I think people have been eager bystanders to the Alvin Greene train wreck, forwarding along the cringe-worthy interviews and quotes, without recognizing the real import of his victory in South Carolina. After all, California’s statewide Republican primary for insurance commissioner could yield a similarly strange result, with a candidate who spent less money than Greene in a state five times the size currently leading the former minority leader of the California Assembly, and there’s hardly the same outcry. Two major differences between the Brian FitzGerald and Alvin Greene (aside from the racial aspect, which is probably driving some of the coverage) – there’s a plausible reason for a protest vote against Villines among the state GOP (he voted for tax increases; end of story), and the South Carolina elections, unlike California’s, are completely unverifiable.
That’s the real story here. It’s possible that enough protest voters intentionally voted for Greene to send a message about their distaste for establishment candidates. But the point is that we don’t know. We’ll never know. Because there’s basically no real-world record of that South Carolina Democratic primary. It all exists inside the machines.
At last week’s hearing, (losing candidate Vic) Rawl trotted out a parade of forensic, academic and computer experts who pointed to security, software and statistical irregularities.
Election protection advocates have seized on the inexplicable primary outcome as evidence of why such machines should have a voter-verifiable paper trail. South Carolina is now one of just a handful of states that offer paperless machines as voters’ only option.
States all over the country embraced touch-screen machines after the Help America Vote Act freed up federal money for them in 2002. But voters lost confidence in the machines after experts challenged their security and reliability, and now a full 33 states give every voter some form of paper record to review.
“There is no state more representative of the need for a verifiable standard for nationwide systems than South Carolina,” said Sean Flaherty, a policy analyst for the California-based advocacy group Verified Voting.
You would think that the Democratic Party in the state, if they were thinking just strategically, would have turned over the Greene nomination and honored the request of Vic Rawl. But they overwhelmingly voted down the protest, because it would have essentially caused an uproar in the state. The fact that the ES&S machinery is completely unverifiable, that there’s no way to “confirm or disconfirm the apparent outcome of an election,” as Flaherty says in the article, represents a crisis for democracy. And it’s a shame that Rawl ended his protest so quietly, but perhaps in the back of his head he didn’t want to stir up this hornet’s nest, either.
It’s positive that activists want to preserve the memory cards from the election, but inevitably these will give some version of the same result that we saw on Election Day. That has nothing to do with whether or not that result was correct. A better use of activist time would be to demand a voter-verified paper trail for all South Carolina elections. But with the state in a deep recession, that’s probably not happening for a while either, due to the cost.
We just shouldn’t live with this. Outcry about election protection has yielded some results across the country, but not yet in South Carolina. It’s not that Greene was a plant or that voters divined his race or that a series of odd coincidences led to his victory – it’s that there’s no way to know for sure. And that’s a serious problem.



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Nice job here David and thank you for publishing this. This further certifies that Firedoglake is becoming the Anti-Kos. This kind of talk is the kind of thing that can get you banned over there. I noticed their frontpagers didn’t touch it with a ten foot pole. I’ve always thought that one of the compelling reasons for thinking that Markos took that CIA job is that he won’t do any reporting on the election fraud issue or even acknowledge it as a possible issue that Democrats should look into. As writers have pointed out the CIA specializes in stolen elections. You just have to imagine that they’ve taken these same techniques home. I sure have.
It’s also compelling evidence that the Democrats are a bought off party, to the point of being Washington Generals
http://blog.radioleft.com/blog/_archives/2004/12/23/213843.html
bought off where they don’t mind that much if they lose. Of course, those rich lobbyist positions usually give you good healthcare…
What you would do, if you were a real opposition party, is nullify those results and file suit to immediately impound those machines. Its not unlike Joran Van de Sloot guy declaring that his DNA is off limits and the Peruvian government agreeing with him and then saying there’s no proof of the murder and then releasing him. That’s kind of what the South Carolina democratic party just did.
You would also suspect, quite rightly, that the Peruvian govt had been bought off. Just for the record, there was a computer forensics guy who wanted to take a look at the machines. He was denied and he also noticed that there seemed to be an internet connection on the voting machine. Big red herrings that a real opposition party should have noticed.
Philip Shropshire
The 5/25 Plan
I’m not saying that it was stolen or it’s not stolen. I’m saying it’s a problem that we will never know.
Exactly. And there’s no way to know.
David Dayen said:
Actually that would be a waste of time and would make things worse.
You mean well, I know, but please be aware that when you tout “voter verified paper trails” as a solution you are actually, albeit I believe unknowingly, parroting a corporate talking point.
That’s right… they don’t work.
Well, they work to give the voter a meaningless sense of security but other than that these “VVPATs” (voter verified paper audit trails) can not and do not provide verifiable election results.
The bad news is that these VVPATs were the response of the corporations when people began realizing some of the inherent dangers of solely-electronic DRE machines and election reform activists seized on the VVPATs as an acceptable fix… and then the computer scientists reported back that the VVPATs were as easily subverted as the DRE machines themselves.
That’s the problem with rushing to a technical solution without investigating the possibilities in detail… which has been the story all along with electronic voting.
You can (and should) check Brad Blog for the extensive technical details, but here’s the short version of why this is so:
VVPATs are essentially printers bolted on to the DRE machines and it’s the DRE that tells the printer what to print…
… while the DRE is free to count and tabulate something entirely different.
Hacks can be very subtle, and can even withstand percentage audits while still giving the desired results…
… that is, the results desired by whoever last touched the DRE.
Just thought you should know.
Typo…
… should read:
It just goes to show that most voters have no idea of who they are voting for, and could be why our Country is doomed, because any boob who runs might get elected, and the idiots we have in their will keep their jobs.