Last night, Wikileaks released their “Afghan War Diary”, over 90,000 internal military documents about the war in Afghanistan. They first gave them to three newspapers, who simultaneously wrote stories that appeared in this morning’s editions: the Guardian, the New York Times, and Der Speigel. The documents tell a story of civilian casualties, covert death squads, CIA paramilitaries, cover-ups, Pakistani ISI/Taliban coordination and ultimately failure to deter the momentum of the Taliban nearly nine years from the start of the war.
The period largely covers the Bush Administration’s response in Afghanistan, though some documents reach into the beginnings of Obama’s first term. And so far, observers are straining to find much that’s new in the release. But that doesn’t necessarily lessen the news value of this internal confirmation of a difficult, struggling war effort that’s dragged on for a decade. And given that these are threat assessments and raw intelligence from those fighting the war on the ground, it’s hard to spin them away.
We have plenty of FDLers who can break down the specifics of the documents and their import. I want to note simply the timing. This week, perhaps even today, the House of Representatives will take a vote on the war supplemental, which passed the Senate last week. There’s no reason for anyone opposed to or even mildly skeptical of this war to vote for the funding. The Senate removed practically all the domestic spending from the bill last week, including the teacher jobs fund, summer youth job programs, TANF, the black farmer settlement and border security funding (yes, John McCain voted against funding for border security. I made sure to mention that to both of his possible Democratic opponents at Netroots Nation). So basically, we have an unpaid-for war funding bill with a little bit of disaster relief attached. That will get ping-ponged to the House, and they expect to wrap it up this week.
The release of the documents plays a role here. If 162 members of the House wanted to get some manner of timeline before, they should be itching for one now, with this portrait. At the least they should want some answers about how the passages in these documents around Pakistan, around civilian casualties and drone strikes, or whatever else have been rectified. Republicans and conservative Dems probably have enough votes to override them, but there’s little reason to add to that by any Democrat calling themselves anti-war.
It’ll be interesting to see if the Wikileaks documents delay the war funding vote a bit, as this major story plays itself out.
UPDATE: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange spoke from London about the documents, called them the story of the war since 2004 and that they contained evidence of war crimes. How can any Democrat can turn around and authorize more funding for this, amid this revelation?
UPDATE II: I almost forgot to add an insight to this that I got from Matthew Hoh, the former State Department appointee who resigned his post in Afghanistan and has now spoken out repeatedly against the war. Before the Wikileaks release, he told me after a Netroots Nation panel that the staffers in many House offices did not want to hear his take on the war and its myriad problems because if they understood it, they would have a harder time justifying their members’ war vote. They would literally rather remain in ignorance than know the truth. The Wikileaks release makes that less possible now.





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I have no confidence in the House and Senate Democrats. With the exception of a notable few, they long ago sold out to corporate America, the MIC, and the MOU. I do derive satisfaction, however, from visualizing them all frantically running around wringing their hands and bumping into each other knocking each other down as they whine over and over about how unfair it is that their silly, stupid, and vain little lives are spiraling out of control with the Wikileaks disclosures.
The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are illegal and they need to end NOW. Our troops need to come home NOW. Every U.S. soldier who died in these wars died in vain and the bullshit needs to stop NOW.
The name of every member of the House who votes for the war supplemental needs to be inscribed in capital letters in the Hall of Shame and they need to be defeated when they next run for reelection.
Going to need a bigger hall.
Pelosi:
“Leaked documents? What leaked documents?”
I’m pretty sure she’s aware of them. But, clever reparte. /s
The ‘Net…doing it to our little “centrist” president and his congress, before they’re old enough to know better. :o)
thank you for reminding us of Hoh, David
do not get me started on that “ignorance” of House staffers
Iraq was the same way. Members of Congress believed that the invasion was a go no matter what, so why delve into the facts and learn the truth?
Now the belief seems to be that the Obama administration’s Afghanistan strategy has to be allowed to play out (despite lives lost and enormous expenses) regardless of whether there is anything to be gained from it.
“How can any Democrat can turn around and authorize more funding for this, amid this revelation?”
Easily. I believe there’s a little button on their desk or some such.
What is there to stop them from authorizing funding – when the House leadership, the Party leadership, the White House are all leaning on them?
What penalty will they pay politically if they do vote for it? How many districts are really going to think that replacing a mealy-mouthed objectively pro-war Democrat with a batshit insane overtly pro-war Republican is a good decision?
Hoh was on DN! today.
Wonder if the WH has called Short Ride to pimp his intertoobz shutdown legislation on the airhead shows.
OK, Julian, give us a hint. In which of those 90-some-thousand documents is there the evidence of war crimes. Shamefully, it will take more than a My Lai “destroy the village to save it” incident to get the American people and Congress off the dime. It will take something that will fry the brains of the folks at FoxNews, that Limbaugh can’t spin, and Beck can’t shed crocodile tears over.
Are you going to make bmaz and emptywheel (and other FDLers) wade through all 90-some-thousand documents just to find the evidence?
Hey, it worked so well against LBJ.
“They would literally rather remain in ignorance than know the truth.”
The “Silent German Syndrome.”
Any bets on “DOJ” gong after the enablers of the free flow of information while policy-makers hide behind state’s secrets and national security laws to hide scum buggery?
David Dayen had this exactly right. There is nothing new here. We have been talking about all this stuff for years. During all that time, the Bush and now Obama Administations told us we didn’t know what we were talking about. Now these files show that errr, actually in private the government agreed with our assessments. So how is the Obama Administration reacting? Not on the merits or the contents. Nope, for them the issue is that these files became public and that this endangers the troops. Not the fact that they and Bush before them were lying their asses off.
Nope, bmaz & emptywheel & crown sourcing will do it on their own. No coercion needed.
I would imagine there are plenty of pups for each to take a section and go through them. I’d be willing to do that.
Background and other information before voting? Crazy talk!
If Congress acknowledges the Wikileaks release at all it will be in the form of some sort of smackdown against the release of the documents, and perhaps Wikileaks in general. My guess is that the bulk of the Congress sticks their fingers in their ears and sings out “LA LA LA LA LA LA LA” for a couple of days until the MSM news cycle coughs up another celebrity in peril.
War$ are in the bag, no matter what.
Yep.
“…endangers the troops”
Translation: embarrasses the Emperor and his minions
One thing is for sure. When FDL finishes with the papers, we will understand them better than Congress. Doncha think?
Not a fuckin’ doubt in my military mind.
You know what really irritates the White House about this?
People are looking backward, not forward.
I’ll take Saint Ronnies stinger missile section. Proving what goes around comes around.
Did obama promise no more supplemental war funding before or after the last election?
Julian Assange also said that these reports should not be taken at face value, that while they come from authentic sources, that does not necessarily mean the contents are true.
Which gives reps some wiggle room, not that they require any. I don’t expect passage of the supplemental to be delayed by a single millisecond.
TROOPS
HOME
NOW
… but I repeat myself.
Been sayin’ that around these parts since I first logged on to FDL. Sad, really. But still true.
Both he and Speaker Pelosi promised that their first supp would be their last, iirc. Still undeterred, they go on and on.
The killing of innocents must go on so that Obama can maintain his political viability.
If he ends the war and saves lives, he won’t be reelected. Guess which is more important to him?
Your worry about Obama going ballistic against open internets was my second thought when I heard the news early this morning on the BBC overnight broadcast. Cldn’t sleep — lots to think about after the news of the 90,000 emails leak. Wow.
I think the sheer volume of indications of war crimes will prove despositive, albeit these are first reports of incidents.
And there will be witch hunts for the leaker…. And with the Obama administration, torturers get a pass; leakers get the book thrown at them.
So much for truth and transparency.
Willingness to wage war abroad to score political points at home has been a trademark of U.S. presidents for a long time. Psychopathy appears to be a prerequisite for the job.
If the are indeed field action reports, the will be presenting the story that the US unit wanted the chain of command to hear. Of course, they might not be true.
And there is always the possibility that somewhere in the chain of provenance misinformation got sneaked in. A yellow-cake or Texas ANG document.
I’d like to see the field reports surrounding the killing of Pat Tillman.
I guess we can expect Lindsey Lohan to break out of jail or something real soon so the MSM can ignore this story.
From what I read earlier the leaks include more than battlefield reports. There are also accounts from a wide array of sources including embassies and foreign intelligence agencies. Some might not rise above the level of a rumor, which neither proves or disproves their accuracy.
Blue Texan’s regularly scheduled post is already in progress: Another Republican Wannabe Secessionist Wimps Out
That depends on whether the names of specific members of the US military are publicly identified in the documents. If these are indeed field operations reports, there might be quite a number of names in that list. Names that could be used for retaliation from now until long after the war is ended. What 9/11 showed is that attack within the US is not expensive to arrange.
In addition, it provides motivation for capture of US troops and comparison against the list of names in the documents. The folks who would do this, however, have the same information processing problem that we in looking for the information that could give insight into policy and the realities of that war and shape a public discussion. This is a huge number of documents.
If this includes substantial policy documents with few names, what you say is closer to the truth.
News flash: Tony Robbins gets his teeth cleaned!
Well, in fairness that is a big story. Those are some humongous choppers. Probably requires a regiment of dental hygienists.
Ding, ding, ding.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they were purged when the investigation was going on. So there would be missing report in that sequence.
Glad to see WikiLeaks happening (although it may portend some kind of action to shut down some types of Internet activities), but my bet is that the vast majority of citizens, including Democratic voters & familes who have members fighting, will roll over and go back to sleep. zzzzzzzzzzz
There will never be another My Lai incident bc the corporate owned media will ensure that it doesn’t hit the news cycles in the same way. Plus I seriously doubt that most citizens these days (including most Demcratic voters) give a rat’s patoot about *anyone* dying or any kinds of *illegal activities* in war zones. We’ve all been carefully taught not to care and to go click on the clicker to watch America’s Biggest Losers.
As for Congress members caring or being concerned or whatever?? Don’t make me laugh. I don’t think they’re even running around in Keystone Kop fashion over this. Why should they? Their corporate overlords will gin up some distraction in the media and the bobbleheads will breathlessly yell out over & over why citizens should *Look Over There!!!!* instead of focusing on this un-entertaining piece of shock reality.
And boom: job done.
What? Me Worry??? is the rally cry of our government. MIC to the rescue; money keeps pouring in. And so: on it goes…
P.S. Would love to be proven wrong but doubtful.
Well, we’ll know when we start digging through them.
Yep, no doubt they are filled with rumor. Like the positive assertion that the Pakistani ISI are helping insurgents kill ISAF forces. I would very much like to see the sourcing on that one.
If he ends the war before November, he will be impeached. He won’t have to wait for 2012.
CNN reports that as ISI assisting AQ. AQ… Taliban… what’s the difference?
Not like CNN is a reputable news agency anyway.
Funny you bring that up the saving lives part but I digress back to 1968 and the Vietnam war in all it’s glory.
i was in Doctor Hospital in New York that fall. I believe we commissioned or launched the aircraft carrier JFK to “take it to the enemy.”
I was 17 watching my mother try valiantly fight to recover her life and dignity after a major mastectomy and the loss of both of her breasts. She lost that fight the next spring. Then the government sent me a letter , being # 6 in the first lottery, saying that had a swell idea for me to go off some “gooks”, that’s what the Vietnamese where called then.
Nothing in my constitution about police actions excursions or other far flung adventures. No declaration of war, no war for me thanks. But we pissed away a boatload of cash back then too. And great inventions like the claymore remote controlled mines. when the ” enemy” sat down under a tree to eat ,if pre-positioned right, you could take them out at your leisure. Sure a lot of civilian uses for claymores.
But our constitution does provide for the general welfare and that would include a war on cancer which claims more lives than any of these damn wars. Daily . And now thanks to our FUed priorities i get to watch my wife’s childhood friend valiantly fight the same fucking scourge because we worshiped death machinery over life affirming investments.
But we’re # 1 in weapons and war, bar none but it’s cost us everything even our self respect as a nation.
Amen, Amen
From the Der Spiegel interview Julian Assange says,
“I enjoy crushing bastards. So it is enjoyable work.”
I love it. The guy’s the Clint Eastwood of transparency.
“Any bets on ‘DOJ’ gong after the enablers of the free flow of information while policy-makers hide behind state’s secrets and national security laws to hide scum buggery?”
You mean like this?
The MSM coverage I’ve seen to date is about Assange, his eccentricities and hacker past.
As for the content of the leaked material, the comments seem limited to reporting that the “the White House deplores the leak”. Little is said about the materials themselves, except to emphasize they “allege” this or that; nothing is said about their internal consistency, their agreement with other contemporary sources, etc. That’s equivalent to covering the Wall Street meltdown by saying, “Goldman Sachs deplores the coverage” and leaving it at that.
This administration and President, as well as the last dim bulb and his administration have tried and succeeded in keeping the general public in the dark for so long and so consistently, that any spark of light that shines on the TRUTH is considered an invalid aberration! Nothing here, move on serfs…
and a major shoutout on SouthernDragon’s comment on the death of Pat Tillman. Great challenge to the murdering liars!
“We kill our own over there, so we don’t have to kill them here, YET!”
“But we’re # 1 in weapons and war, bar none but it’s cost us everything even our self respect as a nation.”
The Soviets imploded from within as a result of a multiple decades arms race with the US. The Soviet economy could not sustain the technological arms race and a war in Afghanistan and remain fiscally solvent.
…and CNN is sourcing it from some intelligence community source who is sourcing if from one of Cheney’s human intelligent assets who heard it from his uncle Pervez who is a clerk for the what embassy who heard it from an “unimpeachable source” in the Pakistani intelligence community who has retired and heard it from one of his old colleagues who wants to undermine a rival in ISI.
Yeah, that kind of reputable.
Glenn Greenwald points to a good, short New Yorker analysis by Amy Davidson and another comment by Jay Rosen.
Davidson agrees with Hugh, that much of what Wikileaks released is not new. She pointedly disagrees, however, with a misleading conclusion put out by a NYT’s reporter, that these materials “do not contradict official accounts of the war” in Afghanistan. Davidson:
tjbs
So very sorry for what happened to your Mom and now what is happening with your wife’s childhood friend. This penchant for being #1 in the instruments of death and destruction is the type of insanity that this nation’s so called leaders and the MOTU will obsessively pursue until it eats away at not only the moral fabric that makes us human, but has planted the seeds of this nation’s eventual downfall and withering away, and perhaps that is the final karmic justice!
Here’s a real howler from the Washington Post:
But, unlike the Pentagon Papers, there are no high-level documents here that raise basic questions about the credibility of Presidents Obama and George W. Bush and their top advisors.
Also from the article, how do we know Obama isn’t doing this?:
And the private attempts of the Nixon White House to gather information about Daniel Ellsberg, the leaker of the Pentagon Papers, was one of the first activities that made up the elements of the impeachment charges against Nixon.
Would it surprise anyone if Obama had his own “plumbers“?:
A “Plumbers” unit was then established by Nixon aides in the White House with the sole purpose of gathering political intelligence on perceived enemies and preventing further news leaks. A team of burglars from the “Plumbers” then broke into a psychiatrist’s office looking for damaging information on Daniel Ellsberg, the former defense analyst who had leaked the Pentagon Papers to the press.
Those WaPo guys forgot to include another major difference between the Pentagon Paper expose’ and these leaks:
Some reporters from the major papers had some integrety and balls.
The suspense is killing me! I wonder which way the Democratic congress will go on this.
Here’s another bit of comedy gold from Lamo where now he’s trying to act like he’s a Fierce Advocate out to defend Manning:
“For WikiLeaks to do this, it’s transparently callous in its attitude toward [Manning],” Lamo told the site. “The information wasn’t going to go away. WikiLeaks could have waited until after Manning was sentenced, after he was tried. WikiLeaks is just paying lip service to wanting to protect Manning as a potential source, while letting him get hit by a train over this.”
If Lamo actually believed that, he wouldn’t have snitched on Manning – afterall, if Lamo had waited to snitch, it wouldn’t have changed the fact that Mannning leaked. I guess that means that Lamo was “transparently callous” by his own terms that he set for others.
My stepdad called me into the living room one night when I was ten years old. He said, “You’ve got to see this. This is history.” Richard Nixon was on the television resigning the Presidency. It WAS history, but not in the sense I would have ever been able to predict. I’ve since witnessed the era of the death of shame.
Lamo is making sure no one forgets how central he thinks he is to this story.
can anyone post the senate roll on the supplemental vote? I want to see how my senators voted, and without the bill number, it’s hard to find.
thanks!
I think everyone in Congress should smoke a joint of dank before they go into the chambers. We might get some good shit done.
Get the lying American war criminals out of Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Yemen, Somalia, the Pentagon, the CIA and the White House.
Lots of dots to connect here:
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/61952#comment-226212
Word.
DW
Ellsberg was just on NPR/Talk of the Nation about this stuff… not that they let him say much. He was interupted/cutoff a ton.
I just took a look at the spreadsheet of 300 incident reports that the Guardian posted. Personal identifying information has not been removed. The ground field reports tend to lack personal identifying information except for information about “high-value targets” and about civilians injured or killed in “friendly fire”.
There appear to be several types of reports. Reports of field operation incidents – an IED here, friendly fire there, etc. Commanding officer summaries of field engagements. Mission reports for air support missions. Threat reports specific to a location.
There are a lot of friendly fire incidents list in this sample of 300 reports.
Threat reports state information as if it is true without identifying the type of source.
But that covers less than 0.3 percent of the documents.
I’ve reviewed three or four dozen reports at the Wikileaks website that I selected randomly. They follow the same format and I haven’t seen a name mentioned, troops or victims.
Well, it’s not as if Daniel Ellsberg has anything relevant to contribute.
Oh, my, Glenn Greenwald’s dogs just Skyped big time at Cenk Uygur!
The death of shame was actually an execution.
I looked at the spreadsheet of 300 reports that the Guardian put online. There are names in a couple of ground reports and the air strike report format includes all names of the crews.
Haven’t see those.
Here’s the entire set of reports, which you can sort by type, category, region, affiliation, date, and severity.
I will have a look at those reports, but I belive that the americans and its vassals are out of control with all that slaughter there; The perfect excuse is that the children and children are also talibans.
Nobody asked them to be the police of the world, but indeed after they looted the German industry, kidnapped German scientists after WWII, and murdered the German officials in Nürenberg in mocked trials, what it’s happening in Afghanistan and Irak deserves to put Bush & Obama on trial for murder, starting a war etc..the same charges applied to th Germans.