I want to thank everyone who got in touch with me after I put out the call for stories about their problems with HAMP. I encourage you to keep doing so. I plan to keep telling these stories, of forgotten people who the Treasury Department sees as data points along the road to getting the banks healthier. They need to know about the carnage this has caused in the country.
Today’s story comes from Sean, who lives in Massachusetts, about an hour outside of Boston. This was not a bubble state, and Sean wasn’t underwater on the home, which he bought in 2000 for about $90,000. The last appraisal put it at $110,000, though it probably rose and fell in there somewhere.
This story is driven by unemployment. I’m going to quote Sean at length:
After being out of work for longer than I like to think about, my wife got a job last September in a local hospital. Things were going very nicely, since we were suddenly able to make payments on time for more than a month or two in a row to Wells Fargo for the first time in years. Due to some downsizing, and her being a recent hire, she suddenly found herself back out of work after only a few months. We started to fall behind on the mortgage again, and were looking around for options when we got a call from someone (I don’t remember the name, but they didn’t charge us anything for the info) about the HAMP program, and how it would enable us to keep the house, and lower our payments, based on the idea that the bank would adjust the mortgage to match the fact that we only had one income.
At the time we applied for the modification process, we had paid back up to being about three months behind on the mortgage. We got put almost immediately in a temporary program while our paperwork was being processed. While we were waiting for things to be processed, we did get an occasional automated call about falling behind, but when we called back, we were assured that things were OK, and this was basically just a formality.
This is a familiar theme of these stories, because the trial modifications are not seen as payments on the mortgage, and as far as the lender is concerned, read as missed payments. So starting in December 2009, when Sean got approved for the trial modification, he was seen as missing payments on the house. Eventually, this temporary modification got extended out to April 2010. This whole time, Sean was promised that his permanent mod would lower his payment to around 31% of income, a savings of a couple hundred dollars a month on the somewhat small mortgage (the payments were $850 a month).
Sean continues:
Near the end of February, my wife got another job, and it was when we went looking for the 2nd car we’d need to make everything work, that we found out Wells Fargo had been reporting us late on the mortgage every month that we had been in the temporary extension. As far as any of the credit rating organizations were concerned, we were now 6 months behind on our mortgage payments, and not worth extending a loan
to. Thanks to a bit of hep from my side of the family, we ended up being able to get a loan for a beat up junker that lasted about 4 months before the brake lines basically rusted apart.Considering how long the process had taken already, and that we weren’t sure if this job would last any longer than the last one, we decided to send any new paperwork; we figured that regardless of whether the job lasted or not, sending in the paperwork would re-start the process, which would mean another 3-4 months of being reported late on our payments. And in the worst case scenario (to us) she wold lose the job after we sent in updated paperwork, and we’d get denied for the 30 or 60 days when she’d had a job.
Around the 3rd week of April, we got a letter from Wells Fargo saying that the modification hadn’t been approved. I forget the exact wording, but the reasoning amounted to not having proved to their satisfaction that she had actually been laid off of her previous job.
And oh yeah, they wanted the six thousand in back mortgage payments that we owed them in the next 30 days, unless we wanted to sign up for an in-house modification, which would enable us to pay off the loan in 6 payments, on top of the regular payments that we were going to have to make.
So not only was Wells Fargo basically threatening the family to pay up $6,000 immediately or take their in-house modification with worse terms, the five months of trial modifications blew a hole through the family’s credit rating, such that they couldn’t buy a car. And that credit rating doesn’t quickly improve.
Here’s Sean’s close to the story:
Our story takes a much happier turn than most at this point. My mother took some money out of what was supposed to have been a retirement account, and gave it to us to pay off the bank in a lump sum. The most lasting problem we have now is that when the shingles on our roof started to fall off this summer, we could not get a loan to hire a roofer to do the repair work, without having my wife’s mother put her house up as collateral. The reason? Too many missed months of mortgage payments on the credit report.
I admire Sean for looking on the bright side, because it doesn’t sound like much of one to me. His mother had to cash out a retirement account to keep him afloat, and their credit rating remains horrendous. Anything which requires more cash than they have on hand becomes extremely troublesome. And again, this is a family who made every payment they were asked to make inside the trial program, who just wanted to get some help in a time of struggle, when Sean’s wife was out of work.
Sean told me that he considers the whole process “a horrible breach of trust.” A lifelong Democrat, he says that “the worst part of all this for me is the sense of a broken promise…. this is the first time I feel like I’ve really needed something from my government, and getting screwed in a moment of need just makes it that much worse.”
It may look fine from reading balance sheets in a conference room at the Treasury Department, but at the ground level, the awfulness of this program, and what it’s doing to American conceptions of their government, really hits you.
I want to tell more of these stories. If you or someone you know has experience with the HAMP program of any kind, please contact me at david-dot-dayen-at-gmail-dot-com.




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David, thank you so much for these heart breaking articles on HAMP. I wanted you to know that a co-worker last week started to tell me about her mortage company offering her a HAMP deal and what was my opinion. I told her what I had read about HAMP and sent her some links. So she told her mortgage company no thanks. This is one real person your articles saved from a catastrophe.
Hi,
Thank you for writing this. As cathartic as it was to write out the details when I sent them, it’s that much nicer to see them out in the open, instead of just a conversation I have with a couple friends or family.
-Sean
I’ve gotten this from a couple other people as well. And we see with the slowdown in new applications that the word of mouth is spreading.
Thanks.
I wonder how much money HAMP paid Wells Fargo to do all this.
I keep thinking this just can’t get any worse…
Does anyone hear “Taps” being played in the distance for the working and middle class?
And yet, TPTB will cite that slow down in applications as proof that no help is needed at all. Problem solved!
Hey, what’s the temp up there? Pretty damn hot down here.
NPR had a similar tale tonight about HAMP, the lead-on, the promises, the bill coming due with no option, no HAMP.
The banksters have us at every single turn. Maybe I will write a diary about the little run-in I had with the bank related to our merchant credit account. These banks are all of a piece, coming and going, they have all the angles.
Fuck the banks, fuck HAMP. Let the banks eat the mortgages. This is very simple.
It’s no wonder that many at the time saw the likes of Bonnie and Clyde, John Dillinger, Baby Face Nelson et al as heroes. The Robin Hoods of the 1930′s.
Because it is so much more profitable for the robber when the stealing is done not with a gun but with a pen. . .
88 and dropping slowly
Woody Guthrie
It was 110 earlier. Dropping. Supposed to get all the way down to 80 tonight. Dog days, I guess. But, not for long.
Thanks for sharing your story with David.
And best of luck to you and your family.
It was as hot today as it has been all summer.
He said it better than I.
A thing that has always mystified me about HAMP; you could lower the payment by extending terms to 40 years, instead of 30, and leave the interest rate alone – if already fixed; if not fixed, fix it to a point or so above LIBOR, and voila, no cramdown, with a bit better payability for the distressed mortgagee.
For the other term exotica, i.e. short term balloons, just re-fix them to the 40 too.
Maddening.
We have been seeing a small, but seemingly diverse set of people that either out of necessity or choice, (mostly necessity) are simply saying NO to banks/credit card companies/ too big to fail institutions, etc; and refusing to pay!
I wonder if it might come to a tipping point where that becomes the de facto way to undermine and undercut the very foundations of these money changers and crooks, if enough of a large portion of the country chooses that path and brings the whole game to a head…it might be ugly, but it sure seems better then a slow death!
Regardless we seem to be heading to a showdown between the masses and the elites…and something is going to give!
THAT makes too much sense, especially because the banks probably would make even more money in the long run. But it would be really really HARD to do all that paperwork.
Hey David Thanks.
We aren’t seeing these stories about HAMP’s failure on the Corporate progressive(MSNBC) Net work TV…..wonder why ?….They are most interested in telling us GOP are idiots…..like we didn’t know already.
But like Hugh pointed out earlier today HAMP is a malicious program.I think designed to inflict destruction on American families….done by a Prez who calls himself a Democrat.
Here’s a better one.
Folks where is the so called House progressive caucus ….?
How come they aren’t raising hell on the Prez……well silence is deafening.That’s some kind of progressive coalition ain’t it ?
Has anybody picked up on the newest advice being delivered by all the network and cable news pundits?
They are now pounding the drums that the middle class should rethink the value of home ownership, that renting is a lot more cost efficient.
Where are all those rental houses going to come from after the corporate media succeed in convincing millions of to embrace the new rent of the American Dream? Why, from millions of those foreclosed houses.
Is this really the dirty secret of why the banks would so wrecklessly go against their best interests of getting paid back on those mortgages or limiting losses? Is there a true method in their madness in that they are striving to change from being America’s mortgage lenders into becoming America’s landlord?
I am recalling a 1969 book by a guy with the last name Ferdinand titled “The Rich and the Super Rich” in which he concluded just this senario by the end of the 20th century: that the Super Rich would make a do or die attempt to seize what little wealth still outside their clutches, and that meant none outside the wealth class would be able to own a damn thing, especially a car or house, but would have to pay rent for usage.
The last twenty years have seen the leasing of automobiles grow dramatically. In the next twenty years, banks will be in the business of renting, not lending, to anyone outside the wealth class who wants a roof over their heads.
the Great Orange Satan, ‘Muskegon Critic’ had a similar story.
I think what it’s going to take for any of the brighter people in Congress to notice is having it happen to a family member or a close friend. Or several of them. Because they’re sure trying very hard to not see what’s going on outside the Beltway.
My neighbor got approved for the modification. He realized that he was giving them the money to foreclosure on him. He refused the modification unless it was permanent and reasonable. It wasn’t so he told the bank to go fuck themselves.
WellsFargo raised our payment in the modification. We told them to go fuck themselves.
Sooner or later more and more folks will start to do this. No way around it.
There are five houses in potential foreclosure on my block.
The problem with that scenario is that the people leasing cars are the ones with money.
Joe Average isn’t likely to lease a car, because dealers don’t want to lease non-luxury models, and also, if you pay attention to the fine print, there’s a hefty balloon payment due at the end of the lease.
Buying one seems to be cheaper, in the long run, because it’s usually a five-year loan any more, where a lease is usually three years.
HAMP program is impossible – you must be economically on your death bed – and then you will not get approval BECAUSE you are economically on your death bed. I know of no happy endings.
But Freddie Mac has the HARP program that is just a fee generation for the bank with you getting a lower interest rate – since there is no income underwriting, as long as the asset value fits the guidelines you get a lower interest rate. If the fees are recovered in 18 to 24 months via reduced monthly payments because of the lower interest rate, and you can cover a thousand out of pocket for appraisal and application fee, it seems a reasonable option.
Home Affordable Refinance Program is available through June 2011
* Home must be owner occupied
* Property can be 1 to 4 units for a primary residence
* Current mortgage loan must be owned Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac
* Mortgage must be paid current and up-to-date
* Loan-to-value (LTV) can be no more than 125%
I need the following for a potential class action suit in CA.
1. Willing to be the lead plaintiff.
2. Must be CA resident and have lost a home in CA.
3. There must have been equity in the home when it was foreclosed.
and one more qualification that requires some work from me
4. The note must have been a MERS assigned note.
What do I need to do this?
Your name.
The property address.
Preferably someone in SoCal.
I’ll do the research, send you the results, and if you meet the criteria refer you to a law firm that’s serious about the class action. My email is dh at synoia dot com.
Wow.
You know I’ve been wondering what the deal was with the lenders always seeming to not care what they got in the foreclosure. Why should they?? The government (us) was there to make sure whatever they lost we would make up.
Then they own all the homes and are landlords to all. A few big banks owning most single family homes, and probably will get an anti-trust exemption along the way.
This makes sense.
And it’s scary as hell.
The question I’ve got is will Americans finally revolt over this, or will they merely accept this as the norm, that home ownership is a thing of the past and that renting is how it will be from now on.
I fear I already know the answer to that. In which case I guess they get exactly what they deserve.
*sigh*
Not sure what the Obama Administration is thinking, but it sure sounds like they could care less, for in 2012, I guess they think that the people they have thrown under the bus, will vote for them no matter what.
Someone is going to be in shock and looking for work, come 2013.
I think they are
bettinghopingpraying that the GOP will nominate Soupy Sales.I also think the GOP is trying to oblige them.
Why not bank with a local credit union?
yes,and obviously, the banks wrote the history books. Actually, there are no more governments in this world. Only corporatocracies brainwashing us down the gullies.
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Correct. Is this NOT worth a revolution??? Why NOT? Afraid to stand up for ourselves and get a cut finger or hurt somebody’s elbow?
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HARP’s a good idea but it’s suffered from a similar lack of usage.
HAMP is a prime example of government trying to do too much and ending up making matter worse.
Perhaps the government needs to come up with a HUMP program.
Hey, that’s pretty funny!
I agree as to the lack of usage, but it is possible to get through a HARP rewrite in 6 months, in contrast to HAMP where things only get worse as what few dollars you have are drained from you. At least that is my experience with those I try to help.
Chase is doing straight forward HARP these days – why I do not know – the fee income is not even a rounding error. But anyone needing HARP type change should give them a call and say they want HARP. Indeed not saying you want HARP may be a reason the Banks are not doing it.
My neighbor went through the HAMP program and we applied to the program but gave up before anything was signed. Everything you’ve said about it matches to the letter what we’ve both personally experienced.
In a nutshell, my neighbor entered the program pre-approved and got her monthly payments reduced. This went on for months while they changed the rules for approval, finally capriciously rejecting her application, once because she made two hundred dollars a month too much, and then again because she made too little. Once a decision is made there is no appeal, so like everyone else that entered into the program she got saddled with a six thousand dollar repayment demand, an impending foreclosure deadline, and a screwed up credit rating. Her only option now is to take the Bank of America alternative 40 year mortgage offer, or loose her house.
All I can say is that if there were any lingering doubts that the Obama administration is nothing more than a callous corporatist tool, then that doubt is, in the most personal way, indelibly forever branded on my forehead. This program was initiated to both help people save their homes and help shore up the real economy. It has done neither. It has in fact, cynically helped ruin many peoples last and final hopes, rather like a boot stepping on fingers clinging to a precipice.