The President helped NBC kick off a PR event called “Education Week” by sitting down with Matt Lauer and boosting his education reform agenda, including this statement:
Money alone isn’t the cure for America’s ailing school system, President Obama says.
Speaking to TODAY’s Matt Lauer in the Green Room of the White House for nearly 30 minutes, Obama said that additional funding tied to significant reforms — including a longer school year and lifting teaching as a profession — is a much-needed fix.
“We can’t spend our way out of it. I think that when you look at the statistics, the fact is that our per-pupil spending has gone up during the last couple of decades even as results have gone down,” explained Obama, invited to appear by NBC as the network launched its weeklong ” Education Nation” initiative.
So according to the President, money without reform won’t fix schools. Well, neither will reform without money. Because you can make the exact same statement that the President made, about how per-pupil spending has increased while results have decreased, about the reforms he seeks. National studies have shown that charter schools result in worse performance more than better performance across all schools. They have shown that merit pay does not advance performance goals in any appreciable way.
It’s also notable that the President, careful with his words, set the bar back two decades when he discussed per-pupil spending. Because while spending on education has indeed gone up from the Reagan-Bush years, in the most recent years it hasn’t, as budget crises have slashed education spending and the federal government has not filled the entire gap. In fact, you can look at particular circumstances and see the clear value of proper resources in education performance, just by looking at the schools featured in Waiting for Superman:
Yet the exclusive charter schools featured in the film receive large private subsidies. Two-thirds of Geoffrey Canada’s Harlem Children’s Zone funding comes from private sources, effectively making the charter school he runs in the zone a highly resourced private school. Promise Academy is in many ways an excellent school, but it is dishonest for the filmmakers to say nothing about the funds it took to create it and the extensive social supports including free medical care and counseling provided by the zone.
In New Jersey, where court decisions mandated similar programs, such as high quality pre-kindergarten classes and extended school days and social services in the poorest urban districts, achievement and graduation rates increased while gaps started to close. But public funding for those programs is now being cut and progress is being eroded. Money matters! Of course, money will not solve all problems (because the problems are more systemic than the resources of any given school) – but the off-handed rejection of a discussion of resources is misleading.
Obama acknowledged this in his remarks today, saying that “Obviously, in some schools money plays a big factor.” But he doesn’t mind painting a broad brush about money without reform, while ignoring the actual metrics on his version of education reform. He also wants students to have a longer school year, which clearly would cost more money (“money well spent” as Obama said), yet wants to hide the failings of reform by de-emphasizing a money-first approach.
I think the fact that the Administration tried to save its reform-first blackmail scheme, Race to the Top, by cutting food stamp increases, when the one area where everyone concerned about education can agree that poverty has a severe negative impact, and we know that food stamp benefits lift millions out of poverty, tells you everything you need to know about their priorities in this context. And while I personally know good teachers who have 40 kids in a single AP classroom, and who cannot devote individual attention to their students precisely because of resource-starving, too many education “reformers” will chalk up these problems to teachers not wanting to adapt, or just not being “smart enough” to teach. The depravity of the reform agenda is pretty shocking.
Just one last word on this:
“The vast majority of teachers want to do a good job … We have to be able to identify teachers who are doing well,” the president said. “Teachers who are not doing well, we have to give them the support and the training to do well. And ultimately, if some teachers are not doing a good job, they’ve gotta go.”
I guess that the President wants this kind of accountability because he sees education as so crucial to the future of the nation. Under this standard, then, I guess that the financial industry isn’t as crucial, or the military, or the executive branch of the previous White House. Because no such accountability exists in those realms.
UPDATE: I would argue that the fact that middle-class and above school students seem to do well, even compared to high-achieving students abroad, argues in favor of a resource-based solution for impoverished schools below that middle-class line, more than an untested “reform” solution. The age and class problem with schools just matches up perfectly with their relative use of resources.




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teacher pay in most of the better preforming first world countries is dramatically more than in the United states.
First and foremost, we need to get rid of the Teachers Unions. Then get back to basics. You dont learn, you dont pass. You are going to wear uniforms, and bring your own lunch to school. Dont give me that baloney about how they can’t afford their lunch, when they all bring cell phones to school. And no more of this massaging of their FEELINGS.
Take Chicago,please. Public schools are spectacularly succesful in the ‘burbs and troubled or failing in the City. Could it be that the ‘public’ part doesn’t need tobe swapped out? Maybe city schools need resources and supporr, as opposed to privatization.
Okay, either you forgot to add the /s to your laundry list of thirty-year-old Reagan-era cliches, or you’ve stumbled onto the wrong site.
Plenty of Tea Kettle Klan blogs where I’m sure you’d be more comfortable…
Oh, and the word “don’t” (the contraction of do not) contains an apostrophe. Don’t: yes. Dont: no.
See what I learned in public school from teachers who were proud members of a TRADE UNION? What’s your excuse, ya[Edited by Moderator. Disagree without being disagreeable]?
My humble apology to the moderator. I know you have to make tough decisions. It’s just that I’m a union member and I’m passionate about unions and the welfare of my union brothers and sisters. Sometimes my passion knows no patience.
My Mother was an English teacher and librarian who worked in both public and private schools.
I had aunts on both sides of my family who were teachers as well as cousins who were and are teachers in all levels of schools including university.
They always spent their own money to cover costs their budgets didn’t
And it keeps getting worse all the time.
At least he didn’t bring up school uniforms…for now.
First, the federal government is increasing its influence yet again, now getting into education more and more. The rationale is that the locals are broke but big daddy can borrow the money, so if you want progress you must go where the money is — and if you take the money you have to obey the new rules. Local control has long been a staple of US education and despite the bad news, despite blaming teachers for failures due to underlying social problems, despite the failure of parents to get involved, the system has worked and any problems that it DOES have won’t be solved by Washington. Quite the opposite.
Second, NCLB (Every Child Left Behind) has failed and and Race to the Top, Obama’s plan, is about to fail. The latter is a $4.35 billion competitive grant program which divides teachers, and teachers, next to students, are by far the most important component of education. They should be supported not divided.
Third, the whole concept of standardized testing is bogus, when it’s a known fact that (1) children differ and (2) they progress at different rates. Howard Gardner wrote extensively about differing human intelligences and Piaget was an early authority on child development. We need to foster basic knowledge, yes, but not at the expense of valuing the “school solution” over creativity and self-development.
Finally, we have Arne Duncan: “As we look to shut down and turn around the 5,000 lowest performing schools around the country, about 200 of those happen to be charter schools, and that to me is absolutely unacceptable.” (The unacceptable part refers to the charter schools.) ‘Hello, parents and children, I’m from Washington and I’m here to shut down your school.’ Shut down the DOE, I say.
These idiots have no idea what they’re talking about. 40 students in a classroom is not uncommon these days, and due to the dire budget situations in many districts, half-bright, over-compensated “administrators” are still looking for things to slash, including classified and professional staff. The net effect is that the teachers are doing more with less. And yet these assholes still have the temerity to sugggest that it’s a problem of “not wanting to adapt, or just not being “smart enough” to teach?”
Self-moderated.
spot on comment
Evanston and the Suburban League schools in the 50′s had excellent resources – but Cook Country could not replace burned out light bulbs or broken doors or windows – back in the 50′s and sixties when I was familiar with those schools.
Lawrence O’Donnell on MSNBC – a fellow I think of as too conservative – more than held his own in a discussion with Morning Joe as Joe tried to push vouchers and charter schools. Seems to have real knowledge of how the unions are not evil – and how charter schools are not the answer.
I’d have more respect for Arne Duncan if he had ever taught a class.
Seems being tall person that can speak Ebonics (not kidding) and play basketball with Obama gets you a job these days.
First as a country you have to value education over ignorance, intelligence over stupidity, and science over folksy gut “wisdom”.
I think back to the 60′s and wonder if that emphasis on science and technology and innovation can ever become part of American society again, or if America is doomed to Idiocracy while other countries pull farther and farther ahead.
I guess if all else fails you can just [Edited by Moderator]!
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L past the troll. That person isn’t worth engaging.
Quite simply, public education made this country what it is. So, of course, the faux liberals can’t wait to tear it down. Do I think there are problems, yes. Do I think it should be abandoned, absolutely not. Frankly, the concept of charter schools sucks.
The trouble with opposing ‘reform’, even in quotation marks, is that it puts you behind the rhetorical eight ball from the get-go. I mean, who would oppose reform? Only corrupt institutions and people need to be reformed. Are we in favor of corruption or what? I say, drop the whole pernicious frame, quote marks and all.
Signed,
Repetitious Scold
Science? What is that, some kind of alien religion?
don’t think charter schools have worked out. still undecided about vouchers although I lean towrds being against them. have to watch about using NJ as an example. would want to see the numbers. i grew up there and the amount of money dumped into schools in newark, jersey city, camden, etc was HUGE. and they suck. did then. do now. when i read that “gaps have started to close,” is that because, say, Newark schools got better or other districts’ schools got worse? too many corrupt pricks on the school boards/BOE’s. Too much money is being thrown around. Look, it seems to me there is no disagreement that money won’t solve the eduaction problems in poor districts. i would hope we could get parents in the cities as involved as posssible. if they want vouchers; give ‘em vouchers. who am i to say no? it’s their kids, not mine, who have to be educated in those areas. if the can get a better education with vouchers then i’m for them. if not, then i’m against them. if we don’t know, then i don’t know. uniforms? don’t see the problem. at some point, schools have to show some results.
Public Schools made the USA the envy of the World.
The USA mfg base also made the USA the envy of the World.
You can’t have one without the other. Strong MFG BASE = STRONG PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
The USA currently has the most educated un-employed work force in the WORLD. Why? because the same people who want to F Up! Public Schools thought it was a good idea to send good american jobs abroad.
Teacher Union all across the USA hate Obama the Trojan Horse, the Con Man, Mr. Hope A Dope, etc.
Progressives and real dems need to be looking for a presidential candidate for 2012. Obama has no chance of winning!!! ask David Axelrod, RObert Gibbs, etc.
Think about this simple fact 70% of america hates the Obama/Bob dole Health Care Bill.
90% of all Dems now know Obama likes Reagan and Bush, more than he likes FDR, how are you liking the Obama plan to conquer the current Depression in the USA.
Now Obama thinks it a good idea to attack public education, when public schools, and public universities are busting at the seams! due to the high demand for their services, due to the current depression.
Obama is becoming a bigger moron than Bush
Yes!!! Coming this December Obama attacks social security.
How many people think Obama will get elected after attacking social security, public schools, trying to be hoover,? NONE
This is easily the most neoliberal policy to come out of this administration. I am happy to finally see some discussion of it on the FP here. Obama and Duncan have already created a mess to clean up in their zeal to make all states conform to their prescription of disproven “reforms”. And, our wealthy elite, the Arianna Huffingtons, Oprahs Winfreys, Bill Gates’ and Zuckerbergs, are using their influence to push this country in a direction for which there has been no real debate. It’s the most anti-democratic approach to education in this country’s history.
Sister Theresa, is that you?
Way to be all empathetic, buddy.
One of the teachers at the Open House meeting that aired on MSNBC yesterday stated that 4th graders in Japan are doing work that our high school seniors (even our college students) cannot do. They were pretty much 100% against standardized testing, as well they should be. Heck, even the head of education under Bush, who pushed all the testing, has now come out against it. Our children are not being taught critical thought nor logical thinking. It has nothing to do with unions and everything to do with the continual, since Nixon, dumbing down of America. Our public education system is borderline third world. Yet I hear the future of America being referred to as “I don’t have kids, why am I paying school taxes?”
Obama’s Education Reform = dismantling public ed and privatizing the system for profit.
Uh, Barry, a longer school year costs money. Dumb fuck.
Obviously, President Obams isn’t “forward looking” enough for me.
Take, for example, in two generations, the majority of Americans are going to speaking in Spanish, and the minority, in this instance, white Americans won’t be able to adjust to the “sharp elbows of competition”.
And this need not happen, if the Obama administration was looking to “a new and improved” America. His backward looking attitude, is doing a disservice to all of America, if the federal government isn’t willing to institute both English and Spanish, and done simutaneiously, throughout our K thru 12 pubic education systemic.
Sadly, I don’t see Democrats willing to engage in this political battle, as yet.
Jaango
Agree that this has nothing to do with unions. i’m not convinced that there isn’t a place for standardized testing. I mean, there have to be certain basic facts that every kid has to know, right?
Exactly – or if not that, then: “I’m either home-schooling my kids (and probably still using the public school system in various ways) or sending my kids to private school (often with no real reason to do so, except for the snob value), so why should I pay taxes to support public schools?”
The point that appears beyond many citizens – and Obama – is that if we don’t adequately educate ALL students, we ALL lose. We need an educated work force and citizens who are employable (when/if there’s job) so that they can be productive and pay taxes. So short sighted.
US teachers are not paid that much. Most citizens don’t realize how many hours per week the average teacher has to work – far many hours than what’s spent in the classroom. And most teachers have had to “fund” many classroom resources for years due to underfunding our schools.
Shameful.
Well, so far they haven’t wanted vouchers. When vouchers were offered in DC in the 1980′s for instance they were voted down by about 9 to 1. It took a Republican Congress acting in the dead f night when the entire Black Caucus was out of town to for vouchers on DC residents in ’03:
blackagendareport.com/?q=content/corporate-school-reform-vs-democracy-still-issue-dcs-november-election
In the last election cycle, In New York City, the pro-charter movement targeted incumbent legislators skeptical of the charter movement with well financed pro-charter “reforms”. In all cases the “reformers lost.” In DC, Mayor Fenty lost a primary to Council chairmen Gray in what was widely seen as a referendum on the school Chancellor Rhee’s ham handed approach to education reform, including firing hundreds of teachers and closing down schools without heeding the concern pf parents:
voices.washingtonpost.com/answer-sheet/diane-ravitch/ravitch-why-fenty-rhee-lost.html
And, in Central Falls RI, where we witnessed a high profile mass firing of educators, parents and students of the community joined in to protest the move:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/25/education/25central.html
We have little evidence these are reforms communities have asked for.
Yes, but the problem is that teachers are forced to spend an inordinate amount of time “teaching to the test” and as long as the test drives everything as far as standards.
Better to do away with the test as currently structured as all it really does is ID the children who know how to take tests
Obama is a Trojan Horse. His intent is to help Republicans take a wrecking ball to public education.
First, republicans hate unions. The Teachers Union is one of few unions that remain. They want to crush the Teachers Union. Obama wants to help.
Charter Schools are designed to crush the Teachers Union. Teachers must forfeit tenure and pension benefits and the union in order to work at a Charter School after their public school gets shuttered.
Did you see where Goldman Sachs donated millions of dollars (stolen from us) to build a Charter School in NYC?
Its all about Union Busting. Obama loves it.
In other words, Obama’s solution to improve education is the same as his solution to everything else. Vague platitudes followed by doing everything he can to fuck things up more.
See this article.
President Obama and Secretary of Education, Arne Duncan–with the help of NBC/MSNBC–are doing all they can to focus on our failing schools. Politicians, especially on the national level, however–like in the U.S. Senate–need to wake up, stop the fighting and blocking, and move this country forward by actively supporting education reforms.
Teachers need more pay, school districts need to update curriculum and technology, and parents need to let teachers do their job, rather than interfering and/or shifting the blame for their own bad parenting. Parents need to spend quality time with their kids regarding homework, and schools need to stay open longer to help kids get their work done when parents aren’t availbale. Also, administrators need to stand up to parents rather than taking their side so much. We need to extend the school year, and as a culture, we need to value learning. Our students need to be self-motivated and leave their toys at home. Finally, we need to restore the image and power of teachers and think of education as an investment.
It DOES “take a village,” so partnerships are needed including kids, parents, teachers, administrations, school districts, teacher unions, government, and businesses. When students fail, our nation fails!
Exactly.
Republicans HATE with a passion any pensions ever, and most union jobs come with pensions.
Plus with privatized Charter schools, once a teacher hits the ceiling in terms of salary, then – whoops – they can be kicked out, fired or laid off in order to hire less experienced teachers at much lower pay. It’s a scam to enrich the private school owners, NOT set up in any way to provide a “better education” for students. And you can bank on that.
Strongly disagree. Obama and Duncan are taking a fact-and-evidence-free approach to so-called “reform.” The MSNBC show was a fucking farce — until Lawrence O’Donnell began to push back against that ignorant asshole, Morning Joe.
Obama is sifting the blame to teachers and administration. He doesn’t want to put out the funding that is required to bring about improvement. Bureau of Indian Education, to which the Federal government has a Trust Responsibility, had less money to work with this year and those are Federal Schools! So horsecrap on this reform stuff.
Well, the current policy, RTTT, is the policy of a Democrat that forces states to lift charter school limits and weaken teachers union in order to even compete for funds. Clearly, we have a bipartisan problem on this issue.
This is Gingrich lingo circa 1994.
Be prepared for a barrage of such regressive rhetoric about “school choice”, vouchers, Charter Schools, more testing (a Shout out the Kaplan folks), “teacher accountability” and — the dumbest of these ridiculously dumb ideas — extending school years.
And we’ll get to hear from Education losers like Arne Duncan and uber-Hack Michelle Rhee in the coming months.
Hooray!
Go to free republican, or the new republican boards!
Another side of this privatization of public schools and forced redundancy of teachers has to do with transnational entertainment media companies. There are players, Viacom and Bertelsmann AG, both with friends in the Obama administration and the NY Mayor’s office. Media companies want to get into schools in a big way, infiltrate them with their branding campaigns, the works. Not to mention leveraging Microsoft and affiliates. It’s all coming together.
You know, I hear Sarah Palin talking all sorts of trash about teachers’ unions, but I don’t recall her shitting on teachers the way Obama regularly does.
Just sayin’.
I can already read the “tea leaves” on this one. The teacher (unions) are the scape goats for the country’s ills. What BS. China is taking farmers out of the fields for their factories and our workers are not educated enough.
It’s getting old, can’t anyone in the press see through this BS. Every politician that regurgitate this BS should be given a one way ticket home.
Dividing the progressive base is one tragedy of Obama’s education “reforms”. Some progressives such as Arianna Huffington & Oprah are behind the oligarchs by promoting Waiting for Superman, NBC’s education nation, union bashing, and charter schools. In reality the real heroes are teachers who work in thankless, exhausting conditions, with no real wage increases in 30 years.
For example, Huff Po would not post the following comment I wrote responding to this story http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-tv/arianna-to-bob-scheiffer-_1_b_741044.html#comments
“Waiting for Superman” is propaganda promoted by the very interests who want to funnel tax money to charter schools- hedge fund managers, real estate investors, and corporations hiding behind foundations. Arianna decries special interests and oligarchs in this video but endorses their unproven, neo-liberal policies for education in another. What’s up?
Don’t think for one minute these people care about poor inner city kids. These are the very same ‘billionaires boys club’ who have written Arne Duncan’s education policies and Race to the Top grants. Why should businessmen dictate how children learn and teacher’s teach? Do hedge fund managers tell doctors how to practice medicine, or lawyers to to practice law?
It’s shameful they are using poor, inner city students to feed their naked greed.
http://blackagendareport.com/?q=print/content/freedom-rider-charter-school-lobby-buys-elections
I knew a woman from a poor family who went to a top private school on scholarship. She would have been grateful to have uniforms but instead she went to school like Cinderella amongst her mostly wealthy schoolmates. There are uniforms and there are uniforms, but uniforms per se are not a bad idea. Uniforms are really just an extension of a dress code.
Good article! I read thirty articles on this subject and yours was the only one I found that wasn’t a complete pile of you know. The film and response from the media from MSNBC to FOX to Obama is spinning the lie that the problem is with teachers or their status (news flash–everyone with more-than-half-brain already holds teachers in high esteem and the data about them being underpaid relative to other countries is based on mis-analyses and misinterpretations). Other bold-faced lies include that their unions job is to support the children and not them and that unions are the problem. Another typical Republican lie is also claimed which is that we can’t afford to spend money on the problem because I suppose we need the money for senseless wars and maintaining industries that destroy our environment and/or do not serve our society.
The truth verified by scientific research over the last 50 years and replicated across dozens of countries is of course completely ignored by the Obama in favor of supporting the Republican spin machine which is entirely responsible for the poor quality education in this country. Republicans have cut education at every opportunity and blocked programs that would have succeeded at every opportunity.
Not surprisingly, those informed about education are in agreement about what needs to be done and Arnie Duncan actually did mention some of it vaguely in his speech today but I suspect will not devote any money to what needs to be done even though I am sure he will correctly argue that the amount of money needed isn’t much. The truth is our entire educational system is obsolete. In particular, the way it is administered is inefficient and fragmented. Testing of students was better in Germany before World War I than it is in this country today. The purpose of testing is not to fire teachers, it’s to help teachers learn about the strengths and weakness of their students. A second component is Total Quality Management(TQM) which is the opposite of what the Republicans and Obama is proposing. Research showed that TQM worked in the 1940s and has been successfully applied to industries all over the world. It’s a proven fact that is works and of course the opposite of TQM is certain to have the opposite results. So there is actual scientific proof over a 70 year period that shows that Obama’s proposals will actually cause a decrease in the quality of education in this country which I suspect is what the Republicans want because their constituency has consistently scored lower than democrats on tests of critical thinking skills. A test that I am beginning to suspect that Obama could not pass. His naive is sooo Republican.
TQM argues that instead of firing teachers whose students have low scores, you take teachers whose students have high scores and ask them how they did it and ask them to help the teachers who have low scores. Third, and perhaps most importantly, teachers in the U.S. receive an extremely substandard education in teaching. Since the 1970s it was recognized that the jigsaw method and problem-based learning methods that are not taught to our teachers work significantly better than the teaching methods that are teachers learn about in their training. Arnie Duncan did acknowledge this fact because he actually knows what he’s talking about. He’s actually read the scientific literature on education. He even knows that 15 years ago, the American Medical Associated mandated that problem-based learning is the only teaching method that should be used in medical schools because other methods have proven to be inferior. If a technique that was developed for elementary schools is the only approach that is good enough for medical students, obviously it is also the only approach that is good enough for our children. That also may be the reason why other countries use it when teaching their students and why other countries children have higher test scores that our children. I’m glad that at least Arnie Duncan did not agree with lie when he was questioned about it. Hopefully, in the near future he can have a teachable moment with our President.
Where the money has been for some years now is special education, hence the increase in the numbers of students being classed as special education needs. Follow the numbers, money and students. You must have noticed the special ed campuses in your school system.
And just a word here about the teachers’ unions. Classic jealousy: if I can’t have it, neither can you. Americans should be agitating for employment conditions like teachers’ unions provide, there’s nothing outrageous about a fair employment deal, but instead their pinched minds have settled on impoverishing teachers. Let’s all huddle in the coal cellar and fight over moldy scraps.
Obama’s package of reforms is all market based. He wants to bring failed Wall Street practices into the class room.
The man is out of touch reality and his arguments are immune to fact.
And his Ed. Sec. is the worst one in history.
We need to block all this reforms: charter school expansion, merit pay and more standardized testing. All three have been disproven by research.
Spot on. Far worse than anything I would expect even from a Republican administration. It’s nice to see some light cast on these destructive “reforms,” which I believe are the most revealing example of and insight into Obama’s grim neoliberal ambitions.
Here’s an excellent article on the subject by Lois Weiner, “Think Globally, Privatize Locally: Public Education Is Under Attack Around the World”
It’s hard not to feel helpless and depressed…I haven’t seen such a widespread propaganda push (screw you, Arianna Huffington and Oprah) since the buildup to the Iraq war.
But here’s a inspirational passage/call to action from the above mentioned article:
Don’t know why I lost my formating on the last post, apologies for it’s hard to read state.