James Conway is the commandant of the Marine Corps. One thing you may skip over in this article, which I want to reinforce, is that he’s leaving at the end of the year. So you can disregard his opinion on the kind of things that will happen after he departs:
The commandant of the Marine Corps said Tuesday that President Obama’s July 2011 deadline to begin American troop withdrawals from Afghanistan was “probably giving our enemy sustenance.”
The commandant, Gen. James T. Conway, also said that “if you follow it closely, and of course we all do, we know the president was talking to several audiences at the same time when he made his comments on July 2011.” The general apparently meant that Mr. Obama’s deadline was set for a domestic political audience as well as for the Afghans.
But the general, who is retiring this fall, said he thought the deadline might not ultimately comfort the insurgents, who could find that only a small number of United States forces leave Afghanistan next July, a possibility increasingly set forth by Pentagon officials and senior commanders. He predicted that Taliban fighters, who he said have been told repeatedly by their commanders that the Americans would leave en masse, would be demoralized when they realized that the United States was staying.
“What is he going to say to his foot troops,” he said of a Taliban commander, when, “come the fall, we’re still there hammering them like we have been? I think it could be very good for us in that context, in terms of the enemy’s psyche and what he has been, you know, posturing now for, really, the better part of a year.”
Some clever psy-ops at work there. Conway takes as a given that the US won’t withdraw much of any troops in July 2011. And then he explains what a positive that would be for the war effort a year down the road. These military guys are good.
Meanwhile, Conway is a class-A homophobe.
Based on his information from Marines, he said, “I can tell you that an overwhelming majority would like not to be roomed with a person who is openly homosexual.” But because some Marines do not object, he said, perhaps having those Marines share rooms voluntarily with openly gay service members “might be the best way to start, without violating anybody’s sense of moral concern or perception on the part of their mates.”
Asked what he meant by moral concern, General Conway said, “We have some people that are very religious.” He added: “I couldn’t begin to give you a percentage, but I think in some instances we will have people that say that homosexuality is wrong, and they simply do not want to room with a person of that persuasion because it would go against their religious beliefs.”
We wouldn’t want to step on anyone’s religious beliefs, so we’d better step on one class’ civil rights instead.
Conway admitted his personal opposition to DADT, so this isn’t about looking out for his troops, per se. This is about someone who can’t overcome his personal animus. He can’t overcome his perspective that tilts in the direction of endless war, either.
I’m glad he’s leaving and we can disregard his opinion.




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Including the people we’re fighting in the Middle East, asshole.
Maybe instead of separate sleeping quarters, he could help the Marines design a special uniform for its gay members – something that would keep them from getting the wrong kind of attention and bringing adverse consequences onto themselves – they could call it A Murka. I think he has a vision of it already.
/s
Hmmm … Thank you, David, for bringing this to our attention.
Recommended read.
I think Conway is speaking out (aka revealing his asshole opinions) because he’s leaving & wants to get his digs in before then. But I doubt that we should disregard his opinions just because he is leaving. If he thought he did not have a lot of company, he might not be so ‘outspoken.’
I wonder if he’s ever heard of Mahmudiyah? Dilawar? Abu Ghraib
Apparently the people he has in mind don’t belong to religions that don’t take, “thou shall not kill” seriously, but other than that … oh, and the covet thing – invading forces usually aren’t the best example of the shall not covet, but you know, once you delete a few of those, there’s plenty of room for the really religious guys to add in stuff like, “thou shall not be gay” and “thou shall strip, beat, torture”
Would love for him to have provided some evidence of THAT statement. Looks a lot more like they’re hammering us. The Taliban even did a full frontal attack a month or so ago (sorry, link lost to history), a very unusual move in a guerilla war. IIRC, they were nearly successful, until more U.S. troops were called in.
What idiots like Conway don’t seem able to grasp is that he has Gays serving him and living with Heteros RIGHT NOW!
Way off topic but I just finished my first interview of today. I WANT this job as much as I need it. I think I did well but there are three other candidates and I won’t find out till the end of the week. :/
LOL. Thanks for pointing out the obvious. I had missed that part.
Fingers, toes & ears crossed. Best of luck and let us know.
Yeah, Margaret. Good news, I hope.
I wish he was as concerned with the welfare of his troops and their families as he is with their sexuality and with spouting his propaganda about the war against the Taliban. I guess that isn’t likely to happen anytime soon though. Just one more reason to get rid of these dinosaurs, IMVHO.
Why is it that our military leaders are the ones being consulted about a question that requires a political/economic/religious (and not a military) answer? You cannot defeat terrorism or religious idealism with guns! It requires a political/economic/religious solution, not blowing up more stuff! WHY is that so hard for the MSM to understand?
For the same reason that CNN felt compelled to ask Mark Williams his opinion about the Islamic Center in NYC. They aren’t interested in debate, they just want fiery rhetoric. Ratings driven “news” isn’t news, it’s tabloid television.
Keeping my fingers and toes crossed.
It’s easy for Conway (I won’t even give his rank the respect it would normally deserve) to support endless war. He doesn’t have to worry about gettin’ killed or maimed in it.
Hut, two, three, four
Eat the apple
Fuck the Corps
Wikileaks was supposed to release more Afghan docs today, but I haven’t seen anything yet.
Well, I’m sure I left him with the knowledge that I know wtf I’m doing. I’m hoping everybody else applying is a poser. Getting the interview is key because I can usually talk somebody into hiring me. This is a bad environment though so no guarantees this time.
Bigoted assholes don’t deserve respect, regardless of whatever accomplishments they might have managed. Bigotry is always a deal breaker with me. Let’s sing him a hymn:
Hymn, Hymn,
F*ck Him!
The prolific David Dayen has another fresh cross-post available: Simpson Ducks Comment as More Letters Emerge
Funny how little ditties from the military stay with us. *g*
Got an email from stitchinfool. Kike doing fine after visit to SF’s regular vet. Now has that little round tummy we look for in the wee ones.
Whoop. Comment awaiting mod approval. Must have a mod-in-training.
“Kike” (pronounced key-kay) is a 5 week old kitten, mod.
I find it astounding that any moderator here would believe you capable of bigotry.
The word prolly automatically triggers an alert.
From stitchinfool: “I named her after one of the cheetahs on Big Cat Diary on the Animal planet.”
Oh, I’m sure it does but then it should be approved by the mod. Even if you’re talking about a bundle of wood, the word fa**ot spelled out will trigger a hold.
My potential new boss has ten kitties. That gives me hope in itself.
Well, I’m am bigoted against fools and assorted other assholes. *g*
True enough, but if I filled out the sign-in sheet at my local veterinarian’s office for a pet with that name, spelled that way, Dr. Silverman might well have words with me.
It sounds Japanese but I don’t recognize the word.
Not so sure about the relevance of Gen. Conway’s opinion here, Ecahn. When Truman ordered full integration of Blacks in the military in 1948 by executive order, the Armed Forces obeyed. It wasn’t necessarily the easiest order to implement, and there were bumps in the road, especially early during the Korean War. But Truman understood the Constitution, and, unlike some constitutional scholars sitting in the oval office today, he understood that on a question of civil rights the military as an institution can adapt its culture in advance of US society’s established norms.
“Kuroneko” drew some muttering from my vet and he doesn’t even know what it means. (Nihongo. Literally meaning “Black Cat”)
Regarding the good general, shouldn’t his disparaging remarks about the President (“giving the enemey sustenance”!) get him fired here and now, and with luck save the taxpayers some of his ill-deserved pension money?
My neighbors think I’m crazy when I’m calling for her. “Kuronko! Doko na no?”
(Black cat! Where are you?)
I don’t either. Cheetahs are native to Africa so I’m thinking that’s where the name originates.
I had an uncle who was thrown out of the Army for refusing to work, live and eat with black servicemembers. These days we’re apparently supposed to coddle the bigots.
LOL…
Oops. That’s Kuroneko. Musta dropped the e somehow.
Hey, General Conway!? What’s the difference between a straight Marine and a gay Marine?
A: A six-pack.
Not that it will happen but demoting and firing a few generals would be a wonderful therapeutic to this kind of bigotry and policymaking by the military. The message would be especially strong in Conway’s case since it would show nearness to retirement was no protection.
“We have some people that are very religious.” He added: “I couldn’t begin to give you a percentage….”
Chloe……? Get me Mikey Weinstein on the horn pronto.
http://www.truth-out.org/troops-punished-after-refusing-attend-evangelical-concert62504
You know the brass is born again when the christian rock kids say they’ve gone too far. the evangelical air force takeover is largely complete from what I understand.
Depends on what you mean by complete. I know several atheists, agnostics and even Wiccans in the Air Force. That doesn’t mean there hasn’t been pressure though. That’s there certainly.
IIRC it wasn’t long ago the AF had to clean out a lot of the fundies at the AF Academy.
Conway’s retiring is very interesting. The decision came shortly after his comments about DADT.
Either Secretary of Defense Gates is enforcing discipline, or Obama is signaling to his generals that he, not them, is the Commander-in-Chief.
I notice that General Petraeus is not grandstanding quite as much as he used to. That either has to do with McChrystal’s departure and his own demotion or it has to do with the fact that he is not delivering as promised in Afghanistan.
yup, that’s what I just don’t understand. This is an easy one. If any institution knows how to implement full integration of gays – its the Army. Those that don’t accept it get discharged. What’s so hard Obama? Are you too afraid the Christian Crazies have over-evangelicized the troops? That’s an easy one to fix as well.
And good luck on the job, I’ve got my fingers crossed for you…
I think he’s planning to run for political office. Wants to establish his “authoritarian” cred while he’s still in office.
Hauling Conway into my waiting WayBack Machine, I set the controls for the late 1930s.
Suddenly his quote changes.
General Conway says, “We have some people that are very religious.” He adds, “I couldn’t begin to give you a percentage, but I think in some instances we will have people that say that miscegenation is wrong, and they simply do not want to room with a colored person because it would go against their religious beliefs.”
A bigot is still a bigot in any era…
This guy is a ****ing idiot who missed an important part of the bible.
THOU SHALT NOT ****ING KILL!!!!!
So breathing the same air as one of teh gayz is a worse sin than droning the crap out of a wedding? Torturing some 14 yr old goatherder, threatening a kid with prison rape? That’s all cool, just don’t go near teh gayz?