I’m still reasonably certain that the selection of Alvin Greene over an almost equally unknown former state legislator in the South Carolina Senate Democratic primary can be explained by a combination of factors and not a conspiracy. However, I’m becoming less and less certain about that when I read more about the raw totals in the race. Tom Schaller at 538 has been all over this angle, both here and here. The irregularities are numerous:
• Unusual turnout rates. The Vic Rawl campaign asserts that turnout ended up much higher than their expectations.
• Non-white registrant share. There seems to be no correlation between Alvin Greene’s share of the vote in white and non-white counties (although, if the two were unknown, that may stand to reason). However, at the precinct level, there may be a small correlation.
• Absentee versus Election Day ballots. This is a bigger concern. Politico reported that Vic Rawl did much better in the absentee vote, whereas Greene crushed him on Election Day. In one case, in Lancaster County, Rawl won the absentee vote 84-16, but lost the Election Day vote 58-41. Similarly massive spreads occurred all over the state. Overall, Rawl did 11 points better among absentee voters than among Election Day voters, a spread unlike any other race in the primary election.
• More ballots than voters. In lots of precincts, the total number of ballots for Greene and Rawl exceed the number of voters in that precinct. The same thing appears to be true in a few precincts on the Republican side. Sometimes bad data like this comes out on the first count, only to be smoothed over in a later canvas. But this data looks real bad.
• Benford’s Law. The Rawl campaign has released the findings of a forensic analysis on the election data, and that’s where this gets wild:
Dr. Mebane performed second-digit Benford’s law tests on the precinct returns from the Senate race. The test compares the second digit of actual precinct vote totals to a known numeric distribution of data that results from election returns collected under normal conditions. If votes are added or subtracted from a candidate’s total, possibly due to error or fraud, Mebane’s test will detect a deviation from this distribution.
Results from Mebane’s test showed that Rawl’s Election Day vote totals depart from the expected distribution at 90% confidence. In other words, the observed vote pattern for Rawl could be expected to occur only about 10% of the time by chance. “The results may reflect corrupted vote counts, but they may also reflect the way turnout in the election covaried with the geographic distribution of the candidates’ support,” Mebane said.
This at least suggests the possibility of precinct-level tampering with the vote.
Why, you may ask, would such tampering exist, when Jim DeMint is a virtual lock for re-election? Actually, Vic Rawl was polling at least within striking distance of DeMint previously, whereas Greene has pretty much no chance. And maybe a candidate as embarrassing as Greene (that pornography charge was discovered very quickly after the election, you know) would set Democrats back throughout the ticket. I actually think DeMint would have been fine against Rawl, as well, but when the numbers look this odd, you grab for an explanation.
Perhaps the easiest one involves a pure malfunction. Election blogger Brad Friedman does indicate that South Carolina uses ES&S touch-screen DRE voting machines with no paper trail. Even if the above evidence showed clear signs of fraud, I’m not sure that a recount would show anything but a mirror of the initial Election Day vote.
I think the lesson here is that, even after Bush v. Gore, after the Help America Vote Act, we still don’t have a very secure or stable voting system in many parts of this country. And you run the potential for not only fraud, but from broken machines, to change the course of an election.




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SC uses the ES+S DRE’s without any paper trail and Georgia does as well ,except they use the Diebold machines without a paper trail.
And after ES+S had bought Diebold(now renamed Premier), DOJ stepped in and forced ES+S to sell Premier as not doing so would have reduced ‘competition’ in the electronic voting machine industry.
Of course Germany and Ireland have banned such machines, the German Supreme Court saying “The principle of the public nature of elections, which results from
the fundamental decisions of constitutional law in favour of
democracy, the republic and the rule of law prescribes that all
essential steps of an election are subject to the possibility of
public scrutiny unless other constitutional interests justify an
exception. Here, the examination of the voting and of the
ascertainment of the election result attains special significance.
The use of voting machines which electronically record the voters’
votes and electronically ascertain the election result only meets
the constitutional requirements if the essential steps of the
voting and of the ascertainment of the result can be examined
reliably and without any specialist knowledge of the subject.”
But U.S. citizen’s can’t know how their votes are counted because such is a ‘trade secret’, just another example of our corporate rule.
From here
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This is really strange. SC continues to provide entertainment.
I do not understand your characterization of a former judge and former state legislator and current city councilman (iirc) as “almost equally unknown” as Alvin Greene — who appears to be completely unknown. Vic Rawl campaigned, he had at least some kind of volunteer operation, and he had run for (and won) office before.
And with regard to Jim DeMint, the publicly available polls showed Rawl within striking distance; we don’t know what private polling showed in this anti-incumbent year. SCarolinians are angry at Lindsey Graham, and missed a chance last time because there was a ringer then too. Perhaps they’d take their frustration out on DeMint, who doesn’t want to campaign at all because he needs to travel the country for teabagger candidates this fall.
I don’t have any evidence of any tampering, but there’s certainly less and less evidence of electoral integrity, wouldn’t you say? As well as plenty of reasons for funny business.
Teddy, will you be live blogging the closing arguments re Prop 8? Please excuse the OT
This is exactly the sort of outcome that drives people to get involved in changes to the laws.
Greg Palast and others have seen this pattern before, and it has led to citizen and legislative involvement towards paper ballots.
Specifically, I can describe the experience in NM which had paper ballots by 2006, after the bad experience we had with electronic only machines in 2004 that led to large numbers of disenfranchised voters in Taos and other places.
I hope people in SC will get on this. There are national organizations with legal expertise and other resources. VoterAction is one.
Teddy:
I had seen someone post of the fact that a poll a week before the primary said 90% of South Carolina residents had no opinion of Rawl because they never heard of him. Yeah, Rawl had some money but I think he was saving that for the fight against DeMint, figuring he’d have a cakewalk in the primary. Given what we know, and that DeMint wasn’t polling that well, I’ll bet someone in DeMint’s camp(or someone that supports him) is behind this.
I am glad to see you have come around a bit on this very serious issue. You might look into the elections of 2004 and 2006 and Mike Connell. He set up a “man in the middle” hacking fraud which helped steal the 2004 presidential election with Ohio. He was slated to testify when his plane crashed killing him and his family. You can find some information about him in my article on the Alvin Greene story…
plus details on the Volusa County Fl. hack that removed 16,022 votes from Al Gore’s total in 2000 and info on the investigations that proved how these hacks were possible and probable.
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/54345
Congress really ought to take up the issue of paper ballots this month.
I wonder if they could get a plea agreement on his felony if he outed who gave him the money to run??
Alvin Greene may have committed another felony.
Alvin Greene stated that he had “saved” the $10,400 for the filing fee and so it came from his own money.
Well, in South Carolina, in order to get a public defender, you have to file for indigent status. He would have to have filed some time in Dec. of 2009. But he paid the filing fee in March? of 2010?
On that form to file as an indigent it asks you about your assets doesn’t it? We know he didn’t save 10,000 in 3 months from his unemployment checks so something may be seriously wrong with his official paperwork filed with the South Carolina county clerks office.
Knowing making false statements on a court document is a felony, right?
Interesting.
Something happening that has a 10% chance is not a smoking gun.
As long as I can still breathe I’m sure South Cakalaky will provide plenty to laugh at, its politicians at the top of the list.
Lisa Derrick is upstairs!
New Orleans: Krewe of Dead Pelicans March in Protest
This seems to be a part of a larger strategy the GOP is employing. They seem to be doing the same thing here in Texas.
this kind of crazy thing happened in Indiana in the congressional race with Dan Burton. His Dem. opponent, Tim Crawford, was a republican with no experience in public office but had worked for the reps., nor had much education but was able to defeat an Indian oncologist running in his first race. Mr Crawford did a Q & A after he was elected with a Dem. group and couldn’t answer any questions about why he was a democrat but was against health reform and for tort reform and cross state health insurance selling which as we all know are reps talking points I think the GOP stragedy was to have their voters vote for him to defeat the doctor in order to keep burton in office.
I am very unconvinced by the fivethirtyeight guys. Politico, I don’t expect anything from anyhow.
Most of this seems to be explainable by one simple fact. Rawls had name ID of 19% and Greene 0%. Additionally, Rawls’ negative rating was 14% to 5% positive. And this was across all voters, apparently (going from a comment) among moderates and liberals he was even more disliked.
That means an early voting ratio for Rawls as high as 5.5:1 despite a “viewed negatively” ratio of 3:1. Depending on relative volumes, that doesn’t seem to leave an awful lot of informed election day voters who would necessarily be inclined to vote for Rawls. That pretty much puts us into the anti-Rawls voters and the uninformed (historically documented to more frequently select the first name on the list). Is Greene more attractive if you know nothing else than Rawls? I think yes.
The vote number discrepancies seem like something to be checked out (but under normal circumstances, not necessarily the red flag we’re making them out to be). But the other stuff seems pretty consistent with one candidate who is completely unknown and one who is very obscure yet quite unpopular with those who know him. I don’t see how statistically comparing this race to a “normal” race could possibly be a valid way to analyze. In the PPP poll where 82% don’t know the candidate being asked about, it might as well be Generic Dem vs. DeMint. And they didn’t poll it with Greene at all so the worst you can say is that the existence of that poll is inconclusive.
And that precinct-level race correlation shouldn’t be considered anything but noise IMO. It’s an awful weak signal with way too many variables to pin down.
Asserting the numbers highlighted by fivethirtyeight and politico *strongly* support the implications raised doesn’t seem to be a responsible conclusion to me. By all means, we need to fully review the process. But Rawls is in the position of Norm Coleman right now, he’s going to grab every straw he can. I’d love to see some statements from the actual Election Commission regarding the types and extent of voting difficulties. The burden of proof is on Rawls here not Greene.
Actually, that’s not entirely correct. Greene’s name recognition is not 0%, it is a completely unknown number almost certainly more than 0% but likely very low. It was never polled. Likewise with his positive/negatives.
I already wondered about that too. From SC Judicial Department, RULE 602 – DEFENSE OF INDIGENTS::
That would seem to be, on it’s face, no. It does take into consideration assets – but it doesn’t implicitly require depleting a person’s savings down to zero. (in ’08 HHS had poverty guidelines at $10,400). I think he’s fine on that.
Rawl was, in fact, in terms of statewide name recognition, almost as equally unknown as Alvin Greene. Furthermore, a healthy amount of those who did know him didn’t like him. This comes from the polling.
I am glad to see that information however it doesn’t answer the question. The question is about how he filed his paperwork, not whether or not he could squeak in under the radar or whether or not he could qualify.
Since he lived at the time with his father, his income would also be included in that, would it not?
Also, Alvin Greene was on unemployment at the time which would have been based on his last salary from the military (he says he was overseas in Korea just 2 years ago), that also has to be factored in.
So we need to see his application from when he filed as an indigent before we give him a pass, don’t you think?
Aside from all that, would you file as an indigent with $10,400 in the bank and an unemployment check based on 12 years in the service coming in every month?
PLUS he lived at his father’s house. What was he paying in rent? Anything? How about his bills? What was he paying for?
David
The source you reference in your article for that polling information was written on May 27th which means the actual poll was conducted sometime before that. The election was held on the 8th. Thats nearly two weeks from those dates plus we don’t know exactly when that poll was conducted.
Rawls campaign makes sure to mention that they ran a robocall and email campaign in the last weeks running up to the election and Vic himself made several appearences in public during that same time…
… while Alvin Greene did nothing.
So we know that at least Vic Rawls was doing better in that department on election day, how much better is difficult to say.
But again, you seem to be LOOKING for reasons to dismiss the mounting evidence, the statistical evidence, already presented.
According to them, there is a 90% propablity of some kind of misconduct and for me it takes a little more than a nearly 2 week old poll to discredit that.
My opinion is that some group of people who have the expertise to manipulate the DRE-S machines, and who have been so deliberately ignored by the government and media, decided to stage a demonstration.
If I were Jim Demint’s campaign, I’d be working night and day to get SC to decertify those machines and put something with a paper trail in place for November.
He also has made a false statement by not filing his Federal Election Disclosure forms. He must list at least a Treasurer and account for any contributions or expenses. He claims to have traveled around the state in his automobile but did not report that on his form, in fact he never filed a form. His opponent did file all the requisite forms in the time required by law.
The White candidate with only 4% name recognition lost to the Black candidate who is an unknown, so in a liberal’s mind, it must be voter fraud, name placement on the ballot, maybe voters thought they were voting for Al Green(the singer), or a republican plant. Liberal racism has reared it’s ugly head in the S.C. Democratic primary. Sure Alvin Greene needs to brush up on his public speaking skills, his nervousness is being mistaken for weakness. The Democratic party needs to stand beind Greene and provide the tools he needs to compete in the General Election.
Something is very suspicious about the way the voting returns were being displayed. The returns on Tuesday night showed Vic Rawl ahead for the Absentee Ballots by 80% then flipped to showing Greene ahead by 14%…with 10% of the vote counted throughout the rest of the night…no fluctuation just a straight 14%. Isn’t that kinda of odd that there would be no fluctuation in the vote comparisons.
I think you are misunderstanding the statistic.
Please account for the ten thousand dollar filing fee; I would like to know how you dismiss that.
On unemployment with only $20,000 in the bank … would I forgo a PD and spend the last of my cash on a private lawyer for what, to me, seems like a inflated charge designed to force a plea-bargain? Probably not. I think you think it is more of a process to get a PD than it is.
Not sure if his dad’s income would count or not. Not even sure his dad has income. Usually a “household” means your spouse and dependents though. I’m pretty sure once you are an adult you are considered emancipated.
It is pretty easy to track down all your questions though. The application form is online. What you can’t know is what happened in the interview – which is where they go over your answers and determination is actually made.
If you WANT to believe the guy is guilty of something, fine. But there seems to be no empirical basis to think that other than his election gives establishment democrats a big sad. This seems like a lot of people wildly speculating without bothering to research.
That said, I think it is pretty obvious he’s going to run into campaign disclosure filing problems. He clearly doesn’t know the game of politics. But considering how many professional politicians mess this up, that hardly seems like a huge issue to me.
There isn’t really mounting evidence. There is mounting speculation.
It is good to look to it with a critical eye. In America, we PROVE someone is guilty before assuming this is the case.
South Carolinians are not known for their intelligence and involvement in politics. In fact, this is the nature of the entire south, which explains the even greater income disparities in that region as a whole vs. the rest of the country.
Lets face it, elections, in many areas of the country can be hacked and stolen if need be in a massive scale when these type of machines are in place. We do not have a trustworthy of verifiable voting system, we do not have a working Democracy.