Kevin Drum thinks that we shouldn’t try to break up the megabanks because it’s functionally impossible:
My take is that that’s hopeless. There are things we can do to make banking simpler, but there’s just no way that we’re going back to the 70s. Not. Gonna. Happen. And the chances that Congress — which is barely willing to approve even watered-down consumer protections — will break up banks the way Teddy Roosevelt broke up Standard Oil? Forget it.
It’s useless to declare a problem unsolvable and then suggest instead that we tackle a problem that’s even more unsolvable. I don’t have much hope that Congress and the Fed are going to crack down on leverage in a way that’s anywhere near as broad or as strict as I’d like them to, but there’s at least a chance of making progress on this front. If we throw up our hands and declare it impossible, we’re effectively giving up on financial reform entirely.
This is basically the same argument as Jonathan Chait made last week, which discounts the value of long-term messaging campaigns that actually get the policy right. Even if you feel that breaking up the banks isn’t politically feasible at the time, shutting down discussion with that feasibility argument dooms the nation not just to technocratic, marginal fixes in the near term, but no vision of the desired end state in the long term, and thus the perception that as a politician or political party, you stand for nothing but the path of least resistance.
What’s interesting here is that Drum argues this to promote his own favored method of financial reform, focusing on capital requirements and leverage, which Steve Randy Waldman says, compellingly, cannot be properly measured. Indeed, Lehman Brothers didn’t have an outrageous leverage spread the day before they collapsed. Drum tries to rebut this even while declaring himself “out of his league” at the beginning of the argument. His argument, is, shall we say, less compelling. In doing so, he says that you can get at capital requirements by limiting shadow banking, and trading derivatives openly in exchanges, and getting rid of the off-balance-sheet deals and accounting that hampers true reporting results.
Well, this is EXACTLY WHAT PEOPLE WHO FAVOR REGULATING BANK SIZE HAVE BEEN SAYING. The non-financial bloggers in the wonkosphere seem to be constructing the mother of all straw men, arguing that those who want to break up the banks think that alone can solve the systemic problems at the root of the financial sector. Nobody I’ve read has been saying that. They all favor a both/and approach, including things like, well, derivative reform, and stronger regulations on shadow banking, and ending the accounting tricks, and even leverage and capital requirements. I don’t see the two sides in this debate at all in disagreement, other than what reforms they choose to emphasize. But there’s sure a lot of misunderstanding and misinterpreting at work. Maybe it’s because theose making these arguments know them to be theoretical, as the likely outcome will probably be pathetic on all counts, with Democrats happier to get a “win” than anything fundamentally shaking up the system. Maybe everyone’s staking out higher ground.
That said, I think it’s worth reading this anonymous bank executive writing about what would happen if the banks got broken up:
Studies consistently cite that the efficiencies (economies) of scale end and $100B or so. If that is the case, does that not make the multi million dollar men at the top of the pyramid the actual problem? Money is diverted from the branch to the Executive ranks, Private Wealth, and the Investment Bank. It is reverse Robin Hood.
So what do the majority of bankers have to fear from a break up? Nothing. It would bring management closer to the customer and the employee, create a better customer experience, more equitable pay, better teamwork, and a return to values oriented banking.
Given this common sense, all branch based folks at the thousand and thousands of branches should write their congressmen and women and Senators and ask for the passage of strong TBTF legislation that would restore dignity to their profession. Let Private Wealth and the I-Bank float on their own. If you are a shareholder in your 401K or otherwise, you will still get a piece of that action. The value of the parts is generally greater than the value of the whole anyway. It is a win-win-win except in the Executive wing and on Wall Street, which is out of touch with Main Street anyway.




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Gee, whoever could have anticipated…
I believe the ‘divest them of all their money, deport them and their families, and salt the earth where their homes used to be’ is by far the best approach. Plus, Calpundit has always been a third rate veal pen hack.
That would be the presidency, government and party of Barack Obama, non?
Why yes. Yes it would.
It’s the Audacity of Nope again. We’ve seen so much of this with the beneficiary being the clients of the corporate lobbyists.
Ho hum.
Kevin Drum, Jon Chait clueless about financial reform and economics.
After taking a wrecking ball toward real healthcare reform, these chuckleheads are now deadset on edukatin us dolts about what should -and could happen to the big banks and crooked investment firms if we get real radical on their asses.
Coming next week, Drum, Chait and the other members of the clueless Prog Brigade will esplane how Social Security needs to be privatized and why that is a legitimate liberal/leftist position.
Sorry but I’ve given up on Drum. His thoughts/ideas almost never go beyond a “what Obama says” approach to any problem.
Don’t fret. I’m sure Obama has our best interest at heart. Surely he’s got a trick up his sleeve here too (O/T):
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=RUS20100405&articleId=18499
He’s crazy like a fox, all you fellow gingerbread people.
Chait, Drum, Klein, Yglesias–none of them knows squat about finance. They all get their info from the same source (I thought it was the White House, given who the bloggers are in question, but maybe it’s Krugman since he’s spouting this nonsense too). Anyway it’s very destructive to the TBTF fight. Thanks a bunch, “Democrats.”
Here’s an example of Obama-Prog thinkin’ at its “finest”:
Glad these thinkers are on our side, eh?
Re Kevin Drum: it always helps in solving problems when one decrees that an entire set of solutions are “Not. Gonna. Happen.”
Sort of liking taking something “off the table.”
Y’know, if I weren’t so busy slamming my head against the wall in frustration over this sort of thinking, I’d pause and slam their heads.
How to break up the banks:
1. Buy a red crayon.
2. Get the banks org chart.
3. Draw vertical lines with the crayon the senior VPs for each state.
4. Draw vertical lines with the crayon between the non-geographic units.
Break up the staff units (HR, IT, Treasury, Shareholder relations), between these units.
In other words THE BANKS ARE ALREADY DIVIDED UP. THEY DID IT THEMSELVES.
We just doesnt understand fancy talk about numbers and all. Thats why I beleive everting Jared Bernstein e-mails me…I mean he wouldnt fib wood he?
NoW i got to gett back to my colourin books and cartoons.
Drum’s not the only one in over his head. Ezra Klein puts in his oar here. He argues that regulators are incompetent and dishonest.
If you don’t trust regulators, why would you trust market participants, especially in a shrouded market like the CDS market, with its tiny number of extraordinarily rich speculators.
We need regulation, but we need active enforcement of regulation even more. We need to break up the big banks, a return to some modified version of Glass-Steagall, executive compensation reform, and most of all a removal of any implicit government safety net or backstop for financial institutions who engage in speculative trading. Don’t know what Krugman is thinking these days.
If you don’t stand for something, you’ll fall for anything.
This size framing is absurd. We can get a man to the moon, but we can’t effectively reform our banking system? How about doing what’s ethical and right for the country?
We should be using security and protecting the country framing on this. We need to use progressive framing relentlessly to compete with their bogus corporatist framing.
- Tom
Don’t trust the regulators but trust the sharks (i.e. savvy businessmen).
Speechless.
Not recently, that was in the ’60s, when the US was a “can do” nation. Now it’s a “won’t do” because of vested interests.
David, you know the biggest thing that would help?
If Obama would get off his “centrist” ass and start saying the things you’re saying.
(A smile and a wink…followed by a sadface, because that is:
Not. Gonna. Happen…)
The issue of breaking up banks that many believe are too big to fail may be in for a surprise and this may happen sooner than many realize. It’s always the story that just flies under the radar, but last week Bart Chilton and the CFTC held a public hearing about naked short selling in the metals markets. What you will hear in this MP3 file will blow you away and no doubt this will very soon be the talk of the town from coast to coast.
This MP3 audio interview (March 30 2010) with a whistle blowers Andrew_Maguire and Adrian_Douglass totally exposes the gold and silver market manipulation. The words treason and terrorism are used in the same vein.
The whole market is set to crash because some very wealthy Asians are poised to come into this market and demand physical delivery of gold and silver from the US and the US does not have it.
http://www.kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/Broadcast/Entries/2010/3/30_Andrew_Maguire_%26_Adrian_Douglass.html
agree to both !
the kind of three-point shot that characterizes the cleverness of the basketball player-in-chief
Oh brother, that’s just embarrassing… I’d put that in the Transcendent column of vastleft’s handy little chart. :o)
http://vastleft.blogspot.com/2010/03/american-extremists-obama-admirer.html
If you don’t trust regulators, why would you trust market participants, especially in a shrouded market like the CDS market, with its tiny number of extraordinarily rich speculators.
You underestimate Ezra’s genius… first he’ll use financial markets to regulate the banks, but then he’ll flip the script and figure out how to use banks to regulate financial markets. All without ruffling a single lobbyist. :o)
Oh my, good catch… The new team: wrong, and even wronger.
Tangentially, they are venomous against commentors that don’t agree with them.