The Gaza flotilla tragedy highlighted the Israeli economic blockade against the 1.5 million people of Gaza, and the swift international condemnation of the incident has led to some mildly positive results. Both Egypt and Israel have eased the blockade somewhat, the President has offered an aid package to the Palestinians (just don’t expect it to all go to Gaza), and the entire affair has forced a reassessment of the legitimacy and even the effectiveness of the blockade.
In its three years in power, Hamas has taken control of not only security, education and the justice system but also the economy, by regulating and taxing an extensive smuggling tunnel system from Egypt. In the process, the traditional and largely pro-Western business community has been sidelined.
This may be about to change.
“We need to build a legitimate private sector in Gaza as a strong counterweight to extremism,” Tony Blair, who serves as the international community’s liaison to the Palestinians, said in an interview. The views of Mr. Blair, a former prime minister of Britain, reflected those of the Obama administration as well. “To end up with a Gaza that is dependent on tunnels and foreign aid is not a good idea,” he said.
Businesspeople in Gaza say that by closing down legitimate commerce, Israel has helped Hamas tighten its domination. And by allowing in food for shops but not goods needed for industry, Israel is helping keep Gaza a welfare society, the sort of place where extremism can flourish.
It does not serve the interests of Israeli security to sustain a situation which continues to give Hamas a strong hand, cuts off entrepreneurship, and makes nobody safer. Some Israeli officials claim to be working on a change in policy, and the US has not yet asked for an end to the blockade, but that’s clearly the direction in which we’re moving.
While most of Israel’s defenders would counter that the blockade merely protects southern Israel from Hamas rockets, sometimes they slip up and explain the true goal. This was the case when Chuck Schumer told the Orthodox Union that economic apartheid was desirable and sensible:
SCHUMER: The Palestinian people still don’t believe in the Jewish state, in a two-state solution. More do than before, but a majority still do not. Their fundamental view is, the Europeans treated the Jews badly and gave them our land — this is Palestinian thinking [...] They don’t believe in the Torah, in David [...] You have to force them to say Israel is here to stay. The boycott of Gaza to me has another purpose — obviously the first purpose is to prevent Hamas from getting weapons by which they will use to hurt Israel — but the second is actually to show the Palestinians that when there’s some moderation and cooperation, they can have an economic advancement. When there’s total war against Israel, which Hamas wages, they’re going to get nowhere. And to me, since the Palestinians in Gaza elected Hamas, while certainly there should be humanitarian aid and people not starving to death, to strangle them economically until they see that’s not the way to go makes sense.
In a way, I appreciate Schumer’s statement, because at least he’s not hiding behind a security argument and giving the true goal, to “strangle them economically.” But “them” in this case doesn’t represent Hamas, but the 1.5 million residents of Gaza being starved through collective punishment. The fact of an election four years ago is sufficient enough for Schumer to advocate for this punishment, even though it serves none of his long-term goals for the region.
You can call this craven or disgusting if you want, but I’ll go with stupid. Schumer would rather look tough than smart when it comes to Gaza.




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Two points; only one quarter of the ‘aid’ package is actually fro humanitarian purposes.
Second, Schumer doesn’t seem willing to recognize the illegality of ‘strving them into submission’.
He REALLY does need to register as an agent of a foreign power.
Schumer might become the majority leader of the Senate if Reid loses in November. Both disgust me, but Reid is the lesser of the two evils.
And then there’s Dickhead Durbin . . .
I think Israel consults with the American TSA before determining what items count as “weapons”.
“Hey, this bottle of soda is more than 3 oz. … sorry, you can’t bring it into Gaza… hey, that baby’s formula could be dispersed into the air and lit on fire, so that’s a weapon, too… hand it over… hey, those diapers could be used as weapons — once they’re filled — so they count as weapons…”
It sure is easy for well fed people who are not in danger of ever being deprived of liberty or basic sustenance to endorse such a horrific policy. 44 percent of Gaza residents are under 14 but I guess they are worth nothing more than a dismissive “Oh well” to Israel and her defenders.
The only difference is in style. In policy all the Dem leaders are interchangeable. Pro corporate, pro Zionist, etc. etc. They wouldn’t have floated to the top of the cesspool if they behaved otherwise.
Yep, which is one reason they didn’t fight to seat Franken. He’s got the Zionist thing down but still has to learn who his corporate masters are and what is their due.
Wait until the TSA figure out real weapons all people now carry, Lithium Batteries.
and this is not true because
Oh, they do believe in David, as we are all children of the book, but they are not the “chosen by god” and must be treated an animals.
As I heard every day when I was a child “Those F…… N…… don’t know how lucky they are, and can’t …………”
Schumer said “And to me, since the Palestinians in Gaza elected Hamas, while certainly there should be humanitarian aid and people not starving to death, to strangle them economically until they see that’s not the way to go makes sense.”
That is collective punishment and that is legally and morally wrong…..
This is disgusting.
Translation: “I can’t give you any facts or hard numbers, but if a majority of the Palestinians DID support a two-state solution, it would be politically inconvenient to me, so let’s you and me just agree that there’s ‘truthiness’ in the notion that ‘the Palestinian people’ all think as one and that they all want Israel to fall into the ocean.”
Translation: “They aren’t wrong in their thinking, except that they don’t accept the historical legitimacy of the story of the Israelites… mind you, neither do Israeli archaeologists, who now concede that Egyptian enslavement and the wandering in the desert never happened… but let’s not get facts get in the way of a self-serving bias…”
Schumer, you POS. You work for me, not Israel. You’re worthless.
It’s not collective punishment, that’s just an instrument to enable Ethnic Cleansing or Genocide.
The Israeli’s would celebrate if the Ghazans all fled.
The Israelis would celebrate if the Gazans all died.
I think some recent archeological discoveries have also led to the realization that both David and Solomon were fairly penny ante kings, and that the David story might have been a compilation of more than one historical figure, not all of them Jewish.
Several links here to the archeological discoveries of Israel Finkelstein, his teams, and his colleagues.
I know that it isn’t about ‘collective punishment’ (I really do believe that ‘Israel’ plans not to stop, until they have ‘pushed’ the Palestinians into the sea and they can say.. ‘see nobody here except gods chosen children’) :(
But it is a concept that most people can grasp and Schumer was very clear on where he stands….That’s a pretty big hammer…
Ah, but they have the History Channel and “the naked archeologist’.
Great idea Chuckles – it worked so well in Cuba. That’s why the Castros were tossed out on their ear in the early ’60s and Cuba is our closet ally in the hemisphere. What? Oh. Never mind.
David,
Speaking of Chuckie Schumer, White Trash anyone?
we’ll only strangle them to the point of unconciousness, right Chuckie ?!?!?
The two state solution died when Rabin was assassinated by a Jewish extremist. That was 15 years ago. It goes to show how bankrupt and dishonest our political elites are that they still invoke it. The blockade of Gaza is collective punishment and a crime against humanity. Schumer admits this is what Israel is doing and what he supports. It is really difficult to convey the depth of Schumer’s depravity and hypocrisy. Let me just ask you to imagine what Schumer’s reaction would be if those were 1.5 million Jews being so treated in Gaza.
Is that what they’re going to call Sarah Palin’s show?
It is called racism.
The vote in Gaza went the wrong way when the Israelis and the Bush administration figured they had it all locked up.
They already had a deal worked out with the Palestinan Authority and an oil and natural gas company BG to tap the vast reserves off the Gazan coast. Israel would get their “fair share”, the corrupt PA would “tax” 10% for themselves and everyone would be happy bleeding the natural resources from Gaza.
Hamas came to power and said no way.
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2010/06/05/war-and-natural-gas-the-israeli-invasion-and-gazas-offshore-gas-fields/
I swear you just can’t make this sh*t up…
Israel plans to send bill to Palestinians over boycotts
WTF…?
Fuck you Schumer and all your AIPAC murdering bastard buddies.
~~~EDITED IN MODERATION~~~
There….that feels better.
~~~Attempts to inflame or provoke are prohibited, subject to moderation.~~~
If Hamas is stupid enough to start launching more rockets into Israel, this time Israel should and hopefully will do what the United States would do if it was on the receiving end of rockets launched at civilian targets: i.e., militarily crush the perpetrators. Hamas committed two war crimes since seizing control of Gaza: (1) shooting rockets into civilian areas, and (2) embedding themselves among civilians so that Israel’s retaliatory strikes would kill civilians.
The Hamas charter calls not only for the destruction of Israel, but also for the murder of all Jews worldwide. Hamas believes in Islamic jihad, and is homophobic, misogynistic, primitive, violent and ignorant. It speaks volumes about the herd of independent minds that vent on this website that they sympathize with them.
The most recent poll over the flotilla incident showed overwhelming support for Israel, with only 15% finding it to be at fault for what occurred compared to 49% who blamed Turkey. Of course the American public is not nearly as intelligent and informed as the life forms who post here to bash Israel.
Nice catch DDayen. This creep will go down in history. These videos will be played in college sociology and psychology classes as an example of racism and cultural purblindness, along side “blue eyes, brown eyes” . He’s pathetic.
Don’t let it derail the thread. It’s narcissistic and thrives on attention. It was probably at Chuck Schumers “excuse making for ethnic cleansing” meeting.
That’s what Schmuck Schumer does when he takes time off from whoring for Goldman, he whores for AIPAC.
Bull crap. You are incorrect on so many things that it would be fruitless to try and educate you. Please return to your temple and play with yourself.
Yup, he’s the goatse of the senate.
ouch… painful butt true
The average woman in Gaza has five children, which accounts for the young age of the total population.
Is Schumer drawing a paycheck from Israel while serving in the Senate or is his work pro bono?
Why do you all suppose the U.S. public supports Israel so overwhelmingly? Is it the Zionist controlled media? Is it that the American public isn’t as intelligent and perceptive as you? It must be enormously frustrating to be right but to be considered part of the lunatic fringe.
Tick Tock Tick Tock…
The U.S. and Israel just had a joint air strike exercise. David Duke and his ideological compatriots on this blog must be furious.
TO THE MODERATOR: I thought we had a strict rule against this sort of thing. Y’all certainly enforce that rule against me when I stray, what’s up with this?
~~~Apologies for the aforementioned comment. That was my fault.~~~
-Lurk
The left normally supports the underdog – I know I do. In this case there are 2 underdogs – both hard to reason with and both OK with violence, but with one much weaker but more willing to turn to violence.
The blockade must be changed to arms only – Schummer is a fool – and Israeli MP’s that support his position are fools. They have a blockade that is run by corporate agriculture interests and whoever else has a lobbyist on the payroll, rather than one based on security – but security is the only legitimate reason to have a blockade. But Hamas is as hard to reason with. Offered unloading ship traffic in Gaza, after a security check for weapons only in Israel, Hamas gives the idea the finger. Economic well-being for GAZA does not seem to be high on the Hamas priority list.
I think it’s worse even than this quote in the post lets on. There are people who view Gazan children, AS WEAPONS. Demographic weapons. Those diapers aren’t necessarily weapons in themselves, but as they are sent to help Gazan children, they *become* weapons, just like a small object meant to increase the effectiveness of a larger weapon would naturally be banned.
The POINT of the blockade is to ruin the lives of children.
Why do you suppose the American people overwhelmingly supported the invasion of Iraq? What’s frustrating is living with the consequences of policies produced with the support of people like you.
Right now the headline at HuffPo reads:
It links to the ThinkProgress article, but the link doesn’t work. (Mine does, I hope.)
I think there is more to that Hamas story than meets the eye. Hamas is very good at delivering services and feels it has an obligation to do so without the corruption of Fatah.
Hamas rejects Israel-approved snack foods for Gaza
This story has been changed since yesterday, Hamas doesn’t want potato chips and fruit cups coming from Israel. They want material to rebuild their factories that Israel has destroyed, and they want raw materials. They can produce their own junk food and fruit cups. Gazans are anemic. they don’t need junk food. Hamas doesn’t want to contribute to Israels economy on the back of palestinians.
All is forgiven, Lurk. Noone’s perfect. It was just a little shocking to see that one stand. ;-)
Thanks for a smart, reasoned, and balanced comment, which I am proud to endorse.
Thanks :-)
“Hamas is very good at delivering services and feels it has an obligation to do so without the corruption of Fatah.”
Hamas WAS very good on services – and still has less corruption. Indeed that is the reason their 44% to 42% election victory not only did not worry me but was I thought that, perhaps, it was the only thing that would end Arafat’s 20 years of acting like a Caliph with all the favoritism and corruption that tends to that form of leadership. And it did indeed do much to clean up Fatah’s approach – causing the West Bank to now have a very fast growing GDP.
BUT “Hamas doesn’t want to contribute to Israels economy on the back of palestinians.” IS BOTH TRUE – AND A STUPID POSITION TO TAKE. Trade can bring a better life – and trade with Israel is the fastest way to that better life.
Just so I’m clear… is the implication that the blockade is in significant part an effort to suppress Gazan reproduction rates, in order to forestall some future point at which the Israeli practice of Democracy — simply one vote per citizen — would become unviable as a means of legitimizing Israel’s continuing adoption and pursuit of extreme anti-Gazan policies?
The U.S. blockaded Germany and Japan during WW2, blockaded Cuba during the missile crisis and continues to embargo Cuba. Israel’s partial blockade of Gaza is mild by comparison. If Hamas had physical capability it would not only destroy Israel, it would attempt to murder all Jews worldwide, this according to its own charter.
Egypt has also blockaded Gaza. There is a very loud and telling silence about that.
Egypt is a separate country from Israel, where the Gazans — who are not coterminous with Hamas — are civilian citizens. Therein lies a world of legal difference.
“The Hamas charter calls not only for the destruction of Israel, but also for the murder of all Jews worldwide.”
Show me where it says that. As you well know, the Hamas charter quotes the Qur’an at various points, and at one point it quotes the Qur’an as saying:
“The last hour would not come until the Muslims fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them”
I’m not condoning that sentiment, which is the most controversial sentence in the Hamas charter, but it is quite different from what you say.