President Obama delivered a long speech today at American University, arguing for a comprehensive immigration bill in an address seemingly designed to put pressure on Republicans for opposing such reforms.
The address began with the President listing the numerous accomplishments from immigrants throughout history, from “Andrew Carnegie’s U.S. Steel and Sergey Brin’s Google,” to the millions who came to America throughout the generations and helped build the country. While there has always been ugly politics surrounding the inclusion of immigrants, their benefit to the country is undeniable.
Obama said that the legal immigration system is as broken as the borders, a key point. Many of the estimated 11 million undocumented workers in the country didn’t go through the normal channels because of the extreme backlogs and obstacles with that system. And this makes them easily exploitable in the underground economy.
But here was the meat of the speech, at least to me:
Just a few years ago, when I was a senator, we forged a bipartisan coalition in favor of comprehensive reform. Under the leadership of Senator Kennedy, who had been a longtime champion of immigration reform, and Senator John McCain, we worked across the aisle to help pass a bipartisan bill through the Senate. But that effort eventually came apart. And now, under the pressures of partisanship and election-year politics, many of the 11 Republican senators who voted for reform in the past have now backed away from their previous support.
Into this breach, states like Arizona have decided to take matters into their own hands. Given the levels of frustration across the country, this is understandable. But it is also ill conceived. And it’s not just that the law Arizona passed is divisive -– although it has fanned the flames of an already contentious debate. Laws like Arizona’s put huge pressures on local law enforcement to enforce rules that ultimately are unenforceable. It puts pressure on already hard-strapped state and local budgets. It makes it difficult for people here illegally to report crimes -– driving a wedge between communities and law enforcement, making our streets more dangerous and the jobs of our police officers more difficult.
And you don’t have to take my word for this. You can speak to the police chiefs and others from law enforcement here today who will tell you the same thing.
The rest was familiar – he advocated a balanced approach, enforcing the border and the workplace, fixing the legal immigration system, passing the DREAM Act, and providing a path to citizenship for the undocumented after paying fines and taxes. But basically, this was a speech about assigning blame. Republicans walked away from their own program, Obama said, and that led to a wild west show where states impose their own draconian laws and sanctions. The audience for that passage is the Hispanic community, and it’s a message designed for them to put pressure on Republicans to come back to the fold. Later in the speech, Obama says that a comprehensive bill must have bipartisan support:
I’m ready to move forward; the majority of Democrats are ready to move forward; and I believe the majority of Americans are ready to move forward. But the fact is, without bipartisan support, as we had just a few years ago, we cannot solve this problem. Reform that brings accountability to our immigration system cannot pass without Republican votes. That is the political and mathematical reality. The only way to reduce the risk that this effort will again falter because of politics is if members of both parties are willing to take responsibility for solving this problem once and for all.
And, yes, this is an emotional question, and one that lends itself to demagoguery. Time and again, this issue has been used to divide and inflame -– and to demonize people. And so the understandable, the natural impulse among those who run for office is to turn away and defer this question for another day, or another year, or another administration. Despite the courageous leadership in the past shown by many Democrats and some Republicans — including, by the way, my predecessor, President Bush -– this has been the custom. That is why a broken and dangerous system that offends our most basic American values is still in place.
Without directly calling to action, Obama is saying, “Go get the votes. Get Republicans on board. And we’ll have a bill.”



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Anything about UAFA? Some relief for binational lgbt couples?
I wonder if the cut-off date for anchor babies will be 1492?
That’s only about the Senate, isn’t it? In which case it’s not “reality” of any kind, it’s just the same excuse as always. “Our rules mean that we have to have their help.” “Why don’t you change the rules, then?” “Inconceivable!”
As per the usual, “What did Obama bring that’s ‘new’ to this discussion?”
Nothing. Period.
As a Hispanic, all I expect from the Democrats is to dump the legislation into the hopper, and take a vote. And it’s from this vote that I will come to realize who among the Democrats are willing to continue to be my “political allies”, not only on immigration, but on all the other issues that have to be confronted/addressed.
And by way of example, 37 Democrats crossed the aisle and voted with the Republicans on FinReg. As such, what Hispanics will have to do for the future in terms of political engagement, is create a web site where vote tallies can be kept on an issue by issue basis, and which will permit us, the Spanish-speaking, to demonstrate our anger at the Democrats who cannot and will not hold true to the Core Values that underlie the Democratic Coalition. Of course, if a wayward Democrat decides that his or her ‘value’ supersedes the Democratic Coaltion, ostracizing this wayward Democrats, would do wonders for me.
And if Obama cannot or will not bring his “A Game” to CIR, perhaps, understanding that Obama deserves to become a “transitional” presidency in the same manner that Jimmy Carter understood his role in politics. One Term only, should be more than enough to satisfy Obama.
Jaango
on this bill, it may be true of the House as well.
Do you think it is easy for the Senate to change the rules? A rule change itself could be filibustered.
Big business wants immigration reform … they tried to get their ho bush to pull it off, but it backfired … but now they got the smoother obama to pull the trick. The fact that big business wants it to keep down labor costs and inhibit the social cohesion that is needed to overthrow their rule AND it is a winning issue with hispanic voters just in time for the mid-terms will bring out the best efforts of the dlc’s dynamic duo of deceit: the pope of hope, who is dlc sans the the membership card, and emanuel.
This is admittedly a bit of strawman argument, but this is where the left loses me: too many of them advocating practically unfettered immigration in a time of high unemployment and little labor power. We simply can’t support all the people here that are american citizens as it is … there are limits as to how many people our economy and infrastructure can support w/o negatively affecting our living standards. That should be pretty damn obvious, but unfortunately too many feel-good liberals shove their head up their ass on this issue and hence are easily manipulated by the democratic party on it.
Z
WRONG! The Senate rules are nothing more than something written on a scrap of crap encrusted toilet paper which is appropriate as the Senate is a dysfunctional piece of shit institution.
Rule change method is called the “Nuclear Option” and could be done now in 5 minutes read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_of_14
Its only that the “elite” power mad subhuman scum we call US Senators will not do it. I hate every last one of them (maybe not Feingold).
You left out the middle step: “take an extraordinarily long time to water down the legislation, “
Waste of time.
All the Republicans understand is the repeated use of the 2×4 of enlightenment.
Some Chicago politician we got there.
It is the business community that opposes rational reform. They gain great advantage in not only the low wages workers held captive by their illegal status. This also serves to the advantage of business in lowering and flattening wages for legal residents.
Just what evidence do you have for this?
I know of no Democrat or liberal who believes in unfettered immigration. The GOP has had ample opportunity to pass reform and now to cooperate in rational reform. Most Democrats do believe undocumented immigrants are humans and deserve the same rights as any other, Not to be singled out for harassment or shot by some gun nut right winger on the border..
Just what I was thinking.
Now they have the slick chameleon to do their bidding.
Like I have said prior when this fraudster(Obama) is out of office
the progressive movement would be pushed 10-18 yrs back.
In other words folks,many of us won’t see any betterment in our life time.
And look who is probably going to be re-elected in Nevada,Harry Reid who has marshaled the Corporate agenda for the Dems for the last 10-12 yrs.
O makes another speech…
Zeabow,
The overwhelming number of undocumented immigrants in my neck of the woods, Arizona, are working at menial jobs and by that I am referring to those jobs available where a high school diploma is not required. Therefore, 50% of these employees are undocumented immigrants. And as per the usual, all this is lost in any argumentation due to the fact that the UI’s pay for their utility services, shop at a local grocery store, make their auto payments on time, monies spent on booze, alcohol,cigs, and even sex, and so on, and so forth. As such, their monies circulate among the Middle Class in Arizona and not necessarily to the Wealth-Silver Spooners/Scions–racket.
As to your rationale for “unfettered immigration”, dude, you’ve been smoking the wrong ‘good’ stuff.
And perhaps, too, you’ve been spending too much time at the local Taco Bell in your neighborhood. Oohh, by the way, I am still demanding of Taco Bell, my “indigenous reparations” for stealing my ‘products’, making a quick and cheap buck, and still refusing to do ‘what’s right’ by paying me my reparations, despite their “lyin’,stealin’ and cheatin’” that is representative of America. Of course, I could go on an on, but I am an “aggressive” Moderate, so I tend to practice a tad of self-restraint, and yet, I like “bustin’ chops” and preferably not mine.
Jaango
What Obama said was quite fair in my opinion. I am so used to hearing the partisan line that it is refreshing to hear a little truth. He even mentioned Arizona as just trying to take the matter into its own hands. Very fair of him.
Talkingstick @11
Just the other day, a conservative candidate for statewide office, began campaigning on the platform for ‘disconnecting’ the undocumented immigrant from all utility services, electricity, water, and natural gas. Now, I am wondering what this candidate’s kids think of their father?
And as a further aside, the local news media outlets have laid out their blanket of censorship, in which our infamous Governor Jan Brewer uttered this past weekend, and in which decapitated bodies of undocumented immigrants are being found in the Desert. And as of yesterday, six county medical examiners have stated quite emphatically that they have yet to process the first decapitated body. And outside of our Nation’s Capitol, Arizona has far more law enforcement personnel, federal, state, local, and tribal, than any other geographical location in the USA. Perhaps, the law enforcement schematic is doing the “processing”? Not likely, but it makes for scaring the hell out of everyone and of course, that’s the Governor’ purpose for her election as well as McCain’s re-election as well.
Jaango
First of all, what sort of reform do you think obama will try to shepherd thru congress: one that is a) rational IYO or one that is b) irrational and favors big business? If you pick a, then let’s do us both a favor and end this discussion right here becoz you live on a different planet than I.
If big business has their way, they’d always prefer being able to legally exploit labor … to make it legal to exploit labor. As it is now, there is risk involved by employing illegals. The really big corporations, the ones who own “our” government, aren’t generally taking the risk of hiring illegals.
Please refer to the boldened print above. Next, I DO know of democrats that believe in unlimited immigration w/o a thought of the practicability of it, but I’m not going to produce their names, addresses and phone numbers so that you can verify it.
And speaking of strawmen, it is possible to understand the individual plight of the illegal immigrant, recognize that they are indeed human and empathize with them and still see it as not in the best interests of the vast majority of the american people, who are humans also. And it’s also possible to be one who advocates they “not to be singled out for harassment or shot by some gun nut right winger on the border” and not be in favor of a mass amount of new citizens being added to this country when the real unemployment rate is damn near 20%.
Z
David, I think you are right on Obama’s positioning. And this is one instance where he is willing to dump blame for disgraceful politics onto the Republicans. He has been way too reluctant to do that.
But I’ve also had it with the Democrats hiding behind the filibuster rule, which they could abolish with a majority vote in the Senate. If the Democrats voted uniformly or near-uniformly for immigration reform, they could pass it through both houses and Obama could sign it. To let opportunities like this go by because of the filibuster rule is a terrible thing.
Jaango,
If your argument is that the illegals are just doing the jobs that americans are too lazy to do and they are really saving us money, blah, blah, blha, I consider that argument bullshit. They are doing jobs that americans won’t do for that wage. If the jobs paid better wages, americans would do those jobs. People do jobs in this country which include getting themselves elbow deep in feces and jobs that involve risking their life, so I don’t buy the absurd argument that illegal immigrants are only doing jobs that americans don’t want to get their hands dirty doing. And, of course, costs of the products would go up as a result, but labor would make more money and be more powerful by not being undercut by people who are willing to have a lower standard of living becoz things are more hopeless in their home country.
Let me be clear, I understand why people want to come to this country from other countries to better their life. I have nothing against that concept. However, there are, again, limits to how many people can be supported at certain standards of living in this country. And at 20% real unemployment, I think we have reached those limits.
Z
Farmers are Republicans mostly and see profit in cheap lahor. The crew bosses provide the labor. I have picked orange in Florida made $7.00 for a days work and they did not want to pay. The labor bus stopped at their store to recoup what they had paid.
The workers had no rights, no benefits and no advocates. They were criminals by definition. The farm industry depends on there own people to exploit them whether planting trees or farming. No insurance too. Violence and drugs are a part of tyhe culture. The California Bracero system allowed imigrants to come make money and take it home. I do not know the answer but health conditions with chemical fertilizers (I worked in a warehouse and was sick), pesticide, herbicides and fungicide are risky at best. Try picking a pound of string beans that bring $3 dollars at the cash register! Cesar Chavez Viva La Raza.
Lemme know when you blame the corporate fascism, our elected offals and the elite for our problems instead of blaming them on illegal immigrants.
I might decide to really listen.
We need jobs, and this government, this fascist corporate oligarchy, this Obama Admin, this Congress are NOT creating jobs like FDR did. And they could, easily.
Lemme add the illegal immigrants didn’t take them jobs from us, they didn’t deregulate, consolidate and eliminate jobs, they didn’t farm production and white collar work overseas. That was done on OUR watch, Citizen. Under OUR watchful eyes, when we let it all slip away cuz we were oblivious to it as long as WE got our share.
And then they came for the middle class.
And you wanna blame the immigrants for making our lives harder now? Now that the middle class has been booted to the side of the road with the brown, black, and yellow and the red? The entire middle class? All us white folks? BOOTED to the side.
How’s that feel, Z? Have YOU been booted? if so, how’s it FEEL to be treated like an illegal immigrant?
Feh.
Take your witch hunt anger to Congress and The Presidency and the Corporations.
Blaming the illegal immigrants is a sign of . . . . . well, you ain’t paying attention, is all I’m sayin.
You just ain’t paying attention. To reality and who it is that’s killin this country.
You just ain’t paying attention.
Thank you.
There are a number of ways that the Senate and House can overcome 2/3 or lack of majority issues.
FDL has been pretty good at describing them, wish I had bookmarked them all for an occasion such as this.
Perhaps others can pull out the gems.
The Senate and House do the bidding of the corporations that bought and own them.
End of story. So change, EVEN WITH nuke options, ain’t gonna happen, unless we the people just get fed up with it and stage massive dissents. Shut the country down. Period.
So far, no sign of that happening, sigh.
Thank you for the voice of sanity.
RFO hoss, RFO.
Hoss, one more time.
Who do you blame for that REAL unemployment rate of 20%? (cuz that’s what it is in CA, if not higher)
Who do you blame?
Don’t blame the illegal immigrants, hoss.
You CAN’T blame them, they are not the one’s responsible.
If you continue to blame them, then you show your aryan badge.
Kapiche?
Zeabow,
If America has a population of one billion persons, America would continue to survive and prosper.
Now, from my perspective, if the Republicans were in charge, the minimum wage would quickly becom non-existent. As for the organized labor perspective, Trumpka “got it” correctly.
And conservatives here in Arizona, are not into “empathy” or compassion when it comes to the Gulf Coast Oil Disaster, since these conservatives are declaiming that the Gulf Coasters can come to Arizona and pick the lettuce, and minimum wage be damned.
As to your perspective that with 20% unemployment, the undocumented immigrant has been the cause of this, but when the Masters of the Universe took the decision to marry the investment banking functionality to the commercial banking regimen, this “magic door” still can’t be closed given what the House passed for FinReg. Thus, the “damage done by Democrats to Democrats” is my storyline, and undocumented immigrants isn’t part of this storyline.
So, when Obama projects his displeasure at the Republicans, he should start looking at home, and in this instance, the Senate Democrats have “captured” his Legacy, and are writing it without Obama’s participation.
Jaango
Jaango
The future immigrant will be the worker that saves Social Security. When the boomers are finally gone and our kids are on S.S. then it is the immigrants who will make up for the loss in population that will help with this problem.
So we had better be really nice to immigrants (legal or illegal) right now.
Believe it or not, we’re having a “baby boom” right now. How these people think they can afford that many kids is beyond me.
It is not wrong. In the Senate, anything can be filibustered
The nuclear option is one possible response, but so is cloture.
“Comprehensive Immigration Reform” is a misnomer, a political gimmick, in the full sense of the word. We should be speaking of “Ethical Immigration Reform”, the first order of which is the stalled “Dream Act.”
The Dream Act is a matter of social and legal morality. It seeks to remedy a species of corruption of blood that makes penalizes young people because their parents brought them to the U.S. without documentation. It punishes the innocent for the alleged sins of their parents. The Act needs to be stripped of its military option, and it needs to be passed to give young people, including college students and graduates, a path to citizenship. The Act must be passed as a stand alone, moral imperative type of legislation to right a wrong that has no place in our society.
Ethical Immigration Reform should include at a minimum:
1. Build bridges between the peoples of Mexico and the U.S. to foster collaboration instead of building walls that segregate and separate them and make them into competitors in a struggle for survival. Take immediate action to stop the deaths along the border and end border militarization, including the building of physical and virtual walls.
2. End all economic and foreign policies which undermine the ability of people in “sender” countries to provide for themselves and their families and leave them with no choice but migration.
3. Provide a just and unconditional legalization program for the millions of undocumented immigrants who have built their homes and families here and contributed greatly to the prosperity of the U.S. economy. The legalization program should include a clear and easy path to citizenship that does not include fines or unreasonable wait times to obtain permanent residence.
4. Clear the backlogs of the hundreds of thousands of immigrants who have been patiently enduring the endless bureaucratic delays to their attempts to legalize their status.
5. Bracero-style guest worker programs and other forms of labor exploitation should be eliminated, and the labor system made to benefit workers and their families, not corporations and agribusiness. Temporary workers, by definition, do not enjoy equal treatment under the law.
6. End the criminalization of work through the use of I-9 audits, E-verify, “silent raids,” and other tactics used carry out mass firings of workers through use of the Social Security database. These employer sanction systems are costly, prone to error, and promote discrimination. All workers, immigrants included, have the right to work and seek work without fear of retaliation or discrimination.
7. Immigrants and their families have the right to live in their communities without fear. Decriminalize the status of undocumented workers, reestablish due process for immigrants regardless of status, and eliminate the privatization of the detention system.
Immigrants have fought for justice in their communities for many years, and in 2006 they reminded our legislators and politicians just how strong and intelligent their voices are. They have pushed for workers’ rights, an end to raids and deportations, and a fair and just legalization for all. Now is the time to engage with our communities in honest dialogue and to hold our elected officials accountable to the vision of justice coming from the immigrant communities that make up our nation.
Senators Schumer (D-NY)and Graham (R-SC) have proposed the worn-out plead guilty to having broken the law – including status offenses – pay an unconscionable large fine, pay exorbitant costs associated with the path to legalization, which Obama has embraced immediately, launching his administration on the endless and foolish quest for bipartisanship at the expense of doing what is just and right.
Which is amnesty. No more, no less. And, it works.
My extended family are all on board to making this man a one termer. Failing the above will just put the icing on the cake. We’ve had it with the empty oratory, the refusal to lead, and the inability to stem the tide (an even going beyond, as in deportations) of Bush policies.
Scurrilous. The right wing will be just fine without reform as long as they have a group they can hate and torment.
There is no debate among Democrats and liberals as to the need to control the borders.
What a shame the spineless GWB did not address the problem long before there were so many undocumented so embedded in the community now.
Now it is just one more catastrophe created by the GOPers that now Obama has to deal with.
Larue,
Do you read what I wrote? Do you read yourself?
I’m not going to spend much time responding to your blather such as this “Lemme know when you blame the corporate fascism, our elected offals and the elite for our problems instead of blaming them on illegal immigrants” that has little to do with what I wrote.
It is possible that both corporatism, which I strongly suspect any immigration bill that obama and this senate will sign will further empower, and immigration are not good for an economy that damn near has a 20% real unemployment rate.
Z
larue,
Throwing around aryan accusations becoz someone does not toe the liberal line on immigration … how pathetic.
Z
Jaango,
Jaango: “If America has a population of one billion persons, America would continue to survive and prosper.”
Sure, whatever you say …
Jaango: “As to your perspective that with 20% unemployment, the undocumented immigrant has been the cause of this …”
I never said that illegal immigration is the sole cause of this, nor do I believe it.
We share an antipathy of both the democratic and republican party.
Z
And the filibuster would be irrelevant because of the Nuclear Option.
So destroying the Filibuster Rule is procedurally easy using the Nuclear Option. Actually, it would be easy to sell to the public just burning the whole Senate Rule book on floor of the Senate.
Using the Nuclear Option is the only realistic choice to stop this country from going over the cliff of dysfunction. In fact, the only reason why the Filibuster was not (partially) invalidated in 2006 was that the usual despicable group of Democrats gave the Republicans everything they wanted.
Wall Street Journal wants amnesty.
US Chamber of Commerce wants amnesty.
Bush wanted amnesty.
Reagan got amnesty.
Think, people, think.
Totallyy agreed.
This hoss needs to go back in the barn.
To my Hispanic friends and neighbors: I sympathize with the bad situation migrants are in. However, Obama is just using you to get votes, since he’s lost all credibility with every other segment of his base. He wants you to get out and vote for Dems this fall.
Like the other segments of his base, he plans to do NOTHING for you. But the speech was pretty inspiring, now wasn’t it?
As Jane Hamsher said yesterday, Obamaa “needs a press release”.
She as per the usual, is quite correct. And this PR buys him time or until after the election in November. At that point, “the rubber hits the road”, and its Democratic Coalition has to make its “tough” decision.
Of course, there are alternatives, and I am thinking of Sherrod Brown.
Jaango
It was a great speech and the right one for the right time.
Once again, a pragmatic approach to a serious problem.
Of course, the right will go ballistic over the “pathway” thing, for the GOP has become so stupid these days, it doesn’t even see the importance of the hispanic voter block. Great, let Obama take 85% of the hispanic vote next time around, fine with me.