I hope nobody in the Administration attributes these new poll numbers to Wikileaks, or any other single incident (in fact, on that front, the Administration has won; 2/3 of those polled in this report oppose the publication of the Wikileaks Afghan war logs). People are responding to nine years of war and few signs of any movement in it. They see a President talking about “stopping the Taliban’s momentum” consistently for the last 18 months, indicating they have all the momentum in the fight. They cannot find a strategy, or square the notion of denying “safe havens” to Al Qaeda, when they are told that fewer than 300 Al Qaeda members live in the region, and the last several attempted terror attacks have come from places like Somalia and Yemen. And they see no partner in the ruling government to justify 95,000 troops and more casualties than at any time since 2001. They are tired of the beating of the war drums.
Public support for President Obama’s Afghanistan war policy has plummeted amid a rising U.S. death toll and the unauthorized release of classified military documents, a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll shows.
Support for Obama’s management of the war fell to 36%, down from 48% in a February poll. Now, a record 43% also say it was a mistake to go to war there after the terrorist attacks in 2001.
The decline in support contributed to the lowest approval ratings of Obama’s presidency. Amid a lengthy recession, more Americans support his handling of the economy (39%) than the war.
The economy is dragging everything else down. Even Obama’s numbers on Iraq are low, despite him pulling out on precisely the schedule handed to him in the status of forces agreement. But the numbers on Afghanistan are BELOW the numbers on the economy. People are in a nasty mood right now, and they don’t understand why wars keep endlessly slogging along. They don’t understand why they economy keeps endlessly slogging along, and poorly, as well, and they feel frozen in amber, as if the malaise of the past decade will never end.
You haven’t seen this result because of a committed anti-war movement, or mass protests in the streets. It’s just a feeling that people have. And the President is bearing the brunt of that bad feeling.




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I think Obama has accepted the fact that he’s destined to be “deeply unpopular” as he sets about completing the checklist that his corporate masters have given him. But he’s only got to put up with the criticism for four years, then it’s payday!
That’s a big Ding ef’fing Ding!
Although it seems to a large extent they’ve made similar, poor efforts on war and the economy, so more like two sides of the coin (and it’s made of brass)
That’s what it’s come down to in early 21st Century America. The “pay day.” It’s time to get with the program and accept the reality. At least pot will be legal.
The zealots at OFA should be having brain hemorrhages pretty soon. They have already had to face the reality that there are a number of close congressional races where Obama could make the best contribution by staying as far away as possible.
But
Afghanistan, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan,Afghanistan is the central front in the GWOT.Afghanistan is polling lower than the economy what polls lower than Afghanistan Cutting Social Security to pay for the war in Afghanistan maybe?
Just who is running Obama’s polling and political team?
The Powell Doctrine states that a list of questions all have to be answered affirmatively before military action is taken by the United States:
1. Is a vital national security interest threatened?
2. Do we have a clear attainable objective?
3. Have the risks and costs been fully and frankly analyzed?
4. Have all other non-violent policy means been fully exhausted?
5. Is there a plausible exit strategy to avoid endless entanglement?
6. Have the consequences of our action been fully considered?
7. Is the action supported by the American people?
8. Do we have genuine broad international support?
Just Imagine how well the Dems could do this election if they ended both wars. If they legalized and taxed pot. If they created an FDR sized job program, if they put a 100% tariff on everything not made, grown, mined in America and created jobs.
But, but . . . he’s just staying the course. . .
Answer to all those questions is no.
Are the costs greater than we can afford to pay should be added.
And so Obama continues his inexorable effort destroying the U.S. economy, putting our troops in harm’s way for no good reason, and slaughtering innocent women and children in Afghanistan and Pakistan to become the most hated and reviled man in the world for 40 pieces of silver.
If everyone jumped off a cliff I guess Obama would too.
What silver? I think he does it just to be liked by the Cool Kids at Harvard who all invested with Larry Summers. If there were no bank bailout just where would they all be….picking lettuce at minimum wage?
Obama’s political team given these numbers should be terrified of more American deaths in Afghanistan right before the election. Ossama we know likes to play games with our elections.
Better to leave by your own choice rather than be forced out.
If Obama is forced out of Afghanistan by more American deaths any bets Iraq will suddenly erupt? Domino Theory
Didn’t Summers’s investments of Harvard’s endowment funds in the Wall Street Casino mostly get wiped out in the crash? Isn’t he also the dumb shit that thinks women aren’t as smart as men about math?
Between Obama and Summers, who’s Dumb and who’s Dumber?
The Answer is C they are as dumb as you can get.
nice try with the trick question:)
Except for the first one on national security you can’t answer those questions positively. And on that one there is Pakistan – a nuclear power entertaining terrorists – and while there are no al Queda in Afghanistan now, there could be (would be no doubt) in an instant if we leave. But still, nation building is definitely not something we should be doing there. ( for the most part they don’t even have sewers and roads there and no central government to speak of.) At a minimum our mission there has to be revisited or Obama’s popularity will shrink further. Who ever thought up this let’s just protect the people there idea ? Let’s protect us first.
Given the GOP stand on the economy lets not create jobs and give tax cuts to the rich, lets piss away the Hispanic vote the fastest growing minority Obama and the GOP both seem to be trying their best to lose this election.
Iraq is coming apart. It hasn’t been able to form a government since the election 7 or 9 months ago (can’t recall which) and 535 Iraqis were murdered in sectarian violence last month. Plus, in another example of stupid Obama-speak, he isn’t withdrawing combat troops; he’s just going to call them non-combat troops. Problem solved!
The USA had the initiative in Afghanistan until we diverted our attention to the invasion and occupation of Iraq. Then the Taliban gained the initiative. We thought more troops could turn things around, but it’s too late– we’re reinforcing failure, a bad strategy.
President Obama gave himself an exit strategy by announcing a withdrawal date, hope he’s smart enough to hang onto that. We can continue to operate in Afghanistan like we do already in Pakistan, with a small footprint.
The Dominos are falling already then Obama better hope the public doesn’t catch on even the MSM can’t Fluff this.
That was bullshit. He does not intend to withdraw any U.S. troops from Afghanistan or Pakistan as long as he is president. He’s building huge military bases all over Afghanistan and an embassy as big as the State of Texas in Islamabad. His actions in Iraq and AFPAK spell permanent presence and never ending war.
Link?
Public support of the wars has been lost, but it is one issue that the neo cons have not gone off the deep end on Obama about. The other being leaving Cheney’s warrantless information vacuum in place.
Maliki had to align himself with Al-Sadr to keep control of the governmnet, which moves moves Iraq closer to Iran. Who is behind the bombing?
Those Saudi oil sheikhs are so friendly with President Obama, that I am jealous. How do we get some Presidential attention? Spend $11 billion dollars on weapons and oppress women.
I did not know the dictators in Arabia had wisdom. But again I am jealous because the President has discussions about all these issues, such as the Afghan War, with a Dictator. The President does not have these discussions with the American people.
Neo Cons/Libs and Republicans are still addicted to WAR, Inc and can’t/don’t want to kick the habit.
Rightwing think tanks (aka David Koch) gin up ersatz outrage amongst credulous Tea Partiers to whine about high taxes for billionaires & no real health care reform cuz it’s Nazi, but they’ll all salivate like Pavlov’s dogs for war/pentagon funding/spending… even tho they can’t really explain why (I’ve asked quite a few, and I get the blank stare bc I guess RushGlenn hasn’t given them their daily talking point on why we need to spend so much on War, Inc.).
But it will bode ill for BHO bc rightwingers will never vote for “that one,” and libs/Dems are fed up bc we voted for BHO in order to stop spending on War, Inc.
BHO?? Unconcerned. Looking forward to his nice big payday. What? Me Worry?? Not a chance.
Heh… the royal Saudi’s pay good money to whisper sweet nothings in BHO’s ear.
OTOH, YOU do not.
The end.
Well those Citi derivatives weren’t going to pay for themselves.
Don’t know I’m trying to get get caught up myself on the news.
Unfortunately, it’s easy to hide from reality. There’s a lot of random noise in polls. To be a loyal (and misinformed) cheerleader for a leader or party, you just have to cheer every random bump upwards and ignore every random bump back downwards.
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Imagine, just imagine how different Obama’s rating wld be if he had at least tried to do what he said he wld do. He has single handidly made the republicans relevant again.
Thanks. It is always good to cite Powell’s criteria because they are reasonable and responsible guidelines and they remind us how out of whack Obama’s Afghan surge is.
As for falling numbers, it’s called bungling in a quagmire. We have been there 9 years. Obama took forever last year to come up with a “strategy”. McChrystal was named then fired. Marjah was slow to happen then fizzled. The Kandahar operation was delaye even longer. The surge is taken place as the economy tanks. Wikileaks pointed to a corrupt Afghan government, Americans killing a lot of civilians, and Pakistan in cahoots with the Taliban. Then to top it off, American combat deaths have been at record levels the last couple of months. Take this all together or in bits and pieces, either way the cumulative effect for any sane person has got to be WTF are we doing there?
Or take it the way I look at it. We have not had a policy reason to be in Afghanistan since mid 2002. Instead we have an army on the ground looking for a mission to explain its presence there. When you don’t have a policy bad things will happen in such a situation and people are going eventually to react to that. That is what we are seeing.
More money down the rathole. Makes me want to puke.
“If Obama is forced out of Afghanistan by more American deaths any bets Iraq will suddenly erupt? Domino Theory” Or maybe the Iran war will be our next offering to those gods of war: the military-industrial complex and Wall Street.
I believe if all who profit from war were to be in the thick of it along with our troops wars would suddenly come to an end.
Agreed, its unconscionable that our troops are sent back to Iraq and Afghanistan for multiple combat tours when there are millions of young men (and women) available to fight for, in Powell’s terms, “a vital national interest”.
Any war that’s not worth drafting for is not worth fighting.
To review how a draft would work (and anyone reading this with firsthand experience back in the day, please do chime in), I believe the current Selective Service regulations (which of course Congress would have to vote to activate) call for draft lottery by birthday. Let’s say the Army needs to 500,000 soldiers a year (that’s the right order of magnitude if the policy is to avoid repeat combat tours), Selective Service knows that a large majority, call it 80%, of those called up won’t be able to serve (poor physical or mental health, pacifism, illiteracy, draft evasion, etc), so to get 500,000 soldiers,they’d actually have to call up 2.5 million young men out of 12 milllion draft pool (that is, 21% of the pool).
So Selective Service would randomly select 77 birthdays (21% of 366 calendar days). Every registered male between 19 and 26 born on those days would get a draft notice. Student deferments would only last until the end of the semester (college seniors could finish the whole year). Millions of draft notices, hundreds of thousands of men suddenly uprooted from their lives and sent off for a (single) combat tour…. Stop and just imagine the shitstorm. Any war that’s not worth THAT isn’t worth fighting. A pity Congress doesn’t consider this before they vote for war funding.