Lots of people are linking to this interview bite, where Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-VA) appears to admit that tax cuts lower revenue. That this is a big moment in Republican politics should really give pause. You have an entire party who believes against all laws of mathematics that lowering the rate at which people pay taxes increases revenue for the government. Their claims that tax cuts pay for themselves in economic growth have been refuted again and again and again, most recently yesterday by Alan Greenspan, a vocal supporter of the Bush tax cuts.
But did Cantor even admit what everyone thinks he did? Here’s the money quote:
“[I]f you have less revenues coming into the federal government, and more expenditures, what does that add up to? Certainly you’re gonna dig the hole deeper. But you also have to understand, if the priority is to get people back to work, is to start growing this economy again, uh, then you don’t wanna make it more expensive for job creators.”
He basically said, “Sure, less revenues theoretically increase the deficit, but we’re about getting people back to work, and low taxes for ‘job creators’ facilitates that.”
So I wouldn’t say he conceded the point so much as he raised a different one, a point which is equally wrong as the Laffer curve, incidentally. He claims that lower and lower taxes facilitates job creation. But the two Bush terms saw the lowest taxes for the wealthy, presumably the “job creators” Cantor is talking about. And those two terms saw the worst job creation in recorded American history going back to the Depression. This chart from the Wall Street Journal lays it out. Nobody since Hoover had worse annual job growth than George W. Bush, at a time when it was not at all expensive for “job creators” to make money.
I agree with Steve Benen that Cantor is conceding that the economy matters more than the deficit, a key bit of info. But if you think that paves the way for a legitimate discussion of these issues you haven’t seen one Washington Republican speak over the past decade.
Meanwhile, I’d rather pigeonhole Republicans along the lines of what Andrew Samwick asks of those still clinging to the idea that tax cuts raise revenue: if that’s the case, where does it end? Where does the Laffer curve bend? At what point do marginal tax rates, in this theory, end up becoming counter-productive and decreasing revenue?
Restated, if these tax cuts raised revenue, then why not keep cutting them until the point at which revenues actually begin to fall? I presume the reason is that none of the proponents of this line of argument have any idea what the revenue-maximizing tax rate is. They only like to assert that we must have been past it because tax revenues eventually went up at some point after the tax rates were cut (ignoring the obvious counterfactual that it was economic growth unrelated to the tax cuts that pushed revenues higher and that they would have been even higher at the higher tax rates).
So the next question is simply, “What do the experts on your staff tell you that the top marginal tax rate should be in order to maximize tax revenues, leaving everything else about the tax code the same?” Journalists should relentlessly ask it of the Republican leadership in Congress who continue to make fallacious claims, and the Democratic leadership in Congress ought to ask it politely in a letter to CBO Director Doug Elmendorf.
I suspect this answer isn’t going to come very quickly.



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Tax cuts don’t increase employment and tax cuts decrease revenues so let’s make sure we extend tax cuts so we can have more jobs and balance the budget,
Makes perfect sense to me.
If we were Bizarro World
Once again, Eric Cantor talks himself into a corner. That’s why you get a new talking points memo every day, Eric. All you have to do is take it off the fax machine, review it, and stick to it!
tax revenue went up in the 1980′s when Reagan cuts taxes because the FED finally eased the credit crunch that it created to fight inflation.
more money in the system, ment more money to tax, it was as simple as that.
Well, St Ronnie did turn around and raise taxes in a lot of areas within two years of cutting taxes, which kinda helped that revenue increase you mention.
Having never met Rep. Cantor, I don’t know if he’s too intelligent to be bound by a dumb talking point, or if he’s not clever enough to stick to his dumb talking point under pressure.
After the Bush tax cuts and lying us into a completely unnecessary war while hiding the cost of it, the USA immediately went into deficit. I’m not sure what’s unclear with this picture, other than unbridled out of control greed is currently being promulgated by the PTB as a virtue, rather than one of the 7 deadly sins.
I’m not big into the concept of sin, but there’s a reason why those particular 7 are on that list. Might behoove the Cantor’s of this world to go back and read the list again.
I’m not entirely certain that there’s anything specifically “wrong” with the Laffer Curve, other than it’s a very rudimentary and self-evident idea. The problem seems to have always been the assumptions about where the United States sits on that over-simplified model.
Think of the curve, and note the point of “optimal taxation” at it’s apex. The assumption proffered by the Reagan-inspired folks is that the U.S. sits to the right of that point (over taxed), wherein we’re over taxed, and our growth would increase with lowered taxes, while the infrastructure that facilitates growth would suffer, because we ostensibly have too much of it.
There’s never any consideration by most of these people that the U.S. might well be to the left of the point of “optimal taxation” (under taxed). Such that any further lowering of taxes would actually cripple necessary infrastructure and thus hinder economic growth.
A relatively simple analysis of other first-world economies and their effective tax-rates vs. GDP indicates that we are in fact in the latter condition.
Simplicity, and suspect correctness of the Laffer Curve therein, aside. These folks don’t bother to recognize that there’s two sides to that curve, and don’t bother to consider that we might not be on the side they assume we are.
Lots of people want or need to believe this fantasy , but lots of these people also believe in flying saucers as well.
Paging Letsgetitdone :o)
Clearly this is a man who should read Warren Mosler’s new book. He’s right, the government needs to put more money out into the economy and it can do this either by spending more or taxing less. The most balanced tax cut (since it puts equal sums into the pockets of workers and “job creators”) is a payroll tax holiday.
The two dashboard readouts the government should be targeting are unemployment and inflation. Keep those two in line and the deficit number is no more important than the cupholder.
Here there be monsters.
“…where does it end? Where does the Laffer curve bend? At what point do marginal tax rates, in this theory, end up becoming counter-productive and decreasing revenue?”
The Laffer curve bends only when you reach the point where your ship is about to fall off the edge of the world. Not that you’ll ever get there, because the sea serpents will get you first.
What, you didn’t know of the connection between the Laffer Curve and the Flat Earth? Well, it goes right through the Flat Tax, right past the film studio where they shot that supposed live feed from the moon on all those Apollo missions. Pay attention!
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Someone just must ask the GOP….how many jobs did the Bush Tax cuts create ?
And those tax cuts for the rich are in place right now…..and still no jobs are being created……end of story.
It is impossible for the Rethugs to break free from the voodoo economics high.
Worth watching:
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/341481/july-28-2010/the-word—ownership-society
plenty of investment banker jobs being created – and I hear they get wonderful bonuses