Greg Sargent thinks that the rift between Peter Orszag and Barack Obama on the Bush tax cuts is overblown:
“The point I was trying to make is that we can’t afford the tax cuts over the medium term, and they shouldn’t be made permanent — but the middle class tax cuts should not expire today,” Orszag told me.
“If the price to be paid for that a temporary extension of the upper income tax cuts, my view is that we should reluctantly accept that,” Orszag continued. “I would prefer that that not be the price that is paid.” [...]
But, in truth, there’s not too much daylight between the two positions. In the real world, the White House can’t come out for a compromise right now, because it needs to stake out a tough negotiating position. Orszag, by contrast, isn’t constrained by that imperative. In reality, his position is largely in line with that of the administration — both want to end the tax cuts for the rich, though there’s a bit of disagreement over how to get there.
Uh, actually, it’s a far bigger rift, Greg. Orszag wants all the Bush tax cuts to expire. Obama doesn’t; he wants to keep them all but the ones on the top 2%. That’s a $3 trillion dollar difference over the next ten years.
In addition, those “middle class” tax cuts that Obama would preserve, because of their effect on the lower tax brackets which the rich also use, would actually aid the rich more than the poor:
I know I’m supposed to hate on Peter Orszag, and I think a lot of what he said in that op-ed was absurd, but here’s the difference between him and the President on this one. He wants to return the tax policy on everyone to the policies of the late 1990s, preventing an additional $4 trillion dollar hole in the budget over the next ten years. Obama doesn’t. He wants to extend the tax cuts of George W. Bush in every capacity except the ones directly targeted at the upper class. But even the cuts not directly targeted in that manner would benefit the upper class greater, in terms of raw dollars.
Orszag’s mistake was even bringing up the possibility of a compromise, which Republican leaders are running with today. But they’re conveniently sidestepping the part where Orszag wants all the tax cuts to expire. They want to extend all of them for two years and then “have the debate” to extend all of them at that time. Politically, Orszag is a moron for giving this opening. On the policy, his prescription is far different than pretty much anyone in this debate, further than virtually any politician in America is willing to go.
Personally, I believe there are some better places to look for revenue than in the pockets of the middle class, and Orszag’s theories that you can’t wring out more than 0.5% of GDP from the military budget are absurd (he actually says that anything more isn’t politically feasible, as if letting all these tax cuts expire is!). But let’s just better define the terms here.






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As always the important thing is to look at what Obama does, not what he says. I think the White House was using Orszag to send up a trial balloon on keeping all of Bush’s tax cuts for a couple of years. I would not believe what either man had to say about anything, in other words what their “true” positions are about keeping or disgarding those tax cuts.
Check out the latest chapter from Orzag Shrugged:
Exactly.
Taxes are an inevitable part of fiscal responsibility – the real kind, not the election-year kind. The tax cuts under Bush are irresponsible, and I don’t just mean the ones for the super-rich.
How the hell you sell that fact in a country where saying that is considered a ‘gaffe’, I don’t know.
I actually agree with Orzag that those tax cuts across the board should expire, though I disagree that all the tax cuts should be extended in the near term, and I think it was dangerous and stupid to suggest it. I think Hugh has it right and Greg has it right in the sense that the Obama admin will agree to a temporary extension of those cuts to “save” the middle-class cuts.
I think there are much better tax cuts aimed specifically at the working class and middle class that could be proposed.
I’m glad you made the point because most people don’t understand progressive taxation. I didn’t until a couple of years ago. I had known before that that I wasn’t paying much in percentage because I had pencil and papered my actual percentage. It made me very short with tax whiners, none of whom had ever figured their real tax percentages. Then I read an excellent article on progressive taxation and, et, voila, enlightenment.
This latest pitch is just another cynical play to the ignorant ploy. I’m shocked, shocked!
“…the White House can’t come out for a compromise right now, because it needs to stake out a tough negotiating position…”
LOL, without question the funniest thing I have read in a long time. Thank you so much, David, for reading this insipid crap from Big Media so I don’t have to. You are a national treasure, sir.
If this congress gets ahold of this issue, they’ll just F it up more and we’ll, once again, take it on the chin. Just let ‘em, expire. if they want a righteous tax cuts for actual working people. let ‘em pass another bill…if they can get it by the Senate.
What the hell diff is it for a working family to have an extra 200 bucks in their pockets at the end of the year?
In an election year?
David, you can’t believe this was a mistake?
Well, my response to Orszag as someone who doesn’t sip cocktails in the Beltway was:
“Wait a second, why is that even on the table? The idea of keeping the tax cuts on the super-rich in order to ‘compromise’ on keeping the tax cuts on middle-class spenders is a really bad one. I can see the idea of making sure that people in lower brackets can keep spending to help the economy, but no one backs tax cuts for the super-rich anymore.”
But I guess I just don’t understand Washington, its wonders to behold, with my gravy-drenched Southern brain.
It’s just a weird way for them to lead with this and so I’m skeptical of any ideas of Orszag floating a balloon for Obama.
It would be like if they issued a press release stating “We’d rather not compromise with the Republicans on bombing the hell out of Iran in order to get environmental legislation passed. Wouldn’t that suck? We’re really not in favor of that possible compromise.” No, of course you’re not, because no one is, and yet you’ve just tipped your hand that it’s a possibility.
Just to reiterate: a ‘compromise’ that keeps the tax cuts on the super-rich in order to keep the tax cuts on the middle class indicates a broken political system that serves the rich to the exclusion of national interest. So I’d hope it’s DOA now thanks to Orszag’s musings.
Just the opposite: the fix is in.
If they are extended for 2 years…guess what happens in 2 years?
President Pawlenty and permanent tax cuts, that’s what happens.
…that man who with his fingers cheats
who lies with every breath
b. dylan
Obama could have enacted a sound Obama tax policy – to benefit workers and the poor – much earlier when he had the wind at his back and the magic sixty Democratic Senators. Then, let the 10 year Bush Tax Cut Knob Job for the rich expire as designed with his plan to kick in immediately.
Having that feather in his cap, he could then have moved to other issues with the working people and the poor solidly behind him.
Instead, he gave us more wars, more military contractors, more domestic surveillance with the power to kill American citizens without due process, an increased Pentagon Budget, HCR to benefit big Pharma and AHIP, and a committee to take a hatchet to Social Security and Medicaid.
IMHO, Obama has planned to keep the Bush Tax cuts to benefit the rich all along.
David -
Why not convert the Bush tax cuts into tax credits or cuts that phase out to zero as income exceeds by 10,000 whatever cutoff Obama wants to pretend he is protecting – as you get the lower tax rates under 250,000, but at 260,000 they are gone (I know the marginal rate goes very high for that 10,000, but if too high just extend the phase out to the next 50,000 of income – so at 300,000 the old rates apply everywhere).
Better is to convert the tax “cuts in rates” into tax credits at the rich fellows tax rate of 35% – the result would be an additional tax cut for most folks – but not the rich – and then add a 10% surtax for that part of their income over 1 million, and another 10% surtax for the part over 10 million, and another 10% surtax for the part over 100 million, and another 10% for the part over $1 billion.
Yeah, maybe I’m just overestimating how much they need to finesse this.
“We reluctantly accept that we may have to keep the one group of tax cuts that we ran on ending, because we also told you we would do another thing! And you want us to keep our promises, right?”
Maybe that really IS all they need to do to make the message ‘the Republicans are screwing you again!’
I just figured they’d get to that line of bull at the end, like they sprung it on us in health care reform and financial reform, but it is coming up on November and they do need that contributor cash.
Well said Hugh.
This reminds me of the HCR debate,when the WH
would send Jonathan Alter out on the Ed Shultz show….And he would begin his “spheel”…I am for the Public Option but progressives have to be able to go on without a Public Option if…….
The same crap…..only Orzag is the one floating the trial balloon for the WH this time around.
The White House HAS COME OUT FOR A COMPROMISE.
The original law says ALL tax cuts expire.
The Republicans want ALL tax cuts to remain in place.
The White House has proposed a COMPROMISE to allow the tax cuts for those under 250,000 to remain.
The problem is that this administration always proposes their compromise as their opening position thus allowing the republicans and the media to paint a compromise as being even a further move toward the republicans.
The dems should have allowed all the tax cuts to expire and also passed a NEW set of tax cuts for the middle class that would go into effect as soon as the Bush cuts expired. When the republicans said “no” to the new tax cuts and didn’t vote for them the dems would have had a good talking point for this fall’s campaign. This whole issue could have been done and over with MONTHS ago.
well, I for one have tired of Mr Alter and his rantings that progressives must suck it up and vote for dems to save the party.
When will we hear Mr Alter give that same piece of advice to Blue Dog politicians and tell them that they should suck it up and vote for progressive policies in order to save the party? When does Mr Alter think the Blue Dogs must compromise? Apparently never…
They better do a more progressive tax system for middle class. People including tea party agitating folks will be happy and we all will contribute to economic expansion by creating jobs due to extra dollars in our pockets and will able to maintain a better standard of living. In this scenario people who have to pay more will be super rich and tea party sponsors the ones who are able to afford those progressive taxes.
How we can get more info out about Republican Presidents like Pres. Theodore Roosevelt and Pres. Eisenhower who are worthy of true and whole-hearted praise to the current super-wealthy tax cut agitating Republicans themselves so that they come to realize that their past republican president policies actually led to the economic system growing bigger and also made our market system more competative and healthier.
Defense needs to be cut by a minimum of 15% from its (non-war) baseline.