After an introductory video where he called for the type of spending cap and rainy day fund that Californians overwhelmingly rejected last May, former California Governor Jerry Brown took to the stage in Los Angeles to chants of “Jerry! Jerry!” And he delivered a bombshell – calling for an immediate series of debates, before the end of the primary campaign, between himself, Meg Whitman and Steve Poizner, the major candidates for Governor.
Brown released a letter to both Whitman and Poizner calling for three debates around the state, in San Diego, Los Angeles and San Francisco. “We should not delay an honest and open discussion of the issues, and I believe you will agree that 30 and 60-second TV commercials are no substitute for serious debate.”
I think Whitman would disagree, actually. And typically the “call for debates” ploy is the one that the underdog adopts. But in this case, at least Brown is signaling that he wants to reach out and offer a vision for the future of the state. And that vision came today with an absolute pounding of the Wall Street banks and a hefty dose of populism. “Democrats saved this country from the Depression, now Democrats are trying to save this country from the Wall Street ripoff and the credit meltdown,” said Brown.
“Democracy is not about buying hundreds of millions of dollars in 30-second TV ads,” Brown told the assembled delegates. “We’re not consumers of advertising, we’re agents of democratic choice. I think we need a different framework. I am challenging my Democratic Republican opponents to a three-way debate. Come out from behind those glittering poppy fields… come out and debate in prime-time.”
Obviously, Brown is trying to paint his multi-millionaire opponents, particularly Whitman, as marketing tools instead of public servants, and he is positioning himself as the man of ideas in the race instead of the product touted in TV ads.
Brown called for job creation effort through greentech, but insisted that we can’t go back to “the same practices and abuses” in the financial industry “that caused the collapse in the first place… That collapse destroyed over $11 trillion dollars. The greatest bank robbery in the history of this country. The government didn’t do that, Wall Street did that. The market scam operators did that.”
It was an interesting approach that at least shook up the conversation a bit in an otherwise torpid race on the Democratic side of the aisle.




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Go Moonbeam!
Thanks for these reports David.
Hell of a way to have to spend a Saturday though.
California is a blue state but the way elections there always turn out, you’d think that the only people who vote there are from San Diego, Orange and Riverside counties.
flat! :-)
“..I believe you will agree that 30 and 60-second TV commercials are no substitute for serious debate.”
I think Whitman would disagree, actually.
Zing!
The continuing reporting of this race is much appreciated. I’m hoping Brown’s challenges are getting picked up by the MSM. Watching Whitman tap-dance her way out of engaging in open debates will make for some entertaining television.
PEG!
Brown is 72. Do you think he’s seen better days?
Sure, but the alternatives are suckier, no?
Wow. That’s a shopworn observation.
Yet entirely reflective of the situation California is in, isn’t it?
California itself has seen better days.
Ditto U.S.
I feel old well beyond my 65 years, as the whole country seems to be going 60 mph in reverse.
Book Salon up at the Mothership with Ari Melber’s Year One of the Organizing for America – Report hosted by Daniel Galvin
Concur.
If this was a car hurtling over a cliff, the alternatives one seems to have are:
- Step on the gas
- Step on the breaks
- Bail out of the car
- Deus ex machina
As a progressive (whatever that means, but a better description these days than the now clearly outdated “Democrat”) who currently lives in CA, I have my reservations about Jerry Moonbeam, and yes, I do kinda think he’s seen better days. Certainly is NOT out there generating any energy in this fizzled campaign.
That said, we’re getting into the lesser of 2 evils territory. Would that Peter Camejo was still alive and could run. That’s who I’ve voted for in the past, when he was on the ticket.
Eh – we could do much, much worse than Jerry, who is definitely more leftist than some. But I dunno about this race. We’ll see.
And yes, like every other @#!$ race out there, it always ends up being the Republic opinions that “matter.” Well, that’s the way the rightwing media plays it out.
Actually I would like to see debates like this happen. It would definitely be “pass the popcorn” time. Queen Meg definitely believes that she’s entitled to buy this election and then tell us serfs at the bottom to cough up more in taxes than her richie-rich buddy-buddies in CA (of which there are many), and she’ll definitely seek to lower the taxes out here, which is just great… /s
Of course, Emperess Meg couldn’t be bothered to vote before bc I guess she just bought off whomever was needed to buy off. So no big surprise that she believes she can just buy the governorship, too. Why not? Queen Meg and her buddy, Carly the Dolt, both must be bored, and what with all the buckets of cash that they’re rolling in (at the taxpayer’s and stockholder’s expense), why not buy a political hobby??? Serfs to order about: why hoooowww nahice!
Orange County, like San Diego, has historically been a republican stronghold. There is a little burg just north of Orange County with different historical inclinations. Its called Los Angeles.
Well, he looks way better than McLame at 72!
Yeah, I’m aware. Marin County also is different but it sure seems like the Republican counties in the south carry the day far more frequently than one would think.
LOL!! Well, ya just set a very LOW bar, indeed, but on that, I have to agree. I think Jerry’s done less perfidious things than McCain, doncha think?
Speaking of California though, here is some particularly ugly treatment of a gay couple there. Like I said, you’d never know California is a blue state even though it votes that way in presidential elections.
Well Brown hasn’t been involved in burning up an aircraft carrier at least.
I think a lot of people are opting for door #4 there. (It’s like their retirement plans, which are ‘win the lottery’.)
Jerry Brown: “I am challenging my Democratic opponents to a three-way debate. Come out from behind those glittering poppy fields… come out and debate in prime-time.”
Ha! I believe they would rather stay hidden in those glittery poppy fields.
Go get ‘em Jerry.
Where are the suede-denim secret police when we need them??
Go get ‘em, Jerry.
I’ve stated before, being born and growing up in California, most people outside of the state have no idea how red California is. CA gave America Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan. Does B-1 Bob Dornan ring a bell?
I’m proud to say that I was one of “Jerry’s Kids” (real liberals, not a synthetic progressive). You had no choice living in the land of tricky Dick. Ronald Ray-gun taught Republicans to forget trying to appease the left my calling themselves moderates. Ronny made conservatism cool fro the 1980′s. Who will once again make Liberalism cool? Obama? Sadly, we on the left, don’t understand that you must be true to your principles and not back down.
Keep in mind, Jerry Brown was running for the Presidency in 1992, when the MSM and the DLC “discovered” Bill Clinton. With Ross Perot and Pat Buchanan diluting GHW Bush’s base, the Democratic nominee in all likelihood would become the next POTUS, that year.
Eight years of President Jerry Brown would have installed, the old California higher educational system across America, his father, Governor Pat Brown, created in the golden state. Democratic issues such as National Healthcare, a smaller military, stronger unions, consumer protections, all the things Republicans across this country despise about California, would be the law of the land today.
Go, Jerry! you should have been no. 42.
Is he challenging Aguirre & Symmon here? In context ($millions in ads, etc.) it sounds like a challenge to Meg/Steve, but ‘Democratic opponents’ seems pretty clear, unless it was a misstatement or mis-scribing…
This prune picker loves Jerry. 72? All the better, remember, he’s a health nut and he looks it. Shooting down Whitman ought to be among the easiest tasks for a good PR gang.
go go Jerry. We could do MUCH worse. And E-Meg is the first that comes to mind. It’s about time he made some waves. I want to see these debates!
After Lady Ebay wins the primary, it seems like she would support the majority vote budget.
Requiring 2/3 basically makes the governor a bystander; she would want to have the power to negotiate her own deals with the Dem Leadership.
But I think that pre-supposes that eMeg is actually interested in governing and doing the correct things that are needed for the state rather than just continuing to privatize and slash services for most folks and cut taxes for her good buddies.
really Peg??? That was my mom’s nick name and my sister was called Peggins….
Just my opinion, but I doubt it
See here and here and somewhat related
Too much moola for her old friends at GS to make by shorting Cali state and muni bonds
Hell, I’m 72 and I surely had better days and some of those days were walking in the boonies in nam lookin for someone to kill….
Welcome Back Jerry good to see a grownup making some sense.
You will provide humanity, common sense, and balance to what was going to become a circus. California will at least have a fighting chance with you at the helm.
Just this old Chief’s 2¢
Rite On TPAZ! The Browns are the ones who built the good life in California, not the Rayguns or other Repig Buttsniffers out there.
For a while it wasn’t “hip” to be pro-Jerry, while Gavin Newsome (activists’ dream candidate) was a contender.
Among real people, however, Jerry is the man.
He’s the type who would govern well out of principle.
Gray Davis, come back! All is forgiven!
Davis made Al Gore look charismatic, and he lacked scruples (not to be confused with being corrupt)… But he was not an incompetent moran, nor was he a Hollywood poser.
Gray Davis got pilloried for restoring the vehicle registration fee (car tax) right it was necessary to do so. Then Arnold comes in a plays bookkeeping games with the state budget till the IOUs come due and the income has taken a nosedive (thanks to Wall Street and Look-the-other-way George). And Gray was mocked for accusing the energy companies of screwing over California consumers. Then we found out he was right and that Arnold had been smoking cigars with the robber barons while they planned Gray’s ouster. We do owe Gray Davis an apology.
As for Jerry Brown, he has shown with his call for a three-person debate that he hasn’t lost his skill for being provocative. Brown doesn’t have to spend any money on name recognition, so he can use his resources to remind Californians that Whitman thinks the state is for sale on eBay. No. Only the GOP nomination is for sale.
Jerry Brown was the smartest governor we’d had since his father. He’s in great shape and, unlike Whitman, knows how the state operates. Whitman decided she wanted to be governor and is now boning up on governorship with a tutor. Unfortunately, it’s the same guy who tutored Schwarzenegger.
We need a professional governor, not someone looking for a hobby.
California is quite RED when you look at some of those places and this is because since I’ve been alive anyway, you took the Democrats for granted in big population centers like Los Angeles or San Fransisco and if turnout was low, we paid for it with Republicans Governors because White Republicans feel its their civic duty to vote while Democrats in general have not earned Progressive, Poor/Working vote for a very long time.
Clinton gave as “Welfare Reform” and NAFTA, how do you like those results?
That being said there other Democratic candidates but the CDNC is not interested in jumping behind another newbie candidate. They want an experienced politician since no Senator stepped forward, it looks like its Brown.
So its OUR job to push him Progressive. He might not the typical Progressive/Liberal but he’s farther to the left than Obama or most candidates I can think of.
Feh! Laura Wells already calls for an end to the two-thirds rule. She belongs in the debates.
Her campaign advisor is none other than Pete Wilson, Mr Prop 187 and “3 Strikes Law”
Whitmann is CEO, just say that enough and she won’t get elected, can you name a CEO with a positive public imagine and wasn’t Whitmann in charge of eBay before people started calling it FleaBay?
I agree about Laura Wells and she could pull Brown more to the left than from left of center where he currently stands on most issues.
Thanks TPAZ. I would take Jerry Brown over any Democrat I can think of holding public office today. I will be surprised if he doesn’t win. Calling for debates and running against Wall Street. Sounds right to me.
Does Brown get off the hook for his action on the California Democracy Act, action which frames the issue in defeatist ‘raise tax’ language instead of fairness and democracy? Maybe there are newer developments on this issued I havent heard about. Incidentally, I am temporarily based in CA.
They didn’t call us the Golden State for nothing.
The media took his out-of-the-box thinking and twisted it into Gov. Moonbeam. I remember in the 1970′s we were going through a typical California drought, and Jerry Brown signed into law a bill that required all toilet to use not more than 1.5 gallons of water. The press laughed. They asked why should a Governor care about the amount of water a toilet uses?
Yeah, I one of Jerry’s Kids. Damn right!
He refused to live in the Reagan-built mansion, which was described as a tribute to drab suburban construction, only supersized to demonstrate that the governor needs more bathrooms and bedrooms, etc. That was sensible. Driving a Dart (as my Oregon Representative Peter DeFazio still does) was also a nice touch.
That was then. I’m still curious as to his current stance vis-a-vis the 14 words of the California Democracy act.
Why frame decisions on revenue as ‘raising [my] taxes,’ as George Lakoff explains that AG Brown’s language for the ballot title for the initiative does?
So with ya on this. Issue after issue this is true from his time as Gov. Jerry just had a talk at Google (avail on YouTube) where he explains so much of this. “Moonbeam” came from Jerry’s advocacy of a satellite specifically for the state of California in the 1970s. He wanted to digitize the state operations at the time, and history shows he was decades ahead, and had people listened to Jerry then they would’ve saved many millions.
I was little kid and saw him speak as Gov and he was advocating basically what is now termed the “Green Movement,” just 30 years ahead of most of the country. Starting with can recycling because of that speech, I became a life-long evironmentalist, and have organized several successful “green” initiatives over the years, affecting thousands in my various communities over the years, and all stemming from Jerry’s inspiration. I haven’t agreed with him on every issue, but it’s ridiculous to think that two people will agree with each other on everything…ever.
Jerry is a leader and visionary in the truest sense, and considering how well he does in statewide elections and seeing him at that recent Google talk, Meg and Steve would do well to just drop out now and put that same money into some nonprofits where it could actually do some good. Jerry’s still got it and everyone else is just a fool to think they’re going to stop this buzzsaw. Go Jerry!
Jerry needs to get a major presence on the internet going. And this can only happen if he CONTINUES to be OUT THERE. Many Dems have been worried that the Meg show could take up down the right-wing path to another Republican in the gov’s seat. He needs to start talking about her Wall Street allegiances, her off shore account(s?), and that “meaning what she says” really MEANS for Californians.///
And the response would be…?