Jane has already taken aim at the right-wing triumph of ignorance around Alex Lawson’s challenge to Alan Simpson of the cat food commission. But I think there’s just as big a story here: the distancing by even elite commentators of Simpson’s remarks. You just wouldn’t expect to see this coming from Pete Peterson’s Fiscal Times:
…at 78, the irascible Simpson is also known for pithy and colorful language, which was on vivid display last week in a video interview with a representative of Social Security Works, a liberal group opposed to cuts in benefits. Simpson was also condescending and derisive–and wildly wrong about important parts of the Social Security system’s past.
Most of all, he gave no hint that he understood that, for the commission’s proposals to be adopted, advocacy groups will have to be persuaded that the package is necessary and fair–whether the groups’ concerns are about entitlements, taxes or other issues. In short, what Simpson did was to undermine the already slim chances of politicians agreeing on a way to put the government on a sustainable long-term budget policy path.
John Berry says that like it’s a bad thing.
I feel like Lawson’s effort has woken some people up. Simpson is dead serious about cutting Social Security, and impervious to reason. He’s content to peddle B.S. and bully through his critics and get his prized New Deal rollback across the finish line. I think some of the establishment saw this deficit commission as a novelty before. No longer. Here’s Paul Krugman:
On Social Security, Simpson is repeating a zombie lie — that is, one of those misstatements that keeps being debunked, but keeps coming back.
Specifically, Simpson has resurrected the old nonsense about how Social Security will be bankrupt as soon as payroll tax revenues fall short of benefit payments, never mind the quarter century of surpluses that came first.
But here’s what you can’t do: you can’t have it both ways. You can’t say that for the last 25 years, when Social Security ran surpluses, well, that didn’t mean anything, because it’s just part of the federal government — but when payroll taxes fall short of benefits, even though there’s lots of money in the trust fund, Social Security is broke [...]
So what does it mean that the co-chair of the commission is resurrecting this zombie lie? It means that at even the most basic level of discussion, either (a) he isn’t willing to deal in good faith or (b) the zombies have eaten his brain. And in either case, there’s no point going on with this farce.
Despite the bare-bones nature of Nancy Altman’s Social Security Works, there’s still a residual understanding of the importance of retirement security to the Democratic project of governance. A lot of people are going to take Simpson’s rant to heart now, picking it apart for its obvious flaws. Similarly, more will take Social Security Works more seriously now, as virtually the only group trying to put a spotlight on this commission. And so we should read the Fiscal Times’ disappointed essay as one of sorrow, that the rubes have caught on to the plan. The elites are depressed that those darn progressives might ruin their grand fantasy of shattering the social safety net.
And they would have gotten away with it if it weren’t for that meddling kid with a camera.
UPDATE: MoveOn just really escalated, by calling on Simpson to resign in an email to supporters.
I’ll bet you know a lot of good people who depend on their Social Security check. Hard-working folks who have contributed their whole lives and now need those checks. Like my grandparents. Or your grandparents. Or your parents. Or you.
Well, former Republican Senator Alan Simpson was just caught on camera calling them “lesser people.”
That kind of condescending disrespect would be infuriating coming from anyone, but Senator Simpson isn’t just anyone. He’s a co-chair of the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility, which is charged with finding ways to cut the deficit.
And Simpson is joining with the other right-wing ideologues on the “deficit commission” to find a way to cut Social Security for those “lesser people”—even though Social Security hasn’t caused the deficit.
Someone with Senator Simpson’s disdainful attitude and ideological commitment to cutting Social Security has no business serving in this powerful position. This video shows it’s time for him to resign.
Can you check out the video, join our call for Simpson to resign, and then pass on the video to your friends?
This means that lots more people will see the Simpson video.




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“undermine the already slim chances of politicians agreeing on a way to put the government on a sustainable long-term budget policy path.” ; one can only hope.
And if I ever meet Alex, he’s got dinner and drinks on me.
I hope another of Rahm Obama’s plans have gone awry. President’s, and especially Obama, use commissions to procrastinate, derail, obfuscate or as a fait accompli. If fait accompli, it must be enacted because the commission, not me, the Prez, finds it must happen since they are the fount of knowledge.
Color me paranoid, but is Fiscal Times running this story simply to lull the opposition into a false sense of complacency?
Just askin’.
It sounds like the commission is imploding. Fiscal Times admits Simpson, the co-chair, is senile. Andy Stern is being put forward as Bridge-Builder in Chief. The whole thing sounds pre-ordained to failure.
Which is just fine by me.
Yeah, Simpson is a hateful POS. But that should be his family’s problem, not ours. Obama is the problem. Simpson is just doing what the president wants him to do.
It’s pre-ordained to succeed, like Obama’s health care deal that was done months in advance, behind the scenes and under the table. Remember, Obama does not care what we think. The attitude of his administration has been “We’re not thanking you for the vote, we deserved it, now shut up and get out of the way, we have rich people to please”.
Like a military squad of sappers, or like a wrecking crew, Team Obama has four years to get in, do their destruction for their masters, and get out.
Great analysis David. Thanks.
You know Cheney was a fucked up psychopath for years spewing out hate filled lies. He still gets treated like an elder statesman. So Alan Simpson may be down for a day but I am far from sure he is out for the count. I mean Obama chose him, knowing he was an entitlement slashing loon. That was, in fact, why he was chosen. Remember too that the Executive Order creating the cat food commission was signed on the very day Coakley lost in Massachusetts. That should have been a wake up call that the base was angry and willing to stay home, but it had no effect on Obama going forward with this wildly unpopular scheme. The Simpson video may be going viral but as far as I know the MSM has not latched on to it. That is usually a pretty good indicator of which way the winds of the Conventional Wisdom are blowing.
I have no doubt that Obama employed Simpson for just this purpose but hold some optimism that now that so many have seen how he operated in the HCR betrayal can head this off.
I voted for Obama because, after eight years of Cheneyco hard right Republican ideology, I thought I would like for more asshole Republicans like Alan Simpson to carjack my Social Security.
Because I love bipartisanship for bipartisanship’s sake. GoBama Go! /S
Gotta love it.
Kudos to MoveOn. They needed to get on the left side of something.
It’s a turning point, yep, but we still have to take on the Pete Peterson machine.
He, among others, are sponsoring fake townhalls next Saturday at a community near you.
I just got off duty from work, and will try to get an action diary up at the Seminal shortly.
I am going to the one in West Sacramento on June 26th! Anyone else want to go?
Evereybody’s badmouthing the liberals and progressives these days. I laughed at Jonathan Alter earlier on The Ed Show when he said that we liberals who are disappointed in the Democrats in Congress and Obama need to “just suck it up” and vote for Democrats in the Fall. Yeah, statements like that sure make me wanna cooperate.
Give ‘em hell.
Senator! – I lost that link where you pointed me to some graphics. You mind to paste it here? I’m flat out running out of time this week to make any.
Could you open those files flat? :-)
I got somethin’ he can…
Yup, Alan Simpson done blowed up the Cat Food Commission good. REAL good.
I thought that would be a very common reaction Dragon.
You didn’t just go there, SD, didja…? ;-)
:) not the .wps – I don’t have Works.
Go to MoveOn? No. Read (as in red) the update.
I am going to have to find it. Will send it later.
Try the one I just sent Kelly. :-)
“And they would have gotten away with it if it weren’t for that meddling kid with a camera.”
Well, I certainly hope you haven’t already popped the champagne. I agree, Simpson blew it, but these guys, Obama included, are not just going to give up that easy.
The mods don’t have enough on their plate…? ;-)
perfect!
Oh, we know, but it’s nice to see the bullshit opened for all to see. Edumacation.
WooHoo! And what did you think of that letter? I had thought that would do me a world of good but not so far.
Exactly. They took a hard hit, and it was inflicted by one of their own. And it’s your job now, dear readers, to spread the word and pass this video on to friends and family.
No doubt Alan Simpson’s melt down will be further evidence of Obama’s shrewd game of eleventy seven dimensional chess….
Toby Wollin is upstairs!
Late Night: Can’t Beet It!
Resign? Obama should abolish his idiotic Deficit Commission and start leading!
I don’t want my future security destroyed by a bunch liberal-hating ideologues!
The fact that a Democratic president is making this happen absolutely sickens me!
Arrrrrrrrghh!
Rahm and Obama are probably furious at Simpson for, essentially, revealing the committee’s (and Rahm/Obama) contempt for Social Security itself, and derailing their plans for privatization. It makes the road for privatization more difficult, if not impossible.
They’ve discovered an oxhide shield won’t stop a shaft from a longbow.
By the way, here are a few myths about Social Security that you will encounter in the Catfood Commission’s propaganda. The biggest one: That the aging population is going to send SS into the toilet. Here’s the corrective:
Insofar as corporations are non-living, undead things horrible to behold, I’m gonna have to go with “Zombies ate Simpson’s brain”.
It’s a damn good one!
Thing is, if we push hard enough, we can force them to actually pretend they’re Democrats for a change. Kinda like what happened when we got the student loan reform through when they realized that they needed to give the base something after the monumental screwjob that was the Baucus-WellPoint HCR bill.
You are correct, Alan Simpson made a huge mistake here!
Alan Simpson did not get the memo, that reads, once OBAMA destroys the democratic house of representatives, which will help him shut up progressives, Obama will tell the ignorant masses he has no choice but to work with the republicans and cut social security.
Obama will then act like a progressive and say vote for me in 2012, so I can save social security, knowing that he is going to kill social security.
Alan Simpson is a dinosaur, Alan Simpson thought no one would hear or see his speech about cutting social security,because he has no clue about the new wheel in politics the BLOGS.
Or an RPG…
Remember, Simpson comes by his noblesse oblige honestly: He’s the spoiled-brat son of a former governor and senator, not the hard-bitten self-made man he’s implied to be. And his own son, Colin, is the Republican Speaker of the Wyoming House.
Obama is not a Democrat he is a Trojan Horse and always has been a Trojan Horse.
All progressive must ask one simple question what was the most important issue when Obama got elected? JOBS, JOBS, JOBS,
A low educated person who wanted to stay popular as president would have focus all his or her energy on JOBS, and probably would get re-elected in 2012 with little effort.
Obama done the direct opposite, he bailed out wall street, bailed out health insurance companies, increase military spending, etc.
Obama is the ANTI FDR, he is Reagan or worse maybe Bush 2
Guess what? JOBS are still the only issue in the USA
It reminds me of what happened to Michael Steele when he dared admit that, contrary to Republican mythology that the Southern Strategy was only used by Richard Nixon, it in fact has been a key part (if not THE key part) of Republican strategy for the past forty years.
Third Way “New Democrats” like the Clintons and Obama went for the corporatist spiel because that’s where the money is — and they need money to run TV ads and win elections.
This is why reducing the role of money in elections is important.
Keep pushin them. Don’t let up. Because if the left shuts up and goes off into their little corner hoping for a crumb, they won’t even get that crumb. Obama/Rahm will give it all to Wall Street.
Along with the link to the video I sent my congressfolk and the Pres this note:
Please make sure all policies are grounded in fact. The Fiscal Commission apparently is operating under other assumptions.
“U.S. Statistics
President: Franklin D Roosevelt
Vice President: Harry S Truman
Population: 139,928,165
Life expectancy: 65.9 years
Homicide Rate (per 100,000): 5.7″, http://www.infoplease.com/year/1945.html
Going to this page: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005140.html lets us see what life expectancy at different ages would be from the years 1850-2004. Apparently, those at age 60 could expect to live 15 years or so according to the data for 1929-31.
I’m bringing this to your attention because I watched a video at firedoglake.com today where the reporter, Alex Lawson, was attempting to ask Alan Simpson about the possible cuts to Social Security and Medicare that the “Fiscal Commission” (aka Catfood Commission) was discussing behind closed doors.
Mr Simpson spouted many egregious and false reasons for the alleged need to cut or “fix” or alter Social Security. One statement caught my attention as he asserted that at the time of the creation of Social Security, life expectancy was only 57 years. “No one could have predicted…” he went on to claim, that people would actually live to collect their Social Security!
Fire this jerk! He has no business sitting on any serious commissions for this administration. The man is a deceitful and disdainful fool.
Yep. I’ve been aware of what’s going on around me long enough to watch Texas turn Republican but it’s not nearly as deep red as most people imagine it to be, even in the height of the Bush years. The Republicans are masters at plying on peoples’ prejudices and fears. If that isn’t terrorism, then I don’t understand the definition of the word.
Obama, Rahm, David Axelrod, Robert Gibbs, Valerie Jarett, all know the Alan Simpson video can end their careers quickly.
New Flash, Politicians don’t love each other, some want to be president.
If a small part of the USA believes that Obama wants to cut Social Security, the most active, and ruthless voting block in the USA OLD PEOPLE will run OBAMA out of DC.
The ALAN SIMPSON video gives OBAMA enemies a way to attack him silently, a whisper campaign saying OBAMA is trying to cut social security will end his career quickly. (Look for Democrats who want to be president to push this topic in a indirect manner)
Obama and Rahm strategy to attack progressives, Unions, etc. will back fire BIG TIME, if the Old People find out he is plotting to cut their Social Security. (can you say lonely?)
Obama and Rahm both know they are sitting in the middle of a busy street and they can be run over by the left or right at any time.
People think the BP oil Spill is Big, Alan Simpson SPILL may be bigger and more destructive for this White House and Congress.
Maybe. Or maybe Simpson will (unbeknownst to him) function as a lightning rod to draw the fire away from Obama. Guess we’ll see shortly.
Nancy Altman is a hero of mine. I know her a little bit because she is the chair of the board for the Pension Rights Center, a wonderful organization that I am worked for a few years back.
She also wrote a must-read on Social Security: The Battle for Social Security. Amazingly pleasurable to read.
And I highly recommend the newsletter from Nancy’s organization: Social Security Works. Join their mailing list.
Hmmmm, the quickest way to end a political career is to mention or discuss cutting social security.
Alan Simpson was not suppose to talk.
Obama is no genius, he is a con artist, the con only works when people can’t see it or hear it coming , Alan SImpson is on VIDEO tape telling everybody the con.
Here is how Monica Lewinsky saved Social Security from being destroyed by the Democrats (in cooperation with the Republicans):
The Stealth Attack on America’s Best-Loved Program
http://www.newdeal20.org/2010/06/18/the-stealth-attack-on-america%E2%80%99s-best-loved-program-12715/
Exactly right. If Obama succeeds in eviscerating Social Security before the 2012 election, he will have done what he was put in place to do (along with extending and worsening the diktats issued by Bush) and “they” will no longer need his Democraticness or his complexion to further fuck over the rest of us.
dear friend, Obama is a Democrat, what he is doing epitomizes what Democrats do when in power. It has long been known as the Ratchet Effect:
Simpson was picked as hatchet man by the Democratic President, Barack Obama. Directing betrayed progressive ire at the minions is misdirection away from the Boss who is setting the plan in motion.
but then, most firepups didn’t vote for Sinpson, did they? so much easier to bash that piñata.
Masterful job of cross-examination by Alex Lawson. He absolutely gutted Simpson, the dead man talking, exposing Simpson’s smug, rotting, and baseless sense of superiority. Born into a life of wealth and privilege, Simpson views hard working men and women with scorn and contempt. They are life’s losers, AKA the “little people,” who deserve to lose again and again and again. And he, the Great Exalted One, is going to kick them in the groin again and again because they are stupid and they deserve to lose everything they worked for and spend their declining years homeless and starving.
The hell of it is that the Exalted One walked away from Alex Lawson with a smirk on his face thinking he’d shown him a thing or two and probably still doesn’t realize that Alex gutted him.
Way to go, Alex!
Where is the AARP in all this? Notably silent, by my reckoning. Actually, Alan Simpson scared the beejesus out of the AARP years ago and I’ll bet they won’t tangle with him, again. Alan threatened AARP’s tax exempt status, quite rightly, and they backed away. Carrying their cash with them, of course. This is just the sort of back alley mugging AARP should jump into, but profits must be protected.
BTW, I hope everyone now realizes that Obama has no redeeming qualities whatsoever.
Simpson uses a very effective method of propaganda, the selective truth. Many of the issues he cites do exist, but he never includes everything that is pertinent. Life expectancy for example has gone up over the life of the SS program. That increase came as a steady trend and has long been used as a reason to adjust the program. Every change to the system has cited this change in demographics as justification and further claimed that the fix reconciled this problem. Once accepted as a legitimate problem requiring significant changes to correct this issue was turned into a bogeyman to scare people into even more revisions without renewed scrutiny.
Simpson’s issue of the problem of cashing in the Trust Fund Bonds is also valid. But it is a problem that can be addressed and can be solved. The real problem is that the only ready source of money is now almost entirely in the hands of 1% of the country. If the “small people” still had any resources Simpson would call for higher taxes on the workers. Simpson knows that the solution is taxing those with resources the “LARGE People” but he never opens that door, he pretends that choice doesn’t even exist.
Alex Lawson did a great service to this country.
There were already some rumblings against Social Security by prominent Democrats (James Clyburn and Dick Durbin for instance). Clyburn said “we’re going to need to look at Social Security” and Durbin said liberals should “suck it up and look at Social Security cuts”. They were, no doubt, sent out by Obama and Rahm to test the waters for
reforminggutting social security. Now Simpson’s rant (and probably Obama’s good friend) has let the horses out of the stable. Simpson probably thought it was a done deal, and f*** this upstart for daring to question him.Now Obama’s plans are screwed.
I just turned 50 and looked into AARP. It seems to be regarded far and wide as nothing more than an insurance scam these days.
Maybe. The oil spill is a problem for the scheme, are all those southern state’s congresscum going to cut what their state economies receive from the federal government when they have nothing else? Florida?
Maybe they will.
AARP is a front for forces with goals detrimental to the interests of average retired people. Their legislative agenda is obscenely like that of The Chamber of Commerce. They trick retirees with discount cards and shoddy insurance programs which are more profitable for the insurance companies than the standard policies. The dues paying members have no control only the illusion that they have someone looking out for their interests.
Worse than I thought. Thanks! Linkie?
Absolutely agree. Also thanks to Jane, David and lots of bloggers at FDL who are doing a great job covering this.
Social Security is not only the right thing ethically and morally but also was the single pillar which did not let the economic collapse we saw recently becoming much worse because of our senior citizens providing the much needed demand in our local markets during this time.
In my opinion it will not be the Republicans who will touch it as much as they grumble and complain about it. If they touch it it will be end of that party. It is Democrats I am worried about. From past blogging comments only way they can gradually dis-mantle it is by railing against the rich and converting the social security to social welfare. Then once this critical tweak is in they will let Republicans slowly decrease the net worth limits till it is totally dis-mantled.
Best thing considering current state of congress is just leave things as it is.
If really want to improve social security and make economy better just make the intake balanced by totally removing the income caps and keeping the obviously lower interest rates floating to that of payouts in that year. This will make our country even better morally and improve our local market economies.
Yes, but. AARP’s driver training course, which isn’t bad, really, will get you a multi-year discount with your auto insurance company. Three years, I think. You don’t have to be a member to attend and the cost is trivial. Their website has some pretty good stuff about SS benefits, that kind of thing, but AARP is not an advocacy group, anymore. Use what you can, don’t expect the cavalry to ride up guns blazing.
I don’t belong but I go there for some kinds of information.
Yes, Senator Simpson should resign, but Simpson is a known quantity and he’s no longer an elected official. The person who needs to leave office is the elected official who appointed Simpson and that person, if I understand correctly, is President Barack Obama.
Alan Simpson, on a former Senator’s retirement pension AND eligible for Social Security as well, and at the age of 78 himself, won’t ever have to deal with the crap he’s trying to push on the rest of us.
It’s no skin off his liver-spotted nose if other senior citizens end up living in cardboard boxes — he got his due.
Family money. Knock me over with a feather…
A problem is that the 2.5+ Trillion trust fund collected after tax has been spent on not just good things but some bad things, take your pick. That money spent seems to have ended up as posted above in only 1 percent of the population. Now will Congress get that money back or will Congress cut benefits. Go for it.
In a related note, the defined benefit plan changed for Federal workers hired after 1984, and was reduced to number of years worked times 1.1 percent of average high 3 year pay.
The 14 million state and local government workers probably have a better pension in a lot of places.
Just like private corporations phased out the defined benefit plans years ago, people like the NJ governor are now talking about halting any increase in defined benefits beyond what has already been earned. There are studies showing Calif is underfunded by 500 Billion, with a US 5 Trillion shortfall in total. Heads up.
I swear, Alan Simpson reminds me of that grouchy old man on The Simpsons. Did the writers of The Simpsons name it after Alan?
Yeah, the commission is stacked with Pete Peterson’s buddies and allies, but it’s possible there aren’t 14 of them, which is the number needed to agree on something to make it a non-binding recommendation. It makes me wonder if maybe Obama is playing 11-dimensional chess after all. He appointed all these deficit hawks because he was confident they’d show what idiots they are and discredit the whole awful policy. I still think he’s actually committed to cutting Social Security and Medicare and is looking for ways to get other people to do the heavy lifting.
OK, so you’re saying the bonds issued by the government agencies that used the surplus finds (what Simpson calls IOU’s) don’t mean anything. Simpson seems to be saying that if we rely on them to actually redeem their bonds they won’t be able to do it? That’s called a default. Does he really feel OK that the U.S. government is, according to him, going to default on some of its bonds? Which were issued against “the full faith and credit of the United States government?”
The life expectancy numbers quoted by Simpson were 57 in he 30s and 77 or so today.
If you ave two people in the population and one lives to 80 and the other dies at 3 months old, the life expectancy of the group is 40. However, the life expectancy of a 20-year old in that group is close to 80.
Many children died in the 30s at very young ages, lowering life expectancy overall.
However, for adults (those in S.S.) the difference is about 6 years from then until now. So you could expect to live slightly longer today, but not the 20 years spouted by Simpson.
The reason for longer lifeexpectancy at 20 has much to do with the number of americans who no longer work in factories, mines, etc. Many are also kept alive but in dementia.
The S.S. age was tied directly to the retirment age. That was changed and it is now at 67, or two years after retirement and two years later than any country in Europe, even AFTER the austerity measures there. In some countries women begin full benefits at 60.
How do we justify an elderly population with no jobs available and new rules to make them wait until they are older before they receive an S.S. payment that ranks 25th in the world versus percentage of wages?
The trick is to tun a blind eye, just as we ignore the tragedy of nursing home care, where entire families go bankrupt to pay for a service that is free in civilized nations.
I agree with your analysis.
However, Obama talk like a progressive to get to the white house, he did not tell america the following
I hate the public option
I hate social security
I love war
I hate unions
I hate drug importation
you can’t ignore the lies Obama told to get to the White House.
What your analysis does not mention is the 4th wheel of politics, “THE Corporate MEDIA” The Corporate Media keeps things moving to the right, politicians come and go, “the corporate media makes it possible for deceptive politicians like Obama to survive and deceive.
(The elites learn a lot in 1960s, to control the masses of the USA we must control the information they receive, they brought up the MEDIA)
The Corporate Media and their over lords the Chamber of Commerce controls the USA.(Now they have a huge problem, you can’t control a jobless USA, people without Jobs don’t dream about the good ole days much, they are to worried about being homeless, you don’t find conservatives in an un-employment line)
That’s it. It’s settled. Cut defense by 15%, get out of Iraq and Afghanistan and quit trying to start something with Iran. Let the Bush tax cuts expire and then add on with an increase in the capital gains tax, a hike in the top marginal tax rate to 60% and count ALL income as, you know, INCOME.
Leave SS alone, target medical costs specifically rather than amorphously and rhetorically, add a public option, terminate ALL private security contracts, and create a Tobin Tax on all stock trades and Forex trades.
It depends on what you call “cuts”. If what you mean is a minor increase in age before you can start collecting to fit better with today’s longer life expectancy, then I can go along with that…so long as it is accompanied by THE best “fix” for SS: eliminating the income cap on SS taxes. That alone “fixes” SS forever and ever amen.
Simpson? Throw that old shit out with his diapers.
And list all business as business — includeing churches & temples or any other scam that squeezes money from it’s sycophants.
Always happy to be a strawman. What I mean about the very meaningful trust funds is that either Congress raises taxes to pay for those trust funds and the interest on them, or indeed Congress finesses the “default” by cutting benefits. What the US is doing today, issuing 1.5 Trillion in debt yearly for the last two fiscal years is not predicted to continue.
Even if we zero defense, farm subsidies, TARP, etc etc, the budget does not balance with current wage income and corporate profits.