If you talk to Democratic strategists, they’d tell you that Republicans have run themselves into a box canyon on health care. John Boehner yesterday said that the party would make repealing the Affordable Care Act their number one priority in the midterm elections, and while others have tried to shy away from a firm stand on repeal, the base simply won’t let them get away with anything less. And so they have to press forward with quixotic lawsuits or spin silly tales about gaining 26 Senate votes in one election or forcing a government shutdown to defund the law, or any number of unwise strategies. Democrats absolutely think they have the GOP right where they want them, as evidenced by Chris Van Hollen’s response:
“It is stunning that House Republicans will make their number one priority repealing benefits and rights for Americans, raising taxes, and turning our health care system back over to insurance companies. Not only does this legislation improve our health care system, it will also reduce the deficit by more than $1 trillion over 20 years, create millions of jobs, and provide small business owners with important tax credits. The House Republican leadership should start saying no to the special interests of the health insurance industry, and starting saying yes to American families by working with us to create jobs and get the economy back on track.”
From a substantive level, Van Hollen may be right, and anyway the logic of actually pulling off repeal is kind of baffling. From a political level I’m not so sure. The Affordable Care Act remains generally unpopular, though up from its all-time lows. And very little in the bill will come online between now and the elections – actually, between now and 2014 – to change that. In fact, some states will see to that personally:
ATLANTA — Georgia’s insurance commissioner says the state won’t participate in the first phase of a new federal health care law that would offer subsidized premiums to people with health problems.
Republican John Oxendine said Georgia should not take part in the creation of an insurance pool, backed by $5 billion in federal money, that would help high-risk people who have been uninsured for at least six months.
Federal health officials said they will run a coverage program in the state if Georgia doesn’t take part.
Oxendine is – say it with me – running for Governor, and therefore has to play to the base. The point is that the high-risk pool, already too meager to be effective, will be less so without state participation (I don’t know what this federal “coverage program” is about, and I don’t even think that the feds have the authority under the law to enact it). The practical effect of this kind of intransigence is simply to sour people on the law even more. Families who can keep their kids on their insurance until age 26 excepted, very few others will see tangible benefits soon. And that means a strategy of repeal, on the grounds that the law “hasn’t helped,” is certainly plausible as a political tactic. Watch the Republicans blame rate hikes on Democrats in the next several months, too.
As for overpromising, I don’t think that has ever lost a political party an election. The Democrats won by overpromising in 2006 – four years later, we’re still in Iraq.
There’s certainly a way for Democrats to counteract this, and it mainly involves letting Republicans reveal their true selves with respect to health care. Whether it’s Sue Lowden asserting that patients should haggle with doctors for lower prices, or Roy Blunt asserting that insurers should be allowed to discriminate and deny coverage to the sick, Democrats need only allow Republicans to talk themselves into trouble on health care, and have them remind the nation why they didn’t trust them to fix this crisis in the first place.
But the strategist who tells you that they’re setting a “repeal trap” for Republicans had better worry about the very real problems with slow implementation and the design of the bill, lest they get trapped themselves.




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That Blunt statement is legitimate grounds to feel cheerful. The logic hole is very obvious. What if you have always been sick, and go out into the insurance market to buy a policy as a 21-year-old? If the Carnahan campaign is smart there are patients at the very good hospitals in Missouri who can speak out about this.
“Watch the Republicans blame rate hikes on Democrats in the next several months, too.”
The Democrats are stuck with any rate hike, denial of coverage, etc. The Democrats can’t very well run in the midterms and say there was any sort of immediate benefits while at the same time running away from any sort of bad things that happen with healthcare and say they aren’t responsible. The healthcare bill should be repealed as it only makes things worse on any number of levels.
And health is also a function of a poor and stressful environment.
Do not feed folks.
The Democrats are trapped into cheerleading a Heritage Foundation idea. Karma can be so cruel.
I am a progressive but I shall vote Republican not only to help repeal the President’s lackey-healthcare but for large reasons: defeating Barack Obama himself. Barack Obama is a war criminal. He has continued the aggression by the US in Iraq and expanded it in Afghanistan. He is personally responsible for the killing of thousands of civilians and our own soldiers. He must be replaced in 2012 by another candidate for the Democratic nomination. He must be defeated, even if it means electing a Republican president.
Why? Because the spineless Democrats who betrayed their own word by voting for Obama’s healthcare, have destroyed the credibility of progressivism in the Congress. That means they have destroyed not only the vanguard of real, public healthcare, but they have destroyed the credibility of the anti-war movement in the Congress. The only way to restore the movement is to demonstrate the opposition by progressive voters to Barack Obama as POTUS. We must throw our affable, smiling war criminal out of the White House!
Reading the Democratic Party Platform that was overpromised and adopted at the ’08 convention there’s plenty in there that they didn’t keep. For starters “Renewing America’s Promise” had the Public Plan, protecting a woman’s right to choose, wise environmental stewardship….voters easily duped into voting against their interest is nothing new to politics (see “What’s the Matter with Kansas”).
“….and turning our health care system back over to insurance companies.”
Duh? I must be in Wonderland.
“The House Republican leadership should start saying no to the special interests of the health insurance industry, ….”
Well the democrats could’t do it ……………..
I don’t think I can vote Repubican in November, but I won’t vote D that’s for sure. But it doesn’t matter, it’s bullshit anyway. There is no way plausible that the R’s get enough votes to repeal this POS, as they would need veto proof majorities, not just majorities.
As much as I’d like to see the POS repealed (I really believe it does more harm than good, otherwise I would’ve supported it). I’d love to see them repeal it, but it ain’t happening.
Hell, when they have the White House and large majorities, they won’t repeal it. They’ll probably repeal a lot of the subsidies, but the rest are all strictly Republican ideas to begin with. Why the hell would they repeal their own bill?
Meanwhile, HHS has issued in the Federal Register a request for public comments on the regulations that they must write to implement the healthcare law. The notice was on April 8; the deadline for comments is 30 days (May 8).
Here is the text of the notice (15 page PDF)
Ahm, Congressman Van Hollen, it’s this POS bill that guarantees control of our health care system remains with the insurance companies. You know, the bill you’re trying to defend.
Have you read your own bill??
Asshole, just like all the other politicians in DC.
Assholes, every one of ‘em.
There may soon be Congressional Democrats joining Republicans in opposition to the new law.
According to an article in today’s NY Times (“Baffled by Health Plan? So Are some Lawmakers”, by Robert Pear), Congress may have inadvertantly barred it’s members and staff from participation in the FEHBP (Federal Employees Health Benefits Plan), directing them instead to seek membership in the still non-existent health care exchanges.
Next time…read the bill!
If goedel @7′s idea of being a “progressive” is to ignore the 2000-08 period of Republican rule and vote for christianists with their end times views to retake the White House and push the button that ramps up our military’s involvement in the Middle East fighting satan through attacking Iran, Syria, while staying the course in Afghanistan, in other words re-electing experienced war criminals who will run the country and the world further into the ground then call me a conservative. Bizarro Politics – up is down, black is white, authoritarianism is democracy.
Democrats, Republicans….the distinction is meaningless. They are all about one thing: Fund Raising as a career. Never mind service, never mind governing, it’s all about raising money 24/7.
Yeah, replace criminals with more criminals…THERE’S a wonderful idea.
Assholes, every one of ‘em.
Somebody wrote them a song.
I’m not saying I agree with goedel’s prescription, but from this post it certainly appears as though you’ve ignored the period from Jan. 23, 2009 to present.
Everyone in congress is now very happy. Their friends are getting all the money by government mandate, and they don’t have to pass law one now because of the “charged political climate” excuse.
Does no one understand that these people are 95% sociopathic? They don’t give a damn about anyone except the companies that own them. It’s broken. It was broken. There is no structure left that isn’t being propped up at a cost greater than that of creating a functional entity to replace it.
We are in almost 1.5 years and we have no changes for the better. Both parties are criminal organizations. We should not be treating with them. They ignore our ideas unless it is time for them to collect money.
It’s broken and it needs to be replaced. The old can be recycled. That is what you do with decaying vegetable matter.
Trolls are up early this morning.
Good turn of phrase: succint and apt.
I don’t agree with how goedel plans to deal with this sorry mess bc simply pulling the lever for Republics does no real good either (unless one has actually thoroughly determined that the Republic in question will actually do a better job). I believe I understand why goedel feels that way – and probably agree – but replacing one group of war criminals with another group of war criminals really doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. Just my opinion.
I would pull the lever for an independent or a green or whatever party, who is at least saying that they’ll end the war (what they do should they get in office would remain to be seen).
Ds or Rs – they’re just 2 faces of the one party system known as Big Daddy WarBuck$$$$$.
The Ds and their consultants that think they can pull off a “repeal trap” hat trick are clearly in denial about the negatives around the health insurance reform. A poll that shows less than 50% approval immediately after passage suggests that the Ds must believe that the hidden good in the bill will win converts in the future. The problem, as is often the case with Democratic bills recently, is that they have to defend via small technical details that they hope will mask the overriding failures of vision. Health insurance is expensive and headed to the moon because there are nearly no cost controls and in a couple of years 30 million people will be forced to purchase insurance at that market price which they cannot afford.
Once those newly forced to enroll discover that they won’t be able to afford to use the insurance because of copays and deductibles it is unlikely they will be happier. They’ll save a lot of money over what it would have cost otherwise but spend money they can’t afford to spend. Kind of like being for required by the government to get a race horse when you live in an apartment but they pay half of the purchase price.
By handing the Ds this Heritage Foundation’s poison pill the Rs can now make it worse for consumers while pretending to fix what they wanted in the first place and didn’t have to publicly vote into law.
LOL,
yep, sure fits the DC pols.
Thanks, I liked that. Tried bookmarking it, but not sure it worked, got some sort of message about it being private.
Bizarro is Democratic (Constitutional scholar) President:
=Putting American citizens on assassination lists.
=Defending state sanctioned torture and refusing to investigate and prosecute
=Expanding overseas wars
=Bailing out too big to fail financial firms and avoiding meaningful reform
=Obligating citizens to purchase private sector insurance products and calling it health care for all.
=Announcing new offshore drilling while doing precious little to protect the environment.
=…
With Democrats pushing bullsh*t like this, I’d rather have the Rs in power so that there is at least a semblance of opposition to these reactionary policies, rather than cementing these abominations as broad bi-partisan positions on which everyone agrees.
Sadly, no: most citizens do not “get it” that the system is broken and that the vast majority of elected pols a greedy sociopathic creeps out for themselves alone. No: citizens simply are not getting it. Wish they were.
I think we need to learn from the Thai people – note how they have been demonstrating for weeks now, and finally they are discussing dissolving their parliament. I wish we had a parliamentary system here; I think we’d be heaps better off. That said, look at Thailand to see how it’s done. I tip my hat to them. Hope they come out with something better once it’s all over.
Yep, that’s damned straight.
The Democrats OWN all of it. If the rates are hiked, you can bet your ass they own it. They’ll claim they don’t, but own it they do. EVERYTHING HEALTH CARE RELATED, they own. Make them own it. Make those who supported this travesty own it, because it is THEIRS.
They could’ve written real reform, they could’ve done nothing. They chose to do this, and to support this, so now it is THEIRS.
Instead of running away from it, they should wear it proud.
And they can’t blame Republican when not a single republican voted for it or supported it.
It’s all on the Democrats. Wear it proud, cause it’s all yours.
It’s always amazing to see people here channeling the spirit of George Wallace.
I’m surprised at how crappy the legislation has been that has come out of Democrats. I didn’t realize they were as corporate-owned as they were. I thought the Republicans were headed for a midterm disaster with their plan to obstruct everything, but then the Democrats went about enacting crappy legislation. All the Democrats had to do was pass good legislation (which they would have been able to take 100% of the credit for), but instead obstructionism is looking like something that is actually working because it isn’t like they are trying to block good legislation. The Democrats have totally destroyed a once in a generation opportunity by having the WH and large majorities in Congress and then completely squandering it. I’m hoping that either a viable third party comes along or that the political parties defenestrate their corporatist contingents – though it seems like they’re getting to the point of no return.
both parties are dirty and in bed with insurance/pharma
ugh
What’s our deficit now, 14 trillion, give or take. I have a plan that will cut that number to zero. They don’t want to be here and we don’t want them either so let’s just sell Texas. I pretty sure we could get at least 14 trillion with enough left over for a national party.
“They don’t want to be here …”
As amused as I am by your comment, I must point out that a majority of our citizens do NOT agree with the governor on this issue.
In the ’70s a writer for the St. John’s Evening Telegraph named Ray Guy wrote in a column that they should just sell Newfoundland to the Russians as a nuclear testing ground. The Russians would pay $1,000,000 each so that we could go to the Caribbean to live out the rest of our lives in the good life. People laughed at him just because he was really funny, but then that is what he wanted.
I think you mean “debt”, not “deficit”. The deficit is the yearly difference between budgeted income and budgeted expendatures, while the debt is the amount of money owed by the Government. The debt is the accumulation of all of the deficits, plus all the expendatures that were not in the budget, less any unbudgeted income.
Examples of expendatures which were not in the budget are all of those “emergency” appropriations to fund the wars in Afganistan and Iraq — I can see Rumsfeld waking up one morning (each quarter) and saying, “Holy cr*p! Why didn’t someone tell me we’re in a war — we need some money!”
It is clear that many of the posters here have never graduated from Kinder Garten. Koolaid stunts your growth.
You are correct. I did mean debt. I’m glad that you pointed out the difference as many people think they are the same.
“Watch the Republicans blame rate hikes on Democrats in the next several months, too.”
It’s a legitimate beef. Obama said the bill will control costs – it won’t. So he owns the whole mess now. Have fun.
Blunt says:
So why doesn’t that apply to Mining CEOs and Wall Street?
The Projection in Health Care cost increases is known. You can estimate from that rate the correlative rise in Health Insurance premiums plus the InsureCo’s additional 30%. We won’t see doubling of rates prior to this fall but suspect we will by 2012.
And as so many others here at FDL have mentioned, the D’s and Obama now own all aspects of Health Insurance.
It will be entertaining and interesting. Hope I don’t get real sick before then.
Until progressives come up with their own legitimate 3rd party that can get candidates elected, they should be pressing the Democratic party.
The Christian coalition pushed the Republicans into backing their extreme policies.
Progressives need to do the same with the Dems.
Right now there ain’t no other game in town.
If we want to get progressive policies pushed we’re going to have to force the Dems in that direction.
Organize, get vocal, support progressive dems … but please don’t vote for Republicans and don’t disengage.
Otherwise, we all lose.
I thought that’s what we did in 2008.
Unless the argument is being made that the D’s need 100% of the seats in both the House and Senate in order to Govern?
That’s a comforting thought given their majority legislation to date.
Too Late
Did you graduate from Kindergarten?
Pretty funny. It takes Obama and his band of whores better than a year to perpetrate this gift to the criminal health insurance companies on the voters. Then the Tea Party spends another year repealing it before it even takes effect. So Obama’s historic accomplishment dies in the womb. What a colossal waste of time. The joke is on us. Hahahahahaha!
Hahaha….so progressives need to push our “extreme” policies….like the public option that ~60% of the american public supported. Love how the TPM Dems call progressive policies, like following the rule of law, extreme.
I wonder what is going through the minds of all of the Obamabots, and all of the mainstream liberal bloggers who got behind the piece of shiat bill, because they had to pass SOMETHING….seeing how the public doesn’t like the bill, will never like the bill, and the polls for Democraps across the country are all in the dumper……NOW WHAT?
Everywhere I look here at FDL Margaret and OldFatGuy are calling Dems and Repubs “assholes.” And they continue to suggest that Dems and Repubs are identical. Do they work for Steele, Palin, Huckabee? Are they agents provocateurs? Progressives – although I really do doubt that OFG & Margaret are progressives – can become nihilistic and help return the reins of power to the likes of Chaney, Baby Dick, Mike Pense, and Michelle Bachmann, but I sure hope we don’t go there. Look at “workingclass” @ 45 calling Obama’s people a “band of whores”! Get a grip! This nonsense does not help!
What exactly would change from what Obama is doing now?
Help what? Get progressive legislation passed? Like the none that has passed with overwhelming Democratic majorities and a “Democratic” (*snort*) President?
Dems have merged with the GOP in all but name. Doesn’t matter who wins.
Do you think the Chinese would buy?
You are really not paying attention! Ask the unemployed if it matters! If Repubs were in charge the recently passed extension of unemployment benefits would not have passed. If the repubs were in charge there would be no attempt to inventory and account for uranium around the world. “W” could get no help from our European allies in his desire to sanction Iran. Obama extended an invitation for engagement to Iran and he pushed it for nearly a year. Having helped demonstrate Iran’s intransigence, Obama got France and Germany on board in terms of the need to sanction Iran. There are things more important than your or my disappointment that Obama is not what we’d hoped for! He is just incredibly better than anything else out there right now.
Good day to you too.
You just don’t believe in accountability, do you? Don’t worry, you’re not alone. It seems most Americans today don’t believe in accountability. If you’re a Republican voter, then the Republican politicians can do and say whatever they want, as the R voter will not hold them accountable and continue to support them with their vote.
If you’re a Democratic voter, according to you, then the Democratic politicians can do and say whatever they want, and we should not hold them accountable and should instead continue to support them with our vote.
So we’re not supposed to hold them accountable when they lie and/or pass bad legislation. Then why in the hell should the politicians hold anyone else accountable either? So Bush/Cheney can destroy the Constitution, and Obama says we must look forward, not backward.
Wall Street can bring the world economy to it’s knees, but no one should be held to answer for that. Blackwater can massacre a group of civilians on foriegn soil, and no one should even get so much as a fine.
Good luck with any real change occuring when you don’t hold the politicians you support accountalbe when they do wrong. And good luck with doing the same thing over again and expecting a different result.
I believe in accountability, and believe Bush, Cheney, Yoo, and others should face war crimes charges. Obama’s campaign was so full of lies that he should be forced to resign. And when the people I vote for support and pass policies that go against my best interests, I’m not going to continue to support them with my vote.
Radical huh? Actually holding politicians or CEO’s or any other elite accountable. So you go right ahead and send the message that IOKIYAD, you will support them no matter what.
I’m going to look for and support someone who represents my interests, and not support and vote for those that don’t. I’m going to support real progressives and real progressive policy rather than hot air bags who only talk progressive but act right wing.
And please don’t complain when someone like Mr. Massey isn’t held accountable for the deaths of several coal miners. Because if you don’t hold the politicians making the laws accountable for their acts, then you can’t expect them to hold others responsible for their acts.
You have a pleasant day now, and drink all the Kool-Aid you want. There seems to be plenty of it around for all to consume.
It isn’t “what we hoped for”. It is what he promised. We could go through a laundry list that has been covered many times here….
How about just: “I will not sign any legislation that doesn’t have a public option.”
That was a lie. And it’s just one of them.
Obama and Rahm hate progressives. They’d rather deal with the GOP. They are going to have a great opportunity to do just that. Should be very interesting to see how it works out for them.
See # 50. So, you really believed BHO was gonna overcome the power of corporations in one year?
No, I really didn’t think he would make backroom deals with the major players, kneecapping “reform” before it even had a chance in congress.
So rather than fight the entrenched interests, Obama just whored himself out to them. Reminds me of Vichy France.
Oh, Jake, he never said that. He is slick, he is a politician.
While speaking to the nation during his weekly address, the President said that “any plan” he signs “must include…a public option.” [7/17/09]
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Weekly-Address-Health-Care-Reform-Cannot-Wait/
I stand corrected. He ain’t as slick/thorough as I thought.
Here’s the excerpt from the Obama health plan document, now mysteriously gone from the Obama website, but still available thanks to the Wayback Machine.
(1) OBAMA’S PLAN TO COVER THE UNINSURED. Obama will make available a new national health plan which will give individuals the choice to buy affordable health coverage that is similar to the plan available to federal employees. The new public plan will be open to individuals without access to group coverage through their workplace or current public programs.
Oh, Jake, I yielded too soon! You almost sneaked one by me. What BHO said, on the date you reference, is below and it is not quite what you selectively quote:
That is nowhere near “I will not sign any legislation that doesn’t have a public option.”
So where’s the public option that will help “to increase competition and keep insurance companies honest – and choose what’s best for your family.”?
dakine01, you are absolutely right! We did not get a public option and that really pisses me off, but, via Crooks and Liars, we did get:
Here are ten benefits which come online within six months of the President’s signature on the health care bill:
1. Adult children may remain as dependents on their parents’ policy until their 26th birthday
2. Children under age 19 may not be excluded for pre-existing conditions
3. No more lifetime or annual caps on coverage
4. Free preventative care for all
5. Adults with pre-existing conditions may buy into a national high-risk pool until the exchanges come online. While these will not be cheap, they’re still better than total exclusion and get some benefit from a wider pool of insureds.
6. Small businesses will be entitled to a tax credit for 2009 and 2010, which could be as much as 50% of what they pay for employees’ health insurance.
7. The “donut hole” closes for Medicare patients, making prescription medications more affordable for seniors.
8. Requirement that all insurers must post their balance sheets on the Internet and fully disclose administrative costs, executive compensation packages, and benefit payments.
9. Authorizes early funding of community health centers in all 50 states (Bernie Sanders’ amendment). Community health centers provide primary, dental and vision services to people in the community, based on a sliding scale for payment according to ability to pay.
10. AND no more rescissions. Effective immediately, you can’t lose your insurance because you get sick.
Actually, the insurance overlords CAN still practice rescissions as they left a loop hole allowing it for “fraud” which is the exact excuse the insurance companies use today.
Edit: And the reality is, folks are really only being forced to buy insurance, probably with high deductibles and co-pays. These are the people who can least afford it as it is, and they will be forced to purchase something that they then will not really be able to afford to use.
Or do you think that requiring them to pay thousands of dollars to insure a family of four making $50K – $60K is feasible? I forget the exact percentages but it’s enough to throw folks into crippling debt and forcing them to go bankrupt for health care.
You know, like it is today.
All may be lost. The world may end tomorrow. But I doubt it. The point I sought to make, way back when, is that not voting or voting Republican will not further our cause. We are better off then we’ve been for many years. Don’t let anger at things not turning out quite as we’d wished undo what has and will be accomplished.
And my point is that the Insurance Industry bailout under the guise of Health reform, is a scam that has not in anyway fixed the systemic problems that will continue on until the entire industry collapses of its own weight.
In other words, Obama and company had an opportunity and fumbled badly, declared victory, and went home.
“fumbled badly”: can’t argue with that. Hope that won’t make you vote for Republicans or Libertarians! Because I think that is what “Margaret” & “OldFatGuy” want. After pronouncing all politicians “assholes” and claiming that Dems and Repubs are identical, they’ve fled the field. It does matter to poor people and the unemployed whether Dems or Repubs are in charge.
Damned straight progressives ought to withhold their votes from Democrats, at least any Democrat that voted for the HIPPA act. Gee, that would be most Democrats.
I’m not saying vote R, but you bet your ass progressives should not vote Democratic since the Democrats don’t represent progressive values.
If you want to live your whole life afraid of the big bad Republicans and therefore always settle for this crumb or that one, that’s fine, it’s your life. Progressives should vote for candidates that represent Progressive values, and that’s not Democrats.
If Democrats wanted Progressive votes, they would behave in a manner that let us know they wanted our votes. Instead, they’ve pretty much punched us in our face on EVERY issue since we helped them gain the largest D majority in generations.
Yep, I, and lots of other folks in my rural area, after a lifetime of voting D and expecting something different, have finally figured out that the D’s don’t represent our interestes, therefore they, and you, have no claim to our votes. You can say “well that will mean the R’s will win” but if that is the case, then the Democrats in Washington should’ve thought of that before they punched us in the face time after time.
Any progressive voting for any Democrat that voted for the HIPPA act is no progressive, as the defining issue for progressives for some time has been and is health care, specifically single payer. And HIPPA all but eliminates the possibility of Single Payer in the future by further entrenching and enriching the unnecessary middle man, for-profit insurance companies.
So if they lose because lots of progressives withheld their votes from them, and instead either skipped the federal elections or voted for some third party candidates, then it will be nobody’s fault but their own. They did everything they could to deserve an ass whipping at the polls by representing the corporations rather than the voters. I hope they get exactly what they deserve.
Besides, it’s clear they don’t give a shit about our standpoint, but do care deeply about what the corporations want, so therefore they should rely on the corporations for their votes. Real progressives will take their votes in support of real progressive candidates. And most of the time these days, that ain’t a Democrat.
Hope you’ll come back and stop by in November. I think it’s going to be a fun time.
The best part, ok one of the best parts, will be the fawning Rahm articles (which he so dearly loves) will be replaced by ones about how he is the architect of the biggest loss of seats by a congressional party since aught whatever. Ignore your base, lose at the polls. Those who forget history………..something.
You are so right!!
So, because you claim to be pissed at Dems over “the defining issue for progressives” you’ll make the poor & unemployed pay to make your point? Who made you the keeper of what is the defining issue for progressives? What about disarmament, the environment, labor?
Come November,
Gleefully anticipating, encouraging the return of Repub rule is not progressive, it’s nihilistic.
You and your “rural” neighbors just figured out the Dems are part of the corrupt system? You shouldn’t vote!
Boy, I see this “how dare you deny the single fishie cracker in the middle of the shit sandwich” incrementalism is going to be a recurring theme.
How about this……it is in the dems best interest that they are punished severely for their betrayals. File it under “it’s going to hurt me more than it hurts you”. Why should we be the only ones worried about GOP rule? Let congress keep their promises then they would earn our votes. Don’t earn our votes, GOP wins. They decide.
I’m not making the poor and unemployed make my point, no matter how you try and spin that bullshit. And who the hell said anything being gleeful of Repub rule?
You just make shit up as you go along? That sounds just like a Republican. I challenge you to find a post where I’m gleeful about the Republicans winning ANYTHING. Go ahead, find it. (Hint: There’s no such post. ANYWHERE).
And I’m NOT the keeper of what is the defining issue for progressives, I am merely a progressive who has listened to other progressive his whole life and it has been apparent to me that health care has been the signature issue for progressives for a very long time. Have you really not noticed or are you once again just typing whatever bullshit comes out of the end of your fingers?
But I am a firm beleiver in accountability. And what I am gleeful about is the possibility that the Democrats will be held accountable for lying their asses off, and for punching us in the face at EVERY opportunity. It would be a welcome change for someone in this country to finally be held accountable for his/her actions. If progressives withhold their votes from Democrats for acting like right wing Republicans, then they will have gotten exactly what they deserve, and what they asked for.
As to who wins because I and others withhold my votes from them is not up to me. It’s up to all the other voters. You are familiar with that process aren’t you?? You know, whoever gets the most votes wins. So if the Republicans win, then it will be the fault of those people that voted for the Republicans, not me.
Like I said, November should be a fun time. Especially if it’s the beginning of politicians finally being held accountable to the voters. That would be a welcome change, and provide real hope for the future. Just imagine a Democratic Party that felt it had to be accountable to it’s base rather than just take their votes for granted. That would be a much, much better Democratic Party. One I’d be gleeful to see win.