It’s Tuesday, so that means it’s time to get excited about yet another BP attempt to capture oil flowing out of the underwater gusher in the Gulf of Mexico. This time, we’ve got a new dome, now with 50% more dome technology. And BP admits going in that this wouldn’t actually plug the leak, just slow it down somewhat. Actually, initially, cutting the pipe leading to the blowout preventer will remove a kink in it and INCREASE the flow of oil – temporarily, we’re told.
I think everyone realizes that this thing’s bound to keep going until August at the earliest, when the relief wells have been drilled. And mind you, August is BP’s estimated completion date, so add a month or so onto the back end of that, if their veracity to date is any indication.
White House energy and climate adviser Carol M. Browner said Sunday that the oil spill was “probably the biggest environmental disaster we’ve ever faced in this country” and that “we are prepared for the worst.” On the CBS show “Face the Nation,” she said that the “American people need to know that it is possible we will have oil leaking from this well until August when the relief wells will be finished.”
Those two wells, which BP began drilling early this month, are expected to intersect the damaged one and seal it near the reservoir far below the seafloor. The first has reached 7,000 feet below the seafloor, and the second has reached 3,500 feet below the floor, but progress gets slower the deeper the wells go. With the arrival of hurricane season Tuesday, the drilling could be slowed if the rigs need to be evacuated during storms.
I can think of no reason to believe anything coming from BP or Washington on this one. BP clearly is in crisis management mode and far more concerned about their PR image. Washington has basically outsourced the management of this disaster so they don’t have to take as much of a hit.
That does seem to be changing. Thad Allen, the incident commander for the Coast Guard, will now give solo briefings to the media, in an effort to show control over the situation. More cabinet members prepared to visit the region, including Attorney General Eric Holder today. But when Bobby Jindal is saying “We need our federal government exactly for this kind of crisis,” you know that they could be engaging to a greater degree. I like Robert Reich’s idea:
It’s time for the federal government to put BP under temporary receivership, which gives the government authority to take over BP’s operations in the Gulf of Mexico until the gusher is stopped. This is the only way the public will know what’s going on, be confident enough resources are being put to stopping the gusher, ensure BP’s strategy is correct, know the government has enough clout to force BP to use a different one if necessary, and be sure the President is ultimately in charge.
If the government can take over giant global insurer AIG and the auto giant General Motors and replace their CEOs, in order to keep them financially solvent, it should be able to put BP’s North American operations into temporary receivership in order to stop one of the worst environmental disasters in U.S. history.
At least then the “resources and expertise” that government officials keep rightly explaining they don’t have can be transferred to the authority of those who would have less incentive to act in their own PR interests rather than the interests of the nation. Brad Johnson writes that the Obama Administration has full authority to create a receivership or even nationalize BP and seize its assets. I think that urging the President to “take command” in some metaphorical way – “show more emotion!” – is silly, but there are plenty of concrete steps even short of receivership that could be taken.
At the least, the federal government should direct the ground cleanup. BP has no special resources for that endeavor over what the feds have access to. And the monitoring of the size of the leak should come completely out of the hands of BP, who Carol Browner admits has a financial interest in lowballing that amount, because they could be fined $4,300/barrel for what has spilled. They’ve denied the existence of the underwater plumes of which scientists have found clear evidence.
Reich concludes:
The President should temporarily take over BP’s Gulf operations. We have a national emergency on our hands. No president would allow a nuclear reactor owned by a private for-profit company to melt down in the United States while remaining under the direct control of that company. The meltdown in the Gulf is the environmental equivalent.




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How does this measure up using friedman units?
I posted an article on May 28, 2010, calling on President Obama to federalize the on-the-ground oil spill clean up efforts. The thing that convinced me that we could not trust BP to do the job was the total absence of cleanup workers when Anderson Cooper, Gov. Bobby Jindal and Billy Nungesser spent a day viewing the coast and marshes in Louisiana without seeing a single worker, whereas the very next day there were 300 workers on the beach for just a few hours while President Obama was there. Those workers were nothing but a PR ploy. While our government may not have the technology to plug the leak, the government does have the experience and ability to carry out a public-works project. The interests of BP and the U.S. are not the same. B.P. has an interest in keeping its costs and liabilities as low as possible. Our nation has two overriding interests in this: protection of the ecosystem and the welfare (both economic and health) of our citizens in the Gulf states. The government will recover plenty of money from BP that can be used to reimburse it for expenses of the clean-up. And the government can use a more comprehensive approach than BP is likely to do. For example, BP is putting workers in corrugated box called flotels. The government can (and should) rent vacant hotel rooms for workers to stay in. This will help keep hotels from going out of business and inject money into the local economy to replace the tourist dollars that are missing. I feel so strongly about this that I have polls about it at BPOilNews.com and Facebook.com/BPOilNews/, and I am buying pay-per-click ads on Bing.com saying Dear President Obama, do not let BP control the oil spill cleanup. (I tried to buy the same ads on Google, but they were not approved). The Congressional Research Service has published an interesting report on Potential Stafford Act Declarations for the Gulf Oil Spill: Issues for Congress.
hit them where it hurts,the bottom line
Fuck More Emotion — focus on what his Wife wears.
That’s my emotional reaction. At what cost?!
Not on edit, but an aside. Al Gore? Separating from Tipper (what kind of name is that) Gore. So much for fixing what we listen to.
Oh, yeah. Someone take over BP. Please. Or, separate. Just. Do. It. The kids are grown. Sad. In so many ways.
Wow this is novel, and just a few days ago I was completely castigated by FDL’s very own Blue Texan for suggesting essentially this same line of thinking.
I look forward to Blue Texan joining the discussion by asking Mr. Dayen and Mr. Reich where exactly the government is supposed to get it’s “Super Duper Deep Wa Wa Oil Well Anal Plug” or whatever the hell he called it when he lobbed it out there as a non-sequitur in his “discussion” with me.
Nationalizing BP was the obvious choice from the beginning.
But even that fine idea misses the political reality that BP (and the rest) nationalized the United States long ago.
Damn BT and Dayen for not blogging in lockstep!
Somebody call the cops!
I thought this was the borg, too!
I’m not saying they should blog in lockstep, I’m saying:
We have a literacy crisis on our hands evidently.
Bwahahaha! I remember talking about Nationalizing the oil companies at the Lake a few years ago.
Ignoring the opening is essential to attracting an audience.
Or flies.
Edit: I am certain BT has all the time in the world to keep up with other authors. You should stay right here and watch closely.
Obama???
Well, as far as I can tell, Blue Texan is FDL’s resident moderate, or at least relative moderate, yes?
This indicates that they should be blogging in lockstep how exactly? It’s a statement of fact that, “just a few days ago I was completely castigated by FDL’s very own Blue Texan for suggesting essentially this same line of thinking.”
Maybe I can make this more clear. I have no expectation that FDL’s various primary contributors will espouse the same overall prerogatives in their writing.
I am however looking forward to Blue Texan joining the discussion by asking Mr. Dayen and Mr. Reich where exactly the government is supposed to get it’s “Super Duper Deep Wa Wa Oil Well Anal Plug” or whatever the hell he called it when he lobbed it out there as a non-sequitur in his “discussion” with me.
It really is one of those strange things that we allow to continue to be a central platform of our energy policy, yet we refuse to treat it like a public utility. Really the same goes for coal and natural gas for the most part.
Good play-
If Dayen had agreed with BT, you would be knitting right now, instead of… well…
Phoenix Woman is upstairs!
IDF Information Blockade Fails: Growing Number of Flotilla Survivors Debunk IDF’s Massacre Story
If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Then maybe the next question is why they do it?
Maybe like BP they can’t afford to face the truth/pay the price of their mistake and like a little kid scared of the dark who keeps flicking the light switch when the fuse blows.
Deep down insane actions are based on fear. That said BP seems to not be repeating but rather escalating the Crazy they are flicking the light switch harder faster in their fear not caring if they break the light switch/release more oil.
All they know is they fear the Bad PR, the Lawsuits, the Jail Time etc they need this to stop Now!
And how. Clear as water to fish I guess, which is maybe why so few have put it in these terms till this week.
Take them over, and where they do have special packages,
dragoon their asseshire them. Give Tony Hayward a little desk and set-ups in the corner of the Oval Office. (If I were Pres, he’d be looking for the right circle of the inferno to compare it to.)And above all, see to the proper flow of information, to the public and to other experts and agencies, and the proper employment and safeguarding of the line workers.
I’ve been saying that for decades. It’s nice to have some company.
If we don’t get off the oil drug, they’ll destroy every living thing on the planet so a handful of bastards in $10,000 suits can argue over who gets to butter and eat the last lobster left on earth. (The man with the trillions of dollars it will cost to pay for it, of course.)
Agreed most countries have Nationalized their oil companies. Imagine oil profits paying for Social Security. Rand Paul says Free Markets can do things better than government well Rand BP is crying for government help.
The Company is why I hang out here:) I wonder what the cost of Solar, Wind, Hydropower will look like now after we add up BP’s mistake?
My guess Green power just started making much more sense.
If our oil were nationalized, I suspect it’d be mitigated faster. It’s expensive, and we already subsidize the shit out of it.
Unlike coal, it’s really not all that comparatively cost-effective, at least not with the same disparity that coal enjoys. It just has traction.
Anyway, I see the cycle of economies going like this. Public foots the bill for research, hands over the reigns to private industry for commercialization, private industry moves forward toward commoditization, the public regains control of the commodity.
That way we get the dozens and dozens of little private laboratories refining production efficiencies, and we stave of the condition where private enterprise controls what becomes critical national infrastructure as society and markets advance.
Not sure I understand, but whatever it is you’re trying to say I can assure you that Jason’s blogging on HCR disabused me of any notion to have such expectations of agreement or continuity.
Isn’t it time to permanently close off this well and tell BP to start over? One would think a bunker buster or two would do the trick nicely. Or is BP telling us that would generate a hundred mini-wells, all aleaking? Having to start over – and forcing a halt to this insane rate of pollution – would seem to be a small price for BP and its limited liability shareholders to pay for BP’s management screwing up so badly so many resources and so many lives.
You seem to be assuming the problem is on your end, with your explanation.
I don’t believe it is.
That’s also the definition of persistence, and occasionally even bravery.
So the choice of “insanity” or “brave persistence” is as much an exercise in self-revelation as it is judgment.
(That’s not in any way a defense of BP, it’s a way of pointing out that others don’t always perform an act with the same motivations we ourselves do.)
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Barry let the public believe for a month that the flow of oil was 1,000 to 5,000 barrels a day. That estimate came from a company that stands to lose (or gain) billions depending on what the flow actually was (is).
Prediction: BP will cut and run, not cut and cap. And the taxpayers will foot almost the entire bill.
Get real! You think the Obama administration is going to take over BP? He’s a fraud and a failure and he’s deserving of having a primary challenge. I watched “American Experience” on PBS last night and they did a piece on FDR and the CCC. What a great President FDR was. Visionary and an astute politician. Using FDR as a benchmark Obama is pathetic. He’d be laughable if he didn’t hurt the working and middle class to the extent that he has.
Bingo! That’s the same conclusion I came to last week. They’ll let their attorneys sort it out over the next two generations.
Remember: All of their oil is on the water. The plumes? Prove it.
I just watched the first 13 minutes of The Rachel Maddow Show…which she devoted entirely to the BP oil spill before going to a commercial break.
During this opening segment, she didn’t mention President Obama’s name even once…NOT ONCE. When the show resumed, Rachel continued to discuss the spill without even so much as an offhand reference to the President. At the 25 minute mark, she went to commercial again… Obama continued to be the invisible man as far as Rachel was concerned. When the show resumed again, she had moved on to a new subject.
How is that possible? How on earth can it be possible to discuss the catastrophe in the Gulf AT LENGTH without ever mentioning the President of the United States?
Rachel Maddow has lost all credibility on this topic…unbelievable.
I don’t think the gov can run a far flung operaton like BP but they can direct the ground clean up. while on the subject, why are there only 2 relief wells being drilled. I understand from the Maddow show that it may take multible tries, as many as 5. Tell Bp to drill another one (third one) and if the first one is successful then deduct the cost from the bill they will owe us anyway. If not, then we told you so. Better be safe then sorry later and have to wait another 3 months.
I was one of those who wanted to blow the damn thing up but I saw an expert on the tube who suggested that a bunch of mini wells was a decent possibility if you try to blow it up. I don’t know but the decision should not be one for BP to make.
I think it’s partly due to a shortage of drilling equipment, because much of it is currently employed or being refurbished for future use.
Following the lead of Drum, MY, Josh, and even KO. All jockeying for favor and access.
BP does seem to have a conflict of interest here, in that it hopes to avoid much of the liability for the damage this oil will do, and it doesn’t want to dig a new well. Hence, the many attempts to cap this one. (I could have missed earlier threads that made the point that this well will be unusable for production under any circumstances.)
Obama is certainly doing his best to make it look like managing this corporate and environmental disaster is all his show. He’s behaving as if he hired Karl Rove to stage manage his own downfall.
I don’t think that is true. The drillers have lots of excess capacity, even Transocean. It could be the drill rigs are somewhere else but they are no where near capacity utilization.
Yeah, I like Obama but I agree this is his Katrina. It will be a miracle if he got reelected. I don’t really believe though it is his problem despite the general perception. He may have misplaced his cape. He is the scapegoat.
I’ll see if I can locate where I read that. I think it was at Oil Drum, but I can’t recall.
I was only reciting what on investment survey says about all the drillers – -ie their rigs are not fully employed. Probably even less now given the moratorium. Of course, they could have idle rigs in Australia or some such place but I doubt that. Just wanted to put the idea out there.
But then everything could be FOIA’d couldn’t it? Would that be the case if BP was nationalized? And it sure seems like there are things to this – and that hokey video feed – that just don’t add up.
We can’t nationalize BP. Our political parties are junior partners to BP. We’re already a BP subsidiary.
I always hate when I hear this. Insanity is a mental defect. Repetitive behavior without bothering to observe the effects can be a symptom, but it’s far from the definition of insanity.
And just HOW many fucking times have we heard:
“There’s more coming out than they told us.”???
Check this out:
http://apnews.myway.com//article/20100527/D9FV82CG4.html
I make it at least 5 times.
And let’s say that BP’s defenders (the ones who are left…) are right in saying that PB has the hardware and tech, while the U.S. government and/or the U.S. Navy don’t…To me that means, by now, OUR government should know where to get the equipment to shut it down, and that’s in the possession of BP. How about Obama just takes it? I mean, send in the fucking Seals, if he has to, to take over the ROV’s, etc, and let the damn courts sort out the legal niceties after the gusher has been shut down.
If this thing is still spewing out the crud(e) two months from now, I’m thinking that Obama’s ass is going to be political roadkill. NO one will want to be seen campaigning with him, and that will be the harbinger of things to come, in 2012. Couldn’t happen to a nicer centrist.
By that logic, the detainee abuse photos could be provided via the FOIA. We got to learn just how wrong we were about that.
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Well, one small early-season “system” in the GOM (as frequently happens in the hurricane season) and we can call him “brownTex”.
And, I’ll go out on a limb here, and say that politically speaking, Obama can’t afford to wait very much longer (and certainly not two months…) to get his hands oily. BP has used up all of it’s bullshit quota. Very few people believe them when they give their “assessment”. And, with his already-established track record, not many more believe Obama. Either he leaves the bubble and gets into this, or he, and the dems, will pay a huge political price.
Woops! There goes another 3,000-plus square miles of fishing grounds in the GOM:
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100602/D9G2LE7O1.html
Reich is spot on. Take them over. And, at a micro level, make them stop telling cleanup crews to take off their safety equipment because it makes for bad visuals.
Here’s Driftglass: rockin’ and rollin’…
http://driftglass.blogspot.com/2010/05/bps-gulf-kill-procedure.html
I thought I just heard Rachel Maddow state that BHO had to “ask” (demand?) that BP drill the second relief well; that BP had only intended to drill one, which is apparently like trying to find the proverbial needle in a haystack. A prior comment suggests that BP should drill more than 2. It does beggar the imagination that BHO has stood idly by waiting for BP to take “control” of this unmitigated disaster, which has been a complete abject disaster from the first nanosecond that the rig caught fire… and not some disaster that was putatively “looming” for well over a month, as the corporate owned and operated media, including npr, was trilling forth until just very recently.
When did Piyush “Bobby” Jindal grow a spine, too? Not until pretty recently unless I missed something (doubtful). Both Piyush and Rahmbama sitting around counting their payola from BP, while our environment goes to hell. Thanks for nothing.
Heck yeah, BHO should demand that BP give the USA whatever the eff is needed to organize and accomplish the cleanup effort. FDL posts have been demanding better USA involvement in the clean up from the start making some very useful suggestions about a public works project that *could* have inured to BHO’s benefit, too. But: crickets… so far.
Well, folks: this is your permanent Republican majority at work. You likey? Because it’s only going to get worse unless or until citizens start demanding better treatment, including primarying these craven political whores who claim to “run” our govt. Clearly they are not.
And Ken Salazar, and all the BigOil minions that he recently hired into MMS, should be run out of town on a rail. Can we please get some competent and committed people in to deal with this situation in a *real* way, rather than this fake posturing that’s gone on so far?
Why not give BP a choice…BP’s entire North American operations being put into receivership or just Deepwater Horizon is nationalized, with all proceeds from oil either extracted or collected from that oil that has already gushed out into the Gulf of Mexico paying for the mess they caused for as long as it takes?
Of course, I’m skeptical that anything will work as far as holding BP wholly accountable. One way or another, the oil companies (along with speculators) will game the system for every last cent, making up for shortfalls in one revenue stream by jacking up prices in another, and we’ll probably see a repeat of what happened in the Bush/Cheney years when gasoline prices in the U.S. rose to over $4.00 a gallon, even though supply and demand remained fairly constant.
These guys at the top of the world oil culture just don’t care. They’ve got theirs, screw everyone else. And if some have to die because of their manic pursuit of unlimited profits which causes some (like at BP) to cut safety corners, well, who’s going to stop them? The Bush/Cheney administration definitely didn’t…that administration actually aided and abetted the oil industry executives (since both Bush and Cheney were oil executives), even invading a country for them. President Obama? Rahm Emanuel, who seems to be pulling all the political strings for Obama? Congressional Republicans and Democrats? The conservative-leaning courts? The hardcore conservative Supreme Court? Yeah, right.
“This time, we’ve got a new dome, now with 50% more dome technology. And BP admits going in that this wouldn’t actually plug the leak, just slow it down somewhat. Actually, initially, cutting the pipe leading to the blowout preventer will remove a kink in it and INCREASE the flow of oil – temporarily, we’re told.”
They’re going to decrease the flow of oil by increasing the flow of oil? And this is better than doing nothing, how?
Can I point out the bleeding obvious. The “B” in BP stands for British. It’s not an American company and so cannot be nationalized.
Sure, go ahead and nationalize its US subsidiary, and see how long it takes the Brits to nationalize say, oh I dunno, FORD’s UK subsidiary, along with half a dozen banks, GOOGLE UK, and who knows what else.
Despite this though, I might still be in favor of it if I thought that the feds would be even slightly less inept than BP, which I think we all know by now isn’t the case. BP has a vested interest in capping this well; the anti-offshore drilling Obama administration does not…