Some fireworks at the end of an otherwise uneventful conference call with White House Senior Adviser David Axelrod, when blogger Susie Madrak took the White House to task for their continued swipes at the “professional left.”
Madrak asked, “I’m a blogger, and I don’t know if you know this term, but are you familiar with the term hippie-punching?”
There was about a 15-second pause. “Go ahead,” said Axelrod.
She continued. “Liberals and bloggers feel like we’re the girl you take under the bleachers but won’t be seen with in the light of day.” She mentioned a series of incidents where the White House distances themselves from their base, and wondered how that helps Democrats regain enthusiasm from those same people. “We’re not big numbers, but we raise money and we encourage people to vote and get involved. You have to help us help you,” she concluded.
Axelrod tried to bring Madrak in on common goals. “Let me say this. I really believe this is the most consequential time in our lifetime… We are in a struggle, we are in a fight. We don’t have to agree, but we all have to lock arms and move forward here.”
He then pivoted, kind of making it sound like both sides need to lower the temperature. “Saying we shouldn’t be involved in intramural skirmishes, I couldn’t agree more. And that goes on both sides… I’m not lecturing you, I’m speaking to everyone involved on our side. There are big things at stake here. The nature of progressive thought is that we go at it, we trade ideas, and that’s as it should be. But we have to come together.”
Axelrod tried to make it sound like Madrak was saying she wanted help (I don’t really know what he was intimating here), but Madrak said, “No, I said help us help you. Don’t make our jobs so much harder with these comments.”
“I’d say right back atcha,” replied Axelrod, growing a bit tense. “Whatever differences we have pale in comparison to the differences to the folks out there today masquerading as representatives of the American people.”
“I hear you, I hope you hear me,” he wrapped up.
I’d go over the rest, but it mirrors this White House blog post taking a pinata to the Republicans for their “Pledge to America” today. Also, Axelrod still plans to say Republicans are holding the middle class tax cuts hostage, even though Democrats didn’t bother to offer a vote showing that contrast. And he thinks the Administration will ultimately win that debate and get only the middle class tax cuts extended, which makes him more optimistic than virtually anyone.
But I’m pleased that David Axelrod knows the meaning of the term “hippie punching.”
UPDATE: Greg Sargent covers the same territory.
UPDATE II: Here’s Susie’s take:
Basically, after Axelrod told us how wonderful we were and how much they needed us to close the enthusiasm gap in this election, I called him on it. Like, yo Dave, here we are, liberal activists who give money and GOTV, and the White House needs to punch us in public so no one thinks they take us seriously?
And then he said, like, your feelings don’t really amount to a hill of beans in this crazy mixed-up world when we’re TRYING TO SAVE THE COUNTRY, and then I said excuse ME, we’re not talking about my feelings here, how am I supposed to motivate my readers when you treat them like the town ho?
Or words to that effect. I do it all for you, my beloved readers.





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Now that’s just purely some serious communications skillz going on there.
Or not.
Sure wish she’d said DFH punching, though.
You know he knows what it is, because Rahm walks in his office every morning and asks which dirty fucking hippie they’re going to punch today, and who’ll do the punching.
Groaning and griping.
Shorter Axelrod: “We both give our ideas and then you stfu and do what we say while we badmouth you”.
obama administration to progressives: don’t bother us with principles and silly things like that, just vote for us.
Z
Shorter Axelrod: when Barack Obama said: “hold my feet to the fire and keep pressuring me, that was secret code for ‘stfu you dirty f*cking r*tarded hippie.’ Why is that unclear to you? Maybe you need a drug test. Now give us some money, vote for Dems and stfu.” Or something like that…
Help us help them do what? Cut Social Security?
It’s as if Madrak thinks we’re all on the same team and Obama’s triangulation just gets the way of our common efforts. The hippie punching isn’t merely strategy; it’s belief.
Arrogance and ignorance on parade.
We are the girl you are willing to diddle under the bleachers, but won’t acknowledge in public with a real date.
Only now you realize you need us.
Well, now a trip to the movies and some pizza won’t cut it.
YOU’RE GONNAHAVE TO ASK US TO THE PROM!
And to go steady, and to wear your class ring.
Roses would be nice, too.
Hey, DD
Do you recall which “incidents where the White House distances themselves from their base” she mentioned?
I’m going to give them EXACTLY as much help as they’ve given me trying to find a job. Hope they can take alllllllll that help.
Selling out what’s left of America to the highest corporate bidder is hard work. What, you want the Republicans to get all of that money?
I don’t care what they call me, I care about what they do–or don’t do–once they’re in office. Axelrove, like the rest of the insiders, forgets one very important point: he works for us, we don’t work for him.
Is there anyone who’s ever worked in an organization who doesn’t understand that once the boss has made up her mind, when she says “jump”, you say “how high?”? Mr. Axelrod, do you know what happens to employees who consistently ignore the bosses orders? They get fired.
jeebus, can anyone imagine the shoe being on the other foot and the Republicans punting on a chance to fire up their base with something like Bush Tax Cuts ?
Cynthia, you must be close to my age. It’s been 40 years or more since I heard them words!
Yikes!
Although this is true:
“Liberals and bloggers feel like we’re the girl you take under the bleachers but won’t be seen with in the light of day,”
I’m not sure it’s persuasive. These people don’t want to hear any talk about touchy-feely things. I understand she is trying to say that liberals want to be on the same side as the WH, but the hippie-punching makes it difficult. But any talk about feelings alienates these people. It is best to say we want a, b, and c and then we’ll guarantee our vote and our time in support of the Democrats. To be honest, though, I really don’t know what would work.
Yeah, exactly. I’m a little put off on the plea to “help us (progressive bloggers) help you (democratic party)”, which she should know means help us deceive the voters becoz if the voters knew what these sellouts are truly all about they wouldn’t lift a finger to vote for them.
Z
Message from Axe and Obama: “You should be THANKFUL you even got hosed under the bleachers!”
“but we all have to lock arms and move forward here”. No, Axelrod, we don’t. This old hippie bitch don’t have to do a damn thing, which is exactly what I’m doin’ Nov.2. I’ve had a belly full of the liberal bashing, I have zero enthusiasm.
Today the healthcare reform started, today I still sit here uninsured.
Axelrod can reach me at http://www.kissmyass.com.
Thank you. Indeed. The arrogance of these SOBs is vomit-inducing. Again with b.s. crapola about “saving the nation” or whatever. It’s clear they could care less about trivial matters like doing what’s right for the nation.
The concept of “by the people, for the people” translates for the likes of Axelrove into: “I got mine, now stfu and get in line, you disgusting serfs.”
Like we’re supposed to suck up to him and “make nice,” never “complain,” never voice our opinions, just cough up the cash & votes on demand and grovel at their vaunted feet feeling grateful for whatever paltry crumbs are tossed carelessly in our general direction.
Sheesh, Oh Lord Axelrove: that’s NOT how it works. You work for me. If I don’t like the crummy job you’re doing, then you may get fired by me. Wake. Up.
What??? These are the original sensitive, touchy feely, empathetic asshats on the political scene today. That was their whole schticht. Granted, it is all made up nonsense, but they sure as hell purveyed it.
Screw the roses.
I want Medicare for All – Improved. Until there is Medicare for All, I want Medicare buy-in for all the people close to 65 who will not be getting another decent job. It shouldn’t take all that long to pass decent health CARE; check out how fast LBJ got Medicare implemented, and without computers. Then no worry about Big Insurers refusing to cover little kids who need health CARE.
Oh, and stop trying to mess up SocSec. Shut down your and Peterson’s Cat Food Commission immediately. Instead of the prom, I want SocSec begun at full payout at least by 60, with consideration of lowering the age as your Chicago School ideal of high unemployment makes things worse.
And don’t forget the solar paneling of all possible roofs and white painting of all blacktopped roofs. With a side helping of massive research on renewable energy sources. The climate’s not going to get any cooler — and Americans on lower and lower wages won’t be able to afford AC, dude.
Then I might reconsider….
Oops. my bad. There really is a kissmyass dot com. Did not know that.
This is why I bailed on OFA quite some time ago. The Obama administration thinks it can simply issue orders to people and tell them to support policies and politicians WE DON’T SUPPORT.
I get what you’re saying, but I think we’ve already elaborated on the “a, b, c” of what we wanted – and were more than clear about it (i.e., public option, at least) – and they told us we were “f*cking r*tarded.”
So she’s going for another analogy to see if that penetrates their bubble. Run it up the flag pole and see if they salute.
However, I doubt that the likes of arrogant Axelrove will “get” anything except what the corporate Oligarchs tell him to do.
“And I got some buddies’ll be along any minute, don’t go away!”
The dims, and obamarahma specifically, are trying to return to campaign mode, but it is not working. The little that I have allowed myself to listen to obamarahma shows him to be stumbling and lost, sort of like his hero st. ronnie, when talking extemporaneously. The tightly run campaign went out the window as soon as rahmie could bring drama to the WH. I used to support my senators, Menendez and Lautenburg, because I agreed with them much more than I disagreed. Not anymore. I have no desire to vote for anyone above the local level.
So Susie asks:
I ask:
Why are you still trying to motivate your readers when they treat you like the town ho?
i wish i had tape of it. I was kind of too busy laughing at that point, but it was basically the left of the left, professional left stuff.
Can anyone imagine a GOP preznit allowing his addled opponent to lead a filibuster of troop funding during wartime … without saying anything about it at all?
Yup
I don’t think they just pissed off the progressives, they pissed off the whole country. They are so out of touch that they can’t be trusted to govern anymore.
I bet Axe wishes, just once, he could make Rahm do these fucking blogger calls.
Just once.
They blew it already, too late to kiss and make up.
If we had a good health care reform, if there was a massive jobs bill like the WPA, if they actually tried to help those most hurting instead of daintily tiptoeing around the people sleeping on the sidewalks…
But we don’t and they didn’t.
Hey I know, make a Debt Commission! Threaten to cut our Social Security. Oh you’re already doing that? And we STILL won’t donate and get out the vote? Tsk tsk.
Someone should have asked Axelrod if he knows what it means to Sister Souljah someone. I’m sure he would have understood then.
How many ways can you spell “Absolutely tonedeaf”?
9.6% unemployment two yrs. on. Doesn’t matter what these retards say now, nobody believes anything they say.
Axelgrease is a moron.
if i may paraphrase the venture brothers cartoon from last week:
I had the benefit of words of wisdom from a judge, in family court (groan), who said he knew he did his job when all parties were pissed off at him. The President is not a judge that can afford to piss off everybody. He has to make someone happy and it’s best if they are those who will vote for him or his party.
President Obama could double the defense budget tomorrow, outlaw unions, abortions, teh gay and abolish welfare and it would not net him a single republican vote.
And he would do little worse among progressives.
Obama blew any claim to leadership when he (1) became a “farce” advocate for gay rights/DADT and (2) abdicated leadership on single-payer to Max Baucus, Liz Fowler and WellPoint… chose which order you want those two.
Now he’s (OFA) sending out letters begging for votes for D candidates. Where was his vaunted OFA machine when the TBaggers were screaming at town halls about health care on behalf of Dick Armey and the Koch Brothers?
Leadership? Huh?
Wow. They really couldn’t care less about us aside from us opening our wallets and perhaps voting for them. Other than that, we’re just an annoyance, keeping them from getting “real work” done by our whining, I guess.
Every time I think this administration can’t disappoint me further, I’m wrong. Well, they won’t be getting my money or my vote. Screw ‘em. They’ve sure screwed us.
Guessing your job search efforts (saw your comment elsewhere from this morning) didn’t pan out. So sorry if that’s the case.
Axelrod misunderstands that a lot of progressives hate the Democrats as much as the Republicans and think they are two heads of the same beast. Or at least he pretends not to understand.
You know, the more I think about it, the angrier I am at that attitude. I thought that condescending paternalistic attitude belonged to the conservatives. Oh, yeah: Obama is a DINO.
Hey, dimwit, YOU have to prove to US you are worthy of our time, money, and votes. We don’t have to do shit for you.
I think the term “enthusiasm gap” is incorrect.
Most of us DFHs aren’t just lying around on the couch, too lazy or stoned to get up & vote for Dems.
We’re pissed at them, and we’re goddamn well not gonna vote for ‘em.
I do encourage folks to actually go vote: vote for down-ticket people; vote for a socialist/peace-n-freedom/Green/whatever just to show you’re awake & aware, but refuse to put your vote in the Dem column.
There’s plenty of “enthusiasm” out here. It’s just in the wrong direction for Dems.
I’d like some roses.
“We don’t have to agree, but we all have to lock arms and move forward here.”
I’m speaking to everyone involved on our side ….”
David, nothing about your behavior convinces me that we are on the same side.
“….the folks out there today masquerading as representatives of the American people…”
David, the current occupant of the WH masqueraded as a progressive to get elected, he is the undisputed king of masquerade.
“…the Administration will ultimately win that debate and get only the middle class tax cuts extended,…”
They will renew ALL of the Bush tax cuts after the election and do it quickly so they have time left to cut SS per the catfood commission’s recommendations.
Susie speaks for a lot of us. While I’ll vote, certainly down-ticket, and maybe up-ticket, unless there is a sea change, I won’t be leaving skin in the game. What’s the point of jumping whole-heartedly into a campaign when the candidate, once elected, will once again turn his back?
Keep covering this angle… it’s important.
The only person I donated to this year is Russ Feingold in Wisconsin. I might donate to some local Arizona races. The last 2 election cycles I donated what was for me a fair bit of money.
It was the continuing of torture that got me.
LOL! ROFLMAO!! He just might try to find you there!! ☺☺
That was good. We’re being too ghetto, asking for jobs & Social Security & Medicare & safety net & all that shit. We should just shut up about the rich paying more taxes since we’re just gonna suck up all the money in handouts.
It’s not like they are flushing the country down the toilet running two wars at a billion & a quarter a week, each, on borrowed money.
We’ve been hearing you loud and clear for close to two years now.
THAT’S THE FUCKING PROBLEM!
Obama really has some charmers around him. Rahm calls us f*****g retards, Robert calls us professional lefties who need to be drug tested and along comes the Ax pretending that we work for him. Such delightful people. s/
“You play a great role in informing people about the stakes of elections,” Axelrod told the bloggers. “One of the reasons I was eager to expend time was to enlist you.”
Ahhhh, you wanted to “enlist” the bloggers! Enlist them. . . to do what, exactly, David?
Enlist them to shovel the sh**! How about you pass some Progressive legislation, fight for something Progressive, do something, anything, Progressive, and then you’ll “enlist” the rest of us to vote!
Poor David Axelrod! Thought he was smarter than everyone else, and he’s not!
ugh
Katie Couric teevee news just said Axeltool will leave WH next spring and go back to Chicago to run Obama’s re-election campaign. Seems to me he’s more likely to run Rahmbo’s campaign for Mayor. Either way, good fucking riddance. He & Rahm should just leave now, they were both total disasters.
We need to inflict payback on the lapdogs who are going to pay off the rich by extending the Bush tax cuts during the lame duck session. We need to knock as many of them out of Congress as we can. DDay posted the list this morning.
THAT is actually quite revealing. They didn’t want bloggers to inform people, they wanted to enlist them to help catapult their propaganda. They’re pissed because progressive bloggers continue to inform on them instead of getting on board and helping them sell us down the river!
No enthusiasm for weak-kneed Ds, that’s certain.
Why they think anyone is going to vote for them, when they’ve proven only that they can’t get anything done, is beyond me.
There goes Cass Sundstein’s theory. . . right out the window!
Exactomundo.
I thought “enlisting” the DKos bloggers was enough for you guys?
Oh, now you want to enlist people who AREN’T in OFA!!!!!!
The fact that the administration won’t even use a carrot when it comes to progressives suggests to me that they’re deliberately trying to lose to make for a more comfortable relationship with the increasingly skeptical center (“The wacko lefties didn’t come out to vote so now there’s a Republican Congress and we can’t do anything!”). It’s not like they can’t promise something (“We won’t destroy Social Security!”) and then simply break the promise, as they’ve done before. Then by 2012 the goalposts will have been sufficiently moved far enough to the right that Obama can run on a wildly progressive platform like “I won’t nuke France” or “Due Process Before Debtor’s Prison” and reclaim all our votes.
Yeah, there’s that too… along with Vietnamistan…
That performance was topped by Ed Rendell telling the progressive wing of the party to “get over it,” as though we’re a bunch of twelve-year-olds. Really classy, Ed.
We’re Ninja Hippies, we punch back.
Here’s a question–did anything substantive, at all, happen during this little soiree? And if not, why should anyone be interested in this little fluff piece about punching hippies?
Short Obama administration: “You’re either with us or you’re against us.”
Great take-down of Axelrod by Susie and the bleacher metaphor is so appropriate.
It’s like the Democratic Party leadership is embarrassed by us liberal progressive Democrats, the Democratic Party base, while the Republicans aren’t embarrassed at all by the Tea Potty radicals, a Tea Potty that’s full of crap, that not only stinks up the Republican Party but also the rest of America.
For this reason alone, I am definitely voting straight Democratic Party ticket in November, as I’ve done over the past several decades, come Republican hell or global-warming high water. The Republican Tea Potty alternative is just too, too odious to even contemplate. Ewwwww.
What ever, Susie spent years brown nosing and posting propaganda on crooks and liars(feels like years, 2006 on?) As of late seems Susie is a tad bit more educated on the last 10 years, a little less propaganda and a little less brown nosing.
I can see why she feels like an under the bleachers ho. She said exactly what the Hilary Clinton democrats wanted said, so she could get the bone. Now that she got slammed with the big cock of the traditional establishment democrats Susie has become demanding wanting dinner and a movie before she gets fucked again, HAH. Doesn’t work that way Susie. Once you become a ho, you will always be a ho, sorry…move on HO!
Allot of people stopped Reading Crooks and Liars because of her, Susie is an idiot as far as I can tell, from what she has posted. She got the job not knowing what the fuck she was doing, posting Lies and revisionary news.
You people clammer around idiots, does anybody know what the fuck just happened this past decade, can anyone remember?
That Anti-war movement was so powerful, so many people involved….wasted, hijacked by loudmouth morons……>.<
I know what happened, I was watching, and I do have extra ordinary memory retention.
Ah fuck it, sorry for the disrespect Susie, but you did really suck this shit up. I could have done a better job than her copy pasting posts!
I’m going to sign pledges that I’ll vote for them, or check their name off, or send big checks … and at the last minute I’ll think of some bullshit reason to betray everything I promised, and then I’ll still vote but I’ll write in “me” or “you” or “the itsy bitsy spider” or “medicare for all” …
ALWAYS vote.
NEVER check off the name of OR vote for a fascist lackey.
STOP voting for these f’king sell outs & incompetents.
rmm.
How about ID bracelets? Anyone remember them?
Oh and on the voting thing, not another vote from me until ATM technology is applied to optical scan and DRE machines and the voter can walk away with a verifiable receipt. Not one more vote.
Wow……… look at all the really pissed off liberals! And I don’t mean that in a sarcastic sense at all. I’d honestly begun to fear that I was the only pissed off liberal refusing to fall behind the party line.
I’m deadly serious when I say that I won’t lift one finger to help this election year. AND I’m someone who always took election day off to help with ‘get out the vote’ drives. They won’t get one red cent, either. I’m not sure yet who I’ll vote for, but I can promise it won’t be for any of the Democrats up for election in my area. If that means that the extremist Republicans win, I’m surprisingly okay with that.
Shocking! Axelrod’s a Hack…News at 11.
Pleeze. The good ship USS.A. hit the iceberg a long, long time ago – The country is sunk, the holes have gotten bigger and multiplied while the lifejackets for the peasants have been used, lost and destroyed.
These things called elections, specifically in 2010 & 12, are just furniture shuffling excercises.
But certainly let us know how that first Tuesday in November turns out ’cause a bunch of us have more meaningful events to attend to:Such as watching Wheel-A-Fortune reruns, scrubbing mold off the shower curtains or fishing in Nova Scotia.
Really, dink? Really?
I have a little problem buying into you- for someone with such “extra ordinary memory retention”, you sure cocked it up on this one. A simple click or two through the Crooks and Liars archives would show you that Ms. Madrak has only been at that site since 12/08.
Is there anything else that you’re not retaining so extra ordinarily?
I wasn’t selling anything, only giving my opinion. I noticed C&L had a “format” change around 2006, they were different before that. I am assuming Madrack was the culprit. Hey, well while you simply click threw her posts, why not check the shit information she posts as truth. I used to correct her, but I just started to get deleted and censored.
You are putting words in my mouth, I could have just as easily checked to see her first post too, dont cha think. Why I worded it like that, seems like years??? since 2006???
YES Susie is an Idiot, I am sorry, I believe I said that too.
SO yea, Really, Yea everything I said really. What ever, you take this so personally, I think you just may be Susie low IQ Madrack responding to little ol me…HAHAHAA.
Susie Knows shit anybody that knows, knows she knows shit. Cocky enough? Umad?
No, that wasn’t me, I only have one account here and it’s this one. Don’t tie your brain in knots trying to “prove” it was me, because everyone here knows you can’t have two accounts from the same IP address.
And no, I didn’t run out to a Kinko’s in the middle of the night so I could open another account from a different address, because I don’t especially care what people who don’t know me think and I’m only responding to make clear that I don’t have any sock puppet accounts.
It’s not how I roll. If I want to say something, my name’s attached to it. I think those who trash people anonymously are cowards, and no one’s ever accused me of that.
But thanks for the kind words, anyway.
Bush did the same thing to the fundamental Christians and it worked for him. No reason why it shouldn’t work for Obama&Co.
We really shouldn’t be surprised by how many gullibles there are who think the power elite in Washington care a rip about voters — other than when they reach out to touch them and wave at them like royalty to the peasants at a parade; “… sucker born every minute..” you know.
It IS all so predictable. But then, I’m 67 and have seen this play a few times before with different actors in the roles. I’d do it myself if I were a politician because I am very competitive and play to win. Which is why I am not a politician; one does have to live with oneself at the end of it all. I prefer business games to mind games.
Advice: give whatever you can to Common Cause. The system has to change. It is not enough to change the names of the participants, or the party designations of “who’s on top”. And then do something more meaningful and productive and fulfilling with your time. Help others, because that is NOT the job of government, really, nor should it be. It’s just part of their con and jive talk to get our support.
I am one special SOB. :P Anyway, the people that matter know who I am, that is including you. I imagine you can see my ip on C&L’s site(probably here too), same ip still. I do change it allot, the ip. Comcast, change the Mac of your router and reboot the modem and router, new ip. As soon as the cable modem detects a MAC change it renews the IP on reboot.
You are doing a much better job and the number of comments show it. When you first came in Holy Hell, you were all but clueless. I still think you are missing the mark, Establishment Democrats are worthless, why bother keeping them happy?
I see the tone has changed, finally, but too late. Why bother giving them money when that money you collect could be given to NEW non-establishment democrats. You know there are only 50 good congressmen, if we are lucky. A much better way to have spent the last 4 years would have been trying to knock the fake democrats out…like challenging Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reed just to name a few. Instead tho all the net roots money has been funneled to the Clintons and absolutely worthless schmucks(yes I am making a broad generalization again), now I hope your are beginning to see, we need more like Kucinich and Grayson, we need less Clintons and Obamas.
You get me Susie, not that my opinion holds any weight. I am easily dismissed, buy the netroots, kinda like the netroots are easily dismissed by the establishment.
I really enjoy trolling, I am a proud Troll, mind you.
Um, I just heard a locking of arms for the midterms. I would argue it’s probably bad form to flank the White House from the left for this very instant. Voter reg. and pushing isssues should be all that matters for the next month just because of the money the left is up against, no?
Well, geez, if you were talking about deserved dick slappings and referring to her as a ho over there, it’s no wonder your comments got deleted.
You should check out this thing called civility. It helps you to be critical without having your comments deleted. I can think of at least two regular commenters at C&L- Ricky and Peter G- who employ this tactic regularly in their criticism of Ms. Madrak, and I’ve never seen them admonished for it.
I wasn’t talking about deserved mushroom prints. I have my own personal issues, I know Susie is helping us, I thank her for that. I do try to be civil, I think normally I am…maybe not….Sorry Susie, keep kicking ass. I am extremely frustrated with our government, it is not Susie’s fault.
I’m a life long Dem. and I considered myself quite progressive – I’ve lived and worked in Europe and promised myself I wouldn’t come home until we had some form of socialized medicine or medicare for all AND gun control. I’m also a passionate believer in women’s rights and equal participation of women in government. The Nordic countries show us that good social programs and women in government go hand in glove.
I’m a human being with passionate political views who campaigned my heart out in the 2008 primaries for the candidate I had been waiting for my entire adult life. I campaigned in Wisconsin and Texas and Pennsylvania. I stood on a street corner in downtown Philadelphia exercising my right to free speech with my 15 year old daughter. The mostly African American residents of the neighborhood were friendly even though most of them preferred another candidate. A few youths held up a victory sign and yelled “obama” and grinned at me as I held my Hillary sign. The only people who were rude and demeaning were the progressives and this was even more true in Austin outside the debates.
When I was told that “She” voted for the war and I answered well Obama didn’t have to vote for or against the war because he wasn’t in the Senate and he voted “present” 130 times in the IL senate so we don’t know what he believes in or stands for, I was dismissed and reviled and insulted. Well folks you bought a pig in a poke and you got what you paid for.
Please open your minds to how we get the things we all want (like help for the middle class). I dare you to go to this link and read the entire editorial all the way through. Keep in mind it was written in Sep. 0f 2008 when most politicians were blindly jumping on the TARP bandwagon with no preconditions for the banks. I was listening to both sides in the primary not just to one. She had done her homework on foreclosures and was talking about the coming crisis already in 2007. PLEASE READ THIS WITH AN OPEN MIND YOU PROBABLY DIDN’T BOTHER TO READ IT IN 2008 BECAUSE YOU DISMISSED THE AUTHOR AND VENUE OUT OF HAND.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122230767702474045.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
Someone mentioned LBJ and getting Medicare, well as far as I can tell noone on this blog would have voted for LBJ. He was a southern Democrat from Texas who dragged the conservative Democrats kicking and screaming over the line on Medicare. And he had to insert even more political capital by twisting arms and breaking knee caps on civil rights.
We could have had a president with a backbone but you dismissed her. BTW I love Russ Feingold (He’s got real backbone) and he’s in trouble in WI, I was just there so contribute if you can.
“taking a pinata to the Republicans”? I think you’re mixed up on what a pinata is. A pinata is the thing you smash, not the thing you smash it with. Axelrod’s not the only person who has a problem with idioms.
blueintx, I sympathize with you, but remember how Clinton voted on TARP. (She voted “yea.”) Maybe she’d have been a more effective President than Obama, but her politics are not any better than his as far as I can tell.
Regardless of her positions (which were either close to Obama’s or more liberal), Clinton always had the edge with tactics. The Clintons know how to fight, and there’s just no way the right wing be making these allegations unchallenged if she were president. Nope, just wouldn’t happen.
And I’m also convinced that Clinton wouldn’t have left the 99ers fighting for their lives. She’s a hell of a lot more empathetic to working people than Obama.
Your mileage, of course, may vary.