I’ve been thinking a lot and talking to a lot of people about the Elizabeth Warren appointment, which we can expect officially tomorrow. And I think something Jon Cohn wrote, which incidentally references me, makes me far more comfortable about it.
One potential bonus of the appointment is that, as a special assistant, Warren could consult on issues besides consumer protection. As critics like FDL’s David Dayen have pointed out, Obama’s economic team could use some more ideological perspectives. Virtually every key policy adviser represents the same, relatively narrow swath of center-left thinking. (That’s even more true with the departure of economist Christy Romer.) The team could also stand to have a few more people from less privileged backgrounds. Warren, who is a more unabashed populist and comes from a working-class family, would provide that diversity.
As I said in that article referenced above, Warren has a different worldview than virtually all of the economic policy advisers that have the ear of the President. Sure, there are a couple progressives with the title of Assistant to the President, like Melody Barnes of the Domestic Policy Council or Political Director Patrick Gaspard. But when it comes to financial policy, nobody with the stature or intellectual weight of Warren is anywhere close to the President’s inner circle. And Warren’s role puts her even closer.
This is what many of us have been calling for since the beginning of the Presidency, for someone to break the Geithner/Summers stranglehold on marcoeconomic policy. Warren will at least have a chance to take her concerns right to the President, and not just on consumer protection. She would have the Assistant to the President title, the top access level at the White House, at the same level as Rahm Emanuel and only a dozen other advisers, and arguably more access to the President than cabinet members have. We don’t know exactly what meetings she will be in on and what she won’t, but at a very fundamental level, she gets an entryway into the White House’s inner circle and will have a presence there. In other words, this is the “team of rivals” that Obama has been claiming but hasn’t existed on macroeconomic policy. It has the potential to move the center of gravity in the Oval Office away from the banks. Here’s what I wrote before:
Obama came in promising to set up a “team of rivals” in his cabinet and his government. But on macroeconomic issues, that really hasn’t transpired. Geithner and Summers have the upper hand and basically present their narrow worldview. The problem is that just isn’t enough in these particular times, with mass unemployment and low growth. Their ideas have been good for the banks, which they saved, and corporations, which they allowed record profits. It’s even true that they averted a Depression. I have no problem believing that. But we’re at a new stage, and zombie banks, corporate profits and depressed workers makes for a terrible concoction of economic stagnancy.
Can Warren alone pull us out of that? Of course not. But she does have a different mindset, one that will at least give consumers a fair shake, and force the banks to compete on service and quality rather than how well they can rip off their customers. The rules exist in the FinReg law to end predatory lending (it’s a really good anti-mortgage fraud bill), and on the rest, the data gathering and research possibilities for the CFPB alone are enough to whip the banks in line. But only if the right leader forces that on them. And I think she understands that fraud – not cleverness, not ingenuity or innovation – sits at the heart of Wall Street, and rooting out that fraud is the only way to let the markets function again.
Paul Volcker ran the President’s Economic Recovery Advisory Board, but was never an Assistant to the President. Neither is Jared Bernstein, the Vice President’s economic adviser. Warren will have the top access level as well as her position of prestige and a constituency outside the White House willing to back her up.
The CFPB position is obviously a bit more muddled. We’ll see how Obama explains it in his announcement, but as I understand the deal, and as others have explained in reports, she’ll basically be in charge of standing up the agency. She will not be under the same roof as Geithner, and he will not have day-to-day management over the operations of the agnecy. This will be as close to an independent position as you can get under the law. In addition, this doesn’t take the possibility of an appointment down the road off the table (Barney Frank is spinning with the “she doesn’t want the appointment anyway”; I don’t believe that for a second); I wouldn’t argue this enhances that, but having her set the course and the vision for the agency is plenty important.
Here’s my caveat on this. I remember in 2008 being very excited that Samantha Power was connected to the Obama campaign. She was a forceful opponent of genocide and a brilliant Harvard professor, and having her inside the inner circle on human rights and national security decisions was a major point in then-candidate Obama’s favor, in my book. Then she called Hillary Clinton a monster, got somewhat demoted, is stuck in a midlevel job at the National Security Council, and now the Administration has no debate over the legality of extrajudicial assassinations of American citizens. So there’s a lot that can go wrong here.
But I’m willing to agree with Robert Kuttner; this looks pretty good, especially the Assistant to the President part. It’s a job that Professor Warren wants and will carry out with her same aggressive advocacy for the middle class. We have a voice in the inner sanctum, I would say for the first time ever.





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This is what is called polishing a turd.
I’ve worked in a consulting capacity, and I found that my effectiveness was very much diminished versus what I could have accomplished if I had simply been put in charge.
The spinners are out in force today, but a lot of us are not falling for it.
Do we have a voice or has it been muzzled? Is this just to shut her up so she can’t be off message as Obama heads into his center-right reelection campaign?
I think we’re really losing an articulate voice from the outside.
I’d feel differently if I believed the adminstration gives a damn about anything other than their reelection and their personal fortunes.
what was that voice doing for you on the outside, tangibly, in terms of policy? Also, is her desire to take this job not to be a factor in any of this? Is she an articulate champion or an easily-rolled doormat? Which is it?
And I’m saying that, to the extent anyone’s in charge of that agency at this moment, she’s in charge of it, more than she’d be cooling her heels waiting for confirmation.
The counterfactual is that if today the talk was “they’re nominating her,” everyone here would be saying “just like Dawn Johnsen, she won’t get the job.” I think I’m being fairly consistent. I think she should get both the interim directorship and the nomination. And I would have said that either way, and did say it today. But the Assistant to the President adds a new wrinkle and broadens this beyond consumer protection.
Obama would have another chance to recess appoint her in 3 weeks. That in my view would be better than special advisor. I agree that getting her through the regular confirmation process would take too long.
Can you imagine if a Republican pundit had written this, instead of Jon Cohn:
In other words:
She was voicing policy ideas in clear simple language like Democrats were able to do decades ago. She used to blog over on TPM and she would actually talk to real people! Imagine, a Democrat who can talk to the folks.
I’ve pretty much given up on the establishment party and this administration so I guess it doesn’t much matter if she gets the real job or whatever this job is.
I’m looking for new leaders unafraid to voice ideas that conflict with establishment orthodoxy. I’m looking for leaders willing to engage with people, not just preach at them or talk down to them. I’m looking for leaders smart enough to explain to the Democratic Party what it used to be and needs to be in the future. I’m looking for leaders with heart and soul not merely pragmatism and process.
For some reason, Warren has the ability to draw people in and engage their minds not just their basest emotions. Neither party seems to want anyone like that where they can’t be controlled. It’s no wonder big business is scared of her. But I expect her bosses in the White House or Treasury will be equally terrified.
It’s obviously kool-aid day. I think Warren is an exceptional person. And for this reason she won’t be put in charge of anything, because she would be effective at it. This is the nature of this administration.
You don’t get the Assistant to the President, then. It’s debatable. I think there’s value in both, but I think there’s still a chance to get both in this set-up.
No matter how you try to spin this, the bottom line remains the same.
Warren will NOT be head of the agency. And the reason she won’t be head of the agency is because the MOTU don’t want here there. And if you think Obama used this appointment to effectively give her MORE power than if she were just the head of the agency, thus angering the MOTU even MORE, then you haven’t been paying attention to the last two years of the Obama administration.
Cohn is smoking crack and biting off on bullshit again. Isn’t the first time. I find it almost hilarious what contortions people will go through to bite off on this shit. Look at the track record of this administration, and especially the economic team. And then consider how well Summers, who is co-equal if not most likely superior in the financial pecking order to Geithner, and Geithner have worked with women. Not very well is the answer. The desperation to find a pony in the horseshit is mind boggling.
The problem is “Assistant to the President” means what Obama wants it to mean.
At this point he does not deserve the benefit of the doubt.
Thank you.
Wish I could’ve written that.
Well done sir.
No, this removes any possibility, however thin and remote it certainly was at this point , that remained for getting her confirmed as head. Obama could have done this happy horseshit two months ago; but NOBODY is going to question it suddenly coming as Democratic base motivation is tanking and the mid term elections are a mere six weeks away? It defies belief.
I think this appointment is a big joke on the progressives. I’m not laughing.
Right they brought on Volker and ignored him. He was trotted out to give their team an air of credibility and gravitas. Haven’t heard from him in quite awhile. If they truly valued her opinion, they would have really considered her for the real position. She is safe till the second week in November. That is when I expect that they will announce their real choice for the position, probably Judd Gregg if he has forgotten that he s a Repub again. If there is so much opposition to her for the nomination, why do you have this fantasy that they will listen to her advice, even with the decoder ring that comes with being the special advisor to the President. I think you also get an autographed picture.
Her office will be a converted panic room.
Destroy All Democrats
On what planet is the current crew center-left?
Maybe they’d be considered center-left at a hedge fund convention.
We have uniformly supported Warren as a consequence of her expertise, intelligence and integrity.
If she takes the job, it seems to me that these heralded qualities will insure that she will not be a token appointment.
I trust her.
I will defer to Elizabeth because she is super smart and savvy. She’s smarter than geithner, Obama, and summers. However, having worked in Hollywood and being trained as an intellectual renaissance type, you can be smarter than a lot of the guys, but not as cunning I.e. Willing to lie,cheat, and steal. I’m hoping she has figured all this out. If so, then I am imagining that she is thinking of herself as part of the resistance as in WWII and laying low and beating the gd Nazis, then we have real hope.
That’s right. Dawn Johnson – pulled. Geithner, Summers, Gates, Petreuas, – In like Flynn. Drug Tsar – Pinche. Tax Cuts, Trickledown – check. Increased Pentagon Budget, Expanded Wars, Expanded executive powers, Liberal Supreme Picks – R U Kidding? Cramdowns – No Way. Fin Reg – a joke. Gitmo – still going. DADT – still going. DOMA still going. Faith Based Inititiatives – check. Charter Schools, NCLB – still going. Union Busting – check, EFCA – R U Kidding?
Odds Say – Obama’s Warren Play is another red herring. Especially in light of what we f*cking r*tards know about their plight over voter enthusiam.
I’m going to remain skeptical. I don’t see this as anything other than a way of keeping Warren’s criticism muted. It worked with Dawn Johnsen.
Which is a good way of bringing up the issue of Samantha Power. If Obama had wanted her input, he could have gotten it. He got what he needed out of her, which was political cover. At the same time she was calling Hillary Clinton a monster, Obama was hiring the brain trust behind our non-response to the Rwanda genocide for his foreign policy team, plus extraordinary rendition spokesmodel John Brennan.
Now, she’s safely buried where no one will hear from her. Problem solved.
We should draft Warren and primary his ass.
Screw it. She could run as an Independent. Could be a four way race with The Tea baggers running their own Jerk.
You shoulda stopped digging, David.
Pardon me, David. But this is complete fucking bullshit. As part of the administration, she is not in any fucking way independent or objective. For over thirty years, I’ve watched great folks disappear into an administration never to be useful again. The choice is not the false one you present. Rather, it is either go with the flow or fucking resign — and possibly embarrass and undermine the president.
NO ONE does the latter.
Just thought this needed to be repeated.
Samantha Power was right. So she’s gone. How she could be married to that jackass Cass Sunstein is a wonder.
David –
You just can’t keep from giving the Obama admin and the Dems the (totally undeserved) benefit of the doubt, can you?
P.S. This doesn’t qualify you and your wife for that $150 dinner I promised, because that was under the condition that Warren got appointed to, and actually become, head of the CFPB, not some cockamamie powerless made-up shit position.
Differing magisteria, I guess.
Yes they do.
Have you ever heard of Cyrus Vance?
This thread is a shocking indictment of Warren’s integrity.
I believe in her. I thought almost everyone here did as well.
Not only do people do the latter – Matthew Hoh did and he’s now out there as the executive director of the Afghan Study Group report, and there are literally hundreds of other examples throughout history – but if Warren wasn’t getting what she expects out of this job, I have no question she would too. She has a good job at Harvard waiting for her. You just think she’ll roll over, and that’s fine. Your choice is “have no power” or “get into power and be rendered powerless.” Whose is false?
this is nothing… Warren has no power and the office is meaningless.
it is simply an attempt to shut the left up.
We don’t know what will happen, so everyone is guessing based on their biases/views/prejudices of the actors. If I were in her position, I’d be very happy with how this is developing. It gives her a chance to work this on the inside, which she wouldn’t have on the outside. It’s not a guarantee things will go well; it just keeps the possibility of something useful alive. If it turns out that’s not possible, then if wouldn’t have been possible under any scenario. So I agree with David’s main story: this is a good development.
Of course, this could all turn out badly. But it was already awful; it hasn’t been made worse by getting her on the inside in a high position.
I think the most important thing progressives can do now is not attack her arrangement but to continue demanding the resignation of the rest of the incompetent Obama team. They’re the ones who have failed, and they should be reminded of that every day. Let them worry about their own jobs, while she does hers.
But I’m hungry!
We just disagree on this, everyone. I’m sure that makes me an a-hole sellout apostate GET OFF MY BLOG YOU OBOT to some, but I’m not going to stop calling them as I see them.
Geithner & Summers will squash anything and everything she recommends. I really wish she would have told Obama, it’s the nomination or forget it. We’ve already seen Obama throw his own Reverend under the bus for political gain.
No one is indicting Warren’s integrity. That’s just plain stupid.
No, it most certainly DOES NOT make you that.
At all.
And I sure as hell do hope you will keep calling them as you see them. I come here to read how you see them, not how well you could articulate how other folks sees things.
I don’t agree with that. An agency’s character is formed in its first year or two, by the people in charge of setting it up, writing its procedural/policy-making rules, and putting key people in place. This is a critical period, and it’s important to have someone we trust there now. That appears to be what her assignment is; if it turns out she’s not allowed to do that, I’m sure she’ll find a way to let people know. But that will signal that this arrangement didn’t matter; that it was all doomed anyway. We don’t know that.
If this works out well, I’ll be delighted. I just don’t want to see another brilliant woman made to look useless. I still haven’t recovered from the Dawn Johnsen episode.
I detest Geithner and his high class smirk and don’t want him to be her boss.
Of coures you are! You are contending she is taking a hollow job and that when she is ignored she will just go along to get along.
Own up to what you are doing.
The problem is that we’ve noticed a pattern with these nominees. Dawn Johnsen, Samantha Power, even Christina Romer, all sign up thinking they’ll make a difference, spend months in a limbo of one form or another, and then we never hear from them again. I’m guessing we’ll be seeing this repeat itself with Elizabeth Warren.
If I were to give her some advice about how to maintain her power to make things happen the way she wants it to, then she shouldn’t sign any NDAs.
She will do the same now as before… She will be a voice for humane financial regulation and practices. And like now, she won’t actually have the power to do anything about it.
That’s why were pissed
This IS crazy. As special assistant, Obama only is obliged to listen to what she has to say. If he considers it, and chooses to ignore it, it would be DISHONORABLE for her to resign. What is it about this that you and oldgold don’t understand?
If your point is that at least she would have access, fine. I can go along with that. But anyone who knows anything about Washington knows a powerful person like her has LESS influence inside than on the outside.
Ditto. We disagree here, but I want to read your own opinions, not mine handed back to me.
I’m not going honor that with a response.
Dawn Johnsen was left powerless by an endless confirmation hearing/process — she remained on the outside the entire time — and there wasn’t enough support/integrity from the inside. The AG himself was useless. That’s why you want someone you trust on the inside to be fighting for bringing in other good people — and in a position to walk into the Oval Office and say, “I need this person.”
And you’re confusing goint along to get along with accepting or denying a personal request by the President of the United States of America.
If it were some hollow job working for some other outfit, I have no doubt she would back out if it wasn’t what she thought was right.
But it just isn’t that easy when you’re asked by the POTUS to do something.
No one here is questioning her integrity. Well, perhaps some are. I’m not.
You just did!
I don’t think anyone is saying that. I’m not.
Y’all are assuming that the alternative to “special advisor” is we get nothing.
If Obama had made her a recess appointment in early August the bureau would have real leadership, and no one would be talking about this anymore.
David, I don’t think you are an Obot at all. I simply have no trust left in this administration. I fear that they will stab her in the back by seeing that she fails and then blame her for it. I hate feeling this way about my gov’t.
The “proof” won’t be if she accepts or declines the job (although if she declines it I suppose it would be fair to draw a conclusion).
The “proof” of whether this is real or bullshit will come months later. After all, it could be that what Obama is telling her sounds like a good way to influence the new agency. And it could be that Obama is lying to her face. She wouldn’t be able to know that until after she got in.
Warren has driven the discussion more toward the progressive point of view on the outside than anyone has on the inside. Barry’s not abandoning progressives because he’s not hearing our voices.
If she is as compliant as you suggest, why have we all been screaming for her to be the head of the CFPB?
I trust her intelligence and integrity. She would not take or stay in this job to be a mere progressive token.
This is a classic Obama administration move: insist to progressives that they must accept this half-measure because, well, there’s simply no, no, no way they could beat a filibuster, and they’re going to make sure of that by not even trying and surrendering to the filibuster without even making an effort.
Appointing Warren to a full five year term was such a small gesture that Obama could have made toward progressives, and if Republicans wanted to battle over her appointment during election season it was a slam-dunk winner.
Instead, Obama couldn’t even bring himself to make that one little gesture without cutting it in half. And we’re supposed to talk ourselves into thinking that, hey, maybe the Obama administration spitting in our faces yet again is actually a good thing?
The negative comments about this appointment have nothing to do with criticizing Warren’s integrity, but everything to do with criticizing O’s integrity.
On edit: And there’s plenty of evidence in the record for doubting everything O claims to do that is any way, shape or form, progressive.
Not at all. A future formal appointment, and then if needed, a recess appointment if the confirmation is stalled, is still possible later, perhaps even likely. It’s not clear that waiting for that process to play out would be better than where we are, which puts her to work immediately.
She would if she were being lied to and thus made her judgement based on lies.
Once again, no one is accusing her of being “compliant.” When you take a job in an administration, like what I understand is being offered to her, you are part of a team. You get your say and that’s all. If you’re outvoted, you don’t resign — unless on moral grounds.
If Warren’s advice is outvoted by Summers and Geithner, it would be dishonorable for her to resign. The question — and disagreement — here is ONLY about where she can be most effective as a consumer advocate.
Yes, the criticism here is aimed at Obama. But, you can’t make this particular case without implicitly calling into question Warren’s integrity.
I really hope your take on this is correct David. I want to be happy, but I’m so pessimistic after the last couple of years. :)
The country, and Dems specifically are so desperately in need of REAL CHANGE. The very underpinings of our economic structure need a full re-vamp. Warren seems just the woman to get that kicked-off by setting up this new agency, staffing it and establishing rules of the game.
If in addition, if she can act as a counter-weight to Geithener/Summers, and Obama listens to her……maybe the second 1/2 of this Admin will be a bit more palatable.
No, if she accepts this job and is ignored, it would be dishonorable for her not to resign. You have it exactly backwards.
Your logic does not follow. There could be plenty of well meaning reasons why Warren would take the job, like she’s going to really really really really try to have influence. Many of us think that no matter how hard she tries, she won’t have any influence. Don’t know why you find that distinction so hard to comprehend.
Well, we’ll see what she does.
Hope she’s a bulldog. Doubt she’ll fade into a back office, or take too much horseshit from these mobsters without calling them out.
Girl’s no fool. Obviously she thinks that despite whatever these petty creeps think they want, the larger situation needs her and she can still do some sort of good. She’s already made of steel to deflect all the egos and bullshit and still give a fuck.
Yeah they’ll use her politically and try to crush her, blahblah, but I’m not willing to grant Super Genius Rahm & Co. another easy bug on their shoe just yet. Hopefully their tired schtick is starting to be Duran Duran in a Lady Gaga world.
Good.
I love to read your articles. They are reasoned and sensible, and are worthy of consideration regarding the issues.
You’re wrong. Obama would not “ignore” her. He would listen to what she has to say and, judging from past behavior, likely go in a different direction. She would not resign BECAUSE she has integrity. You have it precisely backwards.
Big slap in the face. Typical Obama move.
Why do you get to be sole judge of what is honorable and dishonorable?
Have you ever been personally asked by the President of the United States to do something?
We’ll know in a matter of 6-8 months whether this was real or not. I have no doubt if it’s not real, i.e., if she doesn’t have the clout she thought she should have, that she’ll make that public. Even if she chooses not to resign.
Oh to be a fly on the wall in her first meeting with Summers, when he accuses her of not being as smart as the men in the room.
Let’s just say while there is ample reason not to trust Obama on this appointment, that doesn’t necessarily guarantee he’s being duplicitous. The good news is that if this appointment is bullshit, then Warren resigning as the “special assistant to the president” to primary him would almost guaranty credibility for her challenge…
But it’s completely understandable. Obama and the band of nimrods surrounding him have proven to be completely craven, socially unjust, and not worthy of our trust.
Talk is cheap. Proof is in the pudding. Show me the money!!!
Then we’ll clap.
Shucks, given that others have a different view than me, it does not look like I get to be the sole judge.
And in the meantime the fact is:
This was her agency. She thought it up. We wanted her to be the head of the agency. And the bottom line is she WILL NOT BE HEAD OF HER AGENCY. Spin it any way you want, but that’s still the bottom line.
Rachel just posited that women may vote for the person running for office based on what that person’s policy is, not because of the candidate’s gender chromosome. What a radical notion. /s
She might be. You don’t know that she won’t. In fact, I expect she will be nominated.
If she were only nominated, perhaps not you, but many here would be screaming DAWN JOHNSEN, DAWN JOHNSEN! And, they would have a point.
That conversation may already have occurred.
This is the key point. While there may be disagreements on this thread, I dare say that, if any of us accepted a special advisor position, and the president listened carefully to what we had to say, but went in another direction, the LAST thing we would do is resign in protest.
Let me try to make the point in another way. Warren certainly would not have accepted the same position in Bush’s administration. Why? Because she would be relatively certain that her opinion would carry absolutely no weight and she surely wold be put in a position of going along or resigning. Why bother?
Accepting a position in the Obama administration means that she has made a good-faith judgment that she will be listened to and be able to sway policy. Once that assumption is made, and she joins the administration, if she makes her case and the assumption turns out not to be true, she does not resign. Because that would be so uncool.
I wouldn’t be a bit surprised. It’s certainly been said behind her back, it not yet to her face.
this person enjoys false arguments(just sayin)
Yeah, true.
That one probably wasn’t fair at all.
Sorry.
poor O donnel,her big boufant hair has sucked all the blood and oxygen from her one brain cell……..lawdy
Put even more simply, there are many reasons why people accept appointments by the prez, and why they may or may not resign if they find they are marginalized or they find they have no influence. Humans are complex, and since we can’t read Warren’s mind, boiling down whatever she does to the one issue of ‘integrity’ assumes facts not only not in evidence, but facts we will never know.
she is nobodys fool,of that im sure
Oh OK. Yeah, I suppose technically it’s still possible. I don’t believe it for a second, but you’re right, I forgot about the fact that he could nominate her for the job at a later date. Good point. But I just don’t think he will. If he wanted her for the job, he could’ve recessed appointed her or appointed her temp head or even walked down to the Senate and bang some heads together. Funny how that Senate can’t confirm someone but when it comes to extending Bush’s tax cuts, the Senate will become a model of efficiency.
Warren is awesome but she’s not a saint.
Kucinich, Grijalva, and lots of others got rolled by Obama on HCR.
I can completely imagine a scenario where she would agree to take a fairly symbolic role.
I might be incorrect. I often am. But, there is nothing false about my contention that the argument being advanced here is less than complimentary to Warren’s intelligence and/or integrity.
Certainly seems that way. And I certainly wish her well, going in skepticism notwithstanding.
Barney Franks is saying that she doesn’t want the job permanently.
Which seems odd to me. Why would she just want to be a temp at this position where, if the bureau isn’t neutered early on, she could really make a difference?
This entire discussion is really about the previous abuses handed out by the Obama administration.
i dont read it that way at all,we wanted a home run,we got a standup double,i want to see how she does on base,i think she scores…just my opinion
she has a great chance,and then there will be the tell all book,pass the popcorn
Meaningless, she will be a figurehead at best, anyone thinking we’ll see the CFPB taking on the banks because of this is in for a big disappointment.
David, if you’re still here, do you think that if she’s dissatisfied with her role as it evolves that she will remain a team player or will she go public? She seems to me to be a very savvy media player so I would hope for the latter.
If you think we got a standup double, then you and I are in sharp disagreement! I thought it was an infield single.
im witholding that call,cuse nobody knows
She doesn’t have to take the job permanently. No job in D.C. is permanent for that matter. If O isn’t reelected she’s out, no matter what, and that possibility is only 2 years away. IIRC, from the old days (although I’d guess the rules are much more flexible, depending on who you are and/or have changed) academic institutions automatically give faculty a 2 year leave, to return to former position, in order to serve the prez.
she is halfway -home in my estimation….dang give her a chance
Somehow Warren, like Dawn Johnson, does not strike me as the tell-all sort. But as I said earlier, we cannot read her mind, so we’ll see on that.
hah – unless she decks him first with her Estrogenic Power Truth Photon-Eye Beams!
this is a key posistion,lets give her a chance,she knows where all bones and mummys are burried
When an argument seems odd, it’s often because it is a lie.
Barney Frank is saying that Warren didn’t want to serve more than a couple years. It’s true the director term is five years (and a recess appointment would be two years), but there’s no penalty for leaving early. People do that all the time.
707!!! scared the kitty
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CommonDreams:
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by Mary Bottari
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That is the claim in a new report published this week by National People’s Action (NPA) the Chicago-based community organization. The report, called Preditors’ Creditors, names Wells Fargo, Bank of America, and JP Morgan Chase as some of the biggest lenders to the booming payday loan industry.
“The very same banks that helped tank the economy are now helping the bottom feeders of the industry,” says George Goehl, Executive Director of NPA. “The report shows that a $300 payday loan could end up costing you $750. If Al Capone was alive today, I bet you could get a better deal from him.“
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Wells Fargo, Bank of America, and JP Morgan Chase received $95 billion in Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) bailout funds in 2008 combined. These banks continue to be subsidized by the taxpayers, receiving near zero-percent interest funding via the Federal Reserve. While the big banks have been reluctant to invest in American factories and small businesses, they have decided to support the predatory payday loan industry which charges customers an average effective interest rate of 454 percent on small loans.
Cripes, now I have been circled!
Can you buy those on the internet?
dear ,you already posess these things
Next segment, Rachel’s gonna tell us all we never wanted to know about Palladino. Offered brain bleach before the break.
Not David, but may I answer the question. Standing up this “bureau” — staffing, writing regulations, etc. — and evaluating its effectiveness will take years. One as classy as Warren doesn’t resign in protest from a work in progress. They quietly and respectfully move on.
i started watching her again since Lani dickhead Davis started abusing her,me no likey
she might enjoy messing with their dwarf minds
I’ve certainly tried on several occasions when I was on Wall St. Can’t vouch for the effectiveness.*
*For example, I accused Goldman Sachs of gender discrimination; even appeared on NY Post’s Page Six.** Yet I notice in today’s NYT that women are still at the same stage I was at 20 years ago.
**IIR the headline accurately, it was something like “Whatever men can do, Myfirstname CAHN do better.”
The report shows that a $300 payday loan could end up costing you $750. If Al Capone was alive today, I bet you could get a better deal from him
i like that line
i saw that was gonna email you
gigantic egos= lots of mistakes imo
Larry Summers is particularly odious
yah,when Rachel isnt praising BHO admin,her shows are enjoyable
I understand the skepticism many are expressing. People have plenty of reason for it. I’m hopeful. It seems reasonable to suspect that the length of time the decision took was caused by real negotiations. Special assistant to the president is a big deal. It may be more powerful than the CFPB position. It also may be Prof. Warren’s price for not getting a nomination or recess appointment. Her access to the president is not through Geitner or Bernanke. That’s an excellent start.
This lady is smart. Unlike the other people Summers and Geitner have pushed aside, she has an important base in congress. Politically, they need her more than she needs them. She knows it. It appears that they know it. If any other person took the job and walked out in a policy dispute, “Too bad. It sucks to be you.” If Elizabeth Warren walks out, guess what, it sucks to be Geitner.
If Mrs. Warren gets a chance to provide to the President the alternate viewpoint of main street it will be really good for the country. Till now we saw President got to listen to only one viewpoint i.e. wall street and that advice he got might have been good to wall street in the short-term but in the long term it will never work for wall street nor main street.
If we had Glass-Steagall re-instated or Volcker rule strengthened with derivative oversight with no exceptions Main street would have felt better long term that this would have been the only serious recession they have to face in their lives and public spending not for bailouts but for common welfare. If President spends more time with people like Mr. Volcker who wishes no more corporate positions to scale, no wish to make more money and just wants to serve the country we will be better off with better laws with no lobbyist tweaks long term.
What usually happens is that today’s issues are overtaken by events. Let’s suppose down the line the issue is whether the new bureau can write its own regulations. Warren says yes; Bernanke says no. Obama sides with Bernanke.
This is all occurring as the Rs are trying to impeach Obama. Does she resign?
There is a lot more to Elizabeth Warren story.
1st The Elizabeth Warren debate is a lot like the Public Option
Obama and the other Trojan Horses in the democratic party can not afford to have any progressives issues hit the floor of the House and Senate, because this would blow their cover.
Yes! the white house fears the progressive base, I think they finally realize that unions are easy to control, organizations like FDL are a huge problem.
Obama and the other Trojan Horses in the Democratic party do not want certain groups to find out the identity of trojan horses. Remember Blanche Lincoln, she use to be a senator.
The biggest joke of the day is Rahm thinks he can become mayor of Chicago. Please Run Rahm! Please Run Rahm!!! laughing
I am certain that Robert Gibbs, David Axelrod, David Plouffe, know they have a lot problems, they are trying to escape the fact that Obama is a one termer!
All the nuts in the White House probably beg, and beg, and beg, Elizabeth Warren to this! because they internal polls show few to fewer ways for Obama to win in 2012.
Elizabeth Warren needs to use this post, to start her 2012 campaign to the white house.
tough question.Brooksley Born is a case study
Jon Cohn? Thee Jon Cohn from the HCR debacle? That Jon Cohn.
That guy spent 15 months being wrong about that whole charade and we’re supposed to take something- anything- that clueless hack has to say or write seriously?
Really, Dave.
Jon Cohn?
The biggest joke of the day is Rahm thinks he can become mayor of Chicago. Please Run Rahm! Please Run Rahm!!! laughing
combination Napolean and Narcissus……..g
I agree, she will be buried and only ‘consulted’ until the mid terms are over.
Then, negated and neutered in every way, while Rahm and Obama extoll her virtues and contributions, all the while ignoring her at every step.
I smell spin city all over this one, including the reports from the likes of herself and Barney Frank that say she didn’t WANT the long term job.
Imagine the pressure brought on her from inside the beast to kowtow to the smoke and mirrors being bandied about to arouse the base and placate the fucking retarded left wing.
LeSigh.
In the meantime, I’ll smile and grin at the change all around me, get down on my knees and pray, we don’t get fooled again. No no.
*G*
His tiny body doesn’t quite give him the stretch to gaze into the pool, so he’s all wet.
I agree that there’s plenty of backstory we know nothing about.
As for the midterms, you are absolutely right that O has to recourt the progressives. And the country as a whole. I have previously noted that he had disappeared into the bubble until just this past week, when he has reemerged into campaign mode. Think it’s too little too late, but the hopey changey thing can’t be underestimated.
As an analogy, I’d note that W managed to get reelected despite starting another full scale war, for a reason that turned out to be a complete lie.
I share your enthusiasm for Rahm running for mayor of Chicago, though I wouldn’t wish his success on Chicagoans.
hahahaha,good one
I can’t imagine her agreeing to a post just to please the President. She is too smart and has too many smart people around her to do something that won’t help her achieve her goals for the Bureay.
. . .and suppose an asteroid is heading for the east coast at the same time!
You’re getting very hypothetical. I don’t think anyone expects Prof. Warren to transform the Obama Administration. I can’t think of anyone else who can give it a stronger nudge. I’m going to be happy. It hasn’t happened much lately.
I’d say she’s who she is and has been leaned on heavily to play along with the smoke and mirrors, leaned on VERY heavily.
She’s a threat to the admin, the status quo, just by being there for us lefty proggie retards to worship, admire and hopey for.
So they have done a job on her, and she’s forced to play along.
Hence yesterday’s and today’s announcements released by her and Barney Frank she never WANTED the long term job. Oh really? NOW the MSM is saying this was her position all along, and she’s being quoted as such from months ago?
Bullshit. They canned her, hard. She’s in it, but only to placate us ‘tards.
I want her to be IN CHARGE, but she’s not. Ergo, they neutered her, effectively, it seems.
Thanks for keeping us up to date on it all David, but you don’t seem to consider the worst of the sitch, or even give any font space to it, even as conjecture . . .
me too
Did you buy the kool aid or what?
The Assistant title pegs her, stops her in her tracks, and leashes her completely.
By the end of the midterms in Nov. she will be back in Iowa working on some white paper for the academe.
And likely, not by her own choice.
Bull, I don’t know if you and David are reading the reports today.
She don’t want the long term job!
She is being quoted as saying so, and so has Barney Frank!
There IS no appointment coming, they have already neutered her.
C’mon boys, catch up!
Simple, clear and spot on oranj.
Thank you.
There’s a lot of kool aid drinking it seems at FDL/Seminal recently.
I’m a little concerned about it.
still too early to tell–but I share your glimmer of light on this. I also fail to see much strength in Ezra Klein’s argument that this kills her chance for appointment down the road. Her chances are rocky now, and will be rocky later, regardless. At least this way she gets some work in.
We shall see.
Sen.Chris Dodd (D-Conn.), who is retiring at the end of this term, downplayed on Thursday the role that Elizabeth Warren has been assigned to set up and run the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.
“What I gather is Elizabeth will be some sort of adviser in all this,” Dodd, the Senate Banking Committee chairman, told reporters in the Capitol. “They need to send us a director, though, a nominee. The issue’s no different today than it was yesterday. We need a nominee that can be confirmed by the Senate to run the place.”
An administration official told HuffPost that Warren will be named “assistant to the president and special adviser to the Treasury,” in charge of setting up the CFPB.
Simple to me OFG, I have NO idea why this POV David is espousing exists.
It’s Veal Pen Like.
*scratcheshishead*
?
Well, glad to see YOU back in the saddle and talking shit for what it is.
No pony’s with a pointed horn for any of us, not in this one.
*G*
Whatever Dodd says is BS.
I dunno. People are rightly questioning O’s sincerity in making this appointment. But it certainly doesn’t hurt to have someone of her caliber in the inner circle. If nothing else, if she does get sidelined/marginalized as expected, it will be one more clear reason to start a 3rd party movement. Even some of the half-a-loaf scolds would come over to our side. If by some miracle she is allowed to be effective in her new role, we all benefit.
People are of course jaded about Team Obama and their last-minute Optics Porn Patrol.
Elizabeth Warren is probably smart enough to know she is dealing with JUDAS, a Hoover wanna Be, a perpetual liar, a bush follower, an anti FDR republican name OBAMA.
Mrs. Warren was probably beg to take this position by Obama political team who knows, Elizabeth Warren Poll numbers are a lot, lot, higher than their guy Obama.
Robert Gibbs, and David Axelrod both know that Obama must lie again to get elected.
Coming Soon Hope A Dope 2012
Just like the GOP is crumbling before our eyes, yes the GOP is having a Civil War, and at the end of day Wall Street Republicans will be drinking a lot tea or eating a lot of crow.
The democrats Civil war is going start soon! and it is going to be funny as hell!
Dodd is Bull Feces….like father like son
Whoa. I agree with you that Warren’s probably already been neutered. There is no appointment coming.
Personally I believe that “special advisor / ATTP” was not Warren’s choice. It was something that was forced on her.
It’s certainly a slap in the face to progressives. My question is whether this position is worth anything at all.
There’s NOTHING in this thread that criticizes Mz. Warren in any way, shape or form.
She’s been muzzled, with no way out, tremendous pressure applied to her likely, behind the scenes.
Veiled threats, Paul Wellstone scenario’s described, and such. Happened to Kuch, and many more in the past few years. Rep. Grayson comes to mind. Maddow/Olbie . . . all muzzled.
ptb!
okay off to watch olivier play Hamlet……..too good to miss though ive seen it 10x nite all
Ha! I think she got hit by a pitch, and they HAD to put her on base.
But they’re still pissed about this “accident” that let her get on.
spoken like a heartbroken nutmegger.
Bingo!
It is fun to watch Rachel and Keith try to defend the current Bush in the WHite house named Obama
Rachel and Keith are not morons! they both know Obama is to right of Reagan
The Obama admin is becoming a huge sick Joke!
Chris Dodd, you fucking TOAD. If you or Obama wanted Warren as a nominee, you’d get her confirmed, or utilize a recess appointment.
Dodd is despicable.
On the outside, IF she chose to, she could rouse the masses and start a movement of sorts.
Of course, she’s already been told about Senator Wellstone, so that’s out.
On the inside, she’s alive, paid, and neutered. And will bow out when told to.
It’s not about her, it’s about the system that chokes and controls anyone and anything.
And it’s a mean and vicious system, and we have evidence of that, for decades and more don’t we.
Yer just BOUND to put a good light on this one.
Why do you ignore the reality of past as THE predictor of the present and future?
*G*
Thank you.
What does it TAKE to bring reality to these centrists?
*G*
No, she wouldn’t, that’s how principled and solid she is.
Ergo, she’s been pressured, hard.
End of story.
Yay!
*G*
Thanks.
The Centrism is killin me anymore.
;-)
Not if she’s been ‘pressured’. Hard. And I suspect she has, or we wouldn’t see stories of her and Barny Frank saying she never wanted the long term job in the first place, all of a sudden these past two days.
Think about it.
Where did this meme come from, and why, and when?
SHE never said it that was broadcast, recorded, or reported in the past year.
And now, all of a sudden, it’s her mantra?
Bullshit, they Wellstoned her.
OFG, we’ll know after the midterms, when she DOES resign or disappear of supposedly her own volition.
This is a game, a dance, and intended to fool proggys and base for the midterms, nothing else, no less, no more.
I’m really surprised so many Pups can see it for anything else.
The Centrists Dogs are out in force it seems.
They were NOT rolled, they were pressured, hard, and likely personally, family wise, also.
My dear friend Tanbark! (he says in his best Molinari voice)
Spot on hoss. As I keep saying, she’s been Wellstoned.
*G*
Howza back there? Shoot me an email, update me!
Tell me some pickin stories, it’s been a bare season for this hoss, not one fest.
LeSigh.
Larue:
Pure bilge. Disgraceful.
She was hit by pitch and FORCED to the first bag.
End of story. She and the inning and the game died there.
Key rhighst, you don’t follow history as a precursor to the present or future?
Killin me . . . sigh.
Most likely they were threatened that Sarah Palin will become President if they don’t do exactly what Obama says.
Never in my life since Kennedy was shot (although I didn’t realize what it was till some 7 years later, hell, I was 11) and McGovern lost, have I dared to wish, hope, dream of such a thing.
And I mean, I’m certifiably jaded and pissed off. And yet there’s this little thang in my soul that says sometimes things DO get better.
N then, I realize she’s been taken aside, Wellstoned, like Kuch, Grayson, and all the others and now she’s just trying to get out alive and move on.
LeSigh.
Pressure, the likes that’s never reported or discussed in public.
Ezra drinks from the milk of The Veal Pen.
He’s long ago been of no value to reality or any truths.
Isn’t this just the same sort of deal as with Volker? If Obama has already decided what he wants to do, putting her in this position (vs. giving her the power to actually engage in rulemaking directly) could just as easily sideline her as empower her.
Alas, I think the dem war is full on, already.
Lots of splits in the ranks, and too many centrists and Veal Penners leading the charge.
I will NOT go quietly.
What, did Rahm call you or something?
Please.
*G*
Hang tough hoss, or we all hang separately.
;-)
Wow, you said first!
Wow!
Sharp minds alike and all that ya know . .
*G*
Why, THANK you!
Glad you don’t read or follow history . .
That way we can’t talk about it.
*G*
You missed the snark tag ending on that one hoss.
Only the sheeple fall for that one.
Vote Dem! They’re worser than us! Also!
Obama is sweeping Warren under the rug. Geithner & Summers still rule, and Obama-Rahm do whatever they say. We are STILL totally screwed.
If Elizabeth Warren leaves in disgust, I’ll change my registration to Progressive.
I think she can manage those jerky boys, and is smart enough to see a pig in a poke. I’m willing to follow her lead.
I agree,
Larue, the situation was always to big for Obama to deal with.
today for example Ford says they are going to send more jobs to China.
Fed Ex double their Profits, and plans to cut 1700 jobs
The current definition of an american corporation is a company with its head quarters located in New York, and their factories located in China.
FDR understood this simple truth! Govt has to save corporations from themselves, because if you leave it up to them, you will not have a NATION!!!
The CIA, FBI, and other military organizations know the USA is heading toward major social un-rest!!! (people like Elizabeth Warren are easy to deal with, it is the people who don’t plan on talking about the problem the FBI, CIA, now fear.)
Some intelligent republicans know FDR saved the USA.
The USA is putting to many educated people in the street, this creates huge problems! There are a lot of idiots that want to do something, but they use to lack the brain power to execute their plans. In todays america that is no longer a barrier, U have a lot of brain power sitting on the streets of america that could be used for a lot of evil.
See in most third world nations, the streets are full of un-educated people, who can easily be mis-led, trick, etc. this is not the case in the USA. Yes there are some very wicked people in the USA, they know how to topple banks, retail stores, auto dealers, etc. by the way they are not Tea Party followers.
For example, the people at Ford know the taliban, bin laden, had nothing to do with them being homeless and their kids hungry, it was their greedy bosses.
Corporations can easily be attacked, because a corporation has one mission, to make money! corporation only exist to make money!
Target donation to candidate in Minnesota ended up costing Target a lot of MONEY!!! People ignored this situation, but a lot of corporations did not.
The stupid CEO at target did not understand the current political climate at all, if a major group of a million or more people decided to boycott target during this depression, target would have went under! quickly!
Just imagine what would have happen! Wall Street would have got a very rude awakening to the new battle field of business.
Again I repeat FDR knew that sometimes a USA president has to save the USA from itself all GREED is not GOOD!
the moment was always to big for OBAMA!!!
Larue it is funny to me how the rest of the world is waiting for the USA to explode with social un-rest, because they know Obama, Rahm, the GOP, the Tea Party, etc. have no idea on how to get the USA out of this current depression and they know our GUNS laws are insane!
Samantha Power was invited to and attended Clinton’s swearing-in ceremony on February 2. Hillary was in her camp when she asked for and received the NSC job. Hillary said Obama was not that much into going against the power of corporations to produce policy that created jobs – ans Samantha said she was a monster that would lie to win an election.
Hard to see how Samantha was “right” – especially after she said she was wrong about Hillary being willing to lie to win an election – the basis for calling Hillary a “monster”.
But the point – that advocates can get stuck in jobs that blunt their ability to advocate – seems on point. I hope Obama is not doing this. But I suspect he is.
The inflation-adjusted income of the median household—smack in the middle of the populace—fell 4.8% between 2000 and 2009,
Not sure that is enough to get folks to clean their guns. It might be enough to get some on the left – like myself – that are planning to not vote Democratic in many races for the first time in our life so as to stop the shitting on the left by Obama – to reconsider that idea and postpone its execution to 2012.
DD,
Thanks for your diary, and for your comment @4. If this appointment is really done (has it actually been formally announced yet?), I agree that it will be a big deal.
For one thing, it is really important that Warren will actually be able to organize and staff the CFPB. She can put her stamp on it from the get go, and with a new and significant Federal Agency, that is BIG. Of course, I understand that Geithner has not been idle, and has preconfigured some things (what exactly?). And she will apparently report to Geithner on some things (what exactly?). But her presence among Obama’s dozen closest advisers, if true, is also really big. She is smart enough to confront any BS from Summers and Geithner, and I agree with your point about her Middle Class origins. I was impressed by how she talked about that at Netroots Nation– it sounded like her grandparents had a lot in common with mine.
So, like you, I’m hopeful about this. We’ll see!
Bob in AZ
Pfft! C’mon Kwires, it’s obvious the job is going to Harold Ford. Think man think!
Oldgold: You are so right. About being wrong. Do you get that this is not about EW’s intelligence or integrity yet? Perhaps about her judgment…we don’t get to know what lies she was told. I’m not sure EW is capable of embracing a full understanding of the extent and malevolence of the cancer. She’s just too nice a person. Which is a major part of her strength and her broad appeal.
Larue: I agree about everything except Iowa after the midterms. They’ll keep her inside to control her voice. It was an intentional walk. They don’t want her swinging at any of their fastballs. Eventually they’ll run her down between first and second. After they confirm someone Dodd and Geithner like.
Frank’s and Dodd’s roles in this kabuki make my skin crawl. Ya gotta love the “she didn’t want it anyway…” line. Like seeing Geithner on the News Hour talking about how the bailouts were not about Wall Street, they were about Main Street. Slime. Need shower.
Does any sentient being really believe Warren will be nominated after the midterms? Watching this play out may help Dawn Johnsen realize how fortunate she was.
Can’t wait to see the DUMS crumple on tax cuts. They’ve already let the REPUBS frame the debate. Steny was right, he just made the mistake of saying it out loud.
We’re toast.
She’ll probably end up as a watchdog like her previous position with effectively no real power. Given the fact that she has no background in economics, I don’t see the Obama team giving her any credibility on economic issues. Seems like a wash to me.
I lost all respect for Samantha Power as a person with principles when she married Cass Sunstein.
Seems that first I note that Ms. Power mis-spoke but was forgiven by Hillary, and now I note that her choice of husbands – Cass Sunstein – really pisses off the Clinton haters – because his opposing the impeachment of Bill Clinton in 1998 was a not true to their creed.
Guess that makes me a fan of Ms. Power.