Painful to even write about this:
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said Monday that he’s opposed to building an Islamic center near the site of the 9/11 attacks.
Reid, who is locked in a tough reelection campaign, broke with President Obama in calling for the New York center to be built somewhere else. Obama on Friday endorsed the right of a group to build the center, which includes a prayer space, near Ground Zero.
“The First Amendment protects freedom of religion,” Reid spokesman Jim Manley said in a statement. “Sen. Reid respects that but thinks that the mosque should be built someplace else.”
Sharron Angle had been pressuring Reid to pick a side in the controversy for the last week. Seeing that Reid came around to her position on the matter, surely she will now quit the race and join the Senate Majority Leader’s staff.
Senator Reid is a Mormon. They are a religious minority in the United States. Individual Mormons have been responsible for violent crimes, and members of the faith have perverted the religion for their own criminal ends. Under Reid’s thinking, it would be insensitive to build any Mormon churches in Utah County, Utah, or Colorado City, Arizona, or Hildale, Utah, because of the insensitivity of building a shrine so close to where the Lafferty brothers or Warren Jeffs committed their atrocities.
Is that where we want to go in this country? Do we want to measure whether or not to allow places of worship based on the acts of individuals connected with the faith? There would sure be a lot less Christian churches and cathedrals in America, in that case, given all the prisoners in US jails practicing that faith, not to mention mosques, synagogues and Hindu temples.
At the root, what we have is a typical dynamic of conservative fearmongering and Democratic squirming.
UPDATE: I should add Jim Manley’s entire statement, which includes a total non sequitur about a first responder’s bill that has never come up for a vote in the Senate:
“The First Amendment protects freedom of religion. Senator Reid respects that but thinks that the mosque should be built someplace else. If the Republicans are being sincere, they would help us pass this long overdue bill to help the first responders whose health and livelihoods have been devastated because of their bravery on 911, rather than continuing to block this much-needed legislation.”
Harry Reid has never brought the 9/11 aid bill to the floor and is only thinking about it now.





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Gotta disagree with you David about “At the root, what we have is a typical dynamic of conservative fearmongering and Democratic squirming.”.
At the “ROOT” is a populace that has lost sight and understanding of what the Founding Fathers envisioned;
The Founding Fathers and Islam
oooh ubet, you aren’t going to trouble their beautiful minds with thoughts on “the mohammedans” are ya ? :D
If anyone should know about a faith being denied a place to worship, it’s Harry Reid.
This is simply shameful. Remember Nauvoo, Harry? Many in your faith heritage do.
Does Reid want to close the Pentagon mosque too?
Reading about Reid earlier today made me sick.
Still a bit woozy in the guts and sour in the mouth.
What sick, twisted fuck.
We The People ELECT fucktards like him?
Sigh. No need to answer that, it was snark.
LeSigh.
I’m offended by Mormons coming to my door trying to convert me.
Can we ban them?
Depends on how many votes he thinks it’ll get him.
Once, when I misbehaved in school, I was sentenced to write every rule in the Student Handbook. 10 times each. Reid should have to write the constitution 5 times.
Boxturtle (legibly)
Just send him to a madrassa until he memorizes the Quran.
What a twerp. This is shameful, coming from a Democrat who’s the Senate Majority Leader. In fact, the Democratic Party should be ashamed that he’s in a leadership position.
Reid is a coward, and if he wins re-election I sure as hell hope that he doesn’t retain his leadership post. Not that I have any reason to think the Senate is decent enough to boot him.
I usually just let the dogs out. They won’t bite, but they can cover you with a mix of dirt and saliva that will harden to plaster within 10 minutes.
Personally, I’m offended by Catholic churches anywhere near a school. And airports near tall buildings is disrespectful.
Boxturtle (I’m wiccan, having trouble figuring out whom I’m supposed to hate)
Sacred Ground.
Reid is a cowardly milquetoast?
Who knew?!
The equivocation around freedom to worship reminds me of “separate but equal”
Coward. Bigot. Loser.
A lot of the bigots opposing this center wouldn’t even allow that much.
Very well-made point. Thx.
Two or three years ago I was involved in a dispute concerning the building of a Mormon Temple.
The developer sold lots in a residential area to the Mormons for the purpose of building a church. A condition of the sale was that the developer would secure a zoning variance allowing the Temple to be built.
The local fundies organized against it and fought it tooth and nail. They circulated petitions, wrote letters to the editor, lobbied the Board of Adjustment and packed every meeting.
The Board showed some grit and respect for our Republic’s founding priciples and the variance was granted. Is it too much to ask that the Majority Leader of the Senate do the same?
Is al-Qaeda building a mosque near the “Ground Zero”?
Then what is the big deal?
Reid apparently believes the voters of Nevada are bigots & idiots. And maybe they are. Whatever they are, they now have a rare opportunity to vote for one or another bigot & idiot. Reid’s given them good cover.
Yes.
This has been another installment of “Simple Answers to Simple Questions.”
Ah, yes. That’s the phrase I’ve been looking for. Perhaps we need to set up some moslem homelands, so they can practice their religion openly. Somewhere in South Dakota or perhaps Alaska. Gitmo (there’s a thought!) sold be avaiable soon as well. We’d just be looking out for them, since we all know that some people will harass them.
And think of the economic benefits of having to reinstall all those 2nd water fountains.
Boxturtle (We’re on to something here)
Duh leader
What about if it were the Saudi Wahhabis? They’ve built mosques all over the world (including the one on 96th & Third in Manhattan, I think, though I’ve not done enough digging to know for sure). That’s where the Taliban and lot of AQ came from that the U.S. supported war in Afghanistan against the Soviets. They provided a lot of the canon fodder.
That was one of my original Qs, though it seems it’s not so in this particular case.
Can just go back a few posts and correct:
“Conservatives”
to read “Republican’s & Democrats in the house, and President Obama”. Then in the text make a point to note the SCOTUS does whatever the fuck they want regurdless of “quaint documents” or “philosophy” (e.g., Bush -v- Gore).
After all what, its in the first two sentances of one of those “quaint documents”.
– dont forget Chuck Schummer is trumpeting the increased use of “survaillance” drones on the US-Mex border. That is in the USA, so we have that going (precident set) – next up hook up a gun, after that mount the hellfires.
Hey Harry! Any porn shops, liquor stores, etc, etc, anywhere near this so called hallowed ground? I’m sure even New Yorkers are sick to death of hearing about “ground zero”.
See the link at 11.
Priceless. Simply priceless. The only people you hear even mentioning “ground zero” over and over are politicians trying to score points on a public that just doesn’t care anymore. The link hits the hypocrisy home. It would be hilarious if it wasn’t so disgusting.
The Angles woman is looking pretty good these days….an uninformed lunatic she is. That’s what I can expect of her. No surprises, just blatant hypocrisy and idiocy. I’ll take her if it’ll bring a new majority leader. I can take that foolishness from a junior senator, but it’s worn really thin on the likes of Mr Reid.
I agree.
I’m confused. Didn’t we already decide that everything these very important politicians say is the opposite of what they mean?
I don’t know, I don’t know. It sounds like he’s trying to trump Arlen Specter as the funniest Democrat. You know, like, daring the Professional Left to condemn him for exercising his First Amendment rights to speech.
America is a free country where you can build whatever you want — but not anywhere. That’s why we have zoning laws. No liquor store near a school, no strip malls where they offend local sensibilities, and, if your house doesn’t meet community architectural codes, you cannot build at all. These restrictions are for reasons of aesthetics. Others are for more profound reasons of common decency and respect for the sacred. No commercial tower over Gettysburg, no convent at Auschwitz — and no mosque at Ground Zero. Because it OFFENDS ME..what about that!!!You lefties are always telling me how to think, what to think, what to do, what to NOT do..well, I’ve had it. It offends me..
For once, I’M OFFENDED..I dont care what you decide to paint me..I”M OFFENDED
not just bigots and idiots, but quite possibly suckers as well -
one of the earliest supporters of this Center was Labor – you know, the people ol chickenshit is gonna need in a tight mid term race.
Thank you.
RM keeps making fun of Sharron Angle, and believe me, Angle is one stupid idiotic racist twit.
But Reid? Spare me. What a _________________ (you fill in the blank in your head).
Reid allegedly is a “Senior” senator with loads of experience, and THIS is his response when being taunted by a loser like Angle? Seriously?
If I was a NV resident, I’d vote for Angle. Why not? Angle just got Reid to do her bidding, didn’t she? Might as well have Angle in the Senate, rather than having this Senator-by-proxy fake crap. Bring it on.
Oh yeah, what was that Gibbs was saying? Dems and the left will *Have* to vote for Dems because who ya gonna vote for otherwise? I say: what difference does it make when the fracken Senate Majority Leader kowtows to kooks like Angle????
You are entitled to your own opinion, but I dispute your own fictional version of “reality.” Cordova House is not right AT Ground Zero; it’s several blocks away.
Did you check out the link at 11?
And BTW, do you live in Manhattan? Have you ever visited Ground Zero? Is it OK to build a light rail commuter track thru Ground Zero. Please explicate your relationship to the site and what you would or wouldn’t do with it. Thanks.
you were of course OFFENDED when Gingrich tweeted petty political prattle from Auschwitz, right ??
and has NYC checked with you about dispatching any of their 1000+ practicing muslim police officers to the site ?
Bigots offend me, so I guess we’re even.
Do you think religion poisons everything? (I think that was part of Christopher Hitchens’s book’s subtitle.)
I cant think of anyone I would rather be EVEN with than someone who calls me a bigot…THANKS
Religion doesn’t poison anything. People do
how ’bout that NRA Denver convention days after the Columbine tragedy – constitutionally protected, right ?
I remember the good old days when rightwingnuts used to boast that it was THEIR RIGHT to offend everyone from gays to African-Americans to vegans to athiests.
Now we have to respect their feelings.
As for Harry, I think Mormonism is a cult and their leaders should be deprogrammed.
harry folded like a paper bag
I expected better from a former boxer
Of course you’re aware that the community center in question has complied with and been approved by the appropriate city boards in NYC?
Do we know what his win-loss record was as a ‘boxer’? Maybe he folded like a paper bag then too.
Okay, fair enough – although religion doesn’t occur in nature, it’s man-made.
Do you think people ought to be entrusted with what’s sacred?
don’t worry
you two ain’t “even”
you are much lower on the civilized scale
evilDrPuma is a much better person
religion IS the poison that people use
religion = arsenic
does that clear things up for you
Constitutionally protected yes…very very poor decision…classless.
BUT, it was a convention, they left after a few days.
There is no need to pour salt on American wounds and
force a presence in a setting that carries such emotional content for so
many. Building a Mosque so close to Ground Zero demonstrates profound
insensitivity to all of us.
Here’s the key:
Within one block — outraged
One to two blocks away — offended
Two to three blocks away — disturbed
Three to four blocks away — disappointed
Four to eight blocks away — ill advised
Anywhere over a mile away — frowned upon
but they aren’t al-Qaeda – I realize the influence but it was al-Qaeda that attacked us.
Why does it demonstrate profound insensitivity to all of us?
Are you saying that everyone associated with the Muslim religion is responsible for 9/11?
Is everyone associated with the right wing then responsible for Oklahoma City?
This is not about what is lawful..This is about what is appropriate.
Sometimes we have to look beyond lawful and do what is right. Building this Mosque in this area is just NOT RIGHT
But the Burlington Coat Factory Building was damaged during the attack, apparently that makes it sacred – Jonathan Capehart
You don’t listen to Jazz or care for it, do you? You know Jazz is one of the few beautiful American contributions to life and to the world. Here at firedoglake most of us are Jazz musicians taking our turns telling our story, playing text. A mosque near GZ is Jazzy and cool. The world will be a better place for it.
Freaking out about this project is just not right
And ‘at’s a big DING ef’fing DING
Because it does..
So then should I feel offended if the Republican Party, the right wing party in this country, wants to build a campaign headquarters in Oklahoma City?
Then when asked why it offends I could just say “Because it does..”
Yeah, because I say so is a real good argument, full of facts and everything there.
You, however failed to answer OFG’s question. Do you blame all right wingers (such as yourself) for the OK City bombing?
For that is the standard you are setting. Smearing and blaming all members of a group for the actions of a few most likely only peripherally connected to the larger group.
I listen to Jazz..but the blues “is my fave”. You know Jazz is one of the few beautiful American contributions to life and to the world.And you must be kidding. The United States of America has contributed abounding beauty to life and to the world. The USA is nearly perfect in its existence. Pity that you feel the way you do.
Your Flag Decal Won’t Get You Into Heaven Anymore
Within 2 blocks are thousands of businesses and organizations. Some of them are the banksters, speculators, and hedge fund crooks that caused the global economic meltdown. So why are they picking on this one entity?
Even the muslim President?
Ah, religious persecution. And state sponsored no less.
And I don’t care how many times they name drop the First Amendment, that is what I’m going to call it. I won’t believe the “wounds are still fresh” argument against it’s locations until each politician or public figure who has come out against this community center releases statements, gives speeches, or organizes rallies just as much in support of all the actual mosques that have protesters fighting against their construction in other parts of this country. They want to throw their name into the discussion, they have to deal with the whole picture.
Until then it is nothing but religious persecution for political gain.
Why thank you kindly. That chart/scale very helpful, and I’ll definitely keep it in for future reference. Of course, one issue is: who decided on the “outraged – frowned upon” ratings, but we’ll leave that discussion for another time.
However, what I’d like to know is where does the Murfreesboro, TN proposed mosque fit into this scale?
http://bancroftsblog.blogspot.com/2010/07/mosque-in-murfreesboro-tn.html
I’m not sure how far away from the “sacred” Ground Zero Murfreesboro, TN is but those TN residents don’t want a mosque either. Perhaps Senator Reid will agree with the delicate sensitivities of the good citizens of Murfreesboro, too, that building a mosque there is just, uh, wrong??
Crap. I was counting on that.
Salon has a timeline for this ground zero mosque story going back to Dec. 8, 2009.
It won’t be long before we’re apologizing for this just like we’ve had to apologize to Japanese Americans, enslaved black Americans, native Americans…
Ladies and Gents, we’ve all been had by Kumari and his/her most sublime use of snark…quite frankly it is the “mostest sublimeiest snarkiness evah!!!” Anyone who lurves this country soo much that they would be metaphorically offended to the point of holding their breath till they turn blue because “furriners” want to build something other than a church or synagogue in God’s Chosen Land of America has undoubtedly memorized the Bill of Rights, First Amendment “which clearly states…”Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…” I sit astounded at Kumari’s snarkness skills and have only to say… “America! Fuck Yeah!!”
Teddy, I share his religious heritage, but this doesn’t apply.
Mormons were chased out of everywhere they were originally welcomed because they thought they were Israelites and had a God given right to everything that belonged to the heathens, not due to religious persecution. They were thieves, and pompous at that.
Ann Eliza Young was Joseph Smiths 19th wife. She wrote a book about it and it’s available for free download.
That and Harry Reid is a worthless, spineless POS as a Senate Majority Leader…he may be a very nice man outside of politics, so I will reserve judgment for that area of his character.
I think the United States should ban the building of any more Catholic Churches because it may offend those who have been victimized by their cadre of pedophiles.
I think we should ban any more Mormon temples because gays would be offended by the church that has fought so hard to prevent them from marrying.
We should ban the building of any more Jewish temples until the Israelis stop making Palestinian Americans feel bad.
and as an atheist, I find all buildings of any religious organization to be entirely offensive to my scientific sensibilities so they ALL must be stopped.
What the hell, let’s just get rid of the constitution because many people find all those rules and rights to be very cumbersome and they get in the way of free enterprise and the expression of bigotry.
Definitely at least “frowned upon.”
That is quite a reach…
I applaud President Obama, and he didn’t flip-flop.
First, President Obama, stood up for the U.S. Constitution and the First Amendment right to freedom of religion (which also entails being free from anyone else’s religion, especially in a pluralistic religious society like ours or any democracy). Which, BTW, one would hope any president or patriotic citizen would do.
The second statement, meant to clarify, indicated to me that President Obama, while upholding First Amendment rights, also understood that the building of this Cordoba Cultural Center is actually a local issue UNDER the constitutional umbrella of the First Amendment. So, this is a local issue between a seller and a buyer, between whomever owns that plot of land two blocks from Ground Zero and a Muslim group, headed by a Sufi imam (hardly al Qaeda, usually persecuted by al Qaeda-type Muslims), who want to build a religious cultural center there.
Let’s compare.
President Obama’s Justice Department reacts to Republicans in Arizona passing anti-immigration laws by suing Arizona, on behalf of the U.S. Government, because the federal government has authority over immigration matters, NOT states. IOW, once again President Obama and his administration, at least in this case and the mosque issue, are standing up for the U.S. Constitution, not wavering.
In the Arizona immigration case, his administration is saying that Arizona Republicans crossed the line, trying to usurp federal authority, but in the Cordoba Cultural Center issue the First Amendment is preeminent, with religious freedom being guaranteed all U.S. citizens, including any that worship as Muslims…or Christians…or Jews…or Wiccans…or Hindus…or Sikhs…or whomever worshiping whatever. Now, if local authorities in Manhattan (like those Arizona state authorities over immigration) decided to discriminate against a religion (requiring a religious litmus test for a building permit), decided to throw the First Amendment into the trash bin, then I’d bet that President Obama would have said exactly what he said first and then had the DOJ sue those local Manhattan authorities.
The Republicans, on the other hand, have sided against the U.S. Constitution and the First Amendment, but they’ve been doing this for awhile now. Besides Christians and members of other religions, Muslims and Arabs were killed in the World Trade Centers on 9/11 by radical Islamic religious terrorists. Among the first responders to Ground Zero were Muslims. This planned Cordoba Cultural Center two blocks from Ground Zero is hardly a threat, and is only an affront to those who hate all Muslims (as well as any who hate all non-white Christians of any faith) or see it as a political wedge issue. The First Amendment protects all U.S. citizens, a constitutional umbrella protecting all from the toxic rain of right-wing hate. So, what is Sen. Harry Reid doing?
Now, look at what former president George W. Bush’s administration did during the housing bubble. Mortgage brokers and Wall Street investment houses were running all over the place trying to sign-up people to buy a house, the former for huge signing bonuses and the latter for huge profits to be made from derivatives packages. Some concerned state and local authorities decided to enforce state and local consumer protection laws because of some of the shady deals occurring. The Bush/Cheney administration, and an obscure federal department run by a Republican Wall Street hack, took these concerned state and local authorities all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court, getting enough right-wing justices to rule in favor of the Bush/Cheney administration, negating state and local consumer protection laws, giving mortgage brokers and Wall Street investment houses free rein to continue what they were doing…leading to the barely-averted collapse of U.S. markets and financial institutions in 2008 when the housing bubble burst when all those AAA-rated derivatives packages were revealed as frauds.
IOW, Wall Street and conservative Republican greed trumped the U.S. Constitution and states’ consumer protection laws, even though Republicans have traditionally been states rights advocates. Nothing, absolutely nothing, can be allowed to get in the way of Wall Street and conservative Republican greed, especially any state or local consumer protection laws meant to protect U.S. citizens from what amounted to legalized loan sharking. (Thus, the need now after the criminal Bush and Cheney to establish a federal consumer protection agency, hopefully headed by someone strong like Elizabeth Warren, since the Republican-packed U.S. Supreme Court sided with Bush/Cheney/Wall Street and stripped consumer protection authority from states and local governments).
Cool…Then you agree, NO MOSQUE NEAR GROUND ZERO..And NEAR is whatever the surviving families decide it is.
No, I don’t. I think you’re [edited for namecalling].
What part of freedom of religion don’t you understand?
There is a mosque a few blocks away – no protest.
There is a mosque being built in Tennessee – wingnuts are protesting. Is TN hallowed ground.
Muslim-Americans were killed in the towers as well. You don’t own 9/11.
@TheOracle. IOW, look over there..
yadda yadda..
This crap doesn’t make up for the leadership vacuum that has allowed this demagoguery and bigotry an increasingly louder voice. Obama needs to step up and make case for the moral authority enshrined in our constitution, without equivocation or deference to another set of values.
If it is near the Grand Ole Opry then it is hallowed ground in TN.
My bad on the name calling. Sorry for that. I have a brain and should be able to express myself without resorting to name calling. But it felt sooooo good.
Let me be clear, you being offended is not sufficient reason to deny others their right to worship where they want and when they want. Nobody’s rights are being stepped on by the Muslim community center.
The freedom from being offended has not yet been added to the constitution. When that happens I will support your right to prevent a muslim community center from being built at ground zero. Until that time, the constitution is clear that American citizens have the right to worship whatever dumb-ass thing they want to worship.
If you support your country and its founding ideals, then you should be championing the building of the muslim community center at ground zero. It will be a huge step forward in establishing this country as having core beliefs worth fighting for. Think about all those dead soldiers who gave their lives just so that the muslims, christians, jews et al can build a community center in America. Why do you hate America’s freedoms and if you hate America’s freedoms then why do you live here?
Harry Reid evidently has no core beliefs that he feels are worth fighting for. I consider it a cowardly act to be opposed to the mosque at ground zero so no, I don’t agree with you.
BREAKING:
What will come as a surprise to many, Senator Harry Reid is a spineless coward. We’ll keep you posted as the situation develops.
Glad those people decide our form of government now. A right without the ability to exercise it is no such thing.
Here in CA there is some more hallowed ground in a business park in south bay. Who knew? That key needs to be extended from coast to coast.
Also, what’s interesting to me is that nobody has been up in arms to help the Navajo (and several other tribes) protect their hallowed ground. Just sayin’.
http://climatevoices.wordpress.com/2010/07/15/u-s-department-of-agriculture-approves-arizona-ski-resort-to-use-sewage-water-for-snowmaking-on-sacred-mountain/
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Ground Zero is too hallowed for a mosque, but then I think it is too hallowed for bars, restaurants, and mundane businesses. Perhaps the best solution would be to bulldoze the buildings in say a 30 block radius all around the site. Then the site can remain hallowed for everyone and no one can complain of favoritism or unfair treatment. I don’t see how anyone could object to such a reasonable plan.
Gotta agree, ubetchaiam. The root of being human extends far beyond the typical ‘R vs. D’ frame.
Might I suggest a multi-dimensional framework? A physicist would disagree with both of us, perhaps saying “at the root, what we have here are fields of energy and self-filling/self-emptying vortices,” or some such thing.
And so on. At the root, what are we? At the risk of repeating myself, and for the sake of political discussion, here’s my final answer:
According to the principle of universal common descent, at the root, we’re all kin, baby, kin. ; }
This has been another edition of Mind Your Tropes, brought to you by your friendly, picky, local Zen poet. In episode one, as someone whose distant relatives were forced onto reservations, I busted DDay’s chops for using “off the reservation.” Reservations are real things, not just metaphors away from which rebels sometimes run.
In episode two, it was for the title, “Battle Lines for General Election Drawn.” Unless there are actual foxholes, barbed wire, etc. being put in place, for the sake of preserving domestic tranquility, I suggested, “Dance Lines Form for General Election.” What a site that would be! Millions of people in conga lines, or maybe doing the macarena for democracy.
Why build war into our common “wisdom” as a way of getting things done, when there are other perfectly fine ways of seeing and being human Americans?
This is getting to be a habit with me. The sooner we take Scarecrow’s suggestion, regarding how we respond to threats of terrorism: to stop using the war metaphors, the better.
Your reportage, o brother my Brother DDay, in general, I like; peppering your articles with atavistic war tropes, on the other hand, I could live without.
Word! That’s what I’m just sayin’, sort of.
I believe there already is a mosque 4 blocks away. Do you want it demolished? How about the local YMCA?
The arguments I’ve seen against the proposed CULTURAL CENTER are racist, bigoted and contrived. Harry Reid, this includes you.
Even Catholics are allowed to have churches in America, despite the centuries of war, exploitation and pedophilia they’ve brought us. I, for one, would support banning the “church,” removing its tax-exempt status retroactively to 1776 and incarcerating its child molesting and war-blessing priests, were it not for the Constitution.
Let Muslims have their cultural center there. Maybe some of it will rub off on our defiantly right-leaning, self-ignorant, self-loathing, narcissistic, self-important “culture,” or lack thereof.
Um, thanks for the defense of my freedom? Nice of you to equate your way of being human with the one true way.
Question: What makes you think atheism and science are the same?
Science is a mythos, a way of making sense of the cosmos and living a properly human life (in the terms of its culture), and it even has a religion, too. You are familiar, of course, with the entirely unscientific manner in which science progresses? Or do we download it via direct downlink with the Vulcan Science Academy?
Are you mistaking your way with THE way?
kumari has a right to her opinion, but it is clouded with religious predejuces. If it would be Hindu Temple, she would have no problem. How on earth0 she declared the ground zero a sacred place’ what criteria were used. Remember! Freedom of religion is something I am proud to be an American. Harry Ried, the boxer, the whimp, the Moran (sorry Mormon) is just being himself. don’t forget his record on health care bill, financial bail out……m
Ah, “Profiles in Cowardice.” Attaboy, Harry.
it offends me that you would discard MY CONSTITUTION because YOU are offended
wing nut FAIL
piece of paper
just’a piece of paper
You can blame this all on Obama. Forced the issue in national prominence and then threw it back in toilet.
The result is going to be a lot of other Democrats separating themselves from Obama, and Obama will be by himself.
He could have let the local process run it’s course and the center would likely have been built. But, now, he has put a big spotlight on it and with near 70% of the public against it, other Dems are going to be running for the hills AND gobs more pressure to stop it will build.
A wonderful, f’d up result.
Another log on the funeral pyre.
You are going to see alot more spineless coward Democrats in the next few weeks. I doubt you are going to see very many at all supporting this any further than Harry Reid.
Remember the old saying, “Better to keep quiet and let them assume you are an idiot that open your mouth and confirm it.”
Obama has forced Dems to open their mouth. And, a lot are going to confirm it.
It’s appropriate to follow the Constitution
that is the thing that a PATRIOT and a HUMANE PERSON would do
Harry Reid, majority leader of the U.S. Senate, is about to lose an election to an obscure moron. Strangely, this makes me smile.
I’m too hallowed for my shirt too hallowed for my shirt
So hallowed it hurts
And I’m too hallowed for Milan too hallowed for Milan
New York and Japan
I once saw David Letterman instruct the camera man to zoom in on his face. So all you could see on the screen was Letterman’s face. He just stared at the camera for what seemed like a long time with that bland stupid look on his face. Finally he said – I’m the only thing on N.B.C. right now.
The lake is beautiful late at night.
I’m outraged that my bigotry should be attacked so offensively by the bigotees! Harry Reid, motivating the Democratic base for too long now. If it weren’t for people like Kucinich and Grayson and a few others, I wouldn’t even consider what the Democrats are saying at all. Cowardice and greed.
All of this “sacred” talk reminds me of Bill Hicks’ bit about Jesus and all of the crosses out there. About 3 minutes in (3:40 total).
I wasted a couple of minutes emailing him. Won’t do any good, but I haven’t bothered in so long, it was actually kinda cathartic.
How close would Reid allow Christian community centers to 200 N.W. 5th Street in downtown Oklahoma City? After all, Timothy McVeigh was a Christian.
Learn to recognize sarcasm. See my comment at #80.