I wanted to circle back to this point I made on our foreclosure panel that I really do think expresses both the frustration and the danger I and some other commentators are feeling about the situation. Simply put, HAMP is hurting liberalism. It’s putting a face of bureaucratic incompetence on a program designed to help people. It’s making the lives of its participants worse while promising to make it better. It’s adding to their indebtedness and failing to reduce their principal.
Of course, we know that it’s not a liberal program in any way, with its maddening structure as a public-private partnership where the lender doesn’t have to make any changes to the mortgage unless they determine it in their best interest to do so. And that design was a conscious choice, not the result of legislative compromise. I have to laugh at that sliver of the liberal commentariat who constantly excuses the President and the Administration for having to make painful choices given the Congress they have. The President, you see, isn’t that powerful, and must work within those legislative constraints. But none of this is true with respect to HAMP. The Administration designed this entirely on their own, using money already appropriated. And they designed it terribly.
In fact, they lied right from the beginning, according to Sen. Jeff Merkley, who was also on the panel. He was told that the White House would devote $50-$100 billion in TARP money to homeowners and that they would fight for cramdown (what he would rather call lifeline bankruptcy) when it came up in Congress. These were the conditions under which Merkley voted to release the second tranche of the TARP money. And neither of these two things really came to pass. The White House stood mute as cramdown failed, and though HAMP is supposed to have $75 billion in backup, they’ve spent less than one-half of one percent of it.
Without the threat of a bankruptcy judge modifying the mortgage as a hammer on the side of homeowners to get lenders to comply, the HAMP design totally failed. It was no longer in the financial interest of the lenders to do anything, and so millions of people come into a system and get really nothing out of it. They end up more indebted and just float along, propping up the banks who don’t want to acknowledge the bad loans still on their books. This was the Administration’s design, specifically Gene Sperling’s design, according to reports. And as I said on the panel, he should be fired for the damage he’s causing. Obama is famous for saying he only cares about what works. Well, this isn’t working.
The more important damage is to those getting no relief on their mortgages, falling victim to predatory lending for the second time, first from the loan officers and now from the government. But on another level, it’s only confirming what Ronald Reagan famously said, that the most dangerous words in America are “I’m from the government and I’m here to help.” That’s true when a neoliberal, extend-and-pretend scheme designed more to save the banks from reality than help people gets implemented. Those people getting foreclosed or losing everything they’ve got can point the finger at one thing, that government didn’t provide a safety net for their struggles. As Elizabeth Warren said on the panel, in the 1930s we had a belief that government could step in and help us with our problems. And that has faded. It faded over the last thirty years with a coordinated demonization of government and it’s fading now because the group in the White House has a different worldview, one oriented toward the banks over the people. And so how can you tell the guy in this story to vote for Democrats ever again?
At the foreclosure panel I went to, HuffPo’s Ryan Grim, who had been inteviewing people around town, told the story of a 50something guy who was going to lose a house he’d put $100K down on. A lot of the Tales Of Foreclosure Hell have focused on people who bought houses with little money down and who therefore in some sense didn’t lose much, but there are a lot of people who did lose/will lose their life savings over this.
I get the occasional angry email because I’m not hopey changey enough, but right now I’m angry at the administration over HAMP. It was their baby, it didn’t require Congressional action of any kind, and when it was introduced the usual suspects said it was unlikely to help people. More than that, it’s actually hurting people, extracting payments during the extend and pretend period before finally chucking people out.
Ironically, that guy did say he’d vote for Harry Reid over Sharron Angle. But over time, he knows that the government did not step in to help when his work dried up and everything he worked so hard to create went away. And millions of people join him in that belief. And so the idea of government as a backstop for those facing troubled times, as a great equalizer between the average people and the seats of power, just crumbles.
I was talking to Jack Conway, the Senate candidate from Kentucky, and he said that the biggest issues from constituents on the campaign trail are spending and jobs. I asked if he explains that the two are contradictory, and he explained that people don’t see it that way, that they’ve concluded that more public spending will not create jobs but just go to the banks on Wall Street. I don’t know if the Administration understands how pernicious this game they’re playing is. It could last for a generation.
This program is not just a terrible deal for struggles homeowners – it’s a terrible confirmation of government not working. It needs to stop and those responsible need to be fired, before it consumes the entire progressive project in its wake.
UPDATE: Gene Sperling may not have been as intimately connected with the design of HAMP, the Home Affordable Mortgage Program, as I and others have reported. We’re still working on this one.




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HAMP was designed to pretend to do something. The key was it wouldn’t cost anything. We cannot afford to bailout homeowners when the bill for the GSE’s and the FHLB is going to be $3 trillion, paid to the lenders.
HAMO is hurting liberalism because is not and never was a liberal, and so his so-called “liberal” programs have instead been bailouts for the bank.
HAMP has not harmed liberalism, liberals identifying Barack Obama as a liberal have harmed liberalism.
Tim Geithner continues to bail-out banks because Obama wants it.
The administration cowers in fear before Breitbart and his racist accomplices because Obama wants it.
Pot decriminalization is off the table because Obama wants it.
DADT is being slow walked because Obama wants it.
Women on risk pools are forced to carry their babies to term because Obama wants it.
We are escalating in Afghanistan because Obama wants it.
Torture, military commissions, and obsessive secrecy continue because Obama wants it.
Barack Obama not only makes Richard Nixon look like a flaming liberal, he makes Bill Clinton look like a flaming liberal.
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Last Friday we learned the names of some more of the AIG counterparties that were bailed out with our tax dollars. More foreign banks, wall street firms and Hedge Funds – and it all was a seamless, perfect transfer of public wealth to private coffers.
HAMP hasn’t worked because it was designed to fail. There are just not enough words for how egegious this failure is by this administration and they should be politically curxified for it. And, of course, shutting the program down will suit them just fine.
“This was the Administration’s design, specifically Gene Sperling’s design, according to reports.”
I think Ryan Grim misspoke on this one. HAMP was created by the White House economic team and administered by the Office of Financial Stability, directed by Neel Kashkari initially and then Herb Allison. I don’t think Sperling designed or implemented HAMP.
The inside line is that it was Sperling’s baby.
I would have to say that the administration is HAMPering the economic recovery with schemes like this one!
Also, two more links about Kashkari, from Jason Linkins at HuffPost… Kashkari has just recently jumped on the “let’s kill entitlements” bandwagon, especially that Social Security thingy. What took him so long?! Linkins writes about how mean people were to Kashkari in DC, where it is soooo unlike Wall Street.
Really?
Don’t confuse liberals and partisans. The apologists aren’t anywhere near as interested in liberal policy as they are in the number of people in government with a D versus the number of people in government with an R. It’s really that simple. D = flowers and bunnies and ribbons and all things good. I’m a liberal, Lanny Davis is a partisan, despite the fact that he likes to call himself liberal too.
I watched the clip of that panel and it was first-rate…as is this post.
Indeed, and I will guarantee you that the economic wreckage plays right into the hands of the Republican party (and tea baggers, for that matter), and they will not hesitate to exploit it in 2010 and 2012. “See? Gubnint really doesn’t work…”
It is inconceivable to me how the WH can be so blind on this.
Not to appear overly dense, but what is HAMP?
HAMP like every other scheme hatched by the Treasury and the Fed is a bailout of those financial folks on Wall Street that thought that they would protected from any stupid market gambles via the U.S. taxpayer. Geithner has done his utmost to make sure that is true and will continue to be the case in the foreseeable future. HAMP didn’t support principle reductions because it would help home buyers at the expense of banker profits and would have reduced the marked value of loan assets. HAMP only targeted underwater loans that were most likely to cost the bank. Those loans that would have only helped the homeowner because they already had a good chance of being paid back were not eligible. Those loans that had no chance of being successful from the banks point of view were likewise ineligible. All of the rules and tests for later success were controlled by the bank. HAMP is a corporate bank welfare scheme, plain and simple.
HAMP didn’t fail because it’s only point was to pump taxpayer money into banks that had made bad loans. In that it succeeded perfectly.
Yes, there’s a huge difference between the two. I like this site so much because it doesn’t have the partisan hypocrisy that seems to increasingly drive things. I don’t always agree with things on here, but I know that for the most part they are said genuinely rather than as part of partisan gamesmanship, which would be saying the exact opposite if the circumstances were different.
boy oh boy David, I have been making pragmatists heads explode with this all day
o/t
Wikileaks Founder Julian Assange will be on the Dylan Ratigan Show today at 4 pm Eastern – Cenk of Young Turks will be sitting in for Ratigan
Might be a pretty good show.
I don’t know if the Administration understands how pernicious this game they’re playing is. It could last for a generation.
Don’t be naive. They don’t care. This HAMP is part of their plan to protect the Elites while reducing the small amount of power and prestige the middle and working classes
currentlyused to enjoy.Union busting, benefit reductions (i.e. “cut spending”) and killing Social Security/Medicare are more elements to this grand plan.
It’s why I say everyone underwater on a mortgage should stop paying on it…immediately. Strategic Defaults.
I think so, we might actually get to hear something about the material and the Supplemental Vote instead of the usual village navel-gazing as to it’s legitimacy
Precisely. “Content? What’s that?”
Home Affordable Modification Plan (HAMP)
Our moderate Republican president welcomes all criticism from the Left, though you must remember when you get into the voting booth that the Right is infinitely worse.
It’s so ridiculous!! All I want is for the banks to be held accountable to the law and to give up their ill gotten fees. Fees for cashing my checks electronically (10 bucks without my permission). Fees for property inspection (35 every month). Fees for lawyers….so gutsy that they just have “miscellaneous fees: 10,000.00 dollars). Yes, folks that is why these people are in foreclosure.
And I don’t know that I will be able to forgive Obama for ignoring the law breaking. My lender GMAC (first homecomings financial and Cerebus), violated TILA laws, and RESPA laws while I was in foreclosure. My foreclosure occurred when my ex of 10 years suddenly quit paying child support (1400 a month after losing a custody battle to take my teen boys out of the state at ages 12, 14). He had paid for 10 years auto pay into my account. One month the payment just wasn’t there. He quit is his job and moved. With that came bank fees. It took several months for me to catch up and he ended up 12,000 behind before finally paying me several years later. I managed to make the house payment for the next 6 years despite the lack of child support but once the foreclosure bomb went off, the fees became ridiculous and were completely unregulated. The behaviors of the bank were deplorable. Not answering phone messaging, improperly applying fees, escrow account shortages, penalties, month after month. It felt as if the bank had their hands in our pocket book and we could do nothing to stop them. My credit rating was 760, and was destroyed in the process of this mess.
The pain and anguish involved here is unspeakable. The health problems, the stress correlations. It’s just so completely wrong, that our government not only won’t help us, but worse yet, won’t stop them from their illegal behaviors!!!! GMAC!!! Obama do you hear me??? GMAC still doing their shenanigans. Still violating laws. STill have misapplied payments and fees on my account. WE owned them for a while you still didn’t fix it!!!
It’s another money funnel from the US Treasury to the banks.
The Obama admin claims that they desiged it to help homeowners in danger of forclosure. But it’s not helping homeowners, they are still ending up in forclosure. Pretty much it just helps the banks.
There is a two class system in the US today. The upper class with all the power and money and the lower class that does all the work and gets very little in return with the upper class fighting tooth and nail to prevent us from getting anything. President Obama is in the upper class, what do you expect?
Words seem not to phase this guy, in that respect he is just like Tony Hayward, they only worry when action is the watch word for the lower class.
Smoking torches and shiny pitchforks are the only thing that scares the upper class.
That’s why I’m here.
Which right? There’s two of em.
thank you for previewing my next post.
Liberals supporting Democrats and their anti-liberal policies like HAMP is hurting liberals.
Just saw masaroff at #2. I owe you a drink.
This is really the crux of the matter, isn’t it, David? More precisely, how do you tell anybody who believes in progressive/liberal/socialist/whatever-we’re-calling-ourselves-this-week causes to ever vote for ANY corporate-owned party ever again?
Corporatism certainly gets its share of derision and disdain here at FDL, but derision and disdain isn’t going to change Thing One (the euphemistic Thing One, not the Dr. Seuss Thing One…)
In all seriousness, we’re all pretty pissed off, but the question that is oft asked but seldom answered here – let alone even acknowledged – is WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT IT, AND WHAT ARE WE WAITING FOR?
Your question, better asked David, is not “…how can you tell the guy in this story to vote for Democrats ever again?” but “WHY would anybody still espousing Democratic values of old tell ANYONE to vote for what passes as a Democrat these days?”
The next voice you hear will be that of Jason Rosenbaum, telling us to vote for Democrats…
bonus o/t
looks like Greenwald will be on the Ratigan show as well – 4pm Eastern/MSNBC
It has been argued on plenty of econ blogs that the banks made out like bandits on their bad loans specifically because of TARP, HAMP and FASB (Financial Accounting Standards Board) changing the rules for mark-to-market. In the case of HAMP, if it had not been there then the banks would have been much more motivated to protect their investment by negotiating principle reductions. A principle reduction would have been much better for the person paying the loan and would have been better than nothing for the banks. Instead Geithner stepped in and stepped on home buyers in order to protect the bottom lines for the banks. HAMP effectively made principle reductions impossible to get. Doing nothing would have been better for people who were underwater on their loans.
Uygur, Assange and Greenwald on the same show? These guys have gone off the deep end. Good. And…
In your face, Fox News.
It’s hurting the entire country. And doing so in much the same way that small government would hurt the country.
The only difference between a criminal run big government and a small government is that with big government the crooks have to steal thier way into the system before throttling us. But with small government, there’s nothing standing in thier way. They could throttle us at thier leisure.
What has Obama done that hasn’t hurt liberalism?
Yesterday you stated:
That sounds about as “partisan” as one can get and firmly in the “apologist” category. Why should any politician listen to your voice when they know they will get your vote no matter what they do? They might as well vote with their campaign contributors since they don’t have to worry about your vote.
As for HAMP, as with so many other issues, how many people made the usual excuses for President Obama at the time instead of speaking out?
No argument here!
I liked the cramdown idea but the crooks in DC threw that idea under the bus.
That was my first reaction, too. What the heck is HAMP? I knew ACORN was having some success keeping people in their homes after foreclosure, but we all know what happened to them.
I’d say to vote for third parties or to write-in names. As a matter of protest, I think I’m going to probably write-in Jane. If people write-in Jane, it’s going to be hard for the Democrats to claim that they lost because they were too liberal…they’ll of course try, but they wont be taken seriously. It’s not that the write-in has any chance (that wouldn’t be the purpose of the write-in), but it is better than staying home as it sends a clear message as it can send a clear message as to who voters thinks represents them.
Ain’t this how revolutions start? France, in the 18th century, Russia in the 20th century.
Margaret is no Democrat apologist as her eyes are open in that regard, just different people on FDL have varying views as far as how different or similar the Democrats are versus the Republicans. I would agree with you in that the only way to be taken seriously is to have losing your vote be a bona fide threat, but I don’t that others have differing views necessarily makes them an apologist.
The Ryan Grim story was heart rending. We have to do something to help people like that man and the 15m unemployed. Call me partisan, but I’ll be damned if I can vote for the likes of Sharron Angle or Rand Paul who will destroy what little is left. They are coming for SS and medicare as we speak.
Protect corporations as congress protected slave owners?
Slave States……
Fugitive Slave Laws…..
People are property…..
That guy in the Las Vegas foreclosure story. Been there done that. Walk away dude. I can’t offer him any better advice than that as long as things are the way they are. At least for him he won’t have as much problem finding somewhere to live as we did.
We had an ARM that just kept going up (nearly doubled by the time we walked away). And being in the first wave of foreclosures they were still looking hard at foreclosures on rent applications. (Apologies for bringing my wife into this – lol)
Just walk away and when they ask you why you did… Tell them it was strictly a business decision. That is what the rich do as they walk away from their million dollar homes.
And walking away is only a business decision. You have to be as ruthless as they would be to even start to win.
HAMP from the horse’s mouth.
For real fun read about nifty stuff like what happens to non-recourse when entering HAMP and helpful newer programs, like HAFA, that can clear that up if the servicer decides it is in their best interest. They can now choose to put non-recourse back if it’s worth it to them.
All right I lied, reading this really isn’t fun.
Why should they pay any attention to liberals if they know they won’t have their support, especially should they get elected? The paradigm is persuasion, not crime and punishment.
The Netroots seem kinda sycophantic toward the corporate Dem pols. Didn’t they give a standing Oh for Reid and Pelosi.
And Oilbummer’s vid message…Jeebus the guy’s a used car salesman.
Liberals love the rich and powerful, man.
Ah, thank you.
My guess is that most Americans (people in general?) are so programmed to respond positively to the team and it’s leaders that they can’t help themselves. Liberals, unlike many conservatives, simply think that their conformity is non-conformist in nature. Short of that your points are taken.
My sense is that come 2012 (and I sound like a broken record here) the liberals will be wetting their Jockey shorts to vote for Oilbummer (if the Netroots convention is any indicator). I don’t know what this useless empty suit could do to get them to withhold their support.
Have you been following the jihad against the teacher and state (public) workers? Oilbummer is a right winger through and through. How can anyone on the left )even marginally on the left) support the evisceration of US public schools and what’s left of the already eroded public sector?
Liberals need to look at the monster in the mirror because I don’t like what I see.
I applied to the HAMP program last February and believe me it’s the most insanely incompetent thing I’ve ever been involved with. It’s guaranteed that every time you call you get a different agent, a different agenda, different information. It’s guaranteed that all fax’s of requested information will be either lost or never entered into the data bank. It’s guaranteed that every notification of something sent to you will never arrive.
This program would be a total joke, were it not for the fact that it takes people in financial distress and gives them false hope. If you are pre-approved you get some months of reduced mortgage payments, that upon your subsequent (again guaranteed) later (and un-appealable) rejection, you will be automatically in default foreclosure until all the money is paid back. All this and did I mention that applying for the program puts a big negative dent into your credit rating.
HAMP takes people on the edge and pushes them over the cliff.
Well,I have been saying for months now,that by the time Obama’s time is up,he is going to set back the progressive agenda 10-15 yrs.
I am glad that David & others are finally beginning to figure it out.
It’s why progresives or “libruls” whatver you prefer must dis-engage from this creep in the WH.
Remember he is not there to fight the ideological battles of the 60′s.The progressive virtues don’t mean anything to him.
“My sense is that come 2012 (and I sound like a broken record here) the liberals will be wetting their Jockey shorts to vote for Oilbummer (if the Netroots convention is any indicator). I don’t know what this useless empty suit could do to get them to withhold their support.”
As MA showed, Democrats can just get fed up and stay home. People at NN aren’t necessarily representative for how rank-and-file voters feel. A number of people have defected from the Orange Satan because they didn’t feel that site represented them.
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As long as the progressives are no more than a bunch of bloggers who can only voice complaints on a blog of sycophants the only choice is the least awful.
Organize an effective movement with intellectual and media organs that can articulate a coherent philosophy with a robust grassroots activism. Then support or lack of it will have more meaning to the politicians.
It is working for the homeowners.
For the Banks and the Politicians? Profits are up and so are bribes. It is working very well.
HAMP is doing precisely what it was designed to do, IMHO, and as planned by those in charge of it. Slowing down the foreclosure rate means the Banks don’t lose as much as they would if they had to put all of these homes on the market at once. They want to keep you there – paying even just a little bit towards the upkeep of the home – until they can afford to foreclose on you.
If they put all of the homes on the market at once the Banksters would go bankrupt (again).
They’ll set up more friends with companies to buy off the homes in bulk so they can profit off the back end of the foreclosure too…. Much like Countrywide was doing in selling homes to the Corp. set up by their former president.
HAMP stop foreclosures?
No. The point is to control the flow of foreclosures, not stop them at all.
As you already know, HAMP gives a lot of control to the loan servicer that would not be there otherwise. There are plenty of stories about people that didn’t know that HAMP gave the control of default to the servicer and that they had lost non-recourse protection when the government stepped in. The court designation of being in default becomes a footnote whenever the servicer decides they have gotten has much money from the program as they can.
The badmouthing of dKos here and of FDL there is going to drive people fromboth sites, because there are a lot of us who read and comment at both places.
(Incidentally, FDL seems to have more trolls and conspiracy theorists than the Great Orange Satan. Probably because the people there don’t tolerate them.)
I was talking with a guy who’s a part-time property appraiser. He was telling me about a guy who owns a nice house, large, on a half-acre, that’s lost half its paper value since he bought it, and is buying another smaller one, at the same paper value. The owner plans to walk away from the first house, because he won’t be getting back his money.
There was another story about people refinancing every year, at increasing values, right up to the crash, to pay their credit-card debts, rather than cut back their usage. Apparently they bought into the story that property values only go up….
I don’t think Netroots Nation or whatever is left at all. This isn’t a diss, just fact. Kosman and the rest…Digby, Atrios, etc are essentially right leaning and/or centrists. There is no left in the US. I don’t even think Firedoglake is particularly left either–in the traditional, class-based sense. Common Dreams, perhaps, is the closest you get to a class-based site in the “liberal” blogosphere.
Basically, slim pickings if you are a traditional leftist like me. Too bad there isn’t a potent socialist blogosphere out there!
“The badmouthing of dKos here and of FDL there is going to drive people fromboth sites, because there are a lot of us who read and comment at both places”
I wasn’t badmouthing except as far as saying that people have left there because they didn’t feel that the site represented them. A number of people have said that they’ve come from there to FDL for that reason.
Then it is achieving its goal. Win!