A couple people I’ve talked to at the America’s Future Now conference were as stunned as I was by White House designated progressive Jared Bernstein walking out Tuesday before the end of his own panel on jobs and the economy, while NYT columnist Bob Herbert was speaking. The optics of this are completely ridiculous. Bernstein gave a speech basically telling the assembled not to “lose sight” of the advances made in the Obama Administration, while recognizing the mass joblessness and the need for more action. “If you think any of us in the WH are satisfied with where we are, please let me disabuse you of that notion,” he said, going on to call for passage of aid to state Medicaid budget shortfalls and the COBRA subsidy, two pieces taken out of the jobs bill to please Blue Dogs. Bernstein even said that the Administration has not pivoted to deficit reduction (contrary to their actions?). In other words, he gave a speech, alternately pandering to the crowd and playing defense. He wanted to prove that he was listening to the concerns of progressives.
And then, he left. While Bob Herbert was speaking and calling the lack of urgency on jobs “offensive.” As if to highlight the lack of urgency, Bernstein strolled out of the room. He made his speech, and that was all that needed to be done to satisfy the masses, I guess.
If you wonder why I described this event as “surly,” I think that actions like that underscore it. People are desperate for real engagement from their leadership. But they feel like they have been put at arm’s length. Because they have.




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Whay waste breath trying to engage with these people at all. Either oppose them 100% and fight them to the death, or get the hell out of there and start anew somewhere better.
shocking behavior. You don’t stick around for progressive they won’t stick around for you.
Machine Democrats in general, and the clique in the White House in particular, need to be slapped around at the poles. That will either get their attention or it won’t. If it doesn’t, they will be out on their own asses.
Progressives would be fools to accept the usual routine. You know. ‘Eat this shit. It’s all you are going to get from us and the ‘pugs are even worse.’
And Progressives are not fools.
This really is ‘beaten dog syndrome’. Kicked half to death but keeps coming back to master for more. Either break the cycle of abuse, show your fangs, and sink them into the bastard’s nether regions, or accept you will be beaten to death eventually.
No, I’d say that like Obama his actions speak MUCH LOUDER than his words.
That’s why I’m done voting for them – all of them.
Bernstein’s been a lost cause ever since he teamed up with Robert Rubin to publish a should-be-infamous op-ed in the Times — an op-ed that may well have been an application for a job in the Obama administration.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/03/opinion/03rubin.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1
NPR sure spun the conference as therapy for the participants
The prescription for progressives is:
Dump the Democrats
Go populist
Asking Democrats to speak at a progressive conference is an invitation for them to treat you like rubes. We are a year and a half into the Obama Administration. If they had been interested in a dialogue with progressives it would already have happened. Jared Bernstein is a 4th or even 5th string player in this Administration and even he has attitude with regard to progressives. Does this give you any indication of just how low on the totem pole progressives are with these guys? What this conference should have done is tell the Democrats to go Cheney themselves, that progressives are serious about fixing the problems of this country, but when it comes to the November election, we’re going to be gone fishing.
Bob Herbert by the way is the last writer at the Times worth reading.
They’re not our leadership D-Day. They’re Corporatist, class warriors. Don’t ever forget it. Btw, see here.
He is. He always gets it.
Yep, but I’m sure there are still enought true o believers. Sad but hopefully no one is confused on were the wh stands.
They call that the “Tea Party.” Knock yourself out.
In the mean time, you’ve said the same thing in two different threads. Got anything fresher?
That’s why this piece needed to be seen on the front page. While we’re trying hard to get a candidate elected who won’t be as likely to undermine working Americans, White House flunky Bernstein offers lip service and then flees.
Nice.
Progressives aren’t going to “fall in line” despite what Rahm and the rest of the White House want you to think. I don’t see us as any better off than we were under Bush. In fact, in many ways we are worse off now than we were in 2008. Why would progressives stand by the Democrats when it has been demonstrated over and over again that they consider us patsies. Look at Congress. The conventional wisdom is that Democrats are going to face a tough year and rather than pandering to the left a bit, they are making a hard right turn. For some reason they still believe that they can tempt Republican voters. Between the Teabaggers and the establishment Democrats, I think I’ll stay home this year unless I can find some decent third party candidates.
Thoroughly agree but nothing could be further from the truth. The repugs are worse? If they are, I don’t see it. We voted for change and got Bush Lite.
The creation of jobs requires “true innovation” brought to market enabled by retooling and above all a flow of credit. The problem is innovation threatens status quo interests more concerned with protecting profit and cash cows at the expense of the Republic. “Oil” has no interest in changing anything. Banks restrict credit and innovation dies…..
Protect corporations and enable servitude?
America liberation is not that different from the slaves. Slaves toiled uncompensated, had no rights and where property. Today Americans pay dearly for energy computerized! The energy’s value is wasted inefficiently when consumed. Today a foreign corporation still pollutes America’s waters in a quest to feed the instilled monopolized need for gasoline to fuel liberty, inefficiently. The energy value, money “wasted” over decades and generations is future generation’s liberty denied. We have also fixed a price on “life” as one would a piece of property, in the form of a health insurance mandate, under fear of tax penalty! The ghost of Dred Scott lives, a corporate wet dream to place people into state of servitude, to corporations…….
Protect the corporations…….
Still–would it be fair to say progressives have not wooed the Democrats as well as we might have?
As a group, we are not major suppliers of funds for their campaigns. And most of the progressives I know express a great deal of hatred and contempt for Democrats, often speaking about Democratic leaders as if they were dogs. And then we wonder why the party doesn’t welcome us with open arms.
Ha, democrat leaders, that’s a real laugh! What’s democratic about them?
Well, maybe we should go crawling back up to them with our tails between our legs like a dog that was just kicked by its master.
Obama and the Clinton adminstration are trojan horses.
There is something much bigger going on here.
The corporate elite fears the idea of a progressive take over of the USA.
In 2008 Obama lied his way to the White House. The key word here is “LIED”.
The corporate elite do not want a progressive leader to rise up, so they develop Trojan Horses, like Obama, Clinton, etc.
There is a dangerous calm around the USA, like the calm before a HUGE STORM, none of OBAMA Hoover policies are working, you can not talk your way out of a depression, or an oil spill.
Once the idea of Hope fades, HELL will come!
Obama wants us we need jobs. Or he and the Dems can keep putting us off with crumbs and then wonder why they lost big in the fall.
The only reason they might not lose big is that the GOP is putting out worse candidates.
There are many good progressives in the Congress, we just need to support them and find more. As disappointed in the results as I am, it’s not over. It’s only over when we quit. As time goes on, we are getting better progressives and more of them.
Jobs are like plankton Obama the more you help the little guy first the more you help everyone over them.
However if you feed the big fish instead you must keep feeding them or else they will eat all the littler fish they can and die off.
Keeping the big fish alive on Ponzai schemes, Gambling, and War Contracts is like keeping kids alive on halloween candy.
We need an economy based on making stuff, stuff people want.
perrylogan
what kind of Democrat are you?
do democrats in your world support the idea of war forever?
do democrats in your world support the idea of mandating people buy insurance?
do democrats in your world hate the idea of a public option?
do democrats in your world hate unions and the middle class?
do democrats in your world love Wall Street?
do democrats in your world like the idea of cutting social security and making it private?
Perry Logan
Obama and Clinton along with their CORPORATE MSM friends have fool the masses into believing they would be love by FDR, JFK, LBJ, MLK, etc. They would not.
Obama like Clinton knows how to use certain words spoken by famous Democrats to make people feel like they are real democrats.
Clinton game is he feels your pain? Clinton is also the guy that gave us NAFTA, would FDR had voted and pushed for NAFTA?
Obama speaks Like MLK, but did MLK ever promote the idea of War Forever?
great post
We need leaders willing to stand up to Obama. We need Harry out of the Senate and Nancy out of the House.
Your battered spouse syndrome is showing…
I was thinking the same about your post:)
Gee, I always thought it was the job of the people who wanted votes to “woo” the people voting. My bad…
GlenJo -
Please don’t just stop voting – rather vote for greens or for the few Dems that are decent. The party elites are in a state of denial and if you just disappear from the voter rolls they learn nothing -
Agreed Greens, Socialist, Commies etc!
What I wonder is what is Obama & Co thinking? Do they just figure we will continue to play the lesser of 2 evils game forever?
We really need somebody to primary Obama!
Obama is believing what he wants to believe because its easier that way.
Impeach EVERYONE. Every last criminal, err, politician in DC. Impeach anyone who seeks re-election because they are CLEARLY criminals. We can cut slack for people running for office who have never held office before because they don’t know that it is all really a kleptomaniacal crime syndicate.
Impeach them all and then burn the capitol to the ground and salt the earth.
When will there be a Labor Reform Party? When will we kick this loser system of ours to the curb? We keep putting different people in charge of a failed system; a failed ship of state. We are going in circles in steerage while the small group of elites party hardy. What is wrong with us? After three years of flying all the way from Montana to attend this conference spending a lot of money, I got smart. It never changed. Same people; a bunch of young politicos and old hippies. But really the majority of speakers and attendees made their living working within this system as pundits, think tank fellows, lobbyists, media, and congress weasels. Everybody knows everybody. Boring and ultimately fruitless except for hearing the occasional new idea and some welcome camaraderie with fellow wanderers.
The U.S. Social Forum will convene in Detroit June 22nd. 45,000 activists have signed up. I just bet that will be far more invigorating than this Versailles theater piece. So sad, I am.
Obama is getting his information filtered through DINOs. Or Likud-USA members.
And the Chicago School of Economics.
Cool give us a report.
Bernstein’s rude message shows arrogance and stupidity.
We’re not being kept at arm’s length. We are at the end of the piss arch.
And don’t tell me it’s raining.
Progressives have done all the ‘wooing’ of Democrats they needed to do–they contributed to and voted for Democrats in droves in 2006 & 2008 and put them in office. And the Dems betrayed them on issue after issue, shutting progressives altogether out of the discussion. When you send someone flowers and they crap on them on light them on fire, is it time to cease the wooing and look elsewhere?
I agree to a certain extent about impeaching the criminals in DC; however, I don’t think we would have to impeach the lot of them. If we could just impeach the leaders of both parties, the lot of them would actually start working for the people instead of corporations. That said they control the impeachment process, which means no impeachment, therefore I defer to you, impeach them all!
Please don’t let anyone tell you that this is about an anonymous quote in Politico and some inside-baseball gossip from a Beltway forum. This stuff merely brings to the fore tension that’s been growing because the Obama admin has rejected progressive policies. Specifically on labor: breaking his promise to redo NAFTA, pursuing “free” trade agreements with Columbia, S. Korea, and Panama, not fighting for EFCA, a lack of real jobs program….the disillusionment among Labor is real….
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leo-hindery-jr/not-loyal-opposition-with_b_518264.html
When will there be a labor reform party? Good question, I bet ten of thousands of progressives-liberals-leftists are wondering the same thing. I suppose when enough of us build one. And of course it would be mighty helpful if a labor leader of note left the Democratic Party and ran for president. I’d nominate Leo Girard but he was born in Canada.
Jobs stimulus has been intentionally destroyed by Obama and the Democraps. They did TARP, and now this is what is considered “stimulus” by the People. The People reject TARP and its brethren absolutely and so whenever the word “stimulus” is used, it is TARP and that sort of crap that comes to mind.
David, I usually scratch my head when I hear that labor “leaders” are sitting around scratching their heads about what’s up with Obama? It was crystal clear in the campaign that he was giving lip service to labor. Wasn’t it Goolsbee or Sunstein (sorry I get the U of Chicago Shock Doctrine Boys confused since they all blend into one evil blob) who reassured the Canadians that there was no way Obama would undo NAFTA. Not once was Obama passionate about the real backbone and sinew and really the heart of our nation, American know how and work skills. He had Robert Rubin actually right by his side throughout the campaign! How could people be fooled? You’d think after a certain amount of years, labor leaders would not fall for smooth talking, but they were.
Big question is; will they get off that duffs and push back from that dinner table where they are fraternizing with the enemy and do something. They must form a new party. The Democratic Party is no longer democratic. We have two aristocratic parties. Let’s really move on without MOVE ON.
And Leo Gerard is really great except for starting out every interview with “I know President Obama’s heart is in the right place. I’ve met him and I know that.” When Leo finally says, “I got punked”, I’ll have more respect for him. Other labor leaders are cutting side deals because they knew Obama was a conservative. Don’t the Teamsters want Fed Ex unionized? We never hear from them so they must be pursuing their own goals. Labor needs to reunite and stop following separate agendas.
Run a labor leader for President. What about Trumka?
No they don’t. That’s just total bollocks from you.
No doubt, no doubt. The conversion of politics based upon voting and issues into a horserace for cash has guaranteed this outcome. Progressives could not possibly provide more cash than corporations like Goldman Sachs or JPMorgan. In the first quarter JPMorgan got $271 billion at negative .05 interest from the Fed. If anyone thinks that normal Americans can complete dollar for dollar with corporations that are paid to borrow billions they need to rethink their strategies.
Those are pretty sobering stats if they are to be believed. Certainly goes to show that some people are getting it! Wonder how the wonder boys in the wh spin those figures, oh that’s right they don’t give a dam!
Thanks, I agree with tcu, please give us a report.
Very well put. And good luck with Social Forum. Maybe there? Could it be worth starting a blog specifically to discuss politics and raise awareness and funds for any eventual new party that emerges from it? It appears FDL is never going to be that.
Is there a limit on the number of different threads one can make a similar comment? I mean, since most people do not read every thread nor the all comments in every post they do read, I can imagine someone making a similar comment in more than one post to be simply trying to get his or her comment read as much as possible.
When I encounter obviously same comments I just skip on to the next one. No big whoop. Or…?
Now, cricticims or praise or explication of content of comments, quite well and good. That’s what comment threads are about.
Sounds like a plan! Goodbye!
Yes, I would be *most* interested in seeing some good grassroots reporting on this event!
Don’t you know who this guy is?!
(I don’t have a fucking clue either)
One small quibble — I tend to favor referring to the legacy parties as “corporatist parties,” since any aristocracy among their leaders tend to come out of corporate favor shown to ensure corporate power.
But, otherwise, right on.
Enough of ths silly talk about starting a new party.
You can start party after, after party, but if you fail to keep your members inform, the corporate MSM will do to your party what they have done to the Democratic party, they will create an OBAMA like candidate and tell the world he or she is a green party leader.
the majority of real democratic believe the followin
the majority of real democrats wanted a public option (obama did not want a public option)
the majority of real democrats and americans hate the idea of individual mandate (obama loves the idea individual mandates)
the majority of real democrats want the wars to stop (obama is for more war)
the majority of real democrats like social security (obama wants to destroy social security as we know it)
the corporate elites and the corporate MSM preaches to all americans that Obama is a progressive? Because they consider the avg american to be ignorant and dumb.
Do you think Obama likes FDR or Reagan?
When you start your Labor Party, the corporate elites will plant a trojan horse in your party, that once elected will become their puppet.
the key to beating this enemy is educating the masses about how presidents like Clinton and Obama act and talk like Dems, but govern like right wing republicans.
remember Clinton is Mr. feel your pain, and he also voted and championed NAFTA the program that wipe out the USA middle class
OBAMA talks like Martin Luther King, but loves WAR and MORE war. Martin Luther King was a real noble peace prize winner.
Hopefully Bernstein’s incredibly rude stunt moved some attendees to become more conscious of the reality of our predicament.
These conferences, as in many professional fields, are moneymaking endeavours for the organizers and paid presenters. Or supposed “networking” opportunities for the paying attendees. The panels etc. become window-dressing. And the meme is you “have” to pay and attend and join in or you are not ‘serious.’ That’s marketing.
The political class (politicians, consultants, national party organizers, and lobbyists) have much more in common with each other than with the rest of us (voters/constituents) ~ hence, how easily they play muscical chairs. As time goes on this dynamic becomes stronger and stronger. It’s their business. It’s their profession. It’s a game they play with each other like competitors in a marketplace. They need each other more than they need the rest of us.
It’s not about *real* problems and none of it will solve our *real* problems.
Enough of ths silly talk about starting a new party.
You can start party after, after party, but if you fail to keep your members inform, the corporate MSM will do to your party what they have done to the Democratic party, they will create an OBAMA like candidate and tell the world he or she is a green party leader.
the majority of real democratic believe the following
the majority of real democrats wanted a public option (obama did not want a public option)
the majority of real democrats and americans hate the idea of individual mandate (obama loves the idea individual mandates)
the majority of real democrats want the wars to stop (obama is for more war)
the majority of real democrats like social security (obama wants to destroy social security as we know it)
the corporate elites and the corporate MSM preaches to all americans that Obama is a progressive?
Because they consider the avg american to be ignorant and dumb.
Do you think Obama likes FDR or Reagan?
When you start your Labor Party, the corporate elites will plant a trojan horse in your party, that once elected will become their puppet.
the key to beating this enemy is educating the masses about how presidents like Clinton and Obama act and talk like Dems, but govern like right wing republicans.
remember Clinton is Mr. feel your pain, and he also voted and championed NAFTA the program that wiped out the USA middle class
OBAMA talks like Martin Luther King, but loves WAR and MORE war. I think MLK was anti war
We can do both or more. I tried working within the party. Hey, I was a County Chair and delegate to Boston 2004. Then I came up against the brick wall because the Democratic leadership are just a bunch of authoritarian bullies. I was allowed to go just so far and then was told to mind my masters. So I’m done with them. Don’t need to be an apparatchik.
I had a liberal radio show on for 5 years that called out corporatists like Obama. And I lost friends because of my opposition to Obama. Didn’t have a huge audience and had no money. But I tried. And still do in letters to the editor.
I think the Democratic Party is damaged beyond repair. So like the Whigs, they have to go. We need some other organization like the Socialist Party in the early 1900s that scares the bejesus out of the status quo which the two parties are determined to keep in place and keep us as sharecroppers in this country.
So Bernstein walked out. Ho hum.
Bowers will keep pleading for Progs to vote for Anybody But Republican in 2010 & 2012. Yglesias will tell all purity trolls to STFU and most will agree. Drum and Benen will hold their noses and vote Dem/Obama…but write a sternly-worded column thereafter explaining their neccessary choice. Alterman will blame Nader for the world’s problems. Kos will blame Kucinich…and Repubs. Finally, Chait will somehow, someway play the race and Anti-Semitic card in the same column.
It’s just a continuance of the recent 15-month Health Insurance Industry Bailout debate.
I’m done voting for Democrats – I’m debating on Greens or Republicans.
perrylogan is right. Last night Clinton gave us a re-run of Blanch Lincoln, the worst Democrat besides Joe Lieberman we have ever seen. I am slowly but surley seeing the light. We are riding the edge of seeing the first Black Liberal Democrat President who gave us Health Insurance Reform, soon to be the one to probably cut our SS, Medicare and Medicaid….which will be the biggest catastrophic action taken against the working class in decades.
We all need to stick together and stay home during the November election. Let Bill Clinton get all of them elected.
I disagree, we didnt get bush lite, we got a Bush virtuial third term!
you are playing with samantics, who coined the term Progressive anyway?!
I am a Democrat and I want the Democrats that I supported to deliver democratic principle & results. When will we ever have the Senate, House and Whitehouse again? Most likely not in my lifetime.