Tommy Christopher is right to wonder why Alan Simpson’s uninformed rant about Social Security didn’t get enough attention in the traditional media, and I’m glad he asked Robert Gibbs about it at a White House press briefing. I hope he continues to do so. Gibbs stonewalled him with a “no comment;” let him do it again.
But that discussion between Simpson and Social Security Works’ Alex Lawson had a very particular audience – liberal elites. They suddenly had to worry that this deficit commission was dead serious about taking an ax to Social Security and other entitlement programs, based on erroneous talking points about spent trust funds. It hit Paul Krugman’s radar screen, as well as others. You’re seeing the Social Security argument crop up in television ads opposing Republican candidates. And now, MoveOn is basically calling for a mirror-image replay of the Republican town hall meeting storms, by asking liberals to infiltrate America Speaks events all over the country.
America Speaks is the brainchild of billionaire hedge fund manager and tax cheat Pete Peterson, who is helping fund the deficit commission. These town hall-style events are designed to be a propaganda tour for the need to scale back deficits by cutting social spending. In a letter to supporters titled “Rally to save Social Security,” MoveOn asks members to attend the America Speaks events.
The Deficit Commission is the executive panel charged with deciding our country’s spending priorities. The problem is, it’s filled with people who are obsessed with using the deficit as an excuse to cut Social Security and Medicare.
Until now, the commission has been holding only closed-door meetings in Washington. But this Saturday, an outside group that will report back to the commission is holding town halls on the budget across the country.
Here’s the catch: that outside group is sponsored by a billionaire hedge fund manager who’s been working to gut Social Security and Medicare for decades, and the organizers get to decide who can attend.
We need to speak out now so the commission knows that Americans won’t let their Social Security be cut. So we’re partnering with a bunch of progressive allies to hold rallies outside their events. We’ll speak out and make sure the media knows about the many progressive solutions to the deficit—like rolling back the Bush Tax Cuts and rooting out wasteful military spending.
Peterson isn’t stupid – he’s going to try and block any rabble-rousers from entry, and turn these events into infomercials. But at least MoveOn, among the largest progressive groups out there, is taking this on directly. I’m told the AFL-CIO will also pitch in. It was literally Nancy Altman, 20 bucks and a staff of about 2 a week ago.
RJ Eskow has more on these town halls. One of these events is in Los Angeles this Saturday, so I’ll try to report from it.




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Thanks for the info. I’ll check this out, and I hope that you can attend in Los Angeles this weekend. I would be very interested to hear what you learn there. Keep up the good work on reporting on this. Not a huge Krugman fan, but as they say, he gets the “optics.” So I’m glad that Krugman’s at least discussing this as well.
I’ve long said (to be very boring and repititive), IF there really really is a problem with Soc Sec, then frickin just raise or abolish the income tax cap. Really this is basic, but I think it bears repeating because the average citizen (and I’ve talking to many) just hears “oh there’s a problem with soc sec and it won’t be around forver” and they just *accept* that without question.
Citizens really need to understand the options to save Soc Sec (if it even really needs to be “saved” other than from the greedy mitts of vermin like Peterson).
Hope to learn more about this.
onitgoes, well said. People are only fed one version of the story, which is that Social Security has to be cut. But the truth is so far from that. Rather than cut benefits, it would be so much better to focus on real reforms to Social Security that are really needed–like wage sharing. Bing Chen, one of the foremost experts on Social Security, has an amazing piece on this today: http://www.newdeal20.org/2010/06/24/social-securitys-family-benefits-and-the-fiscal-commission-13306/
Aren’t these the same groups who said there would be no health care bill without a public option?
Pete Peterson, if you’re so worried about the deficit then presumably you’re willing to see your tax rates go back to the rates from the ’50s/’60s.
No, I didn’t think you were that worried about it.
Raising the cap isn’t fair, because benefits are based on that cap.
The excess FICA taxes went to pay for tax cuts for the richest Americans while deficits piled up year after year.
Tax cuts handed out while you are running deficits are just loans.
The richest Americans got those loans.
They should pay the loans off.
Didn’t Obama campaign on raising taxes on those who make over $250k? What happened to that promise in all this deficit fever?
I’m calling my congressman as soon as I find out who it is.
The administration and people who want to kill Social Security and Medicare are aware of the fact that people in this country have no clue about the budget or anything else that has to do with money.
Social Security and Medicare aren’t part of the budget. Greenspan and Reagan made sure that the middle class got soaked by the system when they made sure there was a separate money flow dedicated to both without coming from income taxes. The money went into a special “lock box” but starting with the Bush I administration into Clinton and continuing until today the money that was supposed to be set aside for old people and disabled people has been plundered and used to offset the deficits the government is running up.
Until the “progressive” talking heads like Olbermann and Maddow start educating the people about the difference between FICA taxes (which are right there in black and white on pay stubs) and income tax (which is totally unrelated to Social Security) the folks like Peterson and the DLC will win.
Raising/eliminating the cap at which point FICA stops being collected and allowing the Bush tax cuts for the rich to end will definitely fix whatever anyone perceives to be wrong with Social Security. The battle will be centered around the rhetoric of tax increases which is exactly why Bush made sure his tax cuts would have to be renewed in 2011…perfect timing for the GOP to use the old shibboleth against the Democrats as “tax and spend.”
Obama poll numbers are now at an all time low for him.
Obama, Rahm, and the corporate politicians in both parties are now a threat to the plight of all americans.
Let just throw the idea of human being intelligent out the door, what intelligent species works daily to kill itself.
The dems will have no choice but to primary Obama, he has no chance of winning an election in 2012
Obama, Rahm, and the corporate politicians may lead the way for the rise of a new party, independent politicians, etc.
The corporate dems are already trying to make Hillary the answer in 2012, isn’t she married to Bill Clinton, the guy who hates social security and gave us NAFTA?
The winds in Washington are blowing LEFT! and the Elites hate it.
Fox news is being exposed, the BP OIL spill makes it hard for them to hide their true colors. Fox viewers are confuse, they thought Fox cared about poor people, NOT!
I am unable to hear the clip. Gibbs actually uttered the phrase, “No comment?” If so, he might as well have said, “Yeah, we’re gutting SSI. What are you gonna do about it, punk?”
Reprehensible.
Raising the cap is fair because even rich people collect Social Security while they are still working, case in point John McCain collecting Social Security while serving in the US Senate.
I realize this is a bit idealistic but in a society where everyone understood that we are all somehow responsible for each other, there should be no problem with someone making millions of dollars, in some case billions of dollars, contributing to the public good even if it’s just to preclude a revolution.
Very succinct. If you’ll allow me to steal it, I’ll use it every chance I get.
Very interesting local dvlpmnt here in LA, insofar as a significant writer for the Times picked up on the interview, and blasted Simpson. (This is news, cuz the LA Times has gone very conservative the last several years).
The columnist’s disquisition is at:
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hiltzik-20100623,0,901199.column
The author’s original title to his blog entry that became the column was, roughly: Keep This Man Away From Social Security.
I don’t see how gutting SS is going to help them turn-around the numbers. I’d really like to hear them explain it.
Raising the cap without raising benefits for high income earners makes the additional revenue a transfer from high earners to lower earners.
Raising the cap (or eliminating it) is progressive taxation, which OASI/FICA isn’t designed to be. I don’t have a problem with that, and I hope to have income over the cap again in 2011 – will do so
if I everwhen I finally get an offer.BTW, it is worth noting that the expiring Bush tax cuts will hit low income taxpayers as well – the lowest marginal rate will go from 10% to 15%. Keeping the tax cut in place for the lower income brackets would be good.
Keep the bottom 3 brackets where they were placed in 2003′s tax cut, let the capital gains and upper income bracket rates revert.
Anyone attending the NorCal one in Palo Alto?
I can’t make it.
Here’s the info:
Bingham McCutchen Conference Center, 1900 University Ave., 4th Floor, in East Palo Alto. It starts at 7:30 a.m. sharp.
Yeah, by the 4 Seasons in old Whiskey Gulch. I wonder if they’re going to try to block the rabble from parking, may have to park at IKEA/Ravenswood & hike across the freeway…
7:30 am who the hell is up at that hour especially after lurking/commenting your way through LLN??
Pretty massive big-political-picture fail going on here, insofar as cutting SS remains the 3rd rail of US politics. Their vulnerability is our gain — all we have to do is prominently publicize what’s going on. Then we make the R’s pay for this in the October elections by tarring them with this.
But that means the tricky part is how to handle the D party would-be SS-gutters. The public pressure has to be applied in such a manner as to make the D’s peel off (or at least go stealth) earlier, i.e. before the R’s do. Leaving the R’s hanging out there all alone by election time.
Hmmmm I like that idea only how ta get it done???
7:30, I wish. I’ll have to be up no later than 6 to get there from Santa Cruz Co.
That’s why I’ll be missing it; plus driving over the hill from SC county isn’t something I do except for job interviews.
it is on a Saturday though, so traffic would be reasonable. 17 would be flowing to SC for weekend beach activities.
Yes, and they caved when Obama caved. Obama fanatics allowed their long held principles to be hobbled by their total idolatry of Obama. When he sold out in the backrooms to Drug and Insurance, the proponents of the Public Option forgot their principles, and kissed ass along with Olbermann, Matthews,Maddow and a cast of thousands in the media.
Now that Obama’s inability to control the message or the problem is clear, he is beginning to feel heat from the left who could no longer find it possible to abide his lackluster and unfocussed Oval Office speech, and his ineffectual response to a major crisis, BP’s Spill.
His sluggish response to BP, and the perception that he is overwhelmed have become apparent. There is no well coordinated effort in the cleanup in the Gulf and we are not advised by the WH of any clear cleanup coordinated efforts by the WH.
What happened to helping the overwhelmed Coast Guard with the Navy who have the equipment and smarts to do it? Where is a Commander In Chief of the Spill? Where is Homeland Security on this? Duh.
Our country is gripped with an overpowering sense of futility, economic suffering, and a loss of their land and vocations. The Obamatons answer?
“What can he do?” Apparently nothing.
The paralysis in the White House is pitiful. And how does Obama justify Salazar’s permits for offshore drilling from the get go with no real concerted effort to clean up the well known failures of MMS? Or Interior?
This administration is in a mess comprised of it’s own compromises, naive and heavy handed politics, and an inability to create work programs, extend unemployment, or function with political clout. The clout is there, but there is an absence of strong clear leadership and the GOP are taking full advantage of the White House’s political meandering and Obama’s lack of experience and leadership.
The bunch of jackasses advising him will take him down unless he is capable of a 180 degree turn in staff and show he can rule.
Obama’s political capital is being used up quickly. If I hear one more word about bi-partisanship I will puke.
I have a very different view of HCR. Obama didn’t help get the best possible health care reform.
He did get some reform. What passed is an improvement on what existed.
I don’t see a viable alternative to Obama in 2012. 2012 won’t be a year for a third party winning the presidency. And I believe the Republican nominee will be so bad that working for Obama’s reelection will be needed, regardless of his faults during this term.
Thank you for bringing up very good points. Obama’s getting gray hair.
Sad how things fall apart when you are not being honest.
McChrystal being replaced in Afghanistan by a suck up bootlicker. What happens to McChrystal’s loyal staff of 40 who had their finger on the pulse of operations?
BP Macondo well spewing uncontrollably. Florida beaches being trashed and the relief wells likely won’t work.
OSHA had no authority over safety on rigs more than 3 miles out and thus 11 lives were lost.
Housing sales headed down again and State governments are suffering strangulation. California faces $26 billion deficit, more expensive than the Afghan war.
The new healthcare bill imposes a mandatory IRS penalty on individuals who don’t have health insurance and who don’t pruchase it from private health insurance companies.
No drug imports allowed from Canada.
Commission established to dismantle social security.
Just a matter of luck that terrorist bombs fizzled out.
Been a heck of a first 18 months, Barry.
We really can’t blame this all on republicans. It was Obama who set this deficit mess up as well as being late to the show with his tepid endorsement of re-funding the social programs and unemployment.
I watched the House take the medicaid $$$$$ and put it the War supplemental,so nobody is TOO worried about deficits unless it’s austerity measures for the most vulnerable in society which is turning out to be all of us.
Pawlenty
masaccio is upstairs!
Social Security Talking Points For America Speaks
I think you had to register by June 14 to attend one of these
farcestown meetings.I am glad to hear that MoveOn is bringing pressure to bear.
The putative liberal groups that have lent their names to America Speaks need to be called out on it.