I don’t think Chris Matthews can blame “the blogs” for this pre-emptive strike:
Liberal House Democrats are shifting their political tactics on climate change after failing to secure a public option in the new healthcare reform law.
The move comes in the wake of liberals having to walk back threats that they would vote against a healthcare bill without a government-run program.
“Drawing the line in the sand too quickly was part of the lesson we learned on healthcare,” the co-chairman of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, Rep. Raúl Grijalva (D-Ariz.), told The Hill.
Grijalva voiced strong concerns about the direction of the climate and energy bill, which has moved toward the center as Democrats try to build a bipartisan consensus that can win 60 Senate votes.
I don’t want to make too much of this, because at the end of the day I don’t think there’s going to even be a climate bill. But clearly the lesson that Grijalva learned from the health care debate was that he wasn’t willing to carry out his threats, so to stay out of trouble he should just stop issuing threats. Basically, he’s been domesticated, trained to take whatever scraps he can get.
Interestingly, there is a Democrat unwilling to budge on key elements of any climate bill. His name happens to be Larry Summers.
Support for energy investment that creates demand and puts people back to work at a time of unemployed resources and excess capacity is the first way that energy policy strengths our economy.
Second, comprehensive energy legislation will reduce uncertainty and increase confidence. The cheapest stimulus program in the world is enhanced confidence [...]
Until we pass comprehensive energy legislation, that is exactly what we are doing. We are creating an environment in which there is no certainty for someone building a new power plant.
There is no certainty for someone making the commitment to an industrial production process.
There is no certainty for someone thinking about the generation of automobile models after the current generation of automobile models, five or ten years out.
Clarity brings certainty, certainty brings confidence, and that is what moves the economy forward [...]
Enacting comprehensive energy legislation will help our country move down the technological learning curves in key sectors associated with energy efficiency, associated with battery technology, associated with renewables, that will be economically important in the years ahead [...]
Ultimately, economic policy choices, like investment decisions for a family, involve seeking opportunity and involve minimizing risk.
If you think about the risks to our ecology, the risks to our security, we minimize those risks with comprehensive energy policy.
And if you think about the opportunity to lead in what is really important, we maximize that opportunity with comprehensive energy legislation.
That’s why energy is so crucial a part of President Obama’s economic strategy.
Basically, Summers is saying that we must price carbon to relieve producers of uncertainty about their investments. Amazingly, that’s more than Grijalva is willing to say. And Grijalva would have more tools, like the saving of a boiling planet, at his disposal, were he to make the case.
Pricing carbon isn’t even an entirely controversial point. But that’s what’s being dismantled in the Senate’s consensus-building approach. And yet, Grijalva – or anyone else in the Congress – won’t say a word about it.




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Do they put something addictive in the cocktail weenies inside the beltway where folks so easily become tamed?
““Drawing the line in the sand too quickly was part of the lesson we learned on healthcare,” the co-chairman of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, Rep. Raúl Grijalva (D-Ariz.), told The Hill.”
Yeah, stand for nothing and just play the role of Caspar Milquetoast so that way whatever happens you can declare victory while letting everyone else walk all over you.
Summers and Obama want cap and trade so the banks can have another way to ‘comprehensively’ suck our blood.
“Ultimately, economic policy choices, like investment decisions for a family, involve seeking opportunity and involve minimizing risk.”
Lol, says the fuckhead who lost 1.8 BILLION of Harvard’s money on interest rate swaps.
Fuck off, Larry.
Somebody should ask Donna Edwards if she wants to sign another pledge.
Pricing carbon is a market-oriented approach. You do it either through taxes or through cap-and-trade. Period. The Republicans, complicit Democrats, and the industry don’t see either of the market-oriented approaches as politically feasible. Of course, they prefer the unpriced status quo for use of a public good.
There is only the government solution left: strict regulation, direct investment in infrastructure by government, tax credits, and low-interest government loans. That is, treat the environment as a public good and manage it with government actions.
As you said, this bill is dead in its current form.
They were praying for a sandstorm.
Unfortunately the line the the sand was FDL maintained.
Too bad they didn’t learn the lesson:
Don’t commit your vote before you get something that you want. The HC ‘debate’ was controlled by the holdouts, even if they were carrying water for the WH.
Don’t worry, Grijalva is just creating some room for himself to suck on immigration too.
Reading the neo-Confederacy thread I realized that our elected public servants are indeed servants, indentured servants. Corporate money put them in office and corporate money keeps them there. Every 2 or 6 years they sign up for another stint as a corporate indentured servant, doing their master’s will.
I have an indentured servitude contract from the early 1800s. The guy who signed this thing (complete with red wax seals) didn’t get anywhere near the deal our indentured servants in Congress get.
Saltpeter.
The U.S. Congress along with Barak Obama will put together another half-assed bill that comes nowhere near to addressing the problems yet they will all preen before the camera’s telling the most ignorant populace of any advanced country that it’s even better than the health insurance bill.
That’s interesting. How did you get that contract?
Maybe we should call our “progressive” representatives Prog Dogs.
Five bucks at an antique store in Denver in the early 80s. I almost didn’t buy it cuz I thought 5 bucks was a little steep. *g*
Completely, overwhelmingly, totally outnumbered. There are only pod people out there. How many are left like you guys? Seriously. What perecentage? Something is very, very wrong with America, and Americans. You are the saints, but if you hang around long, the rest of them will make you into martyrs in a heartbeat.
What do you hope to achieve? How do you hope to achieve it? The country is simply lost. You can do nothing to reach the vast majority of folks. You have no chance whatsoever. It has to run its course.
The corps get their servants quite cheaply.
Yeah they do.
Yep, that kind of thinking will get us a ways down the road.
Why the push to support Bill Halter when we know now the socalled progressives are no different than centrists!
Because Blanche = Leiberman.
Halter = Liberman too, since he is a member of the progressive caucus and the progressive caucus submit to Lieberman! There are no better democrats to vote for. There all just dems in the end! Forget about em!
I have, but Lincoln has got to go.
The House progressives know they can’t win it. I don’t see any reason for them to take point: not when Obama and the Senate are going to punk them. Half the Democratic Senators and all the Republicans are conservatives. The Obama Administration is not willing to oppose them; either Obama is conservative himself or doesn’t think there’s any way to win stronger laws.
Croak!
Actually, we’re probably the majority. But it doesn’t help: the conservatives dominate the Senate, thanks to undemocratic electoral procedures and customs.
Ofcourse Larry Summers wont budge on that. The problem is that he is not talking about climate legislation. He is talking about a fancy new derivatives market dubbed Cap and Trade that he is going to deliver to his Wallstreet buddies.
The rest is their typical Kabuki swill.
They’d be right, but that isn’t saying much.
I don’t think there really is an “or …”. Obama is conservative.
Note to Executive Branch Economic Team:
Can you please do actual work which goes with the designation given to you all. Identify & ensure accountability on some people in the wall-street responsible for the recession causing possibly Trillions of public money lost, millions of jobs lost and immeasurable hardships created. In addition identify the wall street people benefiting most of this job-less recovery with record profits and tax them super high since they are unjustified earnings logically stated because rest of economy is in doldrums.
Middle class will suffer immeasurably due to mandates through health reform bill already passed. Please do not work on climate change. Skyrocketing utility bills which funnel skyrocketing profits to wall street will put our economy in a great depression from which we might never recover. This congress and senate is too compromised with lobbyist money to do any public good. Any thing proposed now is just bait and switch and in the end just before bill closes it will be cap and trade or some other innocuous sounding word benefiting wall street completely. So please no work on climate change bill and in addition if possible please no more new bills in this congress.
Hi Raven
This is the question I have. What percentage of the country are you? I’m speaking from outside. Sometimes distance gives a different perspective. I am deeply skeptical you are anything more than 15%. If you were the majority, would this system of government and the two wings of the corporate party still exist?