Both Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid released statements on the new immigration law signed yesterday by Arizona Governor Jan Brewer, and both of them use it as a tool to spur action on comprehensive reform in Congress. Reid said that the law “provides another important example of why we need to fix our broken system.” Pelosi concurred, adding that “Our nation has been sustained and strengthened by immigrants from generation to generation and that is why today’s action in Arizona is misguided and irresponsible. Families have come to the United States hoping for a better life and striving for a brighter future. We must do everything in our power to build on that tradition by passing comprehensive immigration reform and ensuring our nation’s cherished civil rights.” Reid told the coalition working on an immigration bill that they have three weeks to reach a deal or he’ll bring his own bill to the floor. He clearly wants to strike while the ink is fresh on SB1070.
But not everyone is so concerned with turning the Arizona law to political advantage, however much that advantage would actually aid those being persecuted. Some are taking the fight directly to Arizona. Students have been massing outside the Arizona Statehouse for five days in protest of the measure. Presente.org is trying to organize 1 million people in opposition. And Raul Grijalva, who has faced death threats for saying that Americans should boycott Arizona after passage of this law, called on the President to “limit [federal] cooperation with Arizona officials in their enforcement of SB 1070.”
“SB 1070 would exacerbate the problem of racial profiling . . . and would continue to compromise the civil rights of citizens, legal residents, tourists and foreign visitors,” the letter says.
The letter also asks Obama to cut off any further potential Memorandums of Understanding between the Department of Homeland Security and state law enforcement officials regarding immigration enforcement. Such agreements, the letter says, “have been subject to serious concerns as local law enforcement agencies have used the new powers to target communities of color, including a disproportionate number of Latinos for arrest.”
“This law will put every policeman in the state on notice that their main duty from now on is to question Hispanics about their citizenship,” Grijalva said. “This is a discriminatory policy that cannot be enforced without committing grave breaches of due process and equal protection. The law will not withstand legal scrutiny, and I call on the president immediately to reject it in the strongest possible terms.”
The legal question is a legitimate one. Even Mike Huckabee said that the law will open up Arizona to a “plethora” of civil rights lawsuits. With racial profiling illegal, practically the only way to administer SB1070 would be to harass white people for their papers as well, a “careful what you wish for” moment if there ever was one.
I mentioned the other day the backlash against then-Arizona Governor Evan Mecham for canceling the Martin Luther King holiday for stae employees. I remember Public Enemy’s “By the Time I Get To Arizona” and all the boycotts. Eventually Mecham gave up, created a non-paid holiday, and within a year was impeached and under felony indictment. We’ve been here before in Arizona. And this could end the same way.




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I wonder if surrounding states should pass laws that allows an examination of papers of people from Arizona.
I mean, if Arizona thinks they needed to pass such a law as they did, perhaps other states should take the heads up and help Arizona weed out “undesirables”, by demanding birth certificates, etc. from all Arizona residents./s
I’m not sure passage of SB1070 provides “political advantage” to anybody. It just amps up feelings on both sides. If Reid does go ahead and introduce immigration reform legislation in 3 weeks, I think he’s going to be in for a tough slog.
Nice spin Nancy you pandering hack. Lawful Legal Immigration is the bedrock of our nations’ growth.
But it doesn’t really surprise me that Nancy avoided the reference of legal and lawful immigration.
Hell Nancy, let’s just fall back into anarchy, let everyone do as they chose, the hell with the rule of law.
At his blog at the Boston Globe today, Mr Pierce mentions a point raised by Keith Olbermann the other night. What happens next spring during Spring Training when half the MLB clubs are in and around Arizona? A lot of brown folks will be driving the highways and byways of the area.
Such a shame for the state if clubs decide to break their leases after a few too many players are stopped and harassed by local constabulary.
I doubt if anyone driving an Audi, Beemr, Mercedes etc will be pulled over.
I think I would actually take that as a bet. We’re talking folks like Arpaio who would assume that any brown people driving a car like that had to be a drug dealer or smuggler or something.
Especially young men.
Shoot, I hate loosing at bets.
What did we wager?
Shows how much you know about racial profiling.
Black men driving expensive cars such as you mentioned are more likely to be pulled over, on the theory that they must have stolen it.
dakine – missed that before I raced to post. What beverage would you like?
Who could have anticipated….
Pelosi & Reid issued sternly worded statements.
Not mutually exclusive…did you deliberately misunderstand?
At least someone around here understands that this has sod-all to do with human rights and everything to do with cheap labor.
This has probably already been asked. And not taking into consideration the civil rights aspect. How does Arizona plan to pay for enforcement, space taken up in their jails, more police to watch them until they are sent back to Mexico, and then who will pay for their trip back to Mexico?
Not to mention defending the lawsuits that will be filed.
Suppose there’s some back room deal with agribiz, etc., to game the law. Haven’t figured out what it might be yet. Prison labor?
Definitely makes sense. Someone has to make money off this.
The private prison system in California is about the only thing in this state making money.
Arizona Sheriff Joe “Civil rights? What civil rights?” Arpaio has his prisoners in tents, eating rations you would not feed to your rabid dog.
The foundation is laid.
Hey RevBev
I’m just incredibly angry with the leadership in D.C. People are dying attempting to reach a spot in the US so they can simply earn some money to eat, to feed their families.
And our leadership games it into a voting block. I’m tired of vomiting while witnessing our republic kill those most vulnerable.
Jim Moss’ diary is upstairs!
Driven to Destruction – The End of The Interstate Age
Its basically hate speech embodied as law. The upside is that it is a publicity stunt.
Taken at face value, the law woild be emblematic i believe of a trend towards
American apartheid. More practically, if the enforcement goal of the law
(getting rid of ”illegals”) was to be thoroughly pursued, the result
i believe would be arizona exempting itself from major portions of
the economy. In other words, the governor is eagerly awaiting the striking down of the law
before arizona suffers economically.
~~~Edited to preserve margins~~~
Just a question- how many commenters/ posters have actually read the law to see if the rhetoric matches fact?
During the HC debate, demonizing things like death panels- not in the hc law of course- were viewed by partisans as gospel.
Is our side actually reading the law and citing passages that substantiate our claims?
And if you’re brown and buying a house, you must be doing the same thing, because ‘everybody knows’ that if you’re brown, you’re either illegal or a dealer. (Ran into that one in W Texas – the brown person involved was a nurse at the local hospital, for Ghu’s sake.) I suspect most real drug dealers are middle-to-upper-income white males.
E. A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, WITHOUT A WARRANT, MAY ARREST A PERSON
IF THE OFFICER HAS PROBABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE THAT THE PERSON HAS COMMITTED
ANY PUBLIC OFFENSE THAT MAKES THE PERSON REMOVABLE FROM THE UNITED STATES.
Death panels in HRC wasn’t; warrantless arrests in AZ immigration reform is; law based on subjective opinion isn’t law at all; ’nuff said. Period.
(To ModNote;) The all-caps was a direct cut-paste from the Arizona government site. I wanted to be sure I was quoting the exact text of the legislation. If anyone was shouting, it was them. lol So I apologize on their behalf.
Yes, we made our way over there and found the text in all-caps.
Edited again, without prejudice.
Apologies.
That would be nice but I don’t think the governor is that smart.
Dr. Kirk Murphy is upstairs!
Bouncing the rubble: Biden and Rubin star at Hamilton Project relaunch
This is akin to having pass laws for non-white citizens. Arizonians should repudiate this turn toward fascism. The Democrats can do more than wag their finger and say how “irresponsible.” They can cut off federal funds to Arizona until they repudiate this BS. Time to play hardball before some trigger-happy cop turns would-be Rambo.
Both Obama and Napolitano should have seen this coming. Their protests seem pretty disingenuous to me. Janet vetoed such bills before as Governor of AZ. She was doing much more for civil rights in that position, making sure that Arpaio and the Minutemen didn’t take over the state.
I’m much more cynical Carol.
I believe they’re preparing to game the electorate. Use the outrage to provide amnesty, and then they’ll receive a new voting bloc of constituents.
The ‘O’ has proven he has no interest in the people.
That’s a really fair question, azhealer. I’ve been wondering something similar.
How many people have even been to AZ and understand the problems that led the state to put something of their own in place while DC drags their feet dealing with the issue of illegals?
I’m appalled by the calls to boycott AZ…starving out our own citizens because they are looking for solutions to their own problems…worse yet, attorneys calling for boycotts so these illegals can continue breaking the law!
You might want to research a bit more on Napolitano and immigration. In 2005 she signed something you might want to read.
So he wants to help immigrants, but not real people? Like you?
With respect for azhealer’s concern about us opining about bill we may or may not have read:
some of us have read the legislation.
It strikes me initially as overbroad. Rereading it does not relieve the anxiety. It is a catch-all, giving such latitude to on-the-spot law enforcement that it would be difficult to act outside it’s mandates.
If I thought Brewer was doing something to provoke a federal response, that would be one thing. I did, however, watch her ham-handed presser at the signing.
IMHO.
I lived in Arizona from 2003 until three weeks ago, so I don’t need to do any additional research. Napolitano certainly wasn’t perfect but she kept the worst of the state at bay.
please take your apologies for Obama some place else
I don’t believe there’s any eleventy dimensional chess going on here. If it quacks like a racist duck, well . . .
Like I said, Brewer’s presser was just a cherry on top of that conclusion. To call it evasive is like describing the sun as not-cold.
~~~ModNote: Take each other on on issues, leave the personal insults at the door, please.~~~
Thanks for the reminder.
Tolerance for intentional ignorance is difficult for me.
Sorry to disrupt decorum.
librty,
Were you as concerned for the “rule of law” during the Cheney-Bush admin when it was brutally disregarded?
Just wondering. In a polite and civil way. If you know what I mean.
Lurking Mod, is this more acceptable?
More so, not even in the same reality.
and I’m incredibly angry about the current use of Unlimited Detention and ExtraJudicial Punishment
My writing may not have expressed my thoughts. I believe the current Speaker of the House, Majority Leader and President will make political capital out of the situation.
I have no faith in the current leadership.
Excellent!
I still don’t understand your issue at #3.
We’re all immigrants here (excepting Native Americans.)
I had an ancestor who arrived on the Mayflower.
Legal or illegal?
Everything is politics.
Always has been, always will be.
You don’t like?
Sorry.
That’s not the issue I was pointing out.
Pelosi is not being straight. She has ‘outrage’ today. Where was she last week, or the week before?
We have a large number of people in the country that do not have the legal right to be here and work here but when she expresses her ‘outrage’, she speaks about the immigration that built the nation.
Refer to my comment @ # 18
While the political game goes on, people die, walking into Arizona, in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I will not agree to the rationalization that “Everything is politics” when their political game is killing people, innocents.
nope, they are too but have just been here a few thousand years more than us.
There are many refugees awaiting resettlement to the US. Some are Iraqis living in camps in Jordan. There are many in different camps in different parts of the world. All waiting their turn.
What would you do, allow every citizen of Mexico to immigrate here before any other people? There needs to be a system and it has to be followed.
I don’t like it either.
But denial of reality doesn’t improve things.
Sorry that we’ve failed to communicate here.
Thanks for bringing the temperature down.
We may very well be opposed to the same abuses that threaten our nation and our freedom
Obviously, there wasn’t any forethought when the legislature passed this piece of crap and the governor signed it.
When Huckabee and Fox News guy Napolitano criticise your decision (mostly focusing on the lawsuit part, which is absolutely correct), you know you’re screwed.
Well, actually there is a system, but you’re right, it is not followed.
If it were followed and we could magically disappear all the illegals, corporate America (food growers, processors, restaurant chains, on and on) would have a f***ing conniption fit. They would demand that their cheap labor be returned. They would make huge $$ contributions to politicians who promised to bring their laborers back.
It’s all politics, all the time.
I know you hate that.
Again, sorry.
Also sorry to have turned this thread into a private chat.
Moving along now…
Where is the arrest warrant law for the employers of those here illegally?
You’ll never see it, just as you’ll never see real, across the board enforcement of immigration law. Illegal immigrants and big business have a lovely symbiotic relationship going for them, with each propping up the other. Meanwhile, the country continues to rot.
I want to see if they are going to ask ALL ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS for papers or just hispanics.
Your just waiting to cry racial discrimination Cynt. The GREAT majority of our immigration problems lie with south American countries. So it is safe to say that these are the people that it will effect the most.
And Wj, your not going to see the employers for large Corps get arrested any time soon. Politicians have stakes and stocks in a lot of these companies and they are not going to do anything do damage there retirement plans. Combine that with the corrupt system of Lobbyists in Washington, and you get absolutely ZERO productivity on the issue.
Immigration isn’t the problem. It simply shows the true agenda’s of the fakes currently in office. It’s all about the money. They cry that these people are “just trying to make a better life for themselves” ***as I shed a tear*** Well if they care so much about people in general, why not stop the genocide slowly happening in African Nations? Why not do 1 of 100 different things? There is no money in it. Illegal aliens are simply slaves for the US government retirement plan.
Personally…I think the US has enough problems without having 12 million illegals coming in and taking what few jobs remain. In no way am I racist. I wish no ill will or harm on anyone. But I say if you want a better county, then stand up and make it happen just as we did. Not only will you respect it more, but you will fight and die to keep it.
A government should fear it’s people, not the other way around. Which doesn’t seem to be the case in the US anymore. You all actually think we live in a Democracy still lol?
Ah, you mean like the Irish immigrants that are once again flooding the Boston area after the collapse of the Irish bubble? Yeah, funny how nobody’s crusading to kick those folks out of the country.
Oh, business loves this arrangement. If the workers live in fear of being turned in to the authorities, then they don’t demand decent pay, much less unions.
Hummmm. I wonder if any of you have actually read the law? I have, in part, and it really doesn’t say anything different than what is already on the books. Seems to me Arizona statute pretty much mirrors the Federal Statute, that has been on the books for decades. Kinda makes the arguments coming from you CIP’s and BBL’s seem a mite foolish,uninformed, and hollow.
Are you saying that we have a problem with illegal immigrants from Ireland? Can you quantify the numbers, please?
Any company that is found to be willfully employing illegals should be fined 100% of that years profits.
Apologies if this is a dupe.
Arizona militia recruiting veterans with ‘kill records’ to patrol border.
LINK.
Why would they have a conniption fit? They could just hire non-illegals to do these jobs. Just look at the plants in the mid west, who were raided by the INS. The next day, hundreds of AMERICANS where lined up to apply for those positions that the illegals once held.
Cool. At least these “recruits” have firearms training, which is a lot better, in my opinion, than having those without training doing the patrolling. Just saying.
to colorado 33 … I would not say rot for those who are profiting so much from near slave labor! No, rot is not the right word, should be words like growing or prospering ….. far cry from rotting don’t you think?
Can you document these so called “near slave” wages? Do big corporations actually employ the vast amount of illegals in this country? I think not. And before you start up about the corp. farms, remember, there is a mechanism already in place that most are employed under, so please don’t throw up that straw man argument.
***SATIRE ALERT!***
I thought I would post a comment on the “thinking of the logic” that is contained in this unconstititonal legislation. And being from Arizona, I thought I would take a stab at “riffing” on one of the commenters within the number of threads on immigration. And starting from the standpoint of my good laugh achieved from a commenter who stated in effect, “Native Americans should be asking the Minutemen for their ‘papers’”. As such, my apology to the author for not remembering the exact name, and yet, I had a good belly laugh for the wonderful insight contained. Obviously, the Onion, is looking for your caliber of thinking.
Now, let me start with three obvious “foreign policy” aspects.
I am both Yaqui and Apache given my ancestry and derived from my Parents and via the School of Great Sex. Perhaps from this standpoint, if I were, to say for example, a Salt River-Pima Indian residing in Scottsdale, Arizona, I would know that my Rez “sovereignty” is equivalent to the State of Arizona and yet, co-dependent on the Feds and the late J. Edgar Hoover. Thus, if my fellow members took the decision to ‘raise hell’ with the non-minority, implementing legislation that requires non-minorities to have a tatoo (red or blue to signify political affiliation) placed on their respective forehead, and which designates the “AA” or the acronyn for “American Asshole” or even worse, “AA” for Anglo-Asshole”, and all this must take place before these “non-minorities” can enter onto the Rez. As an aside, we all know, if your ancestry is from the Northern-Central-Southern and Eastern European regions, being called an “anglo” is a slap in the face. And given that you’re a resident of Arizona, what would your logical response be? Not only would you be extremely insulted, you would say to yourself, either in private or public, “Fuck those Indians and I am not going to spend my monies at their two casinos…I will be spending my monies elsewhere”, and thusly, an important economic boycott, inadvertently accomplished. And from my perspective, your “non-minority” response would be logical and my supportive behavior would be for saying and doing the same thing. NOTE: As an aside, I used “AA” as a takeoff point from the inebriant or the Joe Six Pack meme easily found in our public discourse.
Now, let me take this overriding logic, again, from the standpoint of ‘foreign policy.
My being a Brown Person, a law enforcement officer will have to have “x-ray” vision to determine what I have in my wallet since “sartorial profiling” cannot be utilized, unless you’re an outrageous slob. Equally important is that if I don’t have my “papers” with me, I can be incarcerated and warehoused without having access to “bail” or habeas corpus. As such, the sponsor of this unconstitutional legislation has used the word for “anarchist” for anyone who disagrees with him. Was this a Freudian Slip”? I think not and presumably done on the basis of “reasonable suspicion” not “probable cause” as is the Constititonal-Norm. As such, Status supercedes Crime. And given that we are still a “Nation-At-War” I can be shipped off to the Arizona “equivalent” for GITMO. Should the Arizona Governor be ‘authorized’ via the next round of legislation on immigration, the Governor will have the authority to declare me an “anarchist” or “anti-christ” and which is the current side-bar code talk for the War on Terrorism. And since the Governor has been delegated as the local entity for being “the Decider” I am deep into an onerous and odorless perspective for the overt application for fascism. Thus, I will be housed at the local version of GITMO and perhaps, subjected to waterboarding but done with Cactus Juice and not the water hose, or not?
Now, another perspective on this pre-supposed “foreign policy”.
If the Brown People from Arizona and from around the nation, collectively took the decision, to migrate and en masse, into Wyoming or North Dakota, establiing our “own” brand of Freudian Slop (not Slip) of “foreign policy” that would supercede the federal government, this would make life miserable for the non-minority. Now, can you imagine Wyoming or North Dakota establishing a “legal regimen” for afflicting the human condition and endeavor? I can’t, but History speaks to me.
***END OF SATIRE ALERT***
Jaango
Are you not aware that “this unconstitutional legislation”, as you call it, mirrors the Federal statute?
hatenomore,
If I were to sell you can can of ‘brown’Shinola because it “mirrors” black or green, aside from that pesky Caveat Emptor, what that would say of you?
Jaango
I’d say I would have to be an idiot to listen to a word you had to say. Bottom line is, you really can’t support your sides argument, so you resort to gibberish, masquerading as a thought bubble.
hatenomore
I am an advocate for Trilingualism. And this morning I feel feisty, and thus, I can think of two songs that are among my favorites. As such, the more important one is “Valentin de la sierra”.
It’s somewhat difficult to ‘communicate’ with a person who is determined not to communicate far more widely and from a variety of venues or platforms.
Jaango
I prefer Gil-Scott Heron: http://www.wolfgangsvault.com/gil-scott-heron-and-brian-jackson/
Cynt – The Irish, as you have just stated is a BOSTON problem. as in a single city and state. Southern Illegal immigrants are a NATIONAL problem. people can cry discrimination all they want, but the fact still remains that we have FEDERAL laws as well as state laws that that make it a crime to cross into and live and work in this country illegally. Now we have all these politicians in Washington crying about letting them stay…blah blah blah. They are not following through on the laws that the people before them put into place which makes them nothing more than vote hunting hypocrites. Arizona is simply saying they are now going to enforce Federal law. And I really like the E-verify section as well. Nice to see someone finally using something that works.
Foxman – I remember the raids your talking about. IFCO was one such corp that was raided nation wide. I remember contracting there until the raid. Several top people arrested for falsifying documents. Guess what, they are back at it again; they’re just playing the game differently.
Undocumented Irish immigrants may be most common as a problem in the Boston area but they are also prevalent in NYC and Chicago.
And if undocumented immigrants anywhere are a problem nationwide, then they are a problem everywhere, regardless of country of origin.
Better join Numbersusa, or English will be the second language in America by 2040. In addition, the cost for any form of Amnesty will be astronomical. Billions of dollars will leave the country,and the borders will be like the First World War as multi-millions try to arrive here before Obama signs the law. Then in conclusion, the 20 to 30 million already squatting on our soil, will want to bring in millions of family members. The US Census says if this happens we will have another hundred million to support with welfare and every other entitlements. Today–Tomorrow you will be deciding your children s future. NumbersUSA is for cutting back on all immigration and have now a million members to stop this immigration travesty.
The criminal decay is spreading and that is why the governor of Arizona, Jan Brewer has been forced by these circumstances to enact police actions. BECAUSE THE US GOVERNMENT REFUSES TO ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAWS– AMERICANS ARE CONFRONTED BY ALIEN CRIMINALS WHO’S ACTIVITIES ARE SPREADING NATIONWIDE. But read what this internal war is costing taxpayers, by not securing the dilapidated fence across the Southern border. Not only will I send my Donation for Sheriff Joe Ariapo, but another as a contribution for Arizona’s Governor if the state is sued. I left California, as English is almost a second language there now?
Information about expenditures are available by applying Google and using keywords, such as “Illegal alien entitlements.” or words to that effect. Read more: dailycaller.com/2010/04/15/illegal-immigration-is-a-tax-dollar-drain/ Learn where your tax dollars are going?
Authored by Rep. Lamar Smith (R-TX) Lamar Smith is the Ranking Member of the House Judiciary Committee. Every country has a right to restrict foreign nationals from entering its sovereignty lands–no matter their country of origin? America has been infested with extremist groups that are stealing our–OUR–rights, freedoms and denouncing the US Constitution. Even the national press has been infiltrated by staunch Liberals, hiding behind the Democratic mantle.
The feds need to permanently install E-verify, that includes the 287 (G) empowerment of police to inquire of a person’s nationality. This has finally happened in Arizona, as the legal residents are sick and tired of subsidizing illegal immigrants. It is incessant battle of law enforcement in principle cities, throughout America fighting against the deadly encroachment of drug dealers. Throw out all the pro-amnesty incumbents starting with Sen. Harry Reid in the midterm Election? The rest might get the message if they were not se dense that Americans don’t want Amnesty of any kind. That Pelosi, Graham, Schumer, McCain and all the leading Dems who think giving somewhere between 20 and 30 illegal aliens is a good thing. Read the above mentioned URL, then all them shouldn’t be canned?
If they think that Health Care was one Hell of battle, you wait until renegade politicians try to drive through a blanket Amnesty? Sending billions of dollars out the country for family members, then “Chains of other family members” turning up, sponsored–then dropped and YOU will pay. Bring in the sick, handicapped–others with contagious diseases, whose health treatments YOU will pay for. Sharing your Social Security and retirement pensions–AND THEY WILL STILL TURN UP AT OUR WIDE OPEN BORDER BY THE MILLIONS. Are our politicians intentionally out to wreck this country? Don’t just think how many who are here already–family unification could and will escalate our population by another Hundred Million–just ask the US Census bureau?
Phoenix–where law abiding citizens are afraid to go out at night, home invasion robberies, multiple kidnapping, murder and sexual and violent assaults on every gender and children too are a daily occurrence. California–the Sanctuary State–for illegal alien’s welfare and protection is not any better in its constant battle against illegal immigrant crime. Hit and runs are a never ending activity by foreign nation getting intoxicated, leaving a trail of blood around this nation. Many prosecutors have their hands tied, or hide the truth as they have been intimidated by mayors like Villaraigosa and Newsom. YEARS OF INDIFFERENT ADMINISTRATIONS ARE ENTIRELY TO BLAME. WE WILL FIGHT PRESIDENT OBAMA’S AMNESTY THAT GIVES A FREE PASS TO CITIZENSHIP OF ANY PERSON WHO VIOLATED OUR LAWS OF SOVEREIGNTY. WE WILL NEVER, EVER ALLOW THIS TO BE SIGNED INTO LAW. Learn the outrageous facts of passing AMNESTY, that our taxes will pay for at NumbersUSA