While we gather in anticipation outside the White House door, putting up an ear to the Oval Office, straining to hear any bits and pieces of the conversation, trying to make out whether Stanley McChrystal said “I’ve compromised the mission” again, it’s worth considering just what that mission is. And while the chatterers and courtiers run their personality-driven readouts of this whole Rolling Stone blowup, I’m encouraged by the number of reports – mostly confined to the blogosphere – about the actual war effort, and the futility thereof.
In a just world, everyone in media-dom would be talking about this story from the Financial Times. Richard Holbrooke and Karl Eikenberry, the top US diplomats in Afghanistan, went to Marja to check the status of the counter-insurgency effort. They heard consistent small arms fire throughout their meetings, and as they left, a bomb went off, apparently earmarked for them.
This is the state of the heralded COIN strategy. The occupying forces cannot hold a small village. 69 NATO troops have died this month. We have to pay the Taliban not to disrupt our supply lines (by the way, prior to the Congressional investigation on this, didn’t The Nation have this story way back in November?). Maybe the Rolling Stone article reflects these frustrations, but then, we should discuss the source of them, not the comments. Here’s Juan Cole:
Obama needs to define an attainable goal in Afghanistan and then execute it swiftly. As it is, when he is pressed about what in the world we are doing there, he retreats into Bushisms: “So I want the American people to understand that we have a clear and focused goal: to disrupt, dismantle and defeat al Qaeda in Pakistan and Afghanistan, and to prevent their return to either country in the future. That’s the goal that must be achieved.”
Well that isn’t a good enough reason to be in Afghanistan. There is no al-Qaeda to speak of in Afghanistan. And although insurgents and Taliban probably control about 20 percent of the country, they have not let al-Qaeda set up shop in their territory. If they don’t now, when they obviously need all the help they can get, why would they in the future? One major guerrilla leader, Gulbadin Hikmatyar, went from expressing willingness to fight under the banner of al-Qaeda to roundly condemning the radical Arab group for having gotten the Taliban overthrown [...]
In short, we have no idea why US troops are being sent to Afghanistan at such an accelerating rate. It isn’t to fight al-Qaeda. And if it is mainly a matter of fighting the Taliban, why should we do that? They are not going to go away, and their brand of Muslim fundamentalism is by now woven deeply into the fabric of rural Pashtun life, such that for foreign Christian troops to argue the Pashtuns out of it at the point of a gun is a fool’s errand [...] In short, Karzai appears to be attempting to strike a deal with the very Taliban and insurgents that Obama says he is pledged to uproot and destroy.
Whether today is the last day of Stanley McChrystal’s command or not, the strategy in Afghanistan is unlikely to change. Certainly the White House has not signaled that whatsoever. The charitable explanation is that Obama is carrying out a political strategy to not be the President to lose a war, but that lets a candidate which promised this escalation in his campaign get away too easy. He can come out of today’s meeting convinced to do something new, or not. Whether McChrystal stays or leaves is besides the point.
UPDATE: A not-terrible column from Thomas Friedman says some similar things. So does Peter Beinart. I had trouble writing this paragraph.





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A good case has been made that the president should fire McChrystal. While I might be inclined to agree, my problem is that so many are making that argument by referencing Harry Truman’s firing of Douglas MacArthur in 1951.
The two cases aren’t even close.
In 1951 at the height of the Korean War, MacArthur was advocating to the press – against the wishes of his commander-in-chef – extending the conflict by invading China. Had that happened it may have started World War III. Had the General had his way in 1951, we’d STILL be fighting in Korea.
Old Harry made a wise and courageous decision and hindsight has shown, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that he did the right thing.
Stanley McChrystal may be many things – Doug MacArthur he ain’t.
http://www.tomdegan.blogspot.com
Tom Degan
Telegraph had this up last night
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/7848126/General-Stanley-McChrystal-offers-resignation-to-President-Barack-Obama.html
that was Juan Cole’s focus this morning. Obama’s plan in Afghanistan
http://www.juancole.com/
McChrystal Drama is Sideshow;
Can Obama define a realistic Goal?
what a crazy ass situation. A country and people that have been suffering a long time from ongoing wars. Orchards destroyed by the Russians, a growing heroin problem amongst the population, a leader of the country who is involved in some capacity with that drug trade, Taliban control and convoluted agendas, heroin use outside that country determining the demand. What fucking mess.
How can the people of Afghanistan be helped within that crazy ass, poppy growing and dependent situation? Who would have wanted to be in McChrystal’s shoes? You would have to be crazy.
I keep hearing Colonel McGregor on the Diane Rehm show about Afghanistan. He actually seems to make sense.
O/T but USA just beat Algeria to go on to the next round….. Unfuckingbelivable!!!
Actually more important than a strategy reset is a definition of an Afghanistan policy. Policy always precedes strategy which precedes tactics. That is the way the world works. In the absence of a definable Afghan policy, no strategy will work.
It is impossible to say if Obama will fire McChrystal. He always could fire him, but the odds are against it. Obama is hyper-status quo. McChrystal offering his resignation and then Obama not accepting it is kabuki, but it is the kind of kabuki this Administration and President tend to go for. Obama accepting McChrystal’s resignation would be news because even if Obama wished to convey that the “strategy” would go on, removing McChrystal would put our whole approach to Afghanistan back into question. It took Obama 9 months to come up with the surge. I am not sure he would want to revisit that process.
So while I think it is possible that Obama might fire McChrystal, the pragmatist in me is betting on kabuki.
Ike ended the war in Korea and was honored for doing that. Only the very, very wingnuts of the time, john birch society, saw Ike ask comsymp pinko.
al qaeda is destroyed in Afghanistan, so when did the enemy change. What is it obamarahma wants: cia in the drug trade? US companies guaranteed control of the “newly” discovered minerals? More war to guarantee the MIC partial control of the economy along with banksters, big oil, big pharma, and big insurance?
Pardon me for a small technical point. The John Birch Society was not founded until 1958.
Jane has a fresh cross-post already in progress: So Kendrick Meek is Suddenly Pro-Choice?
I seldom agree with Hugh, but we agree on this.
I’m sorry about the date. I was just trying to show that it was only the extremely wingnut people who considered Ike in a bad light. There were certainly other reasons for the hatred of him, but, by far, most people were happy that he ended the war.
This is what Truman said about MacArthur:
“I fired him because he wouldn’t respect the authority of the President. I didn’t fire him because he was a dumb son of a bitch, although he was, but that’s not against the law for generals. If it was, half to three-quarters of them would be in jail.”
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,908217,00.html
Why, oh why can’t our president get enough backbone to say that Nails-For-Breakfast, Tacks-For-Snacks McChrystal is a dumb son of bitch, too. If we were fortunate enough to have this happen, we would finally have the pleasure of seeing the peace doves overtake the war hawks as the rulers of the rooster in Washington!
I think most of us can agree that Afghanistan is an unbelievable mess, despite make-nice articles that get printed once in a while about something “good” going on there.
OTOH, I hate just to leave bc I fear that Afghani women and kids will really suffer under the Taliban who are almost sure to rush in to fill the void. It will not be pretty at all for them.
OTOH, this nation has poured countless $$$$ down the giant sucking drain of these 2 wars, and USA women and kids are now getting the shaft, too.
What to do?
I often agree with Hugh and agree with him here.
My heart breaks for the suffering in Afghanistan, most of which over the past 30 years or so can be laid at our feet. Their blood is on our hands. We screwed up royally (per usual) after Charlie Wilson’s war by sashaying out of there when the Soviets left… that left the vacuum then for the Taliaban (whom we’d been arming) to take over.
And so: on it goes….
Asking why Obmummer can’t have more of spine is more useless than writing a letter to Santa Claus. Don’t want to sound mean, but… Nobumma is what he is. Get used to it. He behaves the way his handlers demand. My bet is that his handlers want ORahma to be such a lilly-livered weak-willed appearing nonentity that the populace will rise up as one to vote in a more “manly” Republican like Dick Cheney (really: think about it if you can manage to do so without passing out).
Besides the ultra conservatives who talk about a “weak” President regarding wars, what in reality suggests this President isn’t another war monger? I do not believe that the “peace doves” will be in the White House even if General McChrystal is fired or resigns.
Will President Obama use this time to take a new direction in Afghanistan or squander it? History shows repeatedly that Afghanistan is where “empires” go to die. Every adult in the U.S. should learn about Afghanistan and its tribes. It is NOT a country like Germany for example. Are we going to continue this war for years and years to further the destruction of our country?
War is a racket, those who profit from it don’t care whether it goes well or not, either way they make their money.
It doesn’t matter whether McCrystal leads the band or not, the money just keeps on flowing on down the drain.
McCrystal’s retirement at this time opens the way for Palin-McCrystal in 2012, and the myth being perpetrated on us now is that our wimpy socialist, Islam-loving president is firing the only man who really understands counter-insurgency, a daring leader, beloved by his troops, something like Patton.
They’re going to start talking about how, by firing McCrystal, Obama is putting our troops in danger and stabbing our military in the back.
Next it’s book-burnings and torch-lit night rallies.
Yeah… you got that right. Doesn’t matter if we win or lose… in fact, winning a war may be for chumps. After all, clearly peace doesn’t pay.
Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it. Vietnam was not even 50 years ago, yet we have totally forgotten the lessons we should have learned there. Compare. Corrupt govt. Incompetent local troops. Massive drugs. Asymmetrical warfare.Hubris on part of US leaders. Same old, same old.
Now I had not heard the current rumour about the CIA and heroin, however, I know for a fact-eyewitness, don’t you know-that the CIA airline(Air America) that operated in SE Asia did in fact ship heroin out of the “Golden Triangle” to Bangkok and Hong Kong and Taiwan. Why they did it and if the HMFWICs* back in “The World” knew about it, that I have no idea. I was 18, I knew enough even then to keep my mouth shut.
But overall, we have managed to get ourselves, once again, stuck in a quagmire.
We went into A’stan with a clear objective, didn’t we? Catch/kill OBL, right? That failed when Rumsfeld clearly fucked up at Tora Bora, the closest we ever got to OBL and the destruction of alQaeda. Then what? gw bush got distracted by Iraq-oooh, shiney!-and A’stan just…coasted. Then Obama came along and the mission creep-that started under bush-got way way faster. Now we say a “stable govt” is what we need to say “We Won”. Except that with the players we got, that ain’t gonna happen, not in this world.
massive drug corruption, a president-Karzai-who stole his election(while we stood by and did nothing) an Army that after 9 years of training is still nothing more than ignorant boys who run away at the first sounds of gunfire, if they are not part of the Taliban. 9 years and the people we send to train them still don’t speak the local language. Wow. The hubris of our govt is(shake of head and sigh) we still can’t talk to those we advise and train. Same as Vietnam where we had only a few people who spoke Vietnamese. Everyone else relied on an interpreter, all the way up to the top. And if by some mistake we do put a MFWIC* who does speak the language, we come up with some reason to get rid of them. So, what is it that the locals are saying? We have no idea, do we. Same old, same old.
The story in Vietnam was that there was oil offshore-(Sayshell Islands-spelling bad, I know) that was claimed by at least 3 countries. There was also the story that we went to war to get control of the drug trade from France. IOW, after 5 years of hot war(1970) the avg. grunt on the ground had no idea just what we were fighting for. 9 years on in Afghanistan, our reason for going to war having left for Pakistan and the Taliban resurgent, the avg grnt on the ground is once more asking, “What are we fighting for?” (Don’t ask me, I don’t give a damn.) The deaths increase daily, the current rules of engagement go totally against the “American Way of War”. What happend to not going to war without a firm exit strategy? Our soldiers claim that they have learned the lessons of Vietnam. Perhaps, but the politicians do not have a clue and are repeating all the f**kups of Vietnam. *HMFWIC=Head Mother F***er Whats In Charge. Hey, that was a very well known saying back when I was part of the Green Monster.
Fire him, or stand revealed as a squishy, affable, split-the-difference kind of fella for whom no insult is so great that it can’t be absorbed with a smile and a handshake.
Funny you should link him to The Quitter. I’ve been wondering if this wasn’t a deliberate CLM on Stan’s part to wash his hands of the whole business.
And is anyone else bothered by Hillary’s “Give Stan what he wants” position on the escalation? Yikes…
Timr, very interesting points you make.
Regarding languages in Afghanistan: Afghan Persian or Dari (official) 50%, Pashto (official) 35%, Turkic languages (primarily Uzbek and Turkmen) 11%, 30 minor languages (primarily Balochi and Pashai) 4%, much bilingualism (CIA World Factbook).
Bottom line, this is even worse than Vietnam because history shows that Afghanistan is where “empires go to die”.
People might want to learn more about the major influence of Halliburton – KBR both in Vietnam and now Iraq – Afghanistan.
What Will Obama Do with KBR?
President Obama has stated this is a change in “personnel”, not “policy”.
As for what Obama will do with KBR – just look at Blackwater/Xe… they just got a 120 million fed contract for ops in Afganistan.
So clearly Obama will send KBR a check – see he knows just what to do with these guys.
And if BP can laugh in the face of the EPA and Obama, then a General from the largest money (and guns) organization in the world sure as shit can/will/does.
“I’ve been wondering if this wasn’t a deliberate CLM on Stan’s part to wash his hands of the whole business.”
Or as Stephen says,
I hear you, and I’m pretty sure about the CIA-drug connection, but of course, have no real proof (do any of us?? and yes: most of us keep our mouths shut just because).
But I have to disagree with a couple of points in your post… but based solely on my “humble” opinion alone. I think Rummy was told to eff the capture of ObL in the Tora Bora hills of Afghanistan. I NEVER believed that was the objective, and I NEVER believed that ObL would be captured. The son of the Bush family’s best friends, the bin Ladens?? The same bin Ladens who were spirited out of the USA on 9/11 (the only flight permitted)?? Yeah, right: pull the other one. The Bush family had NO intention of capuring bin Laden. It was a pretext to go to war in Afghanistan. Whether it was for the poppies or other minerals OR more likely just so that money could spent on the MIC is up for grabs.
Same reasons, clearly, for Viet Nam. It’s the MIC cronies making money. The issue for them is making money. The end. The MIC could give a fack whether we win or lose. I frankly think that poppies and minerals are just sidelines and other shiney objects to wave at the rubes. The main goal for the the MIC to make money. The stupid sheep US population clearly gets more enraged at the notion that some poor person might get free medical care (great brainwashing), but that same US sheep is just fine with billions upon trillions of their tax dollahs being handed over to the Bush & Cheney families in the name of WAR, Inc.
Get used to it. But thanks for your post and your service in Viet Nam.