Economist Dean Baker, writing today in TARP Martyrs: The Post Mourns Politicians Who Lost for Helping the Banks, contends that the late-2008 TARP Wall Street bank bailout was not necessary.
First, he addresses risks to the commercial paper market,
The most immediate threat to the system, which Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke and others highlighted, was the risk that the commerical paper (CP) would shut down. They claimed that even healthy corporations were unable to borrow in the CP market. Since most large corporations depend on the CP market to finance their payroll and other ongoing expenses, the loss of this market would quickly cause the economy to grind to a halt.
. . . The Fed had the power to single-handedly support the CP market. In fact, the weekend after Congress approved the TARP Ben Bernanke announced the creation of a special lending facility to support the commerical paper market. So, that part of the financial Armageddon story was just a fairy tale for children, reporters and columnists, and members of Congress.
Then he addresses the threat of the giant banks collapsing,
Suppose the TARP money had not started flowing and we saw the chain of bank collapses continue. The two remaining independent investment banks, Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley, would surely have been killed absent TARP and other special assistance from the Fed. It is all but certain that Citigroup and Bank of America would have gone belly up as well, along with many other large financial instutitions.
Would this have led to financial Armageddon? Well, it surely would have created considerable disorder in the financial markets and led to a few million lawsuits, but the Fed and FDIC no doubt would have taken over these institutions to keep the system of payments operating. The Fed had a contingency plan to take over the money center banks in the 80s when they were threatened by large amounts of bad debt in Latin America. It is inconceivable that it did not have a similar plan in place following the collapse of Bears Stearns in March.
This means that “financial Armageddon” would have meant the demise of Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley and most of the other Wall Street titans, but probably would not have led to a qualitatively worse economic situation for the rest of us than what we actually saw.
In fact, he says, letting the giant Wall Street banks collapse would have ended the high-risk, credit-default-swap casino culture, and the culture of multi-million-dollar bonuses.
Baker also points out the huge cost to society of bailing out the banks while letting smaller businesses and regular people fall into bankruptcy. The government could have instead used that TARP funds to extend the credit that the bailed-out banks are not currently extending. Small and medium-sized businesses are in trouble across the country, and the government used up its political capital on the bailouts and the insufficient stimulus.
President Obama’s 2009 stimulus was an attempt to help Main Street instead of Wall Street, but was watered down by political ideology and a belief that they could “attract” conservative votes by removing many necessary elements of the package and wasting a third of it on tax cuts that leave nothing behind. As the economy begins to falter with the winding down of the stimulus, and the banks still not extending credit, it is becoming clear that the rushed TARP bailout was a mistake.
A new round of economic measures is clearly necessary. But by bailing out those at the top on extremely short notice the Bush administration used up the governments political ability to step in and, in a considered way, address the real problems underlying the economic mess. By watering down the stimulus and reinforcing a conservative narrative that “spending is the problem” the administration has undercut its own ability to step in with new measures.




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Ah, the banksters were bailed out so they could continue to gamble.
Why is this not at all a surprise?
Krugman put is clearly…the Republicans want to prevent any solutions under this administration so they can win elections. They do not care about middle class or main street. Solutions are available but politically blocked. The big money people do not live paycheck to paycheck. Lee and Associates owner moved into our town and started buying up properties with his new corp. I asked his wife how they are doing as commercial properties are underwater she said…”We are fine”.
I wrote several diaries at the Orange Satan opposing TARP before it passed. Hell of it is, the bit about freeing up capital to lend to Main Street was a total scam. Congressman Defazio and others proposed letting the dinosaurs fail and directly loaning to small business and consumers. Completely lost in the noise.
Matter of fact, the reaction at OS was as if I had proposed to steal everyone’s 401k and set it on fire.
It wouldn’t hurt to mention that Baker, Joe Stiglitz and many others were saying this at the time it happened.This isn’t second guessing or 20/20 hindsight. This was information known at the time for those peeking behind the media curtain.
Clearly it was the big money “earners” who got the bacon while the “little people” were left with nothing, no jobs, no hope, no houses.
The clip somewhere down the blog this AM illustrating the crises of capitalism mentioned that the “dream” of home ownership (and the high percentage of it in the US compared to many other countries, esp. Europe) was really designed to keep workers in debt so they could not strike.
That really hit me, never considered that as a strategy.
PS: I haven’t been here that long, a month or so, but I’ve been here long enough to notice that while there are some very smart people at Dkos, same as here, the average IQ here is at least 20 points higher.
Was beginning to winder if liberals in general were as stupid and knee-jerk as Tea Partiers.
Me either – but it makes sense.
TARP was absolutely NOT necessary, and TARP was the tip of a rather large sum of taxpayer dollars (over $8 TRILLION) used to bail out Wall ST.
As others mention above, there were MANY (including the American public) telling the government NOT to bail out Wall St.
Now that the wealthy have been bailed out (indeed, they gained money during the Wall St implosion and resulting depression), Obama is poised to cut SS benefits, and put the US on an absolutely insane austerity kick which will get him tossed out of the WH at the first opportunity.
While I didn’t write about it, in the GOS or otherwise, I also opposed the TARP transfers and continue to be against the majority of the various ways our government has kept those designated as too important to be tried for fraud on the public dole. At the time, I did post comments and had on-going email discussions with some of my somewhat more conservative friends that vote Democrat and it was much as you described.
Except of course, now Obama has setup a group to look into converting 401ks to federal annuities and Obama’s cat food commission is looking into ways to cut Social Security with far less concern from the same people. My guess is that conservative dems share the sense that the future requires that our businesses be bigger than everyone else’s business just has our weapons must be bigger than the rest of the world’s armies. Some sort of belief that the banks are a national defense issue.
As The Three Stooges would say, “Disorder in the Court.” Ever since the attacks on the twin towers were allowed to happen back in last 2001, many Americans have been extremely anxious, waiting with bated breath for the next mega-disaster to come our way. So we are open to any stupid crap that the corporate media will throw into our feed bin. Now we are being led by the nose by a new President who is more corporate than Bush, more imperialist than Bush and more of a Royalist Tyrant than Bush. The right-wing Republicans, aka Teabaggers are blinded by their white racist hatred of blacks and many the so-called “progressives” are in severe denial and cannot believe that they have been taken for a ride… And the so-called “progrssive” commentators on MSNBC, Ed, Keith and Rachel are too gutless to call for an end of our stupid pointless occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq. These imperial occupations will continue as long as corporations can make money over there…
Well, it sure seemed necessary to grow The New World Order, cause it’s killing everything else.
One of the things that continually amazes me is that even after 8 years of Bush lies, nearly everyone believed him when he told US this; and they still do as they watch the whole world economy institute IMF austerity measures against their citizens.
Flat out amazing.
Thing s are really heating up on HuffPo as the posters get scareder and scareder and are blaming, blaming, blaming. It really is getting kinda scary over there as a foretaste to “liberal” V “conservative”.
No wonder guns are allowed everywhere, we can kill each other off and the gov won’t have to do it. Cripes!
As someone said to me earlier today “you must watch alot of Fox”…..I’m kidding, he wasn’t
Tarp is to banks what Dred Scott was to slaveowners…… “Protectionism!”
Now that the banksters have the protection of law to exist and rape Americans of life and liberty, to perpetuate thier way of doing business at America’s expense we can expect tight money policies to further strangle the American dream. Remember slaveownwers would kill anyone who represented a threat to the institution of slavery. Corporate Servitude is no different. The conditioned mind and endless profit is the prize!
“Been here a month or so…” “20 point higher IQ ?” Guess you are a godsend, aye?
A comprehensive accounting of the total bailouts, including the Fed, is available at SourceWatch’s Real Economy Project: Total Wall Street Bailout Cost
GRAND TOTAL: $4.73 TRILLION DISBURSED $13.89 TRILLION MAX. AT-RISK $2.02 TRILLION OUTSTANDING
(I assisted with that project)
While I’m not a fan of people walking around packed, I am somewhat persuaded that Senators and Congressmen should once again be allowed to duel between themselves when personally offended on the floor.
I am not a big fan of Dean Rusk (actually, I am no fan of Dean Rusk at all, except:) The story is that, when one of his subordinates would come charging in with an apocolyptic threat that required immediate action, Rusk would look at him, point, and say, “Don’t just do something…stand there!” This is the advice osori says Baker, Stiglitz, et al gave at the time…and were totally ignored. And how much credit do they get for it in retrospect?
Consider the people we put in office. How many of them have the capacity to stop and think? And thinking, ask the questions? Afghanistan, Iraq, Gaza, the Patriot Act, the bail-out…the list is as long as the list of every action they have taken.
what are the qualifications for office in this country? What should they be? How are we to find out if a person is so qualified?
It was but another example of the ‘trickle down’(top down) approach by the governing elite. what is ironic is that so many pension funds were/are invested in the financial industry and the dissolution of those mentioned would have played havoc with those funds or so it was said(justified); but those same pension funds are STILL in deep shit without a shovel as is the PBGC.
I still cannot, for the life of me, figure out why we’re still keeping Fed rates at 0%, unless it’s explicitly to avoid dealing with our insolvent banking sector and a desire to fund a huge Carry Trade for its own sake.
“and a desire to fund a huge Carry Trade for its own sake.”; bingo !
Dave, thanks! I will read these!
I have been citing Nomi Prin’s numbers, available here:
http://www.nomiprins.com/reports/
$8.617 Trillion to Wall St.
$1.823 Trillion to citizens.
Along with the reports available from the SIGTARP:
http://www.sigtarp.gov/
Which has the infamous $23.7 Trillion in “Total Potential Support” at the bottom of Table 3.4 of the July 2009 report.
I would be very interested on your opinion on the above sources, and as to how much more is to be learned by auditing the Fed and digging deep into the AIG bailout.
I think the American public has been kept purposely in the dark as to the truly massive scope of the Wall St bailout, along with the problems faced with having zombie banks littering the landscape and writing the FinReg laws in DC.
These kinds of scenarios spun out by Dean Baker violate my common sense paradox. If Bush, Bernanke, Paulson, and Geithner had the common sense to deal with the meltdown, they would have had the common sense to avoid it. They didn’t so they didn’t.
Re the TARP, it was the gun to the head of lawmakers. Do this or you all die. Its original raison d’être was to buy up the crap assets of the banks via a reverse auction. Two things: Kashkari, the Paulson Goldman protégé, could not organize a one car parade. After floundering around with the auction for a bit, it was ditched. Instead a minor amendment lost in the text provided the authority for loans to banks under TARP. In the end, the TARP wasn’t needed. Bernanke at the Fed initiated much larger programs than the TARP to exchange their crap assets for cash. They also benefited from the ZIRP and the essentially unlimited backstop the Federal government and Fed afforded them. This is why Goldman and Morgan Stanley didn’t need TARP money. They were given the completely fictional status of bankholding companies and given access to government credit lines. So the TARP was not necessary. It was just after making such a production about it they couldn’t very well say, “Never mind.” Besides it was a useful distraction to everything else the Fed and government were doing.
Don’t forget we had to foot the bill for their pleasure.
After the initial shock I started to Think. This sure sounds like con job.
I am no great economic scholar or any kind of scholar for that matter.
I do know this when ever I have been pushed to rush a decision.
I have always been better of when taking a step back and taking my time to decide. Almost always someone was trying to rush me into a bad decision.
At the time I wrote all my elected representatives and some who weren’t and asked them pleaded and begged them to vote against the TARP.
I also wrote everybody I know (both of them lol) and pleaded and begged them to also write their elected representatives.
I was completely ignored, so what else is new lol.
Of course at that time I was still naive enough to believe that public opinion mattered or things would be different this time.
It was a complete scam
Sometime in 2007 or early 2008 Bernanke gave a speech or said in an interview that they could buy all the mortgages that were in foreclosure for $90B
Which if my math is right, is much less than the 700B in TARP money that Helicopter Ben threw at the Banksters to stop the crisis … which hasn’t gone away
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-mission-crest-html,0,5004031.htmlstory
Me a “Godsend”? Hardly. But this site did restore my faith that there was some intelligence out there – especially here.
Hey!
I think anyone who wants to go to war should step into a circle from which they cannot escape and duke it out until the last man is standing. That includes Cheney with his bad ticker. THAT would end the wars real fast.
Johnson quotes Dean Baker as saying,
Ben Bernanke has said several times they didn’t have authority to do that. I’m glad we didn’t wait for the economy to collapse, so we could test whether Dubya would become Herr Fuhrer Dubya.
The stimulus was an attempt (which succeeded) in stabilizing the financial system. It was done as cheaply as possible to avoid running up the nation’s debt.
Now, as the economy is faltering you can look to the end of the stimulus, but it’s more sensible, I think, to look to the lack of business leadership which is simply keeping the faucet turned off. We’re well past the TARP and the stimulus, but it’s clear they did the job as designed. Now where is the natural recovery of confidence and activity to match the stock market’s expectations?
I don’t believe a new stimulus will do much if the business community won’t do their part. They can simply wait until the gov’t money runs dry and then claim it didn’t work. As the media would say, “The Obama Democrats have failed when faced with political in-fighting.” No mention of Republican opposition causing any failure will be seen.
Second-guessing things the Dems and the Fed have done to save and fix the economy is what the media want Americans to do. They will not inform the public that things have gone well so far, but that Rich Republican Businessmen, perhaps the Business Roundtable group, have simply put on the brakes and intend to kill the Democrat’s chances in November, so they can return to a Republican gov’t which will ensure them low taxes, no regulations and caviar for all Rich Republicans and dogfood for everyone else.
That statement is wrong on so many levels that it would hard to see where to start. Imagining that the current policies of Obama, with respect to the bailouts, is different from Bush’s is incorrect. Suggesting that it is a good enough reason to ignore fraud and hundreds of billions handed to banks and financial institutions based on the simple hope that they can spend so much taxpayer capital that the economy will fix itself cannot possibly be a reasonable course.
You conflate the stimulus spending with the bank bailouts. They are two completely separate issues. TARP had absolutely nothing to do with the jobs stimulus spending. The fact that the job stimulus was a failure is not a proper defense for spending even more money rather than making sure that poor banking decisions are handled by the banks and not by wasting trillions in taxpayer debt.
You conflate the stimulus spending with the bank bailouts. They are two completely separate issues. TARP had absolutely nothing to do with the jobs stimulus spending.
And that’s where you’re wrong. What’s the saying, history is a lied agreed upon. The public conflates stimulus spending with the bank bailout and that’s become an enormous problem for the Obama administration. There’s no way they can get a second stimulus package through because of public outrage at the bank bailout.
NY Times reporter Andrew Ross Sorkin had some good tick tock scenes in his book Too Big To Fail. Both Paulson and Kashkari at Tsy as well as Geithner at New York Fed all apparently believed that the Fed had authority to settle everything itself with its lending authority. Which of course it did (see Sect. 13(3) of the Federal Reserve Act), but Bernanke wouldn’t jump unless the Administration and Congress jumped with him. Seeing as how Bernanke’s mismanagement of the banking system played such a big part in ensuring Obama’s election, its only fair that Obama re-appointed him.
http://www.federalreserve.gov/aboutthefed/section13.htm
THIS IS THE GREATEST HEIST IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD. WE ROB A CONVENIENCE STORE AND WE GO TO PRISON FOR 7 YEARS.
Our corrupt leaders have hit it out of the ballpark. We sit back and watch wall street and our politicians pocket the money$$$$.
Hey lets cut social security for the small people, who were kind enough to bail out the BANKSTERS.
Isn’t capitalism great for the elite????
Thanks for the link. Isn’t the max bailout technically infinite since they moved Fannie and Freddy bailouts to be unlimited?
As for those who opposed TARP both then and now, add James Galbraith and Bill Black to the list.
To me, the TARP felt like a bank robbery. I remember the polls tended to put public support for TARP under 20%.
Also, have financial accounting rules been tightened up? Last I remember, rules were loosened up so much that highly insolvent banks could stay in business. I don’t see any reason to believe that banks are now solid if accounting rules are still extra-lax.
” The fact that the job stimulus was a failure”
The stimulus was insufficient, not a failure.