already?
A word of caution about Huffpost – take those articles with a grain of salt because the intent of that website is often times to inflame and incite, not to encourage intelligent analysis or opinion. Each blog ‘hit’ = advertising dollars to the site.
Mind you, I’m not disagreeing that Obama feels this way, I think his actions speak louder than his words. Nor am I saying Huffpost has no value (I found Firedoglake, via a link to Huff)
But be careful in reacting to the stories you read on that website, there’s a hidden agenda there and it isn’t always based on thoughtful analytical discussion of policy or positive advancement of progressive causes.
Despite how awful it sounds to open up shoreline to drilling, I don’t see there being a mad dash to start tapping it. Significantly raising CAFE standards in the US kind of drives a stake through the notion of starting more drilling. You can make everything fair game for drilling, but if you offset it with other changes that make it an economic dry well, investments won’t get poured into developing more expensive harder to get to oil.
Yes. You might say that solar and wind, as well as other alternative energy energy sources and conservation, comprise but a “small sliver” of Obama’s overall energy strategy. “Sliver.” Now where have we heard that before?
Look there is no reason to make all this complicated. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. All you need to do is look at any sector of the economy and deduce who are the most powerful and entrenched players in that sector. Obama will do whatever those players tell him to do. Quite simple. All purchased politicians comport themselves in this fashion, most particularly those who have been marinated at length in Chicago politics.
As to the political positioning, most of the proposed drilling would occur off the coast of Southern conservative states. Obama lost almost all of those and stands no hope of winning the hardcore Atlantic seaboard South so he has nothing to lose and a lot of campaign oil money to gain. He did win North Carolina and Virginia, but I doubt that the prospect of oil exploration would hurt him much in those states and could be sold as “aiding the economy of those states” even if it doesn’t. Alaska? Alaskans will never vote for Obama, so he doesn’t care.
Now that’s just for O’s 1st term. In his second term he will go after the Pacific coast when he no longer needs their large block of electoral votes.
The only ones upset by these set of decisions are Progressives who generally express concern about the environment and fealty to Big Energy. White House interest in the cares of Progressives sits right at zero.
This is what happens when you “Kucinich Out” and refuse to exercise the Progressive power of NO. They know you will cave.
Why is he negotiating with himself again? We haven’t even seen a bill.
Perfect analysis…
How can anyone forget his WV/KY “clean coal ads” during the primary?
I know I don’t need to say this, but it’s fucking SNOWING here in Taos, NM and I have nothing better to do:
Obama, Dems, Repubs, all completely corrupt and incapable of doing anything sensible for the benefit of the people. I’m down from reading 15 blogs a day to this one and two others and will soon pull the plug completely. This is basically a useless expense of energy, and I am moving on. Not voting any more, either.
Life is short. People need to communicate with their neighbors and share. That is how we move mountains, one stone at a time, and conventional politics is as dead as dead can be.
Firedoglake has similar tendencies.
No one said it protects, but it can be done without harming the coasts. We have done it already in the Gulf and the North Sea.
So why did Jeb ask George to not allow drilling off the coast of Florida.
And reality all it takes is one oil spill turning Hilton Head Island into Oil Slick Central and I’m sure all the folks will be so happy down there for the drilling.
Why respect one word of any policy that doesn’t start with conservation? That small oil to be found off the coast, should be left for the last resort, of some future time. (Posterity.) Not posterior!
I don’t think it is all that huge a deal per se, but is a change of priorities. Why Obama needs to do it, now? Probably about the only place you can actually create “jobs” is to go looking for buried treasure, oh… fixing infrustructure, don’t forget.
He got in there with hopey changey promises, He will not only just go 180, but see him actively distancing him self from (that base.) He can’t get far enough, fast enough. (in a sense.)
When the democratic majority evaporates in november, and the remnants of the two parties merge into the new… Duma? will he show how he can be mr. dictator, ( who… don’t need no stinkin balance of powers…
Then the wacky sounding forwarnings of dictatorship from righty loonies, will be a hard pill to take. They have been prescient in some ways though. In seeing the bait and switch nature of the goodies and pie in the sky stock and trade.
Ya wanna go skiing? I’m kinda serious. I love spring skiing.
i just got an email from fdl asking me to sign a petition against offshore drilling. I signed it with comments:
“Offshore drilling? No. No. And no. This is the most outrageous thing you’ve said yet. Look, I worked for your election, but with offshore drilling you’ve 100% lost any support or votes from me. And, additionally, there’s no such thing as clean coal, unless you’re a George Orwell devotee. Also, no support for nuclear power until and unless you know and I know how to responsibly contain the dangerous radioactive waste that lasts virtually forever.”
On edit: Will this petition serve a purpose? But it seems like I’d like to let my rep know and also write a couple of letters to the editor.
I seem to recall some pretty catastrophic spills in the North Sea but none recently. The longer they are there the more apt there is to be spills and with the intensity of storms from GW that risk will increase. Not to mention, one good earthquake or Tsunami and there can be a lot of damage.
Therefore I do not favor long term risking of pollution of the oceans this may be reasonable in the face of alternatives. Coal and nuclear.
And much of what is reachable in these areas is clean burning natural gas.
There is no such thing as clean coal. That and the ethanol need to be deep sixed.
i remember seeing aerial photos of the HUGE oil slick after hurricane katrina.
The explanation, IMHO, is so obvious that once you hear it everything about this president, this political party, and this moment in history all fall into place like tumblers on a lock.
You have to recognize one important factor, which was obvious in the past administration and easily embraced by this administration: Hubris.
“I’m the president and you’re not.”
Obama is not a liberal or a progressive. He’s not an ideologue. He’s the head of a political party that operates these days like the British royal family, as “the Firm”, believing that by furthering its own interests the interests of the crown’s subjects will just naturally fall into place (“What’s good for GM is good for America”-think).
Obama needed America’s ‘subjects’ (voters) to get elected, and said at rallies and debates and interviews what high-priced marketing consultants told him would lead voters to believe he agreed with their beliefs. If you go back and listen with your now experienced ears to his speeches/interviews/debates (better yet read transcripts), you’ll recognize the ‘cotton candied lawyer’-speak.
Obama isn’t after the left’s votes anymore. Come close to the election, the left will be pitched with some fear tactics (maybe another terrorist threat, or the possibility that Sarah Palin clones are poised to take over both houses of Congress), but the DLC’s attitude has always been, “Do you think that Republicans are going to treat you better?” and the left gets back in line. But Obama’s going after moderate Republicans, trying to bring them into the Democratic Party, if not as card-carrying members, at least as voters of both his policies and his choice of candidates for office.
To do that, he’s got to show them, Republicans, he’s on their side and will cut the left wing of the Democratic Party off at the knees. That he’s enjoying doing it (and showing it) only makes his job easier.
I wonder when this guy is going to start on cutting SS? It’s getting easier and easier to hate this bastard.
Good analysis.
Nuclear energy takes more hydro carbon inputs to build and establish, and then to maintain, not to mention the left over spoils that remain clutering up storage bins. It’s not the last word, but the argument is made, that less energy comes out than went in, all considered.
Maybe there is no clean coal but the poisons could be extracted better from the process, IE: scrubbers, at extra expense no doubt, but the sulphur and murcury is bad stuff, acid rain. asthma, ocean ph lowering, not good.
The best way to get efficiency with fossil fuels is to drive fossil fuel prices sky high. When gas is cheap everyone wants to buy a Hummer, but when gas is expensive everyone wants a Prius. The market self-corrects by consumers voluntarily finding a solution. Getting us cheap gas only prolongs our dependence on oil (and the foreign countries who supply the bulk of it).
That, plus the health care fiasco clearly shows that he can get away with it. No doubt Obama thinks he can cow enough of the environmental groups into complying with what he wants that he won’t suffer politically for this. Based on past experience, he’s probably right. A few entities, like maybe Greenpeace, won’t go along, but that will be brushed off as radicals being uninterested in anything that’s not “perfect”. The more mainstream groups will do what they’re told.
Does everybody realize that every argument that Obama has put forth on drilling off the coasts is bogus? Starting with his claim that drilling off US coasts helps to make us energy independent.
Fact: We the American People get nothing from this. We’re not getting the oil; Obama is giving it away
These are leases that go to transnational oil companies. They get the oil, OUR oil, by building oil platforms (they’re not obligated to use American workers) and they will own the platforms, the rigs, the pumps (all paid for by us, by the way). They are under no obligation to sell it to us. They will sell it wherever they get the best price.
Americans will have to pay for any clean-up, which happens inevitably from leaking platforms.
Americans will also have to endure the business losses to the communities at the coastlines where these oil platforms will be erected.
There’s nothing to get worked up about. Do you believe the people who own the expensive homes on the barrier Islands (eg Hilton Head) will want oil spills messing up their expensive vacation homes?
This offshore drilling is brilliant politics. With these reserves there will be no drilling. What Obama has done has called the “drill, baby, drill” bluff, and exposed them to the (very rich) NIMBYs in each state, and slapped a huge wedge in between the right wing nuts and the right wing rich.
He’s removed a political liability from his reelection, with the expectation that nothing will happen.
Where do you believe many of the Wall St crowd have (a lest one) their vacation homes? A 1 hour flight away on a nice beach with warm water, or an 8 hour flight away?
LMAO, very clever.
I still think this is a distraction for his real goal of building nukes for power.
You watch, he’ll back out of the drilling for the “clean, safe, cheap” nuclear power industry.
Compromise, you know.
“All of the above” is the Republican phrase that translates into English as “drill, baby, drill.” Or perhaps, “oil above all.” A realistic energy policy would start by cutting federal subsidies for oil & gas, coal, nuclear etc.
Doncha just love paying for jobs and then, having to pay taxes for those jobs. but you say there won’t even BE any jobs for Americans from this…that sounds about right too…make US pay for someone else’s jobs.
They really sold US a bill of goods with this guy.
180 degree turn as soon as inaugurated. And people WILL NOT SEE IT.
You worry about nuclear. I’ll just wait until the inevitable cost overruns, late schedules, and poor welding to make the project fail.
There are those who would aid and assist in the looting of the country.
There are a few ways that goes, like selling off (a through z. ) rescource, , technologie, manufacturing base, and jobs and so on, infrastructure, The people, as chattle holdings, IE: tax payers, and so on.
Some of these citizens have calluded with entities that are not working for the best interests of the… ( broad body politic of the ) citizens and rightful residents, and ligitimate members.
The proxy for,
These are not nice people, but they are rich.
They might not feel that they are beholdened to any country, but are citizens of the world.
How do you reason with somebody like that?
What the’re doing is stripping out all the furniture and all the fixtures, and the’re leaving town.
DeToqueville said they would do something like this someday.
Well, if you don’t think the rules of logic apply, then you don’t think the rules of logic apply. What more is there to say?
I was listening to NPR and how Obama’s announcement was being analyzed. The best face to put onto the drilling policy was “it is consistent with the campaign rhetoric Obama used after John McCain challenged Obama on the merits of offshore drilling”—(paraphrase). The reporter said Obama had responded he would not oppose offshore drilling if it were incorporated into a balanced energy policy that included solar, wind, coal, and hamsters on a wheel. So he gave himself a place to run long ago during the campaign, and that is supposed to give him room to maneuver. The second point made was that Obama was caving to Republicans in order to get bi-partisan support on a carbon emissions cap and other environmental issues. Again, the theory is he can turn around to the folks at the Sierra Club and claim he got half-a-loaf, and that’s America–home of the compromise.
The environmentalist on the show was not a very good speaker, but he did make one essential point. Environmentalists are mainly offended by not being consulted, did not see it coming, and apparently any deal-making (as with Republicans or Big Oil) was conducted in private—like the deal he made with Pharma for his health insurance bill.
A caller to the show said he had been an Obama election worker and he was offended. He said he would feel a lot better if the member of the Petroleum Institute (on the panel of guests) would declare support for carbon caps after having been given this “gift” of drilling. The woman quickly said “these are two separate issues” and went on to say the API is all for increasing oil production in a time of need and carbon emission caps-and-trades has to be viewed separately and on its own merits. She would not comment till she saw the legislation.
So much for the environmental concerns of President Zero’s Administration. The only green that matters is the long green, the corporate green. We are offended, feel betrayed, and essentially helpless. We are made to look like immoderates, hippies, tree-huggers who just don’t realize the kind of fix America is really in. We are being set-up for Reagan rhetoric.
I noticed the other week someone here posted the link to Bill Gates announcement to put research money in with Toshiba to create nuclear reactors for the home. Really! Size of a hot-tub and no need to recharge for 60 years. I thought it was joke until I looked it up. So “going green” includes “glowing green” like Homer Simpson.
“There is no cost to Obama for opning up off-shore drilling with regard to ‘Progressive Senators’ and their ’signed letters’. At the end of the day they will take what he gives them and STFU.”
I seem to recall that you do consulting work for emitters, is that correct? Cap and Trade will no doubt increase your client pool, yes?
Reply to dude:
‘A caller to the show said he had been an Obama election worker and he was offended. He said he would feel a lot better if the member of the Petroleum Institute (on the panel of guests) would declare support for carbon caps after having been given this “gift” of drilling.”
Which is exactly the angle Obama’s working, Goldman Sachs wants cap and trade, that is the object of this ‘puzzling gambit’. Interesting that it comes from ‘Obama election worker X’.
Thank you for posting that.
Obama listens to, and is like all our so-called energy experts.
All say we can’t fix anything quick, and it will take years if not decades to fix our energy problems.
Although this attitude is bad enough in itself, if the Country never starts fixing the problems they won’t get fixed.
If it takes ten years to get off foreign oil. We will spend on that foreign oil between seven and ten TRILLION dollars buy oil from foreigners, and that is if our energy use was to stay at present levels. It has gone up even during the recession, and through the energy price run up and crisis’s.
Just like oil we are just as addicted to burning coal, and there are no thoughts in quiting burning coal even though it’s poluting the Planet and us.
They keep asking people involved in the energy markets what to do about it, and the economists, engineers, and businessmen who make their money of of that energy.
If the Country had a Leader that said our Countries goal is to get off foreign oil, and quit burning coal in two to five years we could probably do it in less.
When our leader says lets find ways to get more oil, and keep burning coal we are actually sliding backwards instead of moving forward.
Just coming into this, haven’t read comments, but David your closing paragraph sums it up for me.
Thanks.
There is NOTHING this President can do that I’m not going to be really, really skeptical about, given his past actions to date as President on all issues.
He will not have my vote in ’12.
And this, my dear proggy pally wally, is where he fails us, and the rest of the masses!
*G*
Not until the elections come up!
*G*
That would be eleventy dimensional chess again PJ . . . tell me yer not phooled by that! ;-)
Two important points there.
First:
Why aren’t there any good speakers for our side, science, environmentalism, wealth mal-distributoin? I am so tired of watching these piss ants’ circumlocution being so respectful to the looters.
The other
Obama could not have been more insulting in the way he treated the environmental community if he had been George Bush.
This needs to be dairied, front paged, and repeated over, and over, and over, and over.
Nice. Thanks.
President Obama has disappointed me tremendously in his decision to pursue offshore drilling. Should that decision stand, I will not be voting for him again. He is too obsessed with “bipartisanship”. After the health care confrontation with Republicans, Obama should know that he cannot buy their cooperation and approval by forsaking progressive principles. He is abandoning his base for expediency again. In the end, neither Democrats nor Republicans will support him.
D. Grant Haynes
Are you really just figuring that out? Add the commodification of natural resources (Chicago’s Board of Trade, Chicago Climate Exchange) and you have the weak Cap and Trade featuring offsets, which is worse than nothing at all, considering the economy. Green Washington will cheer it on.
Obama just enacts republican policy! Bam! It’s diabolical.
All the oil that’s known to be in those areas wouldn’t satisfy the U.S. import needs for more than a year. Yep, we import close to 4 billion barrels a year, and that’s what’s thought to be in the ground in these areas.
I suppose it might as well go to China for all the good it will do us.
When you start looking at the production and consumption figures, none of this makes much sense. We need to use less oil, a lot less.
The only safe way to go with energy production is “All of the above” and use what works. Sorry, but wind and solar will never work for base-load generation in an industrial society because they are unreliable. Oil, gas, coal, and nuclear are the only reliable sources we have. Until something proven comes along…
The nonsense about AGW has been put to rest by the shown fraud in Climategate. One more thing, we will never run out of oil. As it gets harder and more expensive to find, it will phase out as an energy source. It will still be used as a source for hydrocarbons for the chemical industry.
See David’s article on fracking shale. Also have you all seen the images of what Canada is doing to the land mining sharle?
If off shore drilling will prevent or limit this it is in my view worth accepting, at least as a short term solution.
I tend to agree that most if not all of the above is likely but disagree that solar is not reliable. And there is technology to come.
Nurclear is already obsolete. The money given to the southern states is just a bribe. My guess is no plants will ever come on line from that money.
Coal and oil simply must go except for small niche chemical industries as you indicate.
But there is in my view a whole revolution in energy coming that will do away with most of your traditional big power grids with much more focus on local energy production.
So, if all the oil in the off-shore drilling is only six months supply, or perhaps a year, what is the motive of the oil industry?
Well, I suppose we can all pull on our woolens and turn the temperature down more. Except that, woolens need wool, so we have to have more sheep, which means more feed and agricultural land devoted there. I don’t know. Do sheep fart less than cattle? Methane is the issue here. Or, let us fore go wool in favor of artificial fibers. Except, most of them are made from oil.
Well, no help there.
Franklin stoves. Now, there is a sure bet. Let’s have every house use a Franklin stove for heating. Only about a cord and a half of wood per year per family, unless you live in the northern half of the US, then you better double that. Only, wood-burning stoves do have the pesky features of producing carbon dioxide and particulate matter.
It is so easy to be critical, and rather difficult to offer alternative solutions. Pups, you want to be critical of Obama? That’s fine. But lets be intellectually honest and offer solutions in lieu of criticism.
You mean he has a strategy?
Good a place as any to post this link, I guess.
http://www.otherpower.com/
We need to open up all off-shore regions (including California and Alaska). The production from these would allow us to reduce net imports significantly, with the main benefit being a great improvement in our trade deficit.
Then you should turn off your computer and stop wasting energy blogging on this site. Oil, coal, and nuclear…wow. So I guess we should all ride bikes and use candles at night?
Solar, geothermal, hydro-electric, wind, and bio-fuels. All good alternatives, and all woefully inadequate even for a small fraction of our national need.
But I’ll stop typing, since your computer is turned off now…right?
So we can count on your Republican vote then? Sounds like you may be a little too obsessed with totalitarianism. And you’re correct in that he should know he can’t buy the Republican cooperation…bribery is expressly forbidden in the Constitution.
Soon you too will understand the Obama’s base is whoever will get him elected next.
Ah yes, that is the key. Until that magical something does come, we must use what we have. As for solar..the main problem is it is available less than 12 hours a day and to get the maximum intensity, it is between the hours of about 9am and 4pm. Plus it cannot be cloudy. The thought of huge solar farms out in the desert, along with transmission lines, already have brought complaints from the environmental community.
Solar arrays on your house? very expensive and will never provide enough ‘juice’ to run your house. Try cooking on an 220vac electric range. Again, what do you do at night?
I know you don’t like it but nuclear is the only long-range source for generating electricity. It is essentially limitless. The form may change as technology changes but nuclear (fusion?) will be it.
“small nitch chemical industries?”…uh, they are huge. Hydrocarbon based chemicals are used everywhere from cosmetics to medical drugs to food..to everything.
Small is a relative term. We may not need all those plastics and stuff. Also there are sources other than billions of years old dead plants and animals.
You are way behind on your knowledge of solar. and the technology is in its infancy still.
Nuclear is obsolete. Too expensive too poisonous.
You seen to have not caught on yet that nature is forcing us to sustainability or die. It ain’t ever going to be plunder and pollute at will again.
He said what you wanted to hear to get elected.
Now he will do what HE wants.
Surprise, surprise.
Twists and Turns and Head-fakes just like in HCR bill for progressives. At the end you will see this climate change is for wall-street as you have stated. Again this one will be at the expense of common folk who have to go negative after expenses every month and american industries which will be shut-down due to high utility bills. I am waiting for a better congress, senate and executive branch for real logical bills and real change to happen.
So do not spend time figuring out contradictions. Campaign promises or after election promises nor logical reasoning do not matter. I saw in HCR bill that all that matters at the end is corporate donations to the party.
As long as Corporate donations is the prime goal for the two parties this will be the result. Please do not skip elections in 2010 in disgust if you want your future and your childrens future to be better and hopefully vote for a party which does not accept corporate donations in the charter like Green Party.
When proverbial pigs fly low and in formation over your dwelling will I vote Republican. No, I will vote for a Green Party or Socialist candidate, even if I must write in the candidate’s name. So, in terms of practical political considerations, I will, by default, likely be giving a vote to you wretched and hypocritical Republicans. Be that as it may be, I can no longer vote for a Democrat who may again seek continually to placate intransigent Republicans, crying “bipartisanship” and “compromise” when there is no bipartisanship or compromise being offered by the minority party of “no”. Obama came into office with a resounding mandate. He has squandered it and is losing his base. He may naively think he can pick up Republican votes by caving on every issue, but I know better. Most of you are closet racists who would oppose Barack Obama on the basis of his racial heritage, if nothing else.
D. Grant Haynes
“We are told that the environment has the incomparable merit of being the first truly global problem presented to humanity. A global problem, which is to say a problem that only those who are organized on a global level will be able to solve. And we know who they are. These are the very same groups that for close to a century have been the vanguard of disaster, and certainly intend to remain as such, for the small price of a change of logo. That EDF had the impudence to bring back its nuclear program as the new solution to the global energy crisis says plenty about how much the new solutions resemble the old problems.
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Al Gore and degrowth movement stand side by side with the eternal great souls of the Republic to do their part in resuscitating the little people of the Left and the well-known idealism of youth. Voluntary austerity writ large on their banner, they work benevolently to make us compliant with the “coming ecological state of emergency.” The round and sticky mass of their guilt lands on our tired shoulders, coddling us to cultivate our garden, sort out our trash, and eco-compost the leftovers of this macabre feast.”
http://tarnac9.wordpress.com/texts/the-coming-insurrection/
“Managing the phasing out of nuclear power, excess CO2 in the atmosphere, melting glaciers, hurricanes, epidemics, global over-population, erosion of the soil, mass extinction of living species… this will be our burden. They tell us, “everyone must do their part,” if we want to save our beautiful model of civilization. We have to consume a little less in order to be able to keep consuming. We have to produce organically in order to keep producing. We have to control ourselves in order to go on controlling. This is the logic of a world straining to maintain itself whilst giving itself an air of historical rupture. This is how they would like to convince us to participate in the great industrial challenges of this century. And in our bewilderment we’re ready to leap into the arms of the very same ones who presided over the devastation, in the hope that they will get us out of it.”
http://tarnac9.wordpress.com/texts/the-coming-insurrection/
I Read today that DoD has now gone on record, they’re the impetus behind the drilling as they need more fossils.
Oh, they also said they’ll ramp up programs to get off the carbon chain propulsion drinks.
It’s maybe just a mere coincidence that last week the administration said cap and trade is dead.
Anyone else see the same board game being played?