John McCain lashed out at Wikileaks and Julian Assange yesterday, calling for their prosecution for releasing over 91,000 field reports and documents about the Afghan war. In the same breath, he called the document release “old news.”
This has been the tightrope that some in the government have tried to play with the Wikileaks release, downplaying the content of the documents while condemning their release. To some, “old news” must be kept from the public at all costs. Even the Pentagon isn’t trying this line. It’s more important for them to label the documents familiar or unsurprising to try and blunt their impact and keep the war machine moving:
New evidence that the war effort is plagued by unreliable Afghan and Pakistani partners seems unlikely to undermine fragile congressional support or force the Obama administration to shift strategy.
The disclosure of what are mostly battlefield updates does not appear to represent a major threat to national security or troops’ safety, according to military officials [...]
White House and Pentagon officials sought to diminish the significance of the leak by arguing that there were few, if any, revelations in the documents. Instead, they expressed alarm that the group WikiLeaks.org had posted such a large amount of classified material that could compromise the safety of U.S. forces and their Afghan allies.
“What is new and unprecedented is the scale and scope of this leak,” said Geoff Morrell, the Pentagon press secretary. “But the content of it is neither new or very illuminating.”
First of all, the idea that the content is neither new or illuminating is only true in a 10,000-foot view. Even in this same WaPo article, you can read about a helicopter raid killing seven children, and an Afghan police commander raping a 16 year-old. While the reports contain raw intel, and some rumor, much of it is verified, and if it wasn’t, nobody would be calling it old news.
So I don’t buy this idea that it isn’t illuminating. And neither does someone in the position to know: the reporter behind the Pentagon Papers:
On what the Afghanistan war logs have added to what we know:
They show how difficult the war in Afghanistan is. It’s a very complicated situation. You’ve got a government in Kabul which is corrupt and untrustworthy. You’ve got Pakistani allies which are not necessarily always your allies. You’ve got a Taliban movement which is resurgent, but also isn’t unified. It has its own factions, but it’s a resilient movement.
The WikiLeak revelations are very valuable, I think. They show how hard it is going to be to reach the objective the U.S. wants to reach, which is basically pacifying the country. Coming up with a sort of agreement which will pacify the country and end the insurgency. It shows how difficult it is to deal with your own allies [...]
On the criticism by some who point out that the latest leaks don’t bring to light much new information:
They may not contain a lot of new information, but they get public attention. That’s important, that the American public understand what’s going on. I’m not saying it’s necessary that they quit Afghanistan, but that the public understands the price being paid.
One value from these logs is it shows things are much more difficult on the ground than what you get from high-level briefings where they talk about counterinsurgency and use all these terms. When you get down to nitty-gritty here, these guys are trying to deal with a village that’s divided against itself. You don’t know who to trust, because people in the village don’t know who to trust.
Comparing these to the Pentagon Papers is a false comparison. The Pentagon Papers came in the midst of a well-documented, well-described war, and showed that the government was lying to their own people for decades about Vietnam. This document set comes in the midst of a largely forgotten war and does more to tell the narrative than anything from the government. That’s why the White House, while officially using the “old news” line, is worried about the ability to sustain support in Congress for the war effort.
That ability gets tested today, when the House votes on a war supplemental measure that was stripped of much of its domestic spending. For some reason, they are trying a test vote under a suspension of the rules, rather than taking the bill through the Rules Committee. That means it requires a 2/3 vote rather than a simple majority. This could be a tall order for passage, unless Republicans vote for it en masse. The major result of a losing vote would be trying to adopt it under a rule, or perhaps even stripping out the domestic spending still intact – mostly for disaster relief in flooded areas and the Gulf – to get a “clean bill,” which all Republicans would presumably support. So while the funding can be delayed, and no Democrat should vote for it whatsoever and take ownership of a failed policy, in reality the funding will eventually get through.
However, the Wikileaks release does represent a potential turning point, with the White House now trying to defend a policy that doesn’t look all that defensible.




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Long live Assange and may the leaker not be locked up for life.
So if this is, to the Pentagon and the WH, “old news” why the hell our we still conducting the illegal incursion into Afghanistan (and Iraq) murdering innocents and sacrificing soldiers? Could it just be to generate profits for the MIC?
Here’s an unflattering article on Assange, if you want some perspective.
What impresses me so far, is that it is Assange & the leaks that are being attacked, not their content. So until I read that the content is false, my null hypothesis is that it is accurate.
Here’s one article I’ve come across putting the ISI contact with the Taliban into perspective, basically arguing that it is historic and that the relationship has changed dramatically in the years since the released docs pertain to. Also arguing that the ISI and Pak in general, have a very strong interest in what’s going on in Afghanistan, a proposition that seems very understandable on the surface.
That’s the kind of perspective I’m interested in; not all this hand wringing & scapegoating that the USG is doing.
I’m with you eCAHN. When the messenger is attacked, not the message, THAT in itself is a message.
Thanks David.
That is all war is ever about.
The usual suspects lined up to take pot-shots and say typical negative talking points about WikiLeaks, Assange, and lastly the doccos. Meh. Whether the docs are good value shedding new light on the war in Afghanistan, or whether they’re nonsense, my bet is that most US citizens will roll over and go back to sleep. They won’t really care, and it won’t make much difference to them.
That said, it does provide some fuel to continue push-back against the war, and whether the info is good, bad or indiffernt, I say: make use of the wedge to drive it further in.
So far, I haven’t heard much of anything new. I tend to feel that either most of the info was already out there in different formats – OR – maybe I’m just getting better at reading between the lines??? Because nothing of what I’ve heard so far has been surprising. But that’s just me, I guess. Given that I don’t feel surprised, I don’t see how this going to change the minds of the powers that be. I live to be proven wrong on that last statement.
ecahn: thanks for the linky to article re Assange. Not sure what to make of him at this point.
Yep.
Off to other tasks for awhile. BBL.
What? A dirty-ops unit playing both sides in a conflict? It could never happen.
/s off
No need to jump to conclusions. There will be plenty of time to reassess Assange at some later date. As I said, I’m interested in content.
I haven’t read anything I hadn’t surmised without docs, but am pleased to have actual evidence on many issues.
As I commented in an earlier thread, interesting to know that NATO opponents have shoulder fired heat seeking missiles. I’d been wondering how the couple of downed helicopters we know about happened. I wonder how many more have been downed that we haven’t been informed of.
I read the Washington Post’s article on Top Secret America. We have almost one million very well-paid spies logging into our email, check our credit scores, looking at our friends, writing reports, caging reports, upselling reports and all it takes to leak over 100,000 classified top secret documents is one 22 year-old PFC.
And how do they catch him? Old fashioned spy work? No, a former computer hacker turns him in.
Rather like the crotch bomber. A father tells you his son is nuts and may commit a terrorist act, our spies ignore that intel, and a passenger notices that the young man’s crotch is on fire. He’s caught.
I feel so safe with almost a million spies driving around a 112 acre parking lot looking for a spot close to the front door.
Mother Jones has been rather hostile to wikileaks – as mentioned in my post this morning.
At times I wonder if a lot of these folks are just really irritated Assange gets info they cannot?
So John wants Assange put behind bars because he wanted newer information released or he feels that old news, much like the Soviets in the past, is still too sensitive for the unwashed masses to read or understand. In a sense McCain and other defenders of this status quo are right, the patterns of oppression, violence, subterfuge and harsh retribution are as old as colonialism.
Given what we know so far about the leaks we are not hearing much about the CIA, nor the various mercenary groups that report to the almighty dollar, so this facts are almost certainly worse. In violent situations reports often have some positive shading in order to pass information up the chain of command without worrying about personal blowback.
Yes, I read that from Cloughey. I don’t think the additional perspective on Taliban/ISI coordination really changes the impact of the logs, however.
Who is paying their salaries?
The plan is to cut Social Security to pay for the warz. Maybe to govt can find a way to charge us for breathing to pay for all its spies.
Do you mean the same St. John whose claim to fame is bombing peasant villages in a remote part of the world?
My idea of a hero is not someone who slaughters defenseless civilians.
I thought it was getting new planes to fly fairly regularly. It pays to have a few admirals farther up the family chain.
What ever happened to Code Pink and Cindy Sheehan?
You never hear about them protesting the war any more.
If you’re on their mailing list or visit their websites you’d get regular updates. Corporate media isn’t going to cover them.
Sen Feinstein was also quoted saying much the same as McCain:
http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/269029/major-leak-probe-needed-top-us-senator
Reaction is a serious case of “nothing to see here, move on” -itis. Meanwhile, you know they will go apeshit over the leak.
And why not, because as multiple stories show, including my own today, the U.S. is running a “goddamn Murder, Inc.” (to borrow a phrase from LBJ) in Afghanistan. Not that the Taliban is not, too. But it’s their country, or is it Pakistan’s, I forgot.
I am at a complete loss why John McCain is quoted, interviewed,considered relevant anymore. Who CARES what John McCain might think? Why does the old fuck still get space in the media and the blogs. When was the last time he said anything honest or relevant that deserves a quote or his opinions considered. He is an old man who has lived his entire life on the tit of the Federal government. He was “tortured” but that tortured proved helpful and certainly damning for other soldiers in arms in South Viet Nam. HE IS A FRAUD. A tiresome old fraud.
Our wars are about economics, not territory, and have been for the last 60 years.
Wars are the best way to change society while maintaining the erection.
I agree wholeheartedly with your statement!
You’re probably aware that Pfc. Bradley Manning has been charged with leaking the infamous video of the deaths of the Reuters reporters to Wikileaks. Today Manning is in a military jail in Kuwait and is probably being interrogated about the latest leaks. I pray he is not being tortured.
Last night Assange told Anderson Cooper, “Courage begats courage,” intimating that there will be others who will be leaking in the future. I consider Assange to be a hero!
The breach of national security started with policy-makers who instead of reacting to 911 in a logical way, (a police/intelligence action) attempted to capitalize on the “event” in a horrible way. The late Senator Byrd referred a shift in a 60 year American policy orchestrated by neocon-fascists from a defensive policy to a pre-emptive military policy b/c of 911. The politicians can take their “”canned spam”" and stuff it quite frankly. Never mind blaming and holding accountable the policy makers for potential war crimes and the continuation of policy which “wins” hearts and minds while obliterating life? We will call it a violation of national security to talk “truth” based upon facts the government does not want you to know because the truth sucks and undermines propaganda……. Sounds similar to how the Nazis reacted when the German homeland was attacked by alleged Polish saboteurs. The Nazis launched the Blitzkrieg into Poland to protectively protect the homeland from perceived Polish aggression…. History proved the alleged polish attack was a fabrication. “Truth, from the late Senator!”
According to Daniel Ellsberg, President Forward Looking “has indicted more people now for leaks than all previous presidents put together…”!!
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1007/26/lkl.01.html
http://www.ellsberg.net/archive/daniel-ellsberg-larry-king
It’s not “forward looking,” it’s “looking forward.”
As in, “I’m looking forward to continuing the military, industrial, congressional complex and expanding it to include the judicial and executive branches as well.”
Will Manning be our Sophie Scholl?
Below is an example of spin 101 by the Administration. PJ Crowley on the Afghan War Logs
PJ Crowley, a US State Department spokesman, says most of the leaked documents are “years old” and may have offered a “particular snapshot” of the situation in 2005-2006. He says the released material “does not necessarily represent” the situation now. And the rise in battle casualties? Remember Hannibal and Alexander the Great. They didn’t do too well in the area known today as Afghanistan either. I’m sure their PR dept. did their best to cover up their failed war strategy way back when.
http://www.newslook.com/videos/232962-interview-pj-crowley-on-the-afghan-war-logs?autoplay=true
The paradox here is that Obama is by now unddoubtedly persuaded that the whole enterprise over there is a losing proposition, and he probably was last fall when they went over the strategy one last time (actually several times, because he kept sending the position paper back to its authors). There is a knee-jerk reaction in the Pentagon to anything that smacks of public airing of their lost war, but I think in the White House the calculations turn more n the potential ‘stab in the back’ campaign the Republicans are only too willing to run in November, and so they are stalling the inevitable decision to draw down and get out until after the elections.
Republican blackmail is what got us in and kept us in Vietnam longer than we had to, or rather until the defeat was so clear that even the Republicans could let it happen without any backlash. They don’t actually care about Afghanistan any more than they care about anything except in relation to its relation to their ability to seize power. Power for its own sake, as Orwell said.
Ellsberg himself appreciates the comparison of this leak to the Pentagon Papers, at least as a political act of civil disobedience and a call to increase public awareness of wrongs done in the public’s name.
I agree that the Pentagon Papers were a compiled history of events that documented that what the government told the public were lies. Assange has released raw material, not a considered historical account. It tells one anyway, and reveals, as Amy Davidson has said in the New Yorker, that it demonstrates a huge gap between what the government has told us it is doing and what its effects are, and what’s really happening.
Churchill sometimes called such things terminological inexactitudes, knowingly admitting that, rhetorical humor aside, what he was really describing were lies told for political purposes.
That’s a sure sign Assange has hit the bullseye.
he tried his hands at various things, including lecturing in physics at university but quit when he found most of his colleagues’ research were aimed at gaining sponsorship from weapons manufacturers – read an article on him in the uk guardian, i think, but can’t find a link to it now
he says he thought long and hard before releasing these files as to what he could do that will have an unstoppable multiplier effect to stop the wars (or words to that effect)
there is also this the post:
what confuses me is this: neither wikileaks nor assange is USian, so short of declaring wikileaks a terrorist outfit and assange a terrorist, what authority does the US have for all this hot air? think the eu and iceland may be tougher fields than iraq/afghanistan/latin america for blackops/death squads