It’s a bit jarring that it’s taken the Josh Marshall empire this long to plug in to the looming reality of the cat food commission and their drive to cut Social Security. Marshall led the fight online against Bush’s privatization scheme, but has laid low as the Bowles-Simpson commission organized themselves. But in a piece from Brian Beutler, finally the growing rhetoric is getting a notice, particularly for increases in the retirement age.
Several of the most powerful members of the House — Republicans and Democrats — have recently voiced real support for the idea of raising the retirement age for people middle-aged and younger as part of a larger plan to reduce long-term deficits, inching closer to what not too long ago was the third rail of American politics [...]
House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer explicitly put the idea on the table as well in a speech last month. “We should consider a higher retirement age or one pegged to lifespan,” Hoyer said.
He echoed House Majority Whip James Clyburn, who put it this way: “With minor changes to the program such as raising the salary cap and raising the retirement age by one month every year, the program could become solvent for the next 75 years.” One month a year may not sound like much, but if you’re 30 years away from retirement, that adds up to almost three years.
In the House, though, Nancy Pelosi is the linchpin, and she’s not nearly as enthusiastic as her colleagues. But, notwithstanding the enthusiasm gap, she also left the possibility of raising the retirement age on the table. When asked about it by TPMDC at her press conference last week, she criticized the plan, but mainly to say she disagrees with putting Social Security on the chopping block ahead of other measures. “Why they would start talking about a place that could be harmful to our seniors — 70 is a relative age,” Pelosi said. “Around here, there’s not a lot of outdoor work or heavy lifting. But for some people it is, and 70 means something different to them. So in any event let’s talk about growth, lets talk about how we can reduce spending, lets put everything, those initiatives: promoting growth, tightening the belt, looking at entitlements. But let’s not start on the backs of our seniors.”
Pelosi, of course, orchestrated last week’s vote which committed the House (though not statutorily) to voting on any Senate-passed recommendations of the cat food commission.
Increasing the payroll tax cap to capture the 90% of salary which was the historical benchmark would cover close to half of the long-term Social Security funding issues, which are relatively minor compared to all other federal spending. Eliminating the payroll tax cap would eliminate that long-term issue entirely and allow for a modest increase in benefits. The choice to raise the retirement age is a choice to essentially give richer Americans a large tax cut. And that’s the choice Steny Hoyer, James Clyburn and arguably Nancy Pelosi are making. Raising the retirement age is a benefit cut over the lifetime of the program, and it breaks the promise of Social Security.
I got in a small Twitter spat before leaving last week for vacation with someone who was convinced that the Senate would never vote for any of the cat food commission recommendations, for a variety of reasons. In the first place, the solution would be balanced with tax increases, and Republicans would never go for them. But Republicans on the panel are singing its praises precisely because of the focus on spending cuts to the exclusion of tax increases. Next he said that Democratic Senators wouldn’t go along with anything that fell harshly on the side of cuts, but the words of Hoyer and Clyburn certainly show the possibility for Democratic leaders to agree, and you can tick off a handful of conservative Senate Democrats willing to show their fiscal responsibility bona fides without even thinking hard about it.
It would be good to see people wake up to this reality. Perhaps nothing will come out of the commission. Perhaps Republicans will see a tax and just vote it down. Perhaps 41 Democrats will stick together. But one thing is clear – with no pushback from the grassroots, politicians will feel quite free to mess with Social Security and build a bipartisan DC consensus against the public.




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This a “sheer speculation post” and therefore, be advised.
Would Hispanics, universally withhold their votes for all Democratic members/candidates for this November election cycle, cause the Democratic Coalition to change direction and in favor of opposition to any changes to Social Security, and relative to the ‘wants’ of the Cat Food Commission?
I think not. And for one sole reason. Take, for example, Hispanics throughout the Southwest and West have now come to realize that the Democratic Coalition has been shattered. And this notional is premised on Arizona’s SB 1070 and where the majority of Arizona’s white Democrats support SB 1070. Thus, the political trust among Hispanics for white America’s political leadership in Congress, is at it’s lowest level since the 1960s.
Consequently, Democratic leadership ‘selling out’ the middle class and the economic disadvantaged, is the predominant view in the Spanish-speaking community, and Presidendt Obama will not be able to stem this tide between now and November, given that this meme now incorporates those “worthless Democrats”.
Jaango
I think not. And for one sole reason. In Arizona, Hispanics now realize that the Democratic Coalition has been shattered given the onset of SB 1070. And this ‘reason’ has not percolated into the entire Southwest and West.
Consequently, what white Americans decide to do, as to “taking in the butt” by their fellow Democrats, aren’t going to change what entire Democratic Congress decises to do.
My apologies to all for not doing the appropriate edit, and unfortunately for me, the available edit tool informed me that my time has run out. And an accurate statement if there ever was one.
Jaango
For the past 18 months that I have been here at the Lake, my postings have concentrated on the nexus that has been Hispanics and American politics, writ large and small.
Today, if I were to pontificate, I would fully understand that one of the major leadership entities, advanced an agenda of six issues, three that encompassed Calendar Years 2009 and 2010. The remaining three agenda ‘issues’ will cover Calendar Years 2011 and 2012. For this election cycle, the three issues were 1) “open access” to the VA, Medicare, and Indian Health Services, 2) Immigration reform, and 3) Jobs.
Since a Democratic administration that is determined not “to listen” to Hispanics, is determined not to succeed, as this is the Hispanic point of view.
And if Hispanics are correct in understanding that the Democratic Coalition is no longer applicable, “progressives”, “aggressive” Moderates and Center-Left, will no longer have the votes to have a “viable leverage” or to even maintain a semblance of control within Congress and the White House. Thus, a political split in the Hispanic community is destined to occur. And the ‘timing’ becomes virtualy irrelevant, since Obama loses in 2012.
As such, you are going to be hearing many ‘quiet’ voices speaking to these same concerns that I am expressing. And if you don’t, your obvious ‘connect’ to the Hispanic community does not exist.
Jaango
Meanwhile, Chief Catfood Commissioner and Peterson Puppet Max Baucus thanks Obama for letting Maxie’s very good friend Liz Fowler write the WellPoint HCR Bill by shivving him over the Berwick appointment:
Not that Baucus actually did anything to push Berwick’s nomination, just as he never did anything to push Dawn Johnsen’s or any other Obama nomination.
Welcome to the party, Josh. Better late than never.
Great piece, D-Day. Mmmmmm….Friskies….
What’s this? Rumblings of reality in the Great American Nanny State? All is not milk and honey at the Big Public Teat? The hogs are beginning to fight over the dregs in the Great Welfare Trough? The Glorious Free Ride is unsustainable?
Ah don’t worry about it, just print some more money.
Can’t have it both ways, you two-faced hag…
So who do you work for, Boehner or Cantor? Let me guess: Boehner. He allows you free access to his tanning parlour.
No one should ever say the Speaker lacks a sense of humor.
If you had ever had a job, you would know SS is not a free ride.
With the trolls acting more and more like second or third graders with twist in their diapers around here lately, and a quick glance at the calendar telling me school’s out, I suppose it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out where these assholes come from.
Sure will be nice when school gets to be year round I gues..
This attention being given to Social Security is all about political crappola. And how do you solve this evident crappola?
Take, for example, the Senate, at the commencement of this Congress, Senator Reid should have said to all Democratic Senators, “You have full authority to craft, from start to finish, legislation that is important to you. Once completed, the Democratic Caucus will vote on your legislation, and if found acceptable by the majority of the Caucus, your legislation will go to the affected Committee, and the Chairman will vote out your legislation affirmatively, and as such, you will have an up or down vote on the Senate floor.”
In doing so, Senator Reid could better “manage and control” the Senate Divas. And if this process was in place, we would be finding that No Democratic Senator would legislate on Social Security. Moreover, Senator Baucus wouldn’t dare attempt to lose his Chairmanship for his inability to deliver on the required legislation of his Democratic colleagues.
And because this “process” is not in place, Reid and his leadership team are either unwilling or unable to deliver any Caucus “discipline”. And of course, Obama doesn’t care what happens in the Senate, other than he is willing to sign onto anything that will demonstrate that he too can deliver, and always done at the behest of the Senate Democrats and equally important the Senate Republicans are the perceived cherry on his cupcake.
Jaango
Our FICA contributions funded tax cuts for the rich. Even so, the SS trust fund has enough assets to pay all benefits through 2043 per the CBO, with no changes.
Our government is basically a criminal enterprise designed, in part, to funnel money to the top 1%.
The choice is really very simple for our elites, to continue to loot or to maintain some level of security for older Americans. Which do you think they will choose?
As I have pointed out before, the big name being left out of all this is Barack Obama’s. Obama created the cat food commission and saw to it that it was stacked with anti-Social Security and Medicare types. He wants to slash these programs and cut benefits. Pelosi has already folded. Now people are putting their hopes in the US Senate, that it is such a dysfunctional institution nothing will happen or that the Republicans will block it. How lame is that? How likely? We should be shouting from the rooftops that Obama wants to cut your Social Security, Nancy Pelosi wants to cut your Social Security, Dick Durbin and Harry Reid want to cut your Social Security. At the least, we should be exploring the possibility of a write-in against Pelosi. That would make one great political slogan, “Pelosi or Social Security, you choose.”
As for TPM, it is still very much part of the veal pen. Of course, it has been late to this. And look how even now it pulls its punches:
Yet she is the one who snuck in on the sly the call for a vote on the cat food commission’s recommendations. TPM and Josh Marshall, like the rest of the veal pen, are really facilitators of all this.
On the bright side, some of the privatized portion of SS will be invested in Nestle’.
It’s a bit jarring that it’s taken the Josh Marshall empire this long to plug into the looming reality of the cat food commission and their drive to cut Social Security.
Not jarring at all Dave. Josh has become a Yes Sir Democrat who probably runs his stories through the DNC PR department first for approval. Its summer, and Marshall is probably on vacation. No doubt a tamer, more Obama-friendly piece will be published over at TPM in the coming days (hours).
It may not be “law” that the vote be held, but a vote like this isn’t done for no reason.
It was put in there to cover Pelosi’s ass, just as Jane suggested.
Let’s say it’s December, and the Senate has just passed the cat food recommendations that include raising the age of retirement, as well as a 10% cut in benefits for those not yet retired. It has now passed the Senate, and the focus of attention will turn to the House.
Many talking heads will pontificate about Pelosi’s next move, while also getting the “word” out there in the mainstream that since the House voted that this vote should occur, Pelosi really should “honor” the House vote.
And Pelosi will call a news conference wherein she bemoans reducing the deficit on the backs of our seniors but allows as how she is the Speaker of the WHOLE House, not just the Democrats, and as Speaker of the WHOLE House she feels it’s in her duty as Speaker to honor the sense of the House vote already taken on this topic.
Done. Fini. Complete. All with Pelosi claiming she really had no choice, a view amplified by the press loudmouths for days prior. You can’t blame Pelosi now can you?
Someone figures out a better reason for adding that language to a budget resolution (or some type of damned resolution, first it’s a budget, then it’s not really a budget, yikes!) in July, please tell me. I’m all ears.
Maybe somebody can help me out here. I thought tax increases had to originate in the House. If that’s so, and Peosi gets her fervent wish, doesn’t that mean that whatever comes out of the senate (first) must contain only benefit cuts? Does the ‘commission’ setup of this thing change that?
Seems important.
OFG,
Do you ever have anything of substance to offer? Or does your entire contribution consist of lame putdowns, tediously unfunny cliches, and nasty name-calling?
If you do have something intelligent and mature to say, I would love to read it.
Excellent prognostication. I’m sure that’s Pelosi’s plan.
Bitter, table of you.
: )
*G*
Please don’t feed…
Some in the comments to the TPM article get it
readytoblowagasket
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July 7, 2010 9:47 AM
TPM is finally waking up to what Obama has been saying all along. Like in January 2009:
President-elect Barack Obama pledged yesterday to shape a new Social Security and Medicare “bargain” with the American people, saying that the nation’s long-term economic recovery cannot be attained unless the government finally gets control over its most costly entitlement programs.
What the fuck did you think he meant when he said this?
T Groan
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July 7, 2010 10:03 AM in reply to readytoblowagasket
but you see Obama is a democrat and on propaganda sites such as this, the democrat party is the party of light, happiness, and all things good.
Once the democrats start attacking social security you’ll see other propaganda sites and their mindless devotees (freerider etc.) praising whatever action obama supports.
I emailed Josh Marshall as I said I would a week ago over TPM’s silence over Social Security. No response.
Do you ever have anything of substance to offer? Or does your entire contribution consist of lame putdowns, tediously unfunny cliches, and nasty name-calling?
If you do have something intelligent and mature to say, I would love to read it.
For those who missed it I highly recommend James Galbraith‘s statement to the Catfood Commission.
Nah, Friskies is too expensive a cat food for the seniors whose social security will be cut to eat. It will be no-name store brands, probably manufactured in China, and contaminated with melamine and god-knows-what-else. And bought at Big Lots, past its expiration date.
Sorry, two other good comments from the TPM article…
Vertigo
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July 7, 2010 11:28 AM
“That package is being put together by President Obama’s deficit and debt commission, and will be ready to go after the midterms.”
Folks, THAT little factoid is what TPM, its readers and progressives generally need to be focusing on. Just exactly what are Obama and Rahm up to here? Is this not a stealth effort, probably cooked up by their Wall Street paymasters, to slip social security privatization and other conservative “reforms” past the American people before anyone knows what hit us? Why isn’t TPM covering this like white on rice the way it did a few years ago when Bush tried to foist SS privatization on the public and was beaten back? At whose behest was this “commission” created, who made the rules (e.g., zero transparency) and why are they trying to accomplish what Bush could not, by attaching the “reforms” to another piece of legislation? If light — and heat — aren’t shown on this and fast, it will be too late and we’ll all have to suffer with another initiative designed by, and to benefit, Big Business and conservatives.
Continuum
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July 7, 2010 11:29 AM
Someone needs to explain to me, why the Republicans were able to give huge tax breaks to the billionaires and super wealthy during the Repulican Bush administration.
But, now under a Democratic Congress and President, we now have to screw the middle and working classes.
Isn’t time to start a third, genuinely progressive party because surely the Democratic party is no longer up to the task.
What else would you expect from a woman that single handedly gutted the
constitution by removing impeachment through her edict rather than a messy
constitutional amendment process to remove the possibility to impeach forever.
Impeachment off the table suspended the proper constitutional remedies.
If the economy grows at the same rate, or slightly less than that, as it did the last 75 years there will be no Social Security shortfall for many decades to come. Even in a worst case shortfall scenario where SS is funded at 74% of the current level the future SS benefits will actually be higher in constant dollars than thsy are now because benefits are scheduled to expand. Besides even Paul Volcker, who supports benefit cuts, admitted that cutting SS will not reduce the deficit at all but will show the foreign markets that the U.S. is willing to make tough choices regarding the debt. Total bullshit!!!!!
Talk and blog posting and networking are not going to win this battle.
The only way to win this battle is massive protest marches. On DC. In major cities. Outside the local offices of Senators and Congresscritters. Outside the suburban DC area residences of Congressional leaders.
It’s simple: put the fear of God in them, or lose.
“Increasing the payroll tax cap to capture the 90% of salary…”
Bollocks. Either you pay out what you take by raising the benefits as well (then nothing changes), or you are taxing – then you finally moved Social Security from entitlement we pay for to welfare. FDR was smarter than this, but I guess that is the progressive part of it.
Mostly I agree with what you’re saying. That said, I feel that there’s a type of “socialism” for the obscenely wealthy in this nation, in that they’re not paying their fare share of taxes, imo. that’s just me, but I know many others feel the same way.
So one way to recover some of THAT loss is via raising the Soc Sec cap.
Seems that the lower and middle classes always have gotten screwed to the benefit of the very wealthy. But we can at least get back to the fact that there’s little problem with Soc Sec right now and for a number of years to come. What’s happening is that the obscenely wealthy are trying to rip off what most of us have paid into it.
Witness the trolls lately who skip in here to inform us that somehow this, too, is the dreaded “socialism,” and that we serfs certainly don’t deserve the money that we contributed… for some reason, it makes more sense to rightwing people to give all of our hard-earned and hard-saved money to rich people. I disagree.
But I digress from the original theme – yes, in theory, if the cap is raised, then the pay-outs should be raised accordingly. But raising the cap is still one means of increasing the size of the “pot,” and in theory, that should increase the income earned on it, too. Hence…
Hilarious. Being a label reader (for myself and my menagerie), I didn’t even have to click the link.
Pelosi is a backhanded Republican. She works for the same masters as the Republican party and her whole role is about giving the appearance of a two party system, when in fact, there is only one. She functions in a role that works much like the backhanded complement. She’s the kind of woman that goes on and on about her weight in the presents of people who are much bigger than her. Or talks about her exorbitant vacation in your thread bare living room sounding like she’s your best friend. Why, because she is someone that knows how to abuse when smiling like sugar wouldn’t melt in her mouth.
Pelosi serves industry and she serves the desires of that industry to keep a very vulnerable and exploitable workforce. Hence the phony health care bill written by the Heritage Foundation, one of the most evil groups on the planet.
Third Party NOW.
Nothing will EVER “Change” until America wises up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9QD1GlWOQQ
Pelosi says they have listened to the American people and then actually thanks the medical health care industry for allowing them to enact a bill that enslave everyone to them. Duplicity as a high art.
If we can’t tax the rich, can we at least eat them ?
They’ll figure out a way no only to cut SS benefits and raise the retirement age but the real thing they want is to “privatize it” ( steal all the money). This is going to be another Healthcare fiasco where the BIG Wall st. Vandals and Visigoths are going to get their greedy hands into SS and Barry will be selling it top everyone as shinola. This guy is worse then BV$H far worse.