The Sunday talk shows gave the impression that both sides are moving closer to agreement, but aren’t there yet. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Republicans block consideration of the bill when it gets a vote on Monday night. That doesn’t mean the bill dies, however; Republicans this morning took pains to say they wanted a bill and just wanted to reach an agreement first before bringing it to the floor.
Ranking member of the Senate Banking Committee Richard Shelby (R-AL) said on Meet the Press that he and Chairman Chris Dodd were “conceptually very, very close” on a deal, but he wanted to improve a couple pieces. “If the Democrats want a bill and will give us some things that we think that are substantive in nature, like make the ‘too big to fail,’ send a message that nothing is too big to fail in this country and tighten up the language.”
Well, there’s certainly a way for Shelby to get his wish, and it was described perfectly by Sen. Sherrod Brown on ABC today: include the Safe Banking Act in the legislation.
But put that aside, in terms of too-big-to-fail, we do have this resolution authority. It’s well done, written by Senator Corker and Senator Dodd and some others bipartisanly. I think we need to do more to prevent too big, though. Too-big-to-fail is too big, and my amendment that Senator Kaufman from Delaware and I are offering next week or the week after will basically say that we’ll put some limits on the size of these banks.
Let me give you one statistic, if I could, Jake. Fifteen years ago, the six — the assets of the six largest banks in this country totaled 17 percent of GDP, 17 percent of GDP. The assets of the six largest banks in the United States today total 63 percent of GDP, and that’s too — we’ve got to deal with risk to be sure, but we’ve got to deal with the size of these banks, because if one of these banks is in serious trouble, it will have such a ripple effect on the whole economy. So we simply can’t let them get this big and have this kind of economic power over Main Street, over a small business in Canton, Ohio, or a worker — a manufacturing plant in Dayton. I mean, we just can’t let this happen.
Austan Goolsbee of the President’s Economic Recovery and Advisory Board, also on the show, was asked to respond. This is quite interesting, because earlier in the week Larry Summers appeared to downplay the importance of the size of the mega-banks, saying that “most observers” believe that breaking up the banks would harm American competitiveness. That’s just patently false; every economist who has studied this shows that after a certain point, greater size does not create any societal benefit or economies of scale. Summers also claimed that size caps would put banks “at greater risk of failing” because they would be less diversified and “wouldn’t have profits in one area to turn to when a different area got in trouble.” This also makes no sense; Simon Johnson responds that we’ve already proven this to be fallacious by the fact that all the well-diversified major banks basically failed in September 2008. Johnson said, “As Summers knows very well, the “risk of failing” depends on the amount of capital that banks have.”
So how would Goolsbee react? He sounded more open to it than Summers, but did dodge the question.
GOOLSBEE: Well, the president is totally committed and it’s one of his key principles that we’re going to end too-big-to-fail, we’re going to end the bailout era that began under the last president, for good. That’s not going to happen anymore. We can open — we’re open to negotiating details obviously as we start getting into it. They’re complicated. Some of these financial risks are more like worms where you could chop them in half, but it doesn’t kill them, it just gives you two different worms. Bear Stearns, AIG, they weren’t the biggest, they were just the most dangerous, and we’ve got to come at this from every side.
Look, we’re open to looking at ending too-big-to-fail on the size angle, on the what risky investments they’re allowed to take, looking at the derivatives component so that AIG-like, they can’t threaten to blow up the whole world because of — because they have some of this $600 trillion pool of derivatives that we know virtually nothing about, that are in the dark. All of that ends when we sign this bill. If you look at the bill and take a step back — I don’t know much about the legislative strategies that are going on in the Senate. They are important. I do know that the president has laid out what this bill does, is we’re going to end bailouts, we’re going to hold accountable the people that get into the messes. So if they get in trouble, they fail. All we’re going to do is pay funeral expenses, and we’re going to have the strongest consumer protections ever in this country.
Again, this isn’t a totally forthright response. The focus on AIG in particular is crazy, because they were making their credit default swap bets in connection with the biggest banks. In addition, nobody is saying that breaking up the mega-banks would in and of itself solve the problem, but it would certainly contribute; it’s one of the six major components worth fighting for in the Senate bill. I think Goolsbee is basically agreeing with that, but the White House hasn’t been as forthcoming.
And this is the point. Someone’s not giving the whole story here. Chris Dodd and Dick Durbin basically said that the Safe Banking Act “wasn’t possible” from a political perspective, but there’s no reason not to test that hypothesis. Most of the staff of Senators that I’ve talked to have tried to demur by saying they’re “studying” the issue. That’s probably coming from somewhere. And it appears that Democrats want to hold together the bill they introduce rather than allowing strengthening amendments, which would be a tragic mistake:
On Thursday, there was an uncharacteristically fractious meeting of the Senate Democratic Caucus. On one side, leading progressives such as Maria Cantwell, Ted Kaufman, Dick Durbin, Byron Dorgan, and Jeff Merkley, argued that this was a moment to put forward floor amendments that would both strengthen the bill and force Republicans to take difficult votes either backing reforms or identifying themselves with Wall Street.
But the Banking Committee Chairman, Chris Dodd, was more inclined to try to strike a deal over the weekend with his Republican counterpart, Richard Shelby, for a bipartisan bill. The price of this would be weaker provisions on derivatives, consumer protection, the Volcker rule, and on resolving failed large banks. The political price would be that progressives don’t get to offer floor amendments. Under Dodd’s scheme, which is favored by Obama’s legislative and economic advisers, the Senate would immediately vote to take up the bill and would then vote cloture by a wide bipartisan margin. The bill — still a shell with details to be filled in later — would go directly to the House-Senate conference, where the House-passed bill would become the vehicle for the final measure [...]
In the caucus showdown, Dodd’s response to the progressives was that he was not sure that he could count on fifty Democrats to back tough reform. That’s right — and one of the unreliable Democrats is Dodd himself. But the solution to that problem is for the leadership and the White House to whip the wavering Democrats, as Obama belatedly did on health reform, not to cave in. And while Obama gave a fairly tough speech on Wall Street, he is not yet walking the talk when it comes to personally weighing in with Senate Democrats to hang tough. Having prevailed as a partisan on health reform, Obama is back in touch with his softer, bipartisan side. Not good news.
I don’t see the reason for a legislative process if tough amendments that would actually protect taxpayers from rapacious banks are discouraged. The Brown-Kaufman amendment on size and leverage must get a vote, and if it doesn’t, it’s because, as Chris Hayes said this week, “Washington is totally and completely corrupt.”




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“and if it doesn’t, it’s because, as Chris Hayes said this week, “Washington is totally and completely corrupt.”; yup, criminogenic cultures is what D.C and Wall Street are.
I wrote letters to both of my Senators, Senator Reid, and the President to support the Safe Banking Act, support derivative regulation, and support a strong independent Consumer Finance Protection Agency. Of course, I’m extremely skeptical that the President and the Blue Dogs will want to act in the best interests of the American people.
Once again, the Republicans created this mess, love this mess, and are wrecking the America middle class. Why the Democrats don’t constantly attack, expose and marginalize the Republicans as the idealogical force causing America’s implosion is beyond me.
Quite frankly, if the Democrats once again act for the Wall St elite oligarchy rather than America citizens, after bailing out Wall St, and bailing out the health care industry, I see no reason to continue to support them.
Dick Durbin was right when he said the banks frankly own this place on the Senate floor.
Fuck no.
Dumb question.
“Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends (life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness) it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government.” “I have the consolation of having added nothing to my private fortune during my public service, and of retiring with hands clean as they are empty.” Thomas Jefferson, 3rd President of the United States March 4, 1801-March, 4 1809. It is truly time for a change we can believe in fellow citizens and Americans. Let us throw off this yoke of tyranny and bestow the blessings of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happy to all people,poor and rich, in this great land.
Several years back the French government restricted the freedom of the French prosititues to peddle their wares in public. The prostitues in response vigorously protested in the cities of France. After a few days the government of France rescinded their restrictive edicts. At this time I have more respect for the French prosititues than the American people. And we all know what happens to sheep. Mutton anyone?
Very Dumb Question:
How will a Consumer Finance Protection Agency protect us if it’s leadership is similar to that which we have recently/currently had in the SEC, and the Financial Crimes divisions of FBI and DoJ?
In listening to William Black, here at FDL and during his testimony to the house financial services committee, it seems that what we need is ethical and competent leadership of our current regulatory and oversight agencies.
and they own Mr. Bipartisan.
Not if those pens are flying across blank checks on Wall Street! Orahma has shown just how for sale he really is. All one has to do is look at the Health Insurance Company and Pharmaceutical Welfare Act of 2010 to know the man has his price. More money = less regulation. Change we can only imagine…
Chris Dodd were “conceptually very, very close” on a deal,
Translation: “Let’s hurry up and get something weak and totally inadequate done before populism gets really out of control and derails our financial services industry gravy train. The MSM will help us sell it, so no worries there…”
I’m sorry. Did that sound cynical?
I found a job listing for an aviation maintenance manager and all they are looking for is aviation experience and shop supervisory experience and not necessarily simultaneously. I have plenty of both and this is the first aviation job I’ve seen that doesn’t require experience in a certain airframe or airframe type, (not too many people fly F-14s). It’s local so it wouldn’t require re-locating. Wish me luck. :-)
“Safe Banking Act.” Sounds like putting condoms on bank skyscrapers.
Good Luck Margaret!
I’ll be keeping my fingers crossed for you.
Bestest of luck to you Margaret.
Or will the Republicans obstruct obstruct obstruct and then complain that nothing is being done?
Another day, another email about how I’ve won a million pounds in the Microsoft End of Year lottery and I should send my personal info to someone.
Who owns you..George Carlin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Cz4vcQKWfA
Good luck Margaret
I think it was in ‘Naked Gun’ we saw the introduction of the full-body condom. The scene was hilarious. Yup. 5:20 into http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z842G_GAcoU&feature=related
Leen, do you really believe that any of these actors are wearing white hats?
I completely trust the Senate to really reform Wall Street elite banks. The Senate is the place for the power of the people right now. Clearly, Dodd and Shelby are the type of people that everyday Americans can count on for reform!
No, not cynical, ShotoJamf. Sounds like you have a healthy political Babel Fish* in your ear.
*For non-galactic hitchhikers, or galactic non-hitchhikers, “A living fish which, when placed in your ear, will live there and translate any form of language for you.”
It’s the empty shell, the “special purpose vehicle,” that worries me. Can it be that they’re so worried about us US citizens, they’re rushing a life boat to us ASAP? Or are they preparing yet another burlap sack for us US kittens?
Rats. Couldn’t find the clip I wanted. I wanted the Ugly Americans scene where Mark discovers that his Zombie roommate, Randall, has been following him. For the “exercise.” With a coil of piano wire and a man-size burlap sack conveniently labeled “man-size.”
It’s the latter, I’m bettin’, that Dodd and his secret partners are preparing for us.
This clip, in which Randall fights off cravings for Mark’s brains with “help” from the worst. sponsor. ever, will have to do: Randall’s Sponsor
I heard somewhere that Dodd’s bill has 1400 pages. Why so many fuckng pages? This could only mean the bill is rife with loopholes big enough to drive a semi-truck through.
After the last 15 months, neither party has any cridibility left with me.
If Obama wasn’t such a crook, he’d call Elliot Spitzer to the White House and appoint him Wall Street “czar”.
With Goldman Sachs in support of the bill I am amazed (not really) that anyone questions who or what will actually benefit from this next piece of emergency salvation legislation.
We could only hope, maybe he could be czar of czars
I don’t think Goolsby was signalling anything except his own incoherence. It’s inconceivable that, having done everything they could to bailout the major banks that were still salvagable, the White House would consider taking on the size and power of the major banks. Goolsby was speaking gibberish.
No but we need to look like we’re doing something to save our phony ballony jobs.
I’ve been listening to the speeches about this process (or lack thereof) on the Senate floor for more than a week now, which would be the public face, I guess, of the “fractious” private Senate Democratic Caucus meeting described by Robert Kuttner, as excerpted by dday. Senators in the majority have a choice to make: do their jobs as representatives and legislators, or simply play Party politics by buckling under, yet again, to private White House demands to shut up and fall in line.
Chris Dodd, unless he’s just lying (which Kuttner’s unverifiable account of secret Party talks seems to indicate he is), is apparently torn between following his own conscience by working in good faith with key members of the Banking Committee to improve [because the Republican criticisms of the Dodd bill I've heard would improve, not water down] this legislation, or resorting to Health Reform Two.
Health Reform Two would be to give way to pressure by the President (facilitated by Harry Reid) to ram a White House written/endorsed bill through the Senate without meaningful debate or amendment. The latter scenario – which is the antithesis of the due diligence and careful deliberation that should define legislative self-government, especially on an extremely-consequential piece of legislation, particularly given the fact that the 1300-page Dodd bill came out of committee after a 21-minute markup, without a single amendment of the 400 pending even being considered – would follow the undemocratic health care reform pattern I detailed here. This time, however, the Democrats can’t do the “ramming” alone – they’ll need at least one Republican. That fact, alone, may be the only reason that Dodd is still listening to other ideas, but I tend to give Dodd the benefit of the doubt about that (although I note that Simon Johnson seems not to at this point).
Bob Corker, in particular, seems to be genuinely trying to materially improve the Dodd legislation, and has been very effectively pleading that Dodd work with Shelby and others behind the scenes to create a “template” addressing the major issues, which can then be brought to the floor for genuine debate and amendment in public by the rest of the Senate.
Mark Warner of Virginia has been working with Corker to improve the legislation, but sounds ready to throw better Republican ideas overboard if and when given the sign by the Party leadership that they’ve got 60 votes to ram a product, as-is, through the Senate.
For what their public words are worth any more, below are some of the floor comments by Dodd and Corker last week that I found particularly compelling or revealing.
Dodd, publicly last Thursday, claimed, at least, that Reid’s motion to invoke cloture on the motion to proceed, to be voted on later today, does not signal an end to changes in the legislation (which may be an assertion that’s difficult for the minority Republicans to take on faith, given that the bill already flew through the Banking Committee unchanged – which is where much of the amending should have been done). Dodd also expressed admirable support – which, again, seems to be belied by the ramrodding he presided over in committee – for the public, democratic legislative process of self-government in the Senate (as opposed to the backroom “negotiations” by a select few which are threatening to replace it):
Corker, also last Thursday, repeated his plea to let the Senate function as a Senate, and let slip an indication of where pressure is being applied to prevent the Senate from working as the unified group of 100 Senators it is, irrespective of outside interference:
Senator Tester, among other Senators of both Parties openly hoping to have a chance to hone and improve this legislation on the floor by simple-majority vote, gave Bob Corker a nod Thursday:
Thanks for the great insightful update. As much as I’d like to believe Goolsbee above, I think it’s rhetoric. The White House has done jack so far. And when he says “funeral expenses” – bullshit. The resolution authority exists to bailout preferred creditors of TBTF institutions, who are often themselves TBTF institutions. It’s a safety net, it’s corporate welfare, it incentivizes bad risk, it should not be there.
I believe the lad is being totally honest. Take a look at how they dealt with the toxic asset residue from Lehman. (was it not transfered to Fannie and Freddie?) There’s the funeral expenses – the treasury pays for the difference.
Nice to see people like Chris Hayes speaking openly about the systemic corruption in our government, although I don’t remember him suggesting this during the health care debate where it was even more obvious. Of course no one has any answers as how to change this. Short of the emergence of a bankrolled third party candidate or a revolution, it seems we’re left with a hopelessly corrupt system, with little promise of changing things.