Wall Street is really miffed that their whims aren’t being attended to immediately and without discussion.
Wall Street executives say language in the Senate financial reform bill dealing with derivatives is like a horror movie slasher — repeatedly left for dead, only to rise again and again.
The move to force banks to spin off their derivatives desks could slice 20 percent off Wall Street profits by some estimates. Now, some executives say that if the language survives, there will almost certainly be consequences in terms of Wall Street support for Democrats in the midterms and President Barack Obama’s reelection campaign.
Already, contributions to Republicans have picked up this year as financial firms are souring on Obama.
The contributions have slid from Democrats to Republicans even as the bank execs remain confident that the derivatives title in question will get excised after Blanche Lincoln’s primary run-off on June 8. In other words, it’s not that Democrats aren’t doing the bidding of Wall Street, it’s that they’re not doing it fast enough that’s causing the problem. And also Democrats are mean to them in public, even while being generous in private.
This is the state of the nation circa 2010: the concerns of the finance lobby must be attended to quickly, lest you draw their wrath and the title of “socialist.” It’s an extreme version of industry capture.
I mean, on the left side of the spectrum wonks and activists are actually united on this one. Daniel Gross calls it “Reform Without Punishment,” and he’s right. We have a largely tame bill which may have ramifications during and after the next financial crisis, but practically none before that point, because it does little to alter the role of the financial economy in the 21st century, which basically created the conditions that led us down this road in the first place. The same regulators who either missed or intentionally ignored the financial meltdown the last time are given the keys to the car again, with a bit more information and encouragement to keep a watch on things. But the structure of Wall Street remains largely unchanged, and if the derivatives title is significantly weakened, as everyone expects, you can change “largely” to “completely”.
That’s not a peculiar viewpoint; here’s Matt Yglesias and Ezra Klein saying basically the same thing. Even those satisfied with the bill, because it provides oversight to shadow banking, admit that the problems of leverage and bank size and risky trading with depositor money went pretty much unaddressed. Given the state of our Congress and the political influence of the banks, I’m surprised we got what we did out of this, provided it survives (here’s a great rundown). But the types of policies that could really have constrained Wall Street, mandated less risky options, and contained the most dangerous activities to a place outside of the larger economy – those basically did not see the light of day. Inside this discussion are some good ideas of what could have been done. The same with the aforementioned Daniel Gross’ take:
Consider what’s not in the bill. Earlier this year, President Obama came out in favor of the Volcker rule, which would have prohibited regulated banks from engaging in the enormously profitable (but risky) business of proprietary trading. That would have punished the large investment banks. It is not part of this legislation. There’s been some discussion of a Tobin tax, the idea of levying a tax on financial transactions such as currency, stock, and derivative trades. That would raise revenue and provide disincentives for the socially useless algorithmic trading that creates risk for all investors. That would have punished many financial institutions. It is not part of the legislation. The House version of financial reform called for a $150 billion fund to be raised, largely by taxing big financial institutions, that would help wind down failed institutions. That would have exacted a significant (and, to my mind, justified) cost on big investment banks. It is not part of the Senate legislation. If health-care reform is any guide, the dynamics of Capitol Hill suggest that most House-Senate disputes are likely to be resolved in favor of the Senate.
Progressives nonetheless voted for this bill because the steps forward it takes are legitimate. And there’s reason to believe that the magic potion of Wall Street, which basically manifests itself in corporate contributions, has begun to wear off. The fact that they had to deny a vote to the Merkley-Levin amendment suggests it either had majority support or those who would have voted against it didn’t want that fact getting back to their constituents. That’s at least a recognition of the power of some force other than Wall Street, a rare recognition indeed. I think Simon Johnson takes the right conclusion from this:
Most importantly, everyone who wants to rein in the largest banks now has a much clearer idea of what to push for, what to campaign on, and for what purpose to raise money. This is the completely reasonable and responsible ask:
1. The Volcker Rule, as specifically proposed in the Merkley-Levin amendment
2. Constraints on the size and leverage of our largest banks, as proposed by the Brown-Kaufman amendmentWhen the mainstream consensus shifts in favor of these measures, or their functional equivalents, we will have finally begun the long process of reining in the dangerous economic and political power of our largest banks.
We learned during this months-long debate that the progressive space for economics and finance is perilously narrow. The institutional players either don’t know how to pitch this to their audiences, have been bought off from the beginning, or don’t view it as a problem. That’s unfortunate, but a newer class of activists have engaged with this problem, and now they have a coherent critique. It has not yet been successful, but it sets up very well for campaigns in the future.




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To put it another way, at the end of the FinReg debate progressives are roughly at the point we were at the beginning of the health care debate. So maybe two financial meltdowns from now we’ll get what needs to be done. Baby steps.
One resource we will clearly never run out of is optimism. Gimme a break.
The theme of modern America is that big corps buy politicians and get whatever they want. They put on a populist charade to pacify the rubes, but then they pass legislation that the corps are comfortable with.
This will not change unless the people take some drastic action to make it change, and maybe not even then. But it is really tiresome to see continued attempts at optimism from those on the left who should be demonstrating a better learning curve by now.
The bankers do their best political work in the dark. It isn’t as dark as it used to be.
The banksters have essentially won the game why would they want the rules altered? They own DC and now they’re showing the rest of us how a feudal system works. They the Lords will dictate and the rest of us will kneel and pay homage.
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen David Dayen and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Great post, Brother Dayen, the political physix of the economy now seem clear, elected progressives and “liberals” must coalesce in each house of Congress and if we had a Howard Dean in charge of the DNC we’d have Democratic majorities in states north a the Mason-Dixon line linin’ up to run on these 2 principles in November. We have reached the danger point in the political triangulation that ObamaRahma and the corporatists have imposed on Democrats. The overt fascist takeover of the Republican Party and the consolidation of their shocktroops is intended to demoralize the left and insure that those who understand what’s goin’ on have no place to go in 2012. In order for this to work, Democratic majorities must be reduced significantly or eliminated in the Congress to insure that nuthin’ gets done in 2011 and Obama will provide a refuge for nonfascists against General Patreaus in 2012.
If Democrats hold the Congress this Fall as I think they will, and the progressives or “liberals” organize as an effective force to keep reactionary legislation from bein’ moved forward, then Obama will have nowhere to go but left unless he doesn’t wanna be re-elected in 2012. I think that we may even be able to get rid of the “Rahm” in ObamaRahma by January if Democrats hold serve in November.
KEEP THE FITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, ALL THEY GOT IS OUR WORTHLESS MONEY!!
Do the oath that public officials take upon assuming office include allegiance to Wall Street? Didn’t think so.
Ding.
The Wall Street fat cat$ must love the oil gusher in the Gulf more than they can say out loud. Seems like that catastrophe has taken some of the heat off their greedy and criminal asses.
As Reform Takes Shape, Some Relief on Wall St.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/24/business/24reform.html?src=twt&twt=nytimes
Dave thanks for staying on this. Hopefully Dylan will have you back on soon. As far as MSNBC goes Dylan actually reports about issues that are not necessarily part of the echo chamber ECHO CHAMBER that takes place on the Ed, Matthews, Olbermann, Rachel shows. Each of these shows repeats what was reported on the previous echo chamber but then add a twist.
MSNBC is basically an echo chamber with a twist
If the passenger and crew of the Titanic had taken baby steps while abandoning ship all would have been lost.
Citizen Norske,
I hope you’re passing along your posts to those progressives in Congress. Feingold, Sanders, Kuccinich, Franken, DeFazio (he’s a real keeper and not that well known on the national stage) Whitehouse et al need to hear from real progressives to drown out the drone of Rahm. Personally, I don’t think Obama could care less if he doesn’t run in 2012. His future is guaranteed.
Forget where I read it (not in Street’s book *g*), but another insight in the past couple of months is that the parties don’t care if they have a majority or not, i.e. whether they collectively “lose” the election. They know they’ll win the next one as the other party is thrown out in disgust. And while they’re in power, they just line their pockets diligently by raping the public. It’s why Rahm can treat voters with such contempt. Voters no longer matter, since both parties do the same thing to them.
It’s a racket. Should be investigated under the RICO statuettes.
And who’s gonna do the investigating? The judiciary is increasingly part of the racket.
It’s a good point David, thank you for this.
Right there. The thought was in an “ideal” world. Personally I believe the “system” is so corrupt, ossified and the people so fearful that any hope of transformational reform is a pipe dream. Lacking any meaningful “movement” to challenge the forces of corporatism and plutocracy the eventual outcome will certainly be collapse.
Please excuse my shameless diary pimping. This past Friday, I posted The Obama administration as “managed democracy”, in which I tried to push progressive populist rhetoric forward by applying the socio-economic analyses of Thorstein Veblen and Sheldon Wolin to the political and corporate ruling elites (so the title is somewhat misleading) to show how truly brutal, ugly, anti-democratic, and anti-industrial the elite mind is. (You have to read it to appreciate the full meaning of anti-industrial in the sense of Veblen’s distinction between wealth creating industry and wealth-aggrandizing business.)
Basically, Veblen traces how elites like to think of themselves as superior back to primitive, barbarian cultures, where everyday life of the underclass involves drudgery while the elites are supported through exploit. The incredible thing is, as a society becomes more industrially advanced, the elites actually regress and become more barbaric. Here are my last two paragraphs:
I offer this here in the hopes that progressives will latch on to it as a means to rapidly drive public perceptions of elites – especially elites in business and finance – as dangerous barbaric savages whose pathological conduct must be strictly bounded by society to prevent widespread harm to others.
It is all a racket – all three branches of the fed gov’t, plus increasingly the same at State and local levels – doesn’t matter about votes anymore. Either the votes will be rigged, or if not rigged to create the “desired” election results, then the votes just won’t “count” and the pols will go ahead and do whatever it is they want to do without any consideration of what their “constituents” want.
After all, the only real “constituents” these days are the elites, the oligarchs, and the corporations, who the SCOTUS now tells must be considered as “humans” somehow.
We serfs simply do not count in the equation. Any time I hear Rahmbama talking about some “bipartisan” something or other, I know that it just means a continuation of the W regime. Nothing more, nothing less. There’s nothing “bi-partisan” about it; it’s just corporate shilling via the Kabuki show per usual.
“I offer this here in the hopes that progressives will latch on to it as a means to rapidly drive public perceptions of elites – especially elites in business and finance – as dangerous barbaric savages whose pathological conduct must be strictly bounded by society to prevent widespread harm to others.”
Thank you for doing that, I likely wouldn’t have seen it otherwise. It’s wraps words around a lot of things I sense are true about our insane country. One of the reasons I liked David’s post is that it’s undeniable that more people now know what a credit default swap is than did two years ago (including me). That can only be a good thing. People are pissed off, and we know who to be pissed at.
There are more of us every day.
It’s interesting that these ‘elite’ consider themselves superior, when it’s obvious they are much less human. I’ve known some very rich people, the things they care about and the ways their families interact are very strange and limited (those that I knew).
Oh! razorbrain you hit the nail on the big head.
Most of these people(congress) who are covering for the half-baked policies are not progressives.
They(congresspeople) use the progressive label cuz’it’s away for ‘em to marshall most who count ‘emselves(voting public) as progressives to the side of the Corp.
You would think by now,some(voting public) would recognise the scam,but unfortunately no,or it’s simply that the shame & guilt of being conned is just so great that they must go along pretending like good things are happening.
And it’ why the WH & congress will continue with the scam……after all if they are selling toxic shit sandwich as a healthy wholesome meal why change.
I think the issue is that the elites in this country have been carte blanche to do whatever they damn well please with no thought of any consequence. By “elite” I mean people who are so wealthy that it boggles the mind (and I, personally, don’t know any of them, nor will I ever likely know them).
These are people that we don’t generally see, as opposed to such wealthy individuals as movie and sport stars. Those wealthy individuals have little power in this “show,” and they’re used as bright shiny distractions from what’s really happening.
Plus it’s the corporations, as giant behoumouth “individuals,” who are now calling shots in Congress. That, plus the Banksters and other Wall St. “rulers of the universe.” I appreciate blogs, like FDL, where more of the “real information” can get out and be shared.
This is all hoohaw. The Administration came out with its financial reform proposals in June 2009. The House bill covered a lot of this back in September-October 2009. The liberal blogosphere was fixated on the healthcare debate during this time. That did not stop some of us from addressing both and getting both right in terms of process and content. We were being coherent about financial reform last year. And why should we not have been? We had been covering a lot of this stuff for a couple of year before that. The problem was that most progressives weren’t listening then just as they weren’t listening now. They didn’t learn any lessons then. Why in the world do you think they would learn any lessons now?
Well let’s face it, whatever happens none of us are going to give up and stop paying attention. So let’s settle in for the duration, huh? See what can be done?
We’re the opposition.
There will never be real reform until we have true campaign finance reform. But it will never happen from the top, so it must be something that happens from the bottom up, state by state.
We need public financing of candidates but the current SCOTUS has made it impossible to regulate other monies. so the solution is to let candidates, who qualify by raising a certain sum through small donations only, to opt in and then the public funds match any funds raised by their opponents *or* other monies spent for their opponents. This gives the candidates who opt in more time to campaign instead of raise funds. Plus they will have control of funds that match *all* the funds opposing them. Thus candidates will have an incentive to opt in.
This will be a long process and will probably have to happen by initiative state by state.
Razorbrain is again correct.
LibWing — Problem with your idea is that we can’t (Constitutionally) enact campaign spending limits on federal election races at the state level. Therefore, we have to use the kind of voluntary system you propose. Trouble with that is, the big money candidate can just ignore the system and do whatever the hell they want.
Sorry, but you’re wrong about this, FlameThrower. Obama can, and will, go hard right after the election. He will be pursuing a deficit reduction plan that involves gutting Social Security and Medicare that will get almost unanimous GOP support and applause from Wall Street. Obama and the Senate concervaDems will say it demonstrates his “bipartisanship” as they vote to further reduce the middle class.
not narrow. virtually nonexistent.
neoliberal policies pitched as progressive policies. dishonest propaganda. progressive policies treated as off limits even for discussion. (i don’t consider putdowns a discussion). and that’s at fdl. and some people even got banned for pointing that out last year wrt to healthcare financing policy.
open left is worse — much worse.
what a load of nonsense. policy analysis has to come first. the horse race crap was not and is not a coherent critique. neither is partisan stenography.
and, just as we’ve learned with obama, self identification as a progressive is frequently nothing more than branding.
quote from Keynes (Ch. 3-III)
“… economists of the day essentially rise to prominence because they are very good at presenting a sophisticated economics that justifies the wealth of the day being possessed by those who currently hold it, while at the same time declaring that the rules responsible for wealth distribution are not only optimal, but must also not be changed. And that this is true regardless of how wrong that economics might be.”
Being mugged and robbed in broad daylight is not my idea of a solution.
Regardless of the amount of lumens present, it’s the mugging and robbing that worries me.
“I went to the war and all I got was this lousy vote.” /s (no dis on soldiers, it’s snark)
There is some possibility of which you speak, but I don’t think Obama cares about a second term and I don’t think we can move him left at all.
He, like most if not all of our electeds top to bottom, DC to yer local village, are fully bought and paid for to do corp bidding.
l wanna believe, but find it increasingly impossible to do so.
Barring a major and massive prolonged and sustained effort by tens of millions of disgruntled voters in the streets and boycotting jobs and goods and products, I see no hope for change in my remaining 20-30 years on this rock.
Pass the bread and whiskey, we’re gonna be here a long, long time in this foxhole.
Sweet and simple. Thanks.
Yep, a collapse is inevitable as our system as is cannot be sustained.
Too few with, too many without.
That equations fractures EVERYtime thru out history.
I don’t think theres a progressive here at FDL that needs a masters level thesis and analysis to figure out what the elites are. We’ve been discussing them for years now.
Nice masters work, though, truly academically potent.
Nice work, and I mean it. From your selection of your topic, to the lens with which you use to model your thesis.
Well done, hoss.
I’m glad to hear more and more people voicing this Point Of View.
The steam blowing out the ears of the disgruntled is growing.
Thanks.
Regardless of the depth of fatality I view the present situation with, your comment is undeniable, and David’s post DOES speak to a slow learning curve that’s inevitable as my fatalism.
So, kudo’s David, once again for your work to illuminate even the most skeptical among us (me). ;-)
Thanks for your comment, TP . . . .
Ugly as hell, but utterly predictable given what he’s done so far, and the cat food commission at hand.
I agree with you fully. We’ve not seen the worst, which WILL come after November.
Of course, that will come on the heels (or perhaps create) the next econ collapse because there are no JOBS and no TAXES being generated, just the looting of what ever is left in OUR wallets and what the government can print.
Nicely put, Selise, nicely put.
Brutal but accurate, start to finish.
Is that a known fact, about people getting banned for speaking out re the healthcare process?
I thought Jane came disturbingly close to threatening to ban people with different ideas recently, I was pretty upset and disappointed by it, and even wondered whether I might be on a “list” for such action, but I did not know that anyone ever actually got banned just for expressing an honest difference of opinion.
Can you verify that, selise?
Agreed. And I feel if we are not willing to engage in the street action you describe (at minimum), then we really do not deserve to be free anymore.
They gave us a Republic, if we can keep it. The keeping it part is up to us. All of us.
Mike Konzal wrote a good item at New Deal 2.0 today, about how FinReg got tougher, and attributing it — particularly the derivatives piece — to Halter’s stepping up to the plate (with the assistance of Accountability Now) to take on Lincoln’s lazy, cozy, status quo somnambulism.
It comes down to putting money in PayPals, making phone calls, and what Rayne would call Getting Shit Done Now. When I first contacted my Senators’ offices about FinReg, the aides seemed somewhat confused and had no info. By the week of the vote, they knew ‘the Sanders Amendment,’ and ‘Brown-Kaffman’ and a number of issues using last names as shorthand for larger issues.
I always figure when the staff starts picking up the cues and knows the issues, the bandwagon is slowly starting to lurch uphill.
Meanwhile, the AIG execs won’t get hit with criminal or civil charges from DoJ. The TBTF is still rapaciously eating the heart out of Main Street, and DC and Wall Street seem oblivious.
Far from optimal, to say the least.
yes.
tempers were hot, but nothing was written as far as i know (and i saw the comments before they were deleted) that hasn’t been written about commenters. iow, people were banned for doing nothing more than what front pagers have done.
i don’t usually bring it up unless someone else does first, but dday’s comment about “a new class of activists” and “coherent critique” re chris’ post really set me off because the banning and accusations of bad faith and worse was really bad at OL. and if that’s the model for “new class of activists” — count me out.
(btw, i’d be asking the same question if i were you. i can’t give you a link to a deleted comments, but i can look up some previous links where i asked for a unbanning)
I don’t know what “OL” is.
So, do I gather correctly that the bannings you refer to were for overly aggressive language, rather than for expressing different ideas in good faith? Because there’s a big difference between those two situations.
In Jane’s post last week on Purity/Purge, and on an earlier one, she came down hard on some commenters (Big Jess, Nathan Altschuler, and some others), apparently for nothing more than expressing their view that the inside game strategy followed by FDL was not effective, and that other options, like third party or national referendum initiatives, should be explored. Jane seemed to be saying that there was no place for such an agenda on these pages, and that she would be LESS tolerant than she was re the healthcare dialogue.
I found that to be very distatseful, almost as though it was being insisted that people had to blindly folow the leader, or go away, or get banned. I believe in the marketplacee of ideas, so I thought that was really out of line to threaten invitees to the site in that way. It felt like we were valued as “website clicks” while FDL was making its reputation, but that now we were considered to be expendable and
more of a nuisance than respected members of the community. It really bummed me out.
OH, i see, OL is Open Left. Never been there.
i’m sorry about the OL thingie. i’m a lazy typist, wasn’t trying to be obscure.
i do think there were very different ideas, but imo most, if not all, of the aggressive language was directed at commenters (some of whom left because of it). there is always a chance i missed an offending comment (although in one case i’m quite sure i did not, and in another i’m pretty sure). but if one overly strong comment is enough to get a person banned we would would have lost a few front pagers before those commenters.
anyway, i assume you are referring to this thread (or similar that i missed). if so, that is minor — although i was bummed too. still, i wouldn’t put too much stock in one or two comments or even one or two threads. my advice, fwiw (probably not much) is watch over time and make up your own mind.
me too. i think ideas are the most powerful and important tools for change we have.
No worries about OL, it was just new to me.
We have bigger things to worry about. yes, you correctly ID the thread I was referring to, and it followed one of similar tone a day or two earlier, which made me feel I was detecting a trend.
I’ve been a daily reader here for at least 5-6 years, and will always be, because I need and trust the info I absorb here. But I put a lot of myself into commenting, and I know others do as well, in the belief that we are working together to try and make this country and world a better place. There are a lot of really smart people here, but noone is smart enough to say that only their ideas are any good, and everyone else should just follow and shut up, or get out, or be gotten out. And FDL would never have gotten to be FDL without the participation and support of all who participate here, including those who are getting dissed now.
When dissenting commenters here get dissed by management like progressives generally complain about getting dissed by the Dem leaders, it’s a very bad thing from many different angles.
And especially when the house strategy is winning nothing more than symbolic crumbs for the movement.
That should be the time when the floor is thrown wide open to new ideas.