I did not see the CNBC town hall on the economy that President Obama held today, and I initially envisioned this to be another one of these Presidential meetings with Wall Street types where he begs them to “do the right thing” and support something not in the interests of their bottom lines. It was held in New York (UPDATE: it was at the Newseum in DC. Full transcript here.) but I guess the audience was generally sympathetic to the President, at least at one point, and they expressed their disappointment not with raising taxes on the rich, but with the totality of his Presidency:
An African-American woman who described herself as a chief financial officer, a mother and a military veteran said she was disappointed that Mr. Obama had not lived up to her once-lofty expectations.
“I’m exhausted of defending you, defending your administration. … I’m deeply disappointed where we are right now,” she said, adding that when she voted for Mr. Obama, she thought he would change Washington. “I’m waiting, sir. I’m waiting. I don’t feel it yet. … Is this my new reality?”
Moments later, a young man offered a similar theme. He noted that the president had ignited a wave of inspiration for young people and students.
“That inspiration is dying away,” he said. “It feels like the American dream is not attainable for a lot of us. … Is the American dream dead for me?”
These comments strike at the heart of the dumbfounding strategy to browbeat the liberal base into accepting that the Presidency has been a towering triumph of liberalism. I had the occasion of speaking with Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-AZ), the co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, over the weekend. When asked about how he approaches voters, he finds the best policy is to be very straightforward. He said that he starts with “You’re right,” that things aren’t good right now, and that everyone has a right to be disappointed. He described the conversations his phone bankers are having with voters as something akin to therapy sessions, where voters spend a lot of time venting their frustrations. There’s only one way you can approach people in a mood like this – with some measure of validation. You have to accept their premise because any attempt to talk them out of their objective reality will be met with skepticism.
When some rich hedge-fund manager weeps about feeling “whacked like a pinata,” now, maybe that’s not the guy you have to validate, and I think Obama was absolutely right to whack right back:
“Now, you know, I have been amused over the last couple years, this sense of somehow me beating up on Wall Street. I think most folks on Main Street feel like they got beat up on. … There’s — there’s a big chunk of the country that thinks that I have been too soft on Wall Street. That’s probably the majority, not the minority.”
Obama went on to note that the top 25 hedge fund managers took home $1 billion in profits last year. “If you’re making $1 billion a year after a very bad financial crisis where 8 million people lost their jobs and small businesses can’t get loans,” Obama said, “then I think that you shouldn’t be feeling put upon.”
That’s just the truth, and so is the President’s dismantling of the Two Santa Claus theory, this idea that you can provide endless tax cuts and endless services. The rest of the country, the folks being “beat up on,” in the President’s terms, need that same kind of candor. People should not be laughed off for actually believing in the change that produced historic support in 2008.





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Disappointment with the administration may well provide the next wave which could result in some truly progressive policies. Inspirational as the 2008 message of ‘change’ was, it was always doubtful that years of ‘bunsiness as usual’ could be reversed within a 4 year span.
But, if an African-American woman can express disenchantment with an African-American President, it is similarly reassuring that we are able to transcend the pigeonholes that have defined us for generations.
There is no evil from which some good does not spring. The single-minded focus of business upon making money has put us all in the same boat. A 21st century definition of ‘hanging separately’ is starving alone. That realization covers a lot of different demographics.
The bizarre nature of some of the recent political discourse is the last gasp of a WASP majority that wants things the way they were and is unwilling to accept that they will never be that way again. Soon they will realize that, to business, they are customers.
We’re all in it together. Whether we admit it or not won’t stop the inevitable change that is coming.
‘When you can’t breathe nothing else matters’.
David I caught a part of the Town Hall at lunch today. One of the questions was from a guy that got out of law school recently with a bunch of debt. His question was long but he wanted concrete examples the president was going to take in the future. The President of course only gave examples of what had already been enacted. Of course none of his examples were going to help that guy.
I even heard the President say he proposed freezing discretionary spending for 3 years. Of course he didn’t mention cutting the military. He could of been quoting Ronald Reagan for all I know. I honestly don’t think I could tell the difference.
That’s the problem, David. You keep talking to the enemy. You keep talking to people who have already lied to you repeatedly. Why in the world would you continue to believe anything they say? Is it just that you’re so ingrained with the corporatist Dems that you can’t break away, like an addict or a co-dependent?
Well at least Obama is not prescreening his audience for loyalty…yet.
I watched Obama’s response to the frat-boy hedgie, and he needed to whack back a lot harder. Those people are HATED for what they’ve done to America — he would be wise to channel that HATE.
Try getting by on minimum wage jerk!
It’s one thing when Saint Ronald of Raygun adopts the Laffer Curve and tells us all it’s raining when the oligarchs are peeing on our backs. It’s another thing entirely when the mixed-race son of a middle class family tells us that we have to take one for the oligarchs. And that other thing entirely is very disheartening.
If the Republicans take the House and initiate impeachment proceedings, I will feel sorry for President Obama. We’ll also know he could have avoided his fate.
Victor,
Don’t tar them all with the same brush. Look at Grijalva’s voting record, look at his floor amendments, look at his work in committee. Especially look at his work in committee: that is where the heavy lifting gets done.
Grijalva’s a good guy. If we had a majority of Congresscritters who viewed the world like Raul does, we’d be better off for it.
He feels like he’s been whacked like a pinata. He hasn’t been whacked like a pinata, but I’ll volunteer to take the first serious [Edited by Moderator. Not even as snark] at him. All I ask is that I not have to wear a blindfold.
My bold Probably? he bends over backwards to save their ponzai scheme imaginary assets and screw us on jobs, healthcare and people losing their homes,never mind Gays in the military and and ending the wars and torture.
Just what has he accomplished? Just how can we defend him?
I voted for Obama as the lesser of two evils, and I certainly will not vote for him again – ever.
He doesn’t know what he’s doing. There is a tremendous amount of suffering out there, and he’s clueless. Whatever he calls “accomplishments” is meaningless to the millions of unemployed and underemployed and insured Americans.
I doubt Obama is losing an ounce of sleep over any of this. Just like GWB.
Here’s a saddest/funniest line that obama told the audience in response to their feelings of betrayal in regards to him: he told them to remain hopeful!
While I’ll give him some credit for not only allowing brain dead loyalists in … ala the odious bush administration, basically what he is telling them is to get back on the hope dope … the drug that perpetually tells you that things are better than they seem, becoz they will be better in the future … infinitum. Basically, use your imagination.
The reason that they are going after the “unreasonable” liberals is to discredit them and to try to prevent them from getting the ear of the people that still back these sorry sellouts.
Z
Obama is just another politician who managed to “get his”. WTF does he care about the rest of us? He’ll never want. His kids will never taste poverty.
Sadly, yes. It’s dead for all of us. Unless your father or uncle are currently living the dream.
I call next in line:)
Yeah? Till when? I’m guessing about the second week in November of 2012. After that you can be as hopeless as you want to be.
They might be tasting Gulf Shrimp and if he was honest about that well if he is not a Psychopath that alone should break his heart about being such a Weak man.
Still this is good the Majority of Americans have finally gotten some air time lets see if the Press starts covering this instead of the Tea Baggers and their imaginary hordes.
Exactly. He’s got himself a good deal. All kinds of firsts in the almanacs and history books – plus a Nobel Prize (for what).
He’s a fraud in my book. I never was a fan, but I know many disappointed people who actually donated their time and money to his movement.
It doesn’t matter what he or his admin. does now, the die is as they say is cast. If I were him I’d lawyer up, because Daryl Issa and the Oligarchs of the Confederacy are going to want to see his b-cert and his passport before they try to Impeach him. Obama will spend the next two yrs. fighting for his life while Rahm and Axelrod and the rest of his crew get their resumes in order.
Can’t Make It Here, James McMurtry
Okay, Moderator. I’m sorry. I did mean it symbolically — a pinata is an effigy, after all. Nice to know y’all are listening.
Well I don’t feel betrayed. I donated my time and money to DEFEAT McCain and though I’m still convinced that was the right thing to do, even “bittersweet” doesn’t seem to suit the enormity of Obama’s failure.
Resign, dude. I say this with love.
Conned by the Dems
This president has deeply disappointed his supporters and taken the Dem party has taken the road with him.
Why so many libs and progressives and the Dem party were so wrong about him must be analyzed. They have also disappointed people by blindly supporting a candidate without examining him. Because he is black.
harvard educated (that should be a red flag). He bought into the corporate capitalism model totally.
With Bush, you knew what he stood for, opposite of now.
Instead of the transformative presidency borne out of desperate times as FDR’s was, this presidency has entrenched the very ideas and people who brought about these terrible times whose terrible legacy may last for as long as FDR’s.
Barack Obama got the Nobel Peace Prize for not being George Walker Bush. That’s a pretty low standard, even lower than Th. Roosevelt’s Peace Prize for negotiating a treaty in the Russo-Japanese debacle.
Yep. McSFB would have nuked Iran by now and turned the rest of the Middle East, with the exception of Almighty Israel, into more of a wasteland than we’ve already made it.
Weak Tea.
Obama offered the lady credit card reform (they have to
notify you if they raise your interest rate!). She has no credit cards. Obama offered the lady a mortgage (she doesn’t need a new mortgage). Obama told the lady that she could borrow more money to send her kids to college.
If she lived in France, her kids would go to college for free.
The US must the worst first world country in the world. Its gubmint has been totally usurped by Multinational Corporations and the MIC.
Obama was just a lucky candidate – right time, right place, right shiny object. Just like the idiot that preceded him.
Yep. “Lesser of two evils” is another phrase that just doesn’t suffice.
I get really, really scared when I agree with Jim DeMint (R-KKK) about anything. But I’m really tired of voting for least-bad candidates. I hoped Obama had the makings of a decent President, and so was a plausible candidate. McCain, of course… would be W Bush’s third term, new and improved with more militarism.
Given the choices, I don’t regret my vote. McSame was just unthinkable. But color me disappointed, and I didn’t have very high expectations to begin with.
Not to mention Sarah the president-in-waiting, and her bouncer Todd.
I completely agree with the original post. Obama has done that very difficult ‘thread the needle’ operation of taking actions that please almost no one.
Unlike Clinton who managed to take actions that pleases alot and disppointed a few, Obama has managed to come down in no man’s land–pleasing no one on either side or the middle.
OT: Just heard coverage that O’Do is being investigated for misuse of campaign funds from previous outing…..pretty interesting…some used for “rent” per the coverage.
But, but…Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-AZ), the co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, is on our side. Don’t you remember how he held the Fort on National Healthcare last year?
Whoops. Bad example.
This smells of a staged show, but even if it is, I’m impressed. The middle class is dying and Wall St is bitching about cuts in it’s income after a MASSIVE bailout.
The WH needs to be bombarded with this message in this show from now until November 2012 if they want a chance of getting re-elected.
As for 2010, it’s baked already. The Dems are paying a high price for a President that promised change and kept screwing us just like the last guy.
The misuse of campaign funds is old news: that went out in the Robocall from her former campaign manager on Election Day.
The investigation, on the other hand … (dub Artie Johnson’s voice here) Veeeery interestink.
We did examine him he said he would end both wars McCain wouldn’t, National Healthcare no mention of a public Option, would you like a list of all the promises Obama has broken?
Unlike McCain who used funny numbers to pay for his ideas Obama’s plans would have worked. To bad he lacked the Stones to stand up for them.
To bad he found it easier to lie to us.
Face it we thought he would never betray his own people most of all.
You say he’s black and we did not check him out because of that. Your side hates him because he’s Black even though Obama is acting like he was George Bush and just won a third term.
We object to Obama because he betrayed our ideas. Your side never said a peep about Bush.
Lets now examine the White is Right mentality of your voters shall we?
I know Crazy Train McCain sang BombIran, but I don’t don’t know that McCain would have bombed Iran by now. McCain would have been ruled by the same MOTU as Obama.
Is Obama any less or more beholden to Big Oil than a Rethug like McCain? See BP Gulf. Any less or more beholden to AIPAC. Same. Any less beholden to Pharma? Nope.
What no mention she hangs with Satanists in her misspent youth? I don’t think Pagans do blood rituals.
Wouldn’t Satanists do a blood Ritual with a virgin on a bloody altar a bit different than having a picnic somehow I doubt she’s still a virgin.
He had his chance and blew it for a handful of pixie dust.
Although Obama has gotten off message a bit lately here’s a relevant excerpt from a Chris Hedges article.
Barack Obama is a brand. And the Obama brand is designed to make us feel good about our government while corporate overlords loot the Treasury, our elected officials continue to have their palms greased by armies of corporate lobbyists, our corporate media diverts us with gossip and trivia and our imperial wars expand in the Middle East. Brand Obama is about being happy consumers … It inoculates us from seeing that the old engines of corporate power and the vast military-industrial complex continue to plunder the country. Corporations, which control our politics, no longer produce products that are essentially different, but brands that are different.
Obama has no balls. I don’t know what the deal is, but he seems to have a pathological need for approval from his enemy. It’s almost masochistic. Bad thing is he’s not just hurting himself, he’s hurting every working class American.
Hopeful about what? More stimulus? There won’t be any. More financial regulation of TBTF? There won’t be any. A public option? There won’t be any? Social Security? There will be less.
This clown is ALL OUT OF hope. The only hope he has left is hoping the Rs don’t impeach his fucking ass.
I don’t believe there are any “lucky candidates.” Obama was vetted by the oligarchy or he wouldn’t have been the candidate. And all of us “voters” got to feel like our guy won and to be all proud of ourselves for electing a black President. That wore off pretty quick, didn’t it.
Yup. Obama told that lady that everyone is hurting. That is a bold faced lie. The top one percent are richer than ever and they still own 80 percent or more of the wealth. Thanks to Obama, AHIP is also fatter and more sassy. Same for PHRMA. And the Military Contractors. Not hurting a bit. Eric Prince is richer than ever.
Obama is a liar.
Or has Satan gone all Warm and Fuzzy now her story makes no sense next she will be telling us Satanists don’t dance nakid and listen to Industrial Music nope they square dance to country music.
IIrc….investigation started by the Ethics group from DC; all pretty detailed in the piece.
Re: Satanist….heard Hannity pooh-pooh all that, assuming I recall that as well. Talked about as some teenage thing….I don’t recall that part of my teen stuff (we were playing Bridge;)
The brand is now as good as Gulf Shrimp.
Ding! We have a winner.
That wasTell you what,
Except that “the idiot that preceded him” stole it ….twice.
My biggest beef with Obama is that he didn’t put ANY terms on the TARP except repayment when he could have ( or maybe he couldn’t have, that’s even scarier) and then Bernanke printed out the rest of our economy thru AIG to the whole world.
My second biggest beef is that he’s a Republican.
The poster who said Rahm and Axelrod are jumping ship to leave Obama hanging is spot on too.
Just how many disappointed Obama supporters are there who worked with him in Chicago or on his political campaigns who have dirt on him?
The GOP wants to impeach Obama its Obama’s betrayed friends who can serve him up on a platter.
All teens rebel but midnights picnics on bloody Altars? Nope girls and guys are squeamish about that she was drunk and or high to go to that picnic and no she did not leave that altar a virgin or else her generation of kid Satanists are well...weak.
Completely OT, but now I will have to say this in every thread: Do not miss the Pat Tillman film. It is so well done. As if we need anymore reason to be cynical about the Gov….it’s a knockout….just makes one sick. And the family is remarkable.
We’ve heard so much about his mother, but the dad is also remarkable + wife and brothers…and some of the military guys who know the story. A remarkable, horrifying story. I hope Rumsfield never sleeps a night. And W, of course.
If this clown allows SS to be reduced in any way — and not doubled with the retirement age lowered, as Teddy has called for repeatedly — I’m ALL IN for impeachment.
This clown has to be told in NO UNCERTAIN terms — along with any of his ass kissers in the House and Senate — HANDS OFF entitlements. End the wars first. Restore the economy first.
I think Obama is the right’s biggest fundraising tool and I’d be very surprised if they did anything (including impeachment) to jeopardize that, at least not before 2012. And he’s also their biggest enabler. Win-win. The stupids will hate on him no matter what, and the Repubs get to take advantage of it every which way.
With you 100%
He’s an authority on Satan since when? I am an authority on teenagers having been one no girl picnics on bloody altars at midnight with a guy unless they are drunk or high. And no she does not leave a Virgin sorry teenage guys are like that, tell me another story Sean.
I hope these confrontations get lots of coverage. They fly in the face of not only the “get it in gear” narrative, but also the ridiculous media narrative of the upcoming election being a response to “Obama’s liberal overreach”.
On the subject of piñatas, would it not a be better approach to take all the ill-gotten wealth, turn it into cash, stuff that into piñatas, and distribute them liberally?
At least we could take a whack at it.
Where is it playing is it on the net will Lisa have it?
Talk about water off a duck’s back.
Obama is constantly talking … to himself.
Agreed 100%
*heh* Ya gotta get up mighty early in the morn, BCT, to slip one by the mods…! ;-)
I do agree that one should not paint Grijalva and the CPC with that broad a brush, my Critter, Mazie Hirono is/was a co-chair and there’s only a handful of votes I’m disappointed with… One being the Obamacare Sellout vote…!
If they can get Biden then the new Senate Leader is next in line I think but aside from that scenario I agree.
Aren’t these are the same people Obama was making fun of the other night…
At least he had the decency not to laugh at them on camera.
Good point who’s retarded now Rahm Mr Soon to be responsible for the Dems 2 biggest election defeats in history?
Not that I know…but Lisa’s place would be great.
I voted for Obama. On the night he was elected, my daughter and I cried we were so happy.
I’m serious about this. The line has to be drawn in the sand NOW. We’re holding him responsible. We will not allow him to fuck over the neediest Americans. If he tries, we will support his removal. And take our chances with the next president.
Cribbage here, but the same basic idea. I hung with the other music nerds. We were worried about what college we were going to attend, and how could we (guys, not so sure about the girls) get laid.
Ahhh, Cribbage…do you still play? A very long time for me, but I really liked it. Some friends of my parents, I think, introduced me to the board. Yep, we were just not hanging out on bloody altars….quite odd, wouldn’t you say?
For sure the Republics/T-Party will issue loads of subpoenas and attempt to impeach BHO, which will be a monumental waste of MY (and your)tax dollars. I’m a fiscal conservative, so I strongly object to such a frivolous waste of time & money, esp when the nation can least afford such a stupid distraction. That said: BHO has done nothing but bring this onto himself. Incredible how he’s turning out to be almost worse and more clueless than W Bush.
My other beef with impeachment is that the R’s will focus on totally dumb waste of time stuff and ignore the real issues: like no jobs, possible cuts to Soc Sec & Medicare, “true” HCR, etc.
Thanks for the info about this. I hope the networks take this up, but bc it’s about “reality” – and not about Christine O’Donnell’s stupid sex life – we probably won’t hear much about it.
I’m serious too the Right might bring up impeachment but its our concerns that can bring him down.
Unfortunately, I’ve come to the conclusion that Obama has a LOT of balls, and he knows exactly what he wants to do.
They just miscalculated the blow back from the massive rip off of the American people that we call the Wall St bailout, the bailout that propped up and enriched the very same firms and people that caused Wall St and the world economy to implode. The right solution – just like the S&L crisis before it, start an RTC and break up the TBTF banks.
They miscalculated the blow back from HCR reform that forces everyone to pay for insurance from the very same companies and people that made American health care the most expensive and one of the worst performing in the world. The right solution – give everybody access to Medicare.
I honestly think they could have survived the rest of their failed promises and problems, but the country is going down the shitter and we’re watching the President REWARD the very people that put us in the toilet and flushed.
Here’s a couple more for those idiots Dems in DC to remember:
Cut SS or raise retirement age – you will be impeached, and ALL of America will help.
Raise taxes on the rich. You just had a glimpse from a polite audience of how popular that is, and it’s excellent, realist policy.
End the wars – they kill our best, waste our money, and don’t work.
Heya, CT.
I wouldn’t even hold that vote against Hirono. By the time that rotting sausage got to the floor, what choices did Hirono (and the other CPCers, too) have? It was that or nothing at all.
While I’m unconvinced that what we got is better than nothing at all, I’m not about to hang (in any sense, real or symbolic, Mods) anyone who says it is better than nothing. It was a completely inadequate first cut at the problem, and it will have to be fixed. Let’s hope the fixes are improvements.
Which I guess is yet-another-reason to get out and vote D in November. How do you suppose Steve Pearce (R-Big Petroleum) who’s running to get his seat back in my district will vote on fixing the thing?
My dad still mops the floor with me whenever we’re in the same room. He taught me to play, I taught a bunch of my friends in HS and somehow it became The Thing.
My niece learned to play from her father, and used it extensively when she was teaching Elementary Math.
Unfortunately, conservatives won’t focus on those issues if they go for impeachment.
No. It is the Speaker of the House.
We cried too but it was because he made us feel good about ourselves. Oh look, racist, ignorant, mean-ass America is not as bad as we thought.
The next president won’t be any better and he may not be any worse. There is a very narrow range of candidates the oligarchy will approve. They got really clever this time around by allowing one of them to be black and young and handsome and smart and from humble beginnings, with a lovely wife and two adorable daughters. That made us love him and the other side hate him and kept us fighting with each other instead of ganging up against them. So far so good.
*heh* I’d taken it personally since I’d told her face to face, in numerous emails and phone calls, all beseeching her to push the PO…! ;-)
Like many, my friends and I felt the same way.
Like many, my expectations were somewhat low, but to say that I’m gobsmacked by how shockingly bad Obama has turned out to be is putting it midly and politely.
Some Dems continue to remain in denial, but I see more and more waking up to how badly we’ve all been “had,” not just by Obama but by “Dems” in general.
Thanks. What I think we have to do now is protect against the dismantling of the social safety net after the elections. I really don’t trust this guy. We have to work together to prevent any weakening in the programs that benefit the weakest among us.
If it takes threats, so be it. If it takes unholy alliances, so be it.
All to the good thanks; I should look for an opportunity to find a game. I’ve mostly forgotten, and I really enjoyed it.
I saw a passing reference to AARPs opposition, but I surely have not heard of any action, etc. It can be quite a force.
Good thing blackwaterdog wasn’t in attendance. That lady wouldn’t have made it out of that place in one piece…
Quite agree. I am doing ok, but what I see out there is very bleak and getting worse, not better. We really need to work hard to maintain what we have bc for sure these villians are intent on ripping us all off with Obama leading the charge.
So Congress is going to impeach Obama for cutting Soc Sec when Congress is the one that actually has to vote to make that cut? Not bloody likely.
AARP can be good, but they’ve kinda been all over the map on HCR.
I am hoping that they’ll take a stand re Soc Sec and Medicare. Although they are trying to appeal to “younger” Seniors, their main focus seems to be more on the elderly, who are pretty “safe” in terms of Soc Sec & Medicare. The rest of us? Not so much.
Please remember that AARP is an insurance company first.
Obama & his white house advisers, like so many previous dem leaders (99.9% of them), and the democrap party as a whole have completely squandered their early opportunities. They piddle around with no sense of urgency, expecting people to kiss the red carpet the way everyone did (especially the media and majority of the left) during the campaign. This group perfectly exemplifies brilliance in knowing how to campaign, but complete lack of understand (and apparently ability) about how to govern and especially exemplifies no understanding of how to actually LEAD or be a leader. True leaders serve they don’t merely give what have come to be completely lackluster meaningless speeches.
(Guess what: apparently Hillary was right. Great speeches during the campaign and so far, little else of consequence.)
Meanwhile they all act like spoiled self-indulgent ball players/athletes who consider themselves big ‘heroes’ and who need to be patted on the back and praised for every small act. They have wasted time, money, human resources and all the goodwill going off on tagents, taking their own sweet time missing the boat on what matters most: JOBs, the economy for working class americans. They’re now totally completely surprised that people don’t ‘get what we’ve done for them’ while whining incessantly about being misunderstood and unappreciated.
Meanwhile ‘what they’ve done for us’ is not what we asked to be done.
Talk about a bunch of out of touch arrogant politicians — this admin fits that bill — like every other but in that special way that ONLY arrogant democraps can and always do.
I certainly no longer have ANY sense of allegiance to any party including and maybe especially the dems because they have proven they don’t deserve any. These elites called the democrap party are so far out of touch with real people they really are surprised by our disappointment. It’s no excuse, but it’s the sad truth. (I’ll NEVER vote for a republican or tea partier, but I have no real interest in perpetuating the feckless arrogant self-serving, self-enriching liars currently in power either).
The democrap party has been fiddling their violins and twiddling their thumbs since about 2007, while Obama has been doing so since about Jan 2009. They seem to have no sense of urgency for anyone but the richest of the rich.
People are disappointed with completely valid reasons. So far, at this point were the election held today he would go down in flames. And so far, I don’t think he does deserve a second term. The problem is the republiCONs would be so much worse.
It really is a sorry situation. With leaders like these, no wonder people are discouraged. Our system(s) are broken. It is up to ‘we the people’ to become and to be the leaders we deserve.
You’re missing the point. An R Congress will impeach him for taking a piss.
Agree – if the R’s go to impeach BHO, it ain’t gonna be about that. The R’s LOVE the idea of gutting Soc Sec & Medicare, and they’re having their mouthpieces – RushGlennSarah – brainwashing the T-Partiers, fundies and other conservatives to view these as “entitlements” that are horrid and that only slacker welfare libruls would want.
Don’t count on impeachment to focus on anything useful. It will be more of the same baloney, like the birth certifcate junk.
True. Albeit, they’ve done some good lobbying in the past.
Yeah, they are probably not really interested in looking forward….
Did he answer the question,”is this my new reality ?”
His long winded bull…t didn’t show up on the clip.
Great snark. The point is that Obama is going to need the support of all Ds going forward. That support MUST be conditional on protecting and expanding the social safety net.
I know. I’m not in any hurry to ally myself with any unholy teabaggers; I suspect it may take a few more election cycles for them to realize they are voting solidly against their own interests. But I’m down with anyone who is willing to acknowledge that the system is rigged against us and that as long as we vote for a Democrat or a Republican, we can expect more of the same.
Margaret….I heard a spot earlier about our local NPR, KUT. It was saying that they have job openings and the information is online….
I pray a real progressive Democrat will step up NOW and challenge Obama for the 2012 nomination. Who can we draft and dump these clowns? Please somebody start this now!
Really…the irony of an impeached Obama while W and Dick skate, or something. Gives me a headache….
“If the Republicans take the House and initiate impeachment proceedings, I will feel sorry for President Obama”
Not me. Not one little bit.
Got an envelope full of their “add to your Medicare coverage” just today. Went straight into the trash, unopened.
Well, we can look forward to this if the Rethugs take congress
“Steve King Demands ‘Blood Oath’ From Boehner To Shut Down The Government”
scary folks, these fascists.
Not me either, but I’ll feel sorry for citizens, whose tax dollars will be wasted in this exercise in stupidity bc it’ll be about the birth certificate & other junk like that. Annoys me no end.
The voters sent a clear message to the Rs that fucking with SS was out of bounds. Barry was the only one who didn’t get that message. He is responsible for resurrecting the idea with his phony analysts, phony statistics, and loaded Cat Food Commission.
amen hotflashcarol!
Don’t count on it. Believe me, RushGlennSarah are “softening” up the T-partiers in re to this. Don’t hold your breath expecting the R’s to protect it. Hope I’m wrong.
Yes, with Barry leading the way.
You are correct. Let me be rephrase.
If the CatFood Commission recommends raising retirement age or slashing benefits, I will be on the phone to my Senators and Congresscritters supporting impeachment for a hang nail.
Is that callow and duplicitous? Yes.
Right now I’m on the fence supporting this guy. I will vote, and for those candidates that best represent my position. I will no longer support the Dems with time or money. I will base my vote in 2012 based on if he supports real Democratic reform from now til then.
If it becomes clear Obama is targeting SS, I will work with WHOEVER to have him voted out or impeached from office.
It’s the third rail, baby. Go there and get burned.
off topic: do I detect a PDQ Bach aficionado?
just asking for some (comedy) relief…
Absolutely. Barry was the perfect Trojan horse for this: an AA purportedly “Democratic” POTUS. Who would expect an AA from allegedly humble and difficult beginnings to lead the charge on gutting Soc Sec & Medicare?
Just saying that the R’s & T-Partiers cannot be counted on opposing this, as their demigods, RushGlennSarah, are currently touting the notion that Soc Sec & Medicare are welfare entitlements, and that good Xtians ‘murkins don’t want it, don’t need it, and should be disgusted to take it. Don’t expect the conservatives to oppose the cuts is all I’m saying.
Agree — especially now that the President we voted for put it back on the table, front and center.
A Wiccan (no way to check) said on WNYC that the devil is not part of the Wiccan mythology, so whoever O’Donnell was dating was not a bona fide wiccan.
And she saw blood on the alter? But did nothing about it?
Riiiiiight.
Sounds like a Catholic.
I thought he would not honor Democratic Party principles due to his 1) using Harry and Louise-type ads to attack Hillary, 2) his walking back his bold, strong protections for his IL constituents whose wells had been contaminated by tritium leaks from a nuke power plan, 3) his saying Repubs had most of the good ideas in the previous 10-15 years (which covered Clinton and BushBoy!), 4) his apparent hero worship of St. Ronnie, and 5) his seeming inability to identify himself as a Democrat unless forced to do so.
I almost forgot about his bringing up SocSec’s “problems” really early in the primaries — alarming Paul Krugman. And me.
Among other things I learned about him. Including his walking back his strong support for single payer while still in the IL state senate…. In one of the last primary campaigns he did say he thought health care was a right, but it was only after the moderator repeated the question to him serveral times; when he said “Yes,” he looked as if he were choking on the word.
Also, the first time I heard him speak, aside from a less than interesting question (little speech) at a Senate hearing, was in the early debates. I could not believe people were raving about him as a great speaker! That was another reason I felt he was one of the weaker candidates. I could not get into the swoon mode at all.
“just how can we defend him?”
Oh, but we must! The recurrent episodes of Obama’s ass-smooching of our economic lairds…then, his beating on progressives like the proverbial rented mule, all have to be ignored…for example, as Digby and Kos are so diligently ignoring them.
Digby, in particular, can’t bring herself to deal with the fact that he’s been hosing us for most of his term in office, but with the firestorm from a lot of progressives breaking on his head, it must have pained her to have to make rare and VERY tepid criticism of Obama’s using progressives for comic shtick at that $30,000-a-plate (belch!) fatcat dinner.
Predictably, Digby’s little “tsk-tsk” was immediately followed by another 70-pound red-herring about the tea-partiers, dragged out to be added to the rest of the growing and rotting fish market, and all the threads about her favorite fear-doll, Sarah Palin, talking out of her ass.
It’s at the point that the Obama defenders don’t even like the survival instincts of those of us who are pissed that Obama is dragging we and the rest of the party straight into the political shithouse. Rather than go after Mr. Centrist, They want to roll over for that, too.
dolchi@101: “Who can we draft and dump these clowns?”
Good question: For now I think we should focus on the drafting. The dumping process is about to begin, in a few weeks.
I used to enjoy talking about the rats leaving the bushCo sinking ship in his last term. I had no idea I’d be looking forward to the same thing in Obama’s FIRST term.
David,
Don’t you find it rather disconcerting when Obama, MSNBC, or some other Dim makes the point that the rich have been treated very well over the last two years, so why are they complianing? Yes, they have been treated extremely well; that’s the problem.
“it’s the third rail, baby; go there and get burned.”
Glen, you’re firin’ me up! :o) Love it!
You know, if we ended all of the Bush tax cuts, including those for the middle class, we would net nearly 4 trillion to restock SS over the next 10 years, not just the paltry 700 billion we would save solely from ending the rich’s tax cut. But, this is just another example of business as usual in DC, neither party can make the right decision for the country.
It’s already clear:
Union Protests Morgan Stanley’s Role in Advocating Social Security Cuts
On CBS News tonight: A pretty young mother, with her new baby cradled against her chest in one of those trendy swaddling cloth-like baby carriers (in a lovely bright apple green), who apparently had voted for Obama, when asked if she would vote for him again, said, “I just don’t care anymore. I’m done being idolistic [idealistic?}. I’m done.”
I was listening all that closely, but the city looked like NYC, but so do lots of big cities. And I’m not sure it was Obama or Dems she no longer cared about.
Way to go, bringing those young voters along, Barry!
If anyone else caught this segment, and my wording is off, please feel free to correct.
Let’s look at the numbers:
How many people in the country: round to 300 million
How many will need SS (let’s cut out 10% as wealthy enough to not need it or in a retirement system that is outside SS, realistically it is probably less than that): round to 270 million
So 270 million people will benefit economically from SS, the other probably don’t care and a very small number are really behind crushing it.
What is the political power of even half of 270 million people saying don’t cut SS? Do you really want to form a viable third party? This is it.
Makes you wonder why it’s NOT the third rail anymore. the Dems want to steal it and the R’s want to give it to their bankers friends. they know our votes don’t count anymore that’s why it’s not “the third rail” anymore.
SS already has 2.6 trillion in it’s trust fund, it does not need to be restocked.
1. If is done bi-partisan, you can’t just blame the Democrats.
2. You have nowhere else to go.
Look, it’s still a third rail with the American people. As an issue, it’s more like a canary in a coal mine. If DC is able to cut it, you can be damn sure that crony capitalism has completely prevailed.
The same was true with the TARP bailout. The American public was TOTALLY opposed to it, and as it turns out, they were right.
The same was true with the Iraq war. It took a massive PR effort, a bunch of flat out lies from the WH, and a salt-in-the-wound MSM 9/11 treatment to sell a very sceptical America.
“You can’t just blame the democrats.”
The hell we can’t. If a democratic preznint even lets it come to the floor, much less signs it, we’ll blame him all the way out of the White House.
“You have no where else to go.”
That’s what Obama thinks, too. You’re both wrong. You need to read the posts on this thread more carefully. It’s the tip of the iceberg, and coupled with the digust of the independents and a lot of “moderate” democrats, you’d have done better to send the White House a telegram saying:
“Progressives were instrumental in your big win. If you keep crapping on them you’ll have nowhere else to go.”
Put it like this: How many republican votes do you think that 21 months of Obama’s kissing GOP ass is going to net him?
I briefly watched the clips of people questioning President Obama. I listened to his responses. I agree with most of the posters here: Obama is arousing no sympathy from his most “hopeful” constituents and is trying to sell his “accomplishments” as no better than a brake, a tourniquet, set of measures that buy time. President Obama is President Zero. He is a Reagan Democrat at best. And we knew this a long time before he was elected, so it comes as no surprise. What comes as a surprise is that he isn’t even capable of learning.
Why didn’t he address the question?
Carol’s right.
The repubs are idiots, but they’re not idiotic enough to get rid of the man who’s done, and is still doing (see: the fatcat banquet speech) a rehab job on them that is almost unbelievable…even to them.
They beat on him and he’s like a Dickensian English school boy getting his ass whaled by the headmaster:
“Please, Sir; could I have another?”
Whatever else Biden may be, he would be, for a while at least, a fresh start. Not something the repubs would like to have in exchange for the guy who’s working hard on one of the biggest reversals of political power in a lonnng time.
Did you hear Chris Matthews afterwards on his show and I quote -
“You mean France is ahead of us in how we do the American Dream?” “I thought in France when your Father was a Baker, so were you…” “You mean they’ve gotten out of that???”
Chris is a MORON, how does he have his own show? Talk about being out of touch, he’s out to lunch.
Germany has what they call a dual education system. Those determined smart enough go on to becoming Doctors, Lawyers and other High Tech or Soft Degrees, go to the Universities. Those more cut out for Skilled Labor and Service Sector careers go to Technical School.
This results in much, much lower teen unemployment, while we have a serious teen unemployment problem. Some might have a problem with that and say people that could be ignited to become something more than a Welder or Hairdresser will not seek higher education. That’s not true, you can return to school at any time. What they ensure is that you have a set of skills that will keep you off public assistance, which reduces POVERTY, what a novel concept….
Matthews just represents a Jingoistic theme that dominates our media. We can’t be worst than (insert European Country)???? That’s why the media tries to diminish the roll of the UN in political and social discourse, they don’t want to have to concede to UN resolutions that are not in the US interest and they for sure do not want anybody to see that in many World Rankings the US is FAR behind Western Europe.
I couldn’t agree more 100%!
Obviously she’s a racist.
“Resign, dude. I say this with love.”
That’s the message we need to send him. It won’t have effect now, but in mid-2012, I think his poll numbers will be scaring the bejeezus out of the leaders (such as they are) of the democratic party.
Actually, I doubt he’ll resign; with some helpful suggestions. I think he’ll just pass on running again.
It should be like:
“Mr. President, it’s like this. you’re not the first person who was hired for a tough job who was simply in over his head. Thanks for…uhhh…trying. There are some people from “centrist” think tanks waiting just outside the White House fence with their checkbooks in their hands. Good luck!”
James Kunstler is on fire today, and dead straight relevant to this discussion:
http://kunstler.com/blog/2010/09/puke-time.html
America needs to break the monopoly of the Ivy League on our federal government. Obama is continuing this elitist practice in his personnel decisions. Is Harvard/Yale the only place that can teach law or public administration in America?
Primary Mr. Bipartisan in 2012. The country doesn’t need a moderate Republican in the WH it needs a fire breathing Democrat that is true to “Democratic” values not neo-liberal values. DUMP OBAMA!!!
We aren’t a First World country: by the generally accepted standard, income inequality, we are a Third World country. The most notable feature of Third World countries is the high degree of income inequality. Take a look at the Gini index of income inequality here and here. (The Gini index measures income inequality on a scale from 0 to 1, where a country in which everyone owned an equal amount would have a Gini index of zero, and a country in which one person owned everything and everyone else nothing would have a Gini index of 1). You will note that most of what we term “Third World” countries have a Gini coefficient of above .40, and most of the industrialized countries have a Gini index below .4 (that’s the standard: above .4 and you are Third World), with one glaring exception:
The USA is the world’s wealthiest Third World country!
It’s not the “Ivy League”. It’s the Poison Ivy League. They are educated to serve the interests of a wealthy elite and not the working and middle class. Start looking for leaders from public universities and not the pricks that come out of the Poison Ivy League.
300+ million people in the Corporate States of America and this blog entry generates less than 200 responses. Is it any wonder the right wing has the left for lunch every day? Oh, wait a minute. Tonight’s the night for the new TV season. Nevermind.
With a way behind education system…Not good for the future.
I’m voting for Boxer/Waxman. They are some of the better ones in the Congress, and they are certainly better than Carly Fiorina. Ugghh!
However, when 2012 rolls around, I don’t think I can vote for Obama. I’m not even sure I can do it if he’s up against Palin, Pence, or Huckabee.
He’s really shown his true colors these first few years. The man can campaign like a mother fucker, but when it comes to the business of doing the people’s business….he SUCKS!!! His “people” consist of the rich, Wall Street and Corp America. As no one I know fits any of those demographics…he’s almost pointless to me.
His speeches since taking office are completely uninspiring. He looks like he’s on tranquilizers half the time. There is no passion, no compunction, no energy in him. He’s corrupted milquetoast. He needs to pull up his “man pants”. LOL had to say that………
When visiting HP, were there are numerous Obama apologists, one notices that even they cannot write a complete comprehensible sentence. The intellectual difference between Tea Party troglodytes and Obamabots is really not that great.
It’s the tranquilizer of power and immense wealth dancing in his head. He doesn’t have to “give a damn.” He’s made it and will never have to eat cat food.
Twenty years ago I was a research assistant for a university professor originally from Peru. At that time Peru had a poverty rate near Haiti’s, an inflation rate of around 200%, and several public health emergencies, the most famous of which was a cholera epidemic when waste treatment and water treatment facilities in the same building somehow got their pipes crossed (I am not kidding). The economy was stagnant, and he told me about industries (the tin industry was once a major export,etc) that had equipment sitting around decaying because no one would invest the money. The international banks wouldn’t loan money because Peru had defaulted on its debt. But Peru had a class of very wealthy people who had profited from Peru’s earlier boom times as an exporter of raw materials: why wouldn’t they invest in the economy of Peru? Because it was more profitable to invest in prosperous countries like the US and Europe, and they weren’t invested (literally and figuratively) in the success of Peru. That is where I see us now: we have a class of very wealthy people almost completely cut off from the rest of the population, who own most of the wealth but whom invest it in more prosperous/ better risks like China. That is the predictable end of a dying empire.
We saw the same problems in Obama – but I was still on “hope” at the start of his term – illogical as that obviously was.
“The intellectual difference between…” I’ll say! They both think we’re dumb enough to swallow their respective koolaid.
At Hullaballoo, Digby has a clip up of last night’s town hall. Guess what she chose to show?
The part where Obama is debating, EVER so gently, with the hedge fund manager he knew in college.
Not a PEEP about the black lady who took Obama to task and spoke of how tired she’s getting of defending him…
That’s what some of our courageous bloggers are doing to help us: aiding and abetting Obama as he drags us into the crapper.
On November 3rd, it’s going to take some logic-elasticity worthy of Plastic Man, for the loyalists to try to cover Obama’s butt, as they “explain” what happened.
I am discussing with my grandkids and their parents the advantages of immigration to the EU or Canada – the process is no worse than the one that made the family American.
Our corporate owned/controlled media where the owners did not touch the reporting was our last hope – and now that it lies (see AP articles for rightward slant and outright lies) there is not much hope of change.
Political corruption I can deal with – but what we have now is the planned turnover of the country to the rich as we redefine America as a third world country. The Club for Growth owns the media – and everything else. – Indeed when we lost unions under Reagan, the game was nearly over, and Obama has turned out to be something other than “hope and change”.
I compleatly agree with you, SS is still the 3rd rail.
I was just saying Obama has talked himself out of believing it for the reasons I stated.
When I read Janes article on $30,000 a plate dinner I understood the vast difference between the sound bytes and the reality.
Fact : Minimum wage before taxes (Soc. Sec. + Medicare + Fed + Local + Sales Taxes) Thank God it is still direct due to good effort of folks like Jane, we know how the sad reality is and do not have god forbid VAT taxes where we do not even know the taxes we pay.
$7.25 per hour * 40 hours /week * 52 weeks /year = $15,080 before taxes and working with no vacation per year. This is a number everyone can crunch with a calculator in a minute and is a fact. My economics teacher once told us to do it in class for us to get a picture of reality. I still remember that lesson and it really put my ground on the feet.
Where is the accountability. I recently read not in MSM but local newspaper of a person who spent around 10 years for taking a loaf of bread without paying. Here we are talking of couple of trillion dollar debt our children have to pay for someones irresponsiblity and on top of that nothing happens to them. If Pres. Teddy Roosevelt or Ike or FDR or LBJ were present right now some of people would have seen the message of accountability and red faces at the dinner instead of laughter in $30,000 per plate dinner on the issue of health affordability important for 99% of the country.
First, I will definitely be voting the straight Democratic Party ticket in November.
Second, if the choice is between a Republican and a DLC-backed Blue Dog Democrat, I will still vote for the Democrat, because in my view a vote for any Republican is a vote for the ultra-wing-nut Tea Party branch of the fascist-dominated Republican Party, with the Tea Party being a front for the John Bircher billionaire Koch brothers, religious extremists and racists.
Third, I will have a hard time voting again for President Obama in 2012, primarily because for the past 21 months the Obama administration has consistently backed and sided with the few DLC-alumni Blue Dog Democrats in both the House and the Senate (and their Republican-echoing wing-nut conservative agenda), while at the same time pushing back against or blocking the efforts by the majority of liberal progressive Democrats in both the House and Senate to pass liberal progressive legislation.
Sen. Harry Reid and Speaker Nancy Pelosi, apparently following the lead of President Obama, moreover, have not cracked down hard enough on the Republican minority, nor on the DLC-alumni Blue Dog Democrats, based on what they as Senate majority leader and Speaker of the House, respectively, could do, if they chose to.
Furthermore, President Obama (and Reid and Pelosi) have appeared to bend over backwards to appease the out-of-power Republicans and that party’s corporate Wall Street masters. At the first sign of Republican obstructionism over his nominees, for instance, why didn’t President Obama immediately use his presidential power of recess appointments to bypass the Senate Republican’s filibuster threat? Does President Obama still view himself as a U.S. Senator, and not president?
I could list numerous examples of President Obama’s (and Reid’s and Pelosi’s) capitulation to the culture of corruption Republican Party and that party’s budget-busting and deficit-exploding corporate masters, but unless President Obama (and the Democratic leadership on Capitol Hill) show more courage and resolve in facing the crazed right-wingers (whether Republican or Blue Dog), then President Obama (and the Democratic Party leadership on Capitol Hill) should be replaced, making room for more liberal, progressive Democrats to lead our nation out of the conservative-caused hell many American citizens are experiencing…(to say nothing of the conservative-caused-hell-to-come if climate change legislation isn’t passed).
Red, always love your posts. (I like the red and black!)
Anywhoo….god, that is so telling. Yes, indeed, we are in heaps of shit. Things are going to get ugly in the US of Amnesia. You think people are going to stand for a diminished standard of living? We are a bunch of pampered pricks. Then again, maybe they will. Sometimes serfs don’t realize they are serfs.
Shit, we all are.
Over at Huffpo, so called liberal Obamabots are attacking that middle class lady as being stupid and greedy. That is who Obamabots are. Middle manager type pieces of crap who lack any sort of political savvy or compassion for fellow Americans.
Fuck the Obots. If you want to see delusion, see Digby. She plays the educated, above-it-all pundit, but she’s really just a DNC hack.
My side? Excuse me, but you have no idea of my politics or my color. Wrong on both counts. Dem all my life, except for Jim Jeffords (who became a Dem) and of color. So, I am talking of people who support candidate gung ho. Really have hard time supporting anyone who gets that kind of worship, it’s dangerous and anti-dem. I am disappointed that no one actually saw thru it or thought it thru. Makes it hard to trust orgs. Maybe the signs were there but ignored. Hillarys famous quotes.
You”re absolutely right. I’m not filthy rich, but by any ordinary standard I am rich. I don’t do my investments. My financial advisors do it for me. They do not invest in the US. Proves your point.
Yep! …although I might have written “big boy” pants!
The “SAVE SOCIAL SECURITY” Party!
I like it!
I shake my head when I think that Barry Oilbummer will one day eviscerate Soc Security. It makes me furious. We need to harness that anger. Because there are many pissed off people on the left. We need to get in Barry Oilbummer’s smirking face.
I don’t get that at all from Digby.
Teddy is creating his own gravitationl field spinning in his grave.
The woman who scuttled Obama’s day – she is the stuff of my dreams, although I expected her to pop up in the ’12 general.
The reason Matthews is so astonished is because he buys the bullshit meme of “American Exceptionalism,” which, alas, has been around for over 100 years, and making us stupider every year. Per AE, Americans are only rarely poor or ill-treated or in a financial depression. Per AE, everything is right and better in America than everywhere else in the world.
Alas, too, last year sometime, Rachel made a comment to the effect that a Rethug critic of Obama was wrong in saying that Obama does not believe in AE. She then quoted or paraphrased Obama’s statement of subservience to the meme. She did not criticize Obama at all. So, I guess, Rachel also believes in AE. Really too bad.
I was struck by his complete dodge on Social Security:
Translation: “Um, yeah.”
As we spend 50 percent more on health care costs than Europe and hand over 10 trillion dollars of play money and bonuses to Wall Street. Barry needs to get a grip. His arrogance and lack of empathy rival Reagan.
Well… I have to add the Dems to my list of stupid people… Yes… There are some outstanding promises that have not been kept… But the legislation that we have passed is huge… Why are we defending ourselves???… We need to point out the people who live in opposite land…
“I don’t get that at all from Digby.”
Then you haven’t been paying attention.
When she does put up a thread admitting to problems, the words “Barack Obama” don’t usually appear. It’s like our difficulties descended on us from heaven. It’s okay to blame Bush for creating most of them, but talking about Obama’s sustaining of them, or ratcheting them up, doesn’t make the cut for thread material.
Instead, she’s compulsive about using the asshats like Palin-Beck-Limbaugh, to try to pump up the fear machine and help pimp the new DNC slogan of:
“Vote for us! The republicans are even shittier!”
Obama just picked Jacob Lew, a former honcho at Citigroup, to head the OMB. Lew doesn’t believe that de-regulation had anything to do with our economic problems. Letting Wall Street run wild is just his cup of tea.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/21/obama-nominee-jacob-lew-f_n_732594.html
Put it like this, Tongo: You let us know when you see this, or anything like it, up at Digby’s.
Well, yes it does, because the government must have the money to fund SS while still operating annual fiscal expenditures. The money from the general fund (through the SS trust fund) has been drained by the defense contractors and the Defense Department. So, yes the government should warrant SS benefits, but squeezing blood out of a turnip is a thankless task. In addition, later in the century SS revenue will fall behind expenditures. The nearly 4 trillion in increased revenue over the next 10 years by ending all of the Bush tax cuts should be funneled directly through the general fund and placed in the trust fund. That would give the Dims cover to end all of the tax cuts, the lions share of which would come from the middle class. I am also in favor of ending the cap so that all income is subject to the payroll tax, that would allow us to fund a direct government jobs program.
On a side note, I wonder if KO or RM will bother to protest.
I won’t know first-hand because I quit watching months ago when it became obvious to me they really did intend to ignore Obama’s perpetuation of Bush and focus instead on pumping up fear of right-wing craziness.
The government borrows money all the time and the money it borrows from the SSTF is no different than money it borrows from other creditors.
Politicians, including Obama, now want to cut SS benefits as way of not having to pay that money back to the SSTF. In a nutshell, they want to default on the SSTF.
This is something they would never dream of doing to other creditors like China or Goldman. China and Goldman will continue to get paid back, the people who contribute all their lives to SS will get screwed.
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