You know that the White House is serious about letting those high-end tax cuts expire when they’ve got Larry Summers out there talking about it.
Maintaining tax cuts for top wage-earners should take a back seat to other more pressing measures, White House economic advisor Larry Summers said, in a signal the administration could be digging in its heels on the issue [...]
“With deficits looming as seriously as they are, why is now the right moment to lock in several hundred billion dollars of tax cuts for 2 percent of the population when we could be using those revenues to strengthen incentives for investment in the country’s future?” Summers said.
“I think the case is pretty clear, if you look at what the vast majority of economists are saying, (that) what will stimulate economy more are measures that are targeted at investments, it’s measures that are targeted at research and development,” he continued. “So I think those are the right steps forward.”
The problem is that this is not at all what the White House has proposed. All of their ideas for economic growth which they put out last week – the permanent extension of the R&D tax credit, the business tax credit for capital investment, and the front-loaded infrastructure investment – are paid for in other ways. Nobody is suggesting that the $700 billion in savings from letting the tax cuts for the wealthy expire get paid for in any way whatsoever other than paying down the deficit.
Maybe that’s as it should be; at least that’s the view of the deficit hawks. But Nouriel Roubini has another idea. What if we plowed that money from the tax cuts for the rich into a payroll tax cut for everyone, a “people’s tax cut,” if you will? I wouldn’t expect that to continue for more than a year or so, but it would certainly stimulate demand, and in the long-term, the increase in the top bracket’s marginal tax rates would reduce the structural deficit (though more work needs to be done there).
A much better option is for the administration to reduce the payroll tax for two years. The reduced labor costs would lead employers to hire more; for employees, the increased take-home pay would boost much-needed economic consumption and advance the still-crucial process of deleveraging households (paying down credit card debt and other legacies of the easy-credit years).
Most policy approaches, including the Obama proposals, have tended to subsidize the demand for capital rather than the demand for labor. That has the problem backward. In the second quarter, capital spending reached an annual growth rate of 25 percent. The argument that increased demand for capital leads to greater demand for labor (i.e., if you buy more machines you need workers to run them) has not held up. Firms are investing in capital goods, equipment and offshore offices that allow them to produce the same amount of goods with less — and lower labor costs. To avoid a chronic increase in the unemployment rate, we need to subsidize the demand for labor — achieving job creation — rather than making it cheaper to buy capital, as investment and other tax credits would do.
President Obama could fully fund the reduction in payroll tax by allowing the Bush tax cuts for people making more than $250,000 a year to expire. Meanwhile, the Bush-era cuts affecting middle- and low-income earners — the vast majority of Americans — would remain in place for the time being.
That makes operational the rhetoric that Summers and others in the Administration have used, that the money on tax cuts for millionaires could be better spent. Roubini’s figured out a way to spend it. I don’t think it’s the perfect idea; I worry about the effect of cutting the payroll tax at this time when Social Security, funded by that tax, is under attack. But that only requires an administrative fix on the funding. I also think that direct job creation would be a better solution, but that’s probably less likely given the current Congress.
Roubini makes a pretty solid case.



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Interesting four-part interview of Bill Clinton. Focuses on economy.
LINK.
Any money earned from increased tax revenues should be used to decrease the deficit. Anything to diminish the need to demolish Social Security and Medicare.
God forbid they should listen to us DFHs and just create the jobs we need directly through some kind of refurbished CETA or WPA programs. This stupid, smarter than themselves, elitist economists’ brawl is an utter waste of time.
By the time these geniuses get it together we will all have starved to death or died from lack of health care. I will bet we will see the deaths of many through pneumonia from the cold and from nutritional diseases which are completely preventable.
Just because so and so economist has the right opinion or good ideas, does not feed one person, house one family, heat one home, educate one student, provide one job for an unemployed bread winner. These fine, superfine ideas and arguments are worthless and wasting our precious time.
I’ve been wondering if the term “tax cuts for the wealthy” doesn’t resonate well enough with people (although it seems most people polled are already against continuing them). “Tax cuts for millionaires” is a little better, but the fact is that even the so-called “middle class tax cuts” also include tax cuts for millionaires, up to the first 250k they earn. No, what Bush gave them, and what the Tea Party, our dearly beloved “ragtag band of outsiders” (h/t Bobo), are fighting for so nobly is “Special Extra Tax Cuts for the Wealthy”. Would that get the point across better? Any other suggestions?
Hot a gutn yontev!
This whole thing is now all on Harry Reid’
shoulders, err…knees.I defer to Mr. Roubini’s knowledge and expertise, but I would sure as hell like to be able to walk into a store and buy SOMETHING made in America.
I’ve been wearing Goodwill fashions for so long I’ve forgotten what “new” smells or feels like.
I’d trade 2 years of payroll tax cuts to get those 2 years knocked back off my raised SS retirement age.
How about a “Manhattan Project” to put people back to work?
[edit] Not meaning the development of a new weapon. Referring to an initiative of the same magnitude.
We could use some stimulus money to fund start-up employee owned companies to make shoes and clothing. We used to be one of the world’s largest cotton growing countries, now it’s India and China. Nothing wrong with making clothes and shoes from hemp.
Why the Obama tax cuts can not be structured as phased out with income over $250,000 tax credits is beyond me – why should a billionaire benefit from the 10% bracket when it is un-necessary, If a 15% bracket with tax credits does not sell well, then a 10% bracket with a surcharge that phases in beginning at $250,000 can be used. The math and legal work are not difficult
Here’s a concept: putting money into the hands of people who will buy stuff. Radical, I know, but what the hell, worth a try, don’t you think. Sophistication is another word for muddled.
The job of the rich is to spend their money and stimulate the economy.
If they aren’t spending it, then more of it should be taken for the commons.
I am spending my middle-class tax cut on solar upgrades and a battery-driven car.
But there’s no connection between the two. They could put all that money toward the deficit and the deficit hawks would still make the same push for gutting ss they do now. They are completely disingenuous-note how the hawks never, ever suggest reducing war spending or removing the income exemption above certain levels.
THE BIG LIE is that they have no money:
“But the Federal Reserve has little ammunition left to boost growth or fend off a slump. And the federal deficit has reached such levels that additional spending of the kind that helped kindle the mini-recovery of early 2010 looks unwise”
How do they think that they will pay for the missing revenue in payroll tax cuts? Keep these people away from tire, engine, and car designing.
I would be first in line with my checkbook ready.
I hear that!
We could open a mental health clinic, complete with full staff and create a psychiatric ward in 24 hours flat with all of the unemployed social workers and psychologists who were downsized during the ‘free enterprise’ mangled care years.
One of the best I’ve seen came from one of the FDL posters:
“Subsidy for the super rich” or something close to that.
The alliteration on the letter S, combined with the easily slurred together “superrich” make it memorable, easy to understand, and easy to repeat.
Exactly right. Even better would be to take the entire $250 billion tax hike and recyle it into payroll tax cuts or tax credits.
Obama’s Making Work Pay tax credit (which I believe expires this year) cost $40 billion a year and gives $400 to every worker earning under $75,000 ($800 to every couple earning under $150,000). Let’s see if you made the MWP 6 times bigger, its a $2400 tax credit per worker. What’s more, we could make it the default destination for any tax increase or budget cuts. Cut Pentagon spending by $100 billion, Great, lets increase the MWP credit by a $1000; an extra $50 billion from estate taxes, why that’s an extra $500 a year to every worker.
Cheney was right, deficits don’t matter. We’re not on the gold standard, we can create as much money as we need (and 10% unemployment means we need to be creating a LOT more money). The tax code simply regulates behavior, income distribution and inflation. Right now, of course, inflation is overcontrolled, we’re at the brink of deflation. When we’re at 4% unemployment we can debate the best way to drain excess reserves from the banking system. It wouldn’t have to be by raising income tax rates. Instead, we could impose mandatory retirement savings accounts or a financial transaction tax. But that question is millions of new jobs in the future.
Here’s a crazy idea. Instead of tax cuts for ANYBODY, let’s keep the taxes, hell raise them. And actually adequately fund our damn government with that money.
Since when is getting paid between $72 and $120 per hour middle class? The government gives me back the money I paid into Social Security for 50 years at a $5.34 per hour rate. And people want to take that away from me so that I can take some imaginary money and put it into the stock market lottery. They are fucking crazy.
We import 300,000 tons of hemp per year from Canada. Hell, with 2 and a half acres you can build a house and depending on where you live you can grow another crop an build a second house. Then there is the seeds from your crop. 20,000 lbs. of seeds, first pressed for their oil, making 825 gallons of biodesiel. The rest of the seeds can be used for high quality, high protein feed. How can we be so stupid?
We won’t see another WPA or CCC because those are government-based (i.e. Democratic) solutions that have the potential to actually produce positive results, and more importantly they might tend to promote solidarity, involvement and collective or community awareness.
Only market-based solutions (i.e. wealth transfer to the investment class) are considered by the best and brightest minds of this generation.
Because federal taxes don’t fund anything, they simply drain reserves from the banking systems. As New York Federal Reserve Bank Chairman Beardsley Ruml pointed out in a 1946 article, “Taxes For Revenue Are Obsolete“:
The necessity for a government to tax in order to maintain both its independence and its solvency is true for state and local governments, but it is not true for a national government… The United States is a national state which has a central banking system, the Federal Reserve System, and whose currency, for domestic purposes, is not convertible into any commodity. It follows that our Federal Government has final freedom from the money market in meeting its financial requirements… The public purpose which is served should never be obscured in a tax program under the mask of raising revenue.
What Taxes Are Really For… Federal taxes can be made to serve four principal purposes of a social and economic character…
1. As an instrument of fiscal policy to help stabilize the purchasing power of the dollar;
2. To express public policy in the distribution of wealth and of income, as in the case of the progressive income and estate taxes;
3. To express public policy in subsidizing or in penalizing various industries and economic groups;
4. To isolate and assess directly the costs of certain national benefits, such as highways and social security
What Taxes Are Really For… Federal taxes can be made to serve four principal purposes of a social and economic character…
1. As an instrument of fiscal policy to help stabilize the purchasing power of the dollar;
2. To express public policy in the distribution of wealth and of income, as in the case of the progressive income and estate taxes;
3. To express public policy in subsidizing or in penalizing various industries and economic groups;
4. To isolate and assess directly the costs of certain national benefits, such as highways and social security
All very true, let’s grade our performance:
1. Not good, very bad marks for Fed: http://oregonstate.edu/cla/polisci/sites/default/files/faculty-research/sahr/inflation-conversion/pdf/price-levels-1665-2005-1.pdf
2. Not good, unless we like having Great Depressions: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/14/income-inequality-is-at-a_n_259516.html
3. Not good, unless we want to export our industrial base: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balance_of_trade#United_States_trade_deficit
4. Bad, unless a crumbling infrastucture is good: http://www.infrastructurereportcard.org/
But, by re-orienting our priorities to rewarding the uber wealthy in a new era of neo-feudal crony-capitalism, we have have created a system which is reaching back to those great societal achievements recorded during the Dark Ages.
Lucky us!
You must be the same DFH I see at MJ. Did it ever occur to you that if creating jobs were that easy it would have been done already? LA tried mightily, and created all of 55 jobs after receiving $111 million. Real life isn’t the same as your fantasy life.