Sue Lowden was the front-runner for the GOP nomination for US Senate in Nevada. She was favored to defeat Democratic Majority Leader Harry Reid and go to Washington in just under a year.
I’m putting this in the past tense after her statement to a local station in Nevada that should, at least, be disqualifying for any public service job.
I’m telling you that this works. You know, before we all started having health care, in the olden days our grandparents, they would bring a chicken to the doctor, they would say I’ll paint your house. I mean, that’s the old days of what people would do to get health care with your doctors. Doctors are very sympathetic people. I’m not backing down from that system.
Lowden actually first offered the “barter” for health care idea a couple weeks ago, but defending it in public – with video – takes it to a whole other level.
Like most Americans, I don’t have any chickens at home, nor do I have much other items of value that a doctor would be likely to take in lieu of cash. I suppose I could buy a chicken, but at that point, you’re just adding a step, really. I’m thinking a KFC Double Down might even yield a full surgery as opposed to what you could get from an uncooked chicken, but what do I know, I’m not running for Senate.
I think the general consensus from the non-crazy portion of the electorate is that we’ve advanced from the time when we bartered for goods, and that has generally been a societal positive.
I’m not the only one getting a huge kick out of this. The DSCC has already started with a “Chickens for Checkups” website. Lowden doesn’t seem like the type who would give up on this nonsense, so the laughs should roll on for several more months.
This will reach a tipping point if Lowden’s Republican rivals start using it against her. That will be interesting to see.




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That Harry Reid is one lucky son-of-a-bitch. This could only be better for him if it had happened in October.
Between this Lowden implosion and the indicted teabagger independent candidate, I’d say Dick Durbin’s and Chuck Schumer’s chances of becoming Majority Leader got a lot smaller this week.
There’s already a viral video about this featuring dancing chickens and techno beats. Thanks for the laughs Sue!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZezfjWox5s
I’m amazed at how many people gave her the benefit of the doubt early on and thought she was talking about
bickeringbargaining over the price. She wasn’t the only nutcase to advance the concept of bartering for medical services.imagine the possibilities for tax collection. Instead of the whiskey rebellion we could have a chicken rebellion. How far do you have to go back to reach a society that doesn’t use money or coinage?
Benefit of the doubt…let’s talk turkey. I have had several pretty complicated surgeries, and I am betting some of them would have taken a whole hen house….Now, where would I get that, Sue?
Oh, crap, I haven’t laughed like this for weeks.
Good Lordy. There must be really BIG rocks in Nevada for this woman to have been hiding under.
That’s a cute video. Thanks cciniv. (what does that mean? Kindly asking)
Words fail me… Buck buck buck… What a cluck.
Show some respect….this may be the answer to saving Medicare.
It costs what, a couple grand here to get an MRI? How many chickens is that? Frozen or live?
Beauty queen. Miss New Jersey, 1973. Married a rich, organized-crime connected casino owner. Became a local TV “news anchor.”
You would think that somewhere along the line she would have had to work her way through the actual basics of the most important issues.
But no. She’s a dope.
i can’t resist sneaking in a comment during my 2nd-shift lunch break.
A friend who lives in Nevada says Lowden is a casino owner … i say let all the casino patrons start paying in chickens. Bet she’d squawk about that!
Receptionist: Insurance Card?
Farmer Lowden: Nope. Ain’t got insurance. How ’bout a chicken?
Receptionist (to Doctor in the backroom): This guy has no insurance and he wants to give you a chicken. Should I call the police?
Doctor: By all means. He’s likely psychotic. We can’t have him disrupting the office.
Whispering, “And this is what I went to medical school for.?
Simply put, Lowden comes across as a moron for these remarks. Certainly her people should hold a tighter rein rather than allow her to speak stupidly.
I’m warming up to this whole barter idea. I mean my slogan: You give me a visit to the doctor and it will get you a visit to THE Doktor ifyanowadimean wink wink
Sue Lowden can actually be a Republican candidate in the first place? What does that say about the party?
How does she suggest people should “barter” for major surgeries? In the “olden” days she is referring to, there were fewer surgeries and limited knowledge. Something we take for granted today, insulin, wasn’t even discovered until 1921. This is a whole different world from the “olden” days. Bartering for goods, fine…bartering for healthcare…I see “regressive” policy changes daily, but her statements are ridiculous. In the 21st century, we should have had a system where the citizens of this country no longer have to worry about “bartering” for healthcare or going bankrupt for our health. The only real solution…less military spending, more social safety nets for citizens – Medicare for everyone.
So, she’s a casino owner and she doesn’t understand the value of using money for exchange in society? Yikes.
What a fucking idiot.
Yep. Barter. The wave of the future. Lowden is obviously much more aware of the poverty of the U.S. family and their inability to engage in the money financial system than anyone in the progressive left.
Well, she does have a point. This is how the Chicken Ranch in La Grange Texas started out. Yes folks, it was a real place, and the farmboys really did exchange chickens for . . . . What a hoot!!
Lowden for La Grange!
Now there is one of the best campaign slogans I have seen in awhile.
Rachel just commented; Does Ms. Lowden think the doctor can take that chicken and then go pay for electricity and rent? Think of how far that chicken might get to before it landed in a pot!
This may cause far fewer problems for her than it really (REALLY) should because to her likely base:
1 – barter = folksy = not “elite”.
2 – the idiocy will be quickly new-cycled and spun onto an “out-of-context” excuse. Then forgotten.
And anyway, the only true* third-rail issue in Nevada is taxation.
She has yet to learn, it seems, the Prime Directive of modern political actors: Keep to the script until (re)elected.
* Yeah, even more (IMO) than Yucca Mtn.
I went to Vegas recently. Granted, I wasn’t looking for them, but I did not see a single opportunity for bartering.
OTOH, My credit cards took a pretty good hit. Maybe some of it went to Lowden. If she can barter in Vegas, she’s got skills. She should give me a refund. She doesn’t need money.
Lowden = Dumber than Palin
Finally, bipartisanship:
Democrats – “Healthcare for All!”
+
Republicans – “A Chicken in every Pot!”
= “Pot Healthcare for All Chickens!”
Q:Why did the stoned chicken cross the road? A: “Dude!”
OK. Let’s get economicscal here. A plucked processed chicken is worth about $6? Maybe $10? A docs visit is worth a minimum of a couple of hundred $$? (Help me out here. Manhattan rates much above the national norm.) So a minimum of 20 processed chickens for one docs visit? How practical is that? /s
Where did you get the idea she meant a processed chicken? I don’t think that is what she meant at all. But, I live in rural Kansas.
So 40 unprocessed chickens for one doc’s visit?
Cock A Doddle Doo are we counting calories from that KFC Double Down, DD?
Calorie per dollar!
Fine post, now to catch up on the snark, cuz THIS one’s laden and larded and loaded for it!
When they come for payment GIVE THEM THE BIRD!!!!
*G*
I just read that Evo Morales is telling Colombian men not to eat chickens b/c of the female hormones in them, leading to problems with being “a man.”
If the Doctors in Nevada feel the same way, I guess chickens won’t have much to worry about. Unless all the docs in NV are women. Or something.
I hope people have a “chicken-in” at the casino. A chicken in every slot!
What a dumb cluck.
Ummm, from the foxes guarding it?
;-)
Not making light of the surg’s . . . by any means.
But yes, the mind boggles on this one.
You can’t FIX this kind of stupid.
Michelle Bachman best look out, this one’s batshit crazedier n she is!
When I offered my urologist the opportunity to give me a blow job in exchange for treating my prostate, he threw me out of his office. What went wrong? Didn’t Sue say you could give a cock? Is there a gender issue here?
A chicken in every medpot?
Lowden don’t know shit. Chicken shit!
*G*
Hey, this is about chickens, not sheep . . . it’s a family show ya know . . . *G*
I actually ran into this in the real world about 2 decades ago. Was going back to Denver from Vail in a van and talk turned to medical inflation. One of the passengers was an elderly widow of an old-fashioned doc, just the kind that Lowden is talking about. That sweet ole thing didn’t talk specifically about taking chickens for treatment, but rather about how her late husband took whatever he could get for payment from his patients. I pointed out that’s called price discrimination in the economics literature, i.e., charging each customer whatever they can afford, which maximizes the revenue to the supplier of medical services. Wonder why she took umbrage.
Actually, it was not all that long ago that in isolated parts of the country, part of the bill for medical services was paid in farm produce. It was very common in SW Virginia during the Great Depression. In fact, one of the long standing institutions in the area, The Barter Theatre in Abington VA, had its origins in that period, and I believe still operates. Things that are “brought in” as part of the price of tickets, Home made Jams, Jars of Honey, woodworking, ceramic pieces, etc., are sold in a sort of gift store for the benefit of the place.
Up into the Second World War, it was not at all unusual to pay Doctors with dressed Chickens, Eggs, Hams, side meat, and canned fruits and vegetables. But because local stores also sold such home processed products, if you didn’t have use for your chickens, you could barter them at the local general store for other products — or against your bill. You could also pay the Doc with home made Whiskey from your still bottled in Mason Jars, and it was as good as money. In effect there was an excess of farm produce that could not be sold for cash — there was actually a lack of cash in the local economy — so barter economies grew up alongside the cash economy. One of my cousins told me about people paying their taxes on land in produce in Wythe County VA right into the post war period, and the local hospital, old age home, and some of the very poor drew from the food collection for their needs. He was a county commissioner at the time the Food Stamp program was first introduced in the mid 1960′s, was a strong supporter in a community that had its doubts about Johnson’s Great Society Programs, and he used the barter tradition with which everyone was familiar as a point in making the argument for supporting the introduction of Food Stamps for the poor.
Returning to economical here, I do intend to raise one steer for food, due to the cost of beef. Grass and water is free, some grain, last thirty days on grain. Cost of butchering and processing. And it will save me about the cost of one month’s health insurance premium for me and my children; about a thousand dollars.
*spews*
Sending keyboard bill soon . .
*G*
Nicely crafted, hoss . . .
Not to mention the added costs the doc’s incur to season and cook them damned birds!
Yeah, this is all plucked up, ain’t it . .
Yes, that was a long, long time ago.
But I’m thinking, things might have been better then, too . .
;-)
Sara, you from the south?
The most amazing thing, if one allows oneself to be drawn for a second out of the all-too-appropriate-cynicism, is how willing the U.S. is to allow itself to be forced backward economically. Yes, people make fun of the idea, but without recognizing that even bringing it up is revealing.
Eighteenth and early nineteenth century, in the US. Most of the hard cash was in the cities – that’s part of the cause of Shays’s Rebellion, and a lot of the other little movements that got stomped. They were being asked to pay taxes in hard cash, and many people in rural areas didn’t have hard cash and couldn’t get it; they paid in kind or bartered.
http://www.bgladd.com/LowdonKFChealthPlan.jpg
“Sara, you from the south?”
My Mother’s Family is — but she excaped before the Depression. SW Virginia’s Wythe, Grayson and Carroll County were all settled up by her extended family right after the American Revolution. The family built and owned the shot tower on the New River, which you can see from I77, (on National Historic Register), and made lead shot for those going west into Tennessee and Kentucky for several generations. They traded lead shot for all sorts of stuff in the early 1800′s, much of which eventually was traded into timber land, and then when machine made shot won out over the old tower drop method of manufacture, they closed down the shot tower, sold the lead mines to a New Jersey Corporation, and turned to cutting and dressing timbers for coal mines, and for railroad sleepers. They operated for more than a century in both the cash and barter economies.
The other part of her family was from North Carolina, down southwest of Ashville. They were deep back county people — engaged in some horse stealing, particularly during the Civil War. Stole from both sides, and took the horses to Missouri for sale to those who wanted to make the trek to the Pacific. They also did a good deal of Whiskey making, a trade my Grandfather practiced in Wyoming during Prohibition.
But I have visited the South only — on my Father’s side I date back to the 1630′s in and around Boston, Dorchester and eventually Salem. One of my Ancestors was arrested, but not tried in the Salem Witch Trials. I consider myself very much a Yankee, by preference.
Since I own chickens this a good idea, except that since a chicken is worth about $3.00, I’d have to bring the Doc about 50 of them for a checkup. Where would he keep all of them, and if several people took up the offer…?
In his chicken coop, silly:).
So, let’s recap: The mega-millionaire, casino owning, repthug senatorial-wannabe bimbo gives us the benefit of her profound reflections on American healthcare thus: BARTER.
She herself, of course, will never want for appropriate health-care funds, but this is what the Republican party has to offer the bankrupt, foreclosed, unemployed, uninsured or underinsured American people, the latest version of “you’re on your own”.
Yes, friends and neighbors, need bypass surgery? Hand that surgeon some o’ Grandmaw’s calfsfoot jelly!
Chemotherapy? Radiation therapy? Drugs? Diagnostic testing? Heart transplant? Physical therapy? Disability? Throw in some biscuits with the chickens. All the doctors, therapists, surgeons, pharmacists and other technicians will LOVE it!
Problem SOLVED!
My only question is WHY this person was allowed to spew this utterly insane bullshit at all.
We already know that the republicans intend to rape the people of every dime of their own money, grudgingly doled out to them in the form of ANY social safety net.
Anybody who entertained any doubt on this subject need only watch this video.
This party is the enemy of the people and anyone who votes for them is insane.
No, not insane–I am a psychologist so I do know something about that–rather, for the most part, they are privileged and/or ignorant. In her case, both. I suspect she is of the conviction the people have cake as well as chickens. God I hope SNL does something on this, as it really is pathetically funny were it not for the damage.
The Surgeons’ Bank Account
http://fair-and-square.org/files/images/chicken_farm.jpg
I wondered what it would take to make me want to see Harry win. But this is it. Amazing, how it takes one over privileged pea brain to remind me that yes, the Dems are better. Weak and pathetic, but at least they don’t have a pathological desire to turn the country into Somalia.
Reid supporters will probably encourage people to go to her families casinos with chickens, try to pay their bills with chickens, etc.
This should be out of the park on the first swing by Harry, right?
I mean, after all, Health Care is so much more affordable after his, Nancy’s and Barry’s HCR was enacted.
The Health Care and Insurance issue is Toxic. I wish all Dems good friggin luck trying to spin it come September and October.
Odd, she doesn’t look old enough to have lived through the Great Depression. Which really was the last gasp of the barter economy. Lots of small business people, not just doctors, took produce or poultry or whatever in trade.
But then came WWII, and then the postwar, when the US standard of living was actually rising steadily, as the middle class grew. No more accepting chickens for medical care.
Besides, post war also came, as someone mentioned above, antibiotics, chemothereapy, radiation thereapy, drugs for heart disease and high blood pressure and asthma and on and on. Are the pharmaceutical companies going to accept chickens for payment?
Wondering if doctors can pay their utilities and office rent, payments on med equipment doesn’t even go far enough — did doctors in the 30′s have medical education debts of $150,000? Malpractice insurance?
Yeah, I know I’m preaching to the choir here, just needed to get out what’s been running in my head since seeing this yesterday.
Sigh.
Isn’t it the Repubs that keep complaining that Dem energy policy will destroy our “American standard of living?”
The last time I was in Las Vegas I saw a bumper sticker that seemed to capture the essence of the city–”Money talks and Bullshit walks”. Here’s hoping I’m right and the good people of Nevada follow the above mantra and put her in the rear view mirror.