Marcy hit on something last night that I wanted to pick up on. I think most political observers agree that the struggling economy is driving the difficult election cycle for Democrats, but where this opinion veers off is whether you think the President has examined every option to reverse the slide. “He stopped a Depression,” supporters say. “The stimulus was too small,” detractors say. “He did the best he could with Congress,” supporters say. “He could have negotiated better,” detractors say.
All of this sidesteps the impact of millions of Americans losing their homes and going into foreclosure, which was not a predetermined scenario. As I’ve laid out pretty thoroughly, going all the way back to TARP, then-candidate Obama promised to use the necessary tools, like cramdown and a large loan modification program, to reset the housing market and keep borrowers in their homes. Not only did cramdown, one of the only ways to fix the mess, die, but the loan modification program put in its place has been abused by lenders and made the financial situation of many borrowers worse.
Now we’re learning that a healthy chunk of these foreclosures moving through the system are fraudulent, because in the go-go days of securitization, lenders would go to any lengths to create mortgages and push paper, leading to incomplete loan processing. Nobody really knows who owns a substantial number of properties in the US, and states have begun to step up for their residents and demand answers. There’s no question that this will move beyond Ally Financial/GMAC and become an industry-wide investigation.
This uncertainty has at its root a failure to fix the housing market. The Obama Administration had $50 billion in TARP money and every opportunity to bypass Congress and devise programs that would have kept people out of foreclosures, and thus not victims to foreclosure fraud. Even today, the Administration could follow the wishes of many lawmakers and devise strategies to allow Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to refinance all the mortgages they own, and use more of the HAMP fund as incentive payments.
At President Obama’s backyard meeting in New Mexico yesterday, somebody asks him about foreclosures, and as you’ll see he doesn’t even try to hide the scope of the problem, to his credit (with the exception of one paragraph, see if you can spot it):
Q: I work for the New Mexico VA health care system. My question is that, I think as an integral part of being Hispanic, being from here, home is very integral to that, and not only for Hispanics, for all New Mexicans, for all Americans. And yet I hear stories of my family members’ friends, veterans that I treat, of losing their homes due to this economy that we’ve been through or are going through. And I guess my question is, what are we doing to prevent people from losing their homes?
I know education is truly incredible — it moves people beyond what we can ever expect — but if we don’t have homes to go to, what good is the education?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, the housing crisis helped to trigger the financial crisis. And it’s a complicated story, but essentially what happened was, banks started seeing money in peddling what looked like these very low-interest-rate mortgages, no money down. Started peddling these things to folks. A lot of people didn’t read the fine print, where they had adjustable-rate mortgages or balloon payments, and they ended up being in situations where they were in homes that they couldn’t necessarily afford.
The banks made a whole bunch of money on all these mortgages that were being generated. But what happened was — is that when the housing market started going down, then all these financial instruments that were built on a steady stream of payments for mortgages, they all went bust, and that helped to trigger the entire crisis [...]
Now, this is a multitrillion-dollar market, so there’s no government program where we can just make sure that whoever is losing their home that we can just pick up the tab and make sure that they can pay. And frankly there are some people who really bought more home than they could afford, and they’d be better off renting, or they’re going to have to make adjustments in terms of their house.What we have tried to do, though, is to make sure that people who had been making their payments regularly, who are meeting their responsibilities, if they could have a little bit of an adjustment with the banks, if some of the principal was reduced, if some of the interest was reduced on their mortgage payment, they could keep on making payments. The bank would be better off than if the home was foreclosed on, obviously they’d be better off, and as the housing market starts picking back up again — which it will do over time, although not in the same trajectory as it used to, right; it’s going to be more much gradual — then potentially the bank could recoup some of the money that it had lost by making the adjustments on the mortgages.
So we’ve set up a number of these mortgage modification programs that are out there. But I don’t want to lie to you — we’ve probably had hundreds of thousands of people who’ve been helped by it. I think there have been a couple of million who’ve applied. But that doesn’t meet the entire need because this is such a huge housing market.
And what really is probably the most important thing I can do right now to keep people in their homes is to make sure the economy is growing so that they don’t feel job insecurity. That’s probably the thing that’s going to strengthen the housing market the most over the next couple of years. If we’ve got a growing economy, unemployment is gradually being reduced, then people are going to feel more confident; they’re going to be able to make their mortgage payments; new — homeowners, people who are potentially buyers of homes, are going to say, you know what, I don’t mind entering the market because I think things have sort of bottomed out — that starts lifting prices and that gets us on a virtuous cycle instead of a negative cycle.
But it’s going to take some time. We’re working our way out of overbuilding in the housing market, a lot of not very sensible financial arrangements in the housing market. And we’ve got to get back to sort of a traditional, more commonsense way of thinking about housing which is, if you want a house you got to save for a while. You got to wait until you have 20 percent down. You should go for a mortgage that you know you can afford. You’ve got to — there shouldn’t be any surprises out there, right? That kind of traditional thinking about saving and thinking about the house not as something that is always going up 20 percent every year and you’re going to flip and take out home equity loans and all that — we’ve got to have a different attitude, which reflects what you talked about, more of an attitude that this is your home. This is not just a way to make quick money.
The President admits that HAMP didn’t work, in fact that it came in helping a fraction – about 10% – of the borrowers promised. He also claims that in a multi-trillion dollar market, you can’t help everyone who needs help. This is untrue. Banks and borrowers actually both have an interest in keeping the home occupied, and under circumstances where the government actually facilitated solutions instead of hoping that the banks would come to them on their own, this could get fixed. Since unemployment will likely remain high at least for the next year, we’re in the negative cycle, and foreclosures – as well as people locked into their homes because they can’t move to find work – plays a role in that.
But the President and his economic team chose not to force those solutions. They chose not to do what’s necessary. And as a result, we still have a broken housing market, which will drag on recovery as long as it remains broken.
The millions of people trapped in this negative cycle may have other concerns on their mind than voting. They may place the blame on the President and the party in power for their troubles. They hold the fate of the election in their hands far more than a couple liberal bloggers.



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The administration also could have fixed the
bankruptcy laws (or at least made a big push to
do so).
HOUSING is THE issue where it was CLEAR that Hillary was the more ‘progressive’ candidate folks. Hillary proposed cramdowns. Hillary proposed HOLC!! See her WSJ op ed in 08. Hillary proposed a moratorium and freeze.
What did Obama propose? When even MCCAIN!! AGREED with Hillary’s HOLC proposal, Obama in a debate, said it would hurt the free market or some such thing.
yes big shock, the candidate who plays golf with UBS CEO who was funded by Credit Suisse, then nmbr 2 subprime lender in the US, was AGAINST cramdowns and HOLC.
So instead we have funnelled trillions thru big banks who are sitting on it.
Now why? b/c they would have to take a hit to HELOCS they hold when they write down the bad debt.
So they are hoarding cash.
QE2 is about to launch. more trillions to banks.
The country is DECIMATED by foreclosures.
why no consumer demand, which is 70% gdp? cuz even folks working SEE their prime asset, their home, declining in value as the foreclosures continue.
FAN FRED FHA GMAC all throwing families into the streets, no cramdowns with a SOLID MAJORITY.
disgraceful.
I know progs dont like Hill, but she had GUTS and was not afraid to FIGHT. She proposed HOLC, which would have addressed the underlying economic drag in its infancy.
Here we are trillions pixxed away families homeless, Obama does…NOTHING. He is in Geithners pocket.
pathetic.
Would she have been different in the end? We don’t know that. After all, she came from the same part of the party(DLC) as Obama.
Jane on my teebee right now.
Part of the problem is that govt is relying on the foxes to advertise the protection against foxes.
slightly off topic: I heard on the radio the vile McConnell rejecting a JOBS bill as a political stunt by dems.
Really? Dems trying to get votes by doing something for the electorate?
The best defense is to vote for the damn bill. Everyone would get credit for helping then! Gah! Same thing for passing adequate help for homedebtors.
These guys are so blinded by corporate $$$.
The problem is the economy for American people. Not Wall Street, not large Corps, but the American people. A mortgage payment cannot be made when the owner has NO JOB! I’m sick to death of blame on people that purchased a home bigger then they can afford. Not to mention, the buyer had people pushing and also legal representation in most cases!
Why can’t they just admit that the buyers were swindled and Wall Street bet against them because they knew they would lose their jobs!
The bill was offered in after hours congress. Blue Dogs and Lieberman voted it down. We can’t blame it all on repugs and their just say NO program.
By the way, what exactly is the “New Economy”? Where are the jobs at?
Expecting Obama to show any skill or desire at leadership is kinda like expecting a Komodo dragon to curl up on your lap and purr, instead of making you lunch. Neither one is gonna happen.
You mean the bankruptch law that Joe Biden pushed thru as senator, for his home state (Delaware) banking corporations? Yeah, like that was really gonna happen.
Thanks. I think I heard that bit too, but I was responding to McConnell’s BS about “political stunt”.
oops! I got carried away and forgot about the question. My response would be this paragraph:
“Now, this is a multitrillion-dollar market, so there’s no government program where we can just make sure that whoever is losing their home that we can just pick up the tab and make sure that they can pay. And frankly there are some people who really bought more home than they could afford, and they’d be better off renting, or they’re going to have to make adjustments in terms of their house.”
What happened to Predatory Lending Laws, SEC Laws, Title or Deed Recordings, and why could our Congress not legislate that a halt be placed on Foreclosures? Huh? Just why not?
“It’s Foreclosures, Stupid” is one of those ridiculous statements that try to posit a single cause for a complex event in a complex environment. The Democrats are in trouble for a number of reasons and most of those can be grouped under: behaving like Republicans: bailing out corporations, making failure to buy health insurance from corporations a fineable offense, continuing tax cut bonanzas for the wealthy, denigrating and threatening Social Security, asserting the right to murder American citizens without due process, continuing the policies of eternal war and torture, adding to unemployment by failing to create jobs, ballooning the Federal deficit by failing to create jobs, etc.
The Democrats are in trouble. The American people are in worse trouble because they’ve been taught the only way to punish the Democrats misbehavior is to vote for Republicans.
We always view things like Obama if he could, would fix the problem, we never ask the simple question maybe Obama does not want to fix the problem.
The movie Wall Street points this simple fact out. Corporations like Banks have one purpose to make money, nothing else! So they do what is profitable not right or betters human kind.
Follow the money, a few people are getting very rich in this current economy, and these people control Obama, because he let them control him.
Again I repeat a below average Democrat could have kept the GOP out of power for years!
All he had to do was route TARP funds through the borrowers. That would bring their mortgages down to market value and allow modifications based on sharply lower balances. If the government paid a bank for a toxic mortgage, does the bank have the right to pursue foreclosure? The answer is “yes” and with the exception of one state, Kansas, the courts are bending over backwards to ignore problems and foreclose. In Connecticut, for example, it didn’t matter that the foreclosing plaintiff didn’t have title to the mortgage since the mortgage follows the note. I doubt much in the way of foreclosure relief will come of any of this.
Thomas Ferguson laid a map of Massachusetts foreclosures over the voting patterns in the Brown/Coakley race and they correlated quite strongly:
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2010/04/14/declining-home-values-the-massachusetts-vote-and-the-gathering-storm/
The problem is that no one wants to address the negative equity which has to be dealt with at some point. It appears that those left holding the bag will be the investors who bought the phoney baloney notes and still solvent homeowners who will see the value of their real estate holdings continue to plummet as foreclosures invade every neighborhood in the country.(Home equity is the vast majority of the middle class “wealth” and savings).
I agree with jedimom@2 that Hillary was on the right track with using HOLC as a model, perhaps with some modern twists. HOLC dealt directly with the homeowners as opposed to the completely disfunctional HAMP program which helped very few since it had to go through disinterested mortgage servicers who got paid whether the mortgage was successfully renegotiated or not, at least this is my understanding for much of the program’s failure.
HAMP has actually hurt many because of the confusing and conflicting advice a lot of people who were seeking relief were given. I can’t tell you how many people have told me that they got different answers and advice for what should be the first, easiest question – do you have to already be behind on your mortgage or not in order to get assistance? Some people who were barely getting by, but getting by nonetheless and making the payments, were told to stop paying in order to get into the program, not realizing that if their application were denied, this would be cause for adding thousands and thousands of dollars to their tab in interest, penalities and fees.(There’s a whole other scandel for people to investigate as just another aspect of this giant scam – the horrific fees people were charged for things like “maintenance”, etc.)
I read President Obama’s comments and it sounded to me like he was saying, oh well, we tried, we’re turning our attention to employment right now, and then he goes on to give completely pointless advice for people who are facing crisis NOW – “we have to get back to commonsense, more traditional ways of looking at housing blah blah blah blah”. These banal observations, while true, don’t help anyone about to be thrown out on the streets.
My own suggestion is that the US set up a Bank of Negative Equity which will hold a second mortgage on every property where people are underwater and who want to refinance. Since BNE might be confused with Bank of New England the new Bank could be called BankGWTW – since that’s where the equity went.
Rewrite the original mortgages (IF you can figure out who actually holds it, a whole other issue)to current market value at todays very reasonable rates. Then, put the negative equity into a second note owed by the homeowner held by the US government ammortized at 1% over 50 or even 75 years – which should be fairly affordable. With my plan, the banks stay solvent, the people stay in their homes and the government might recoup a large percentage of their outlay over time. If people don’t want to go into this program, then they can just go through the current foreclosure mill and be done with the property. I think this program would only be attractive to people who actually want to stay in their homes for the long-term, not someone who purchased originally with the intent to flip.
But President Obama certainly doesn’t sound like he has the answers or even the energy to look for them. Tell him to tell Elizabeth Warren to stop worrying whether credit cards enclosures can be reduced from 10 pages to 3 and to turn her attention to this issue which is far more presssing.
The trouble with cramdowns or any other trick you people want to play is someone on the other end loses. And 99 times out of 100 the loser isn’t the company that originated the loans. It’s most likely to be an investor (some old retired guy) or, of course, it will be the government.
You people want to do an across the board re-do for everyone that bought too much house or refinanced too many times. When you’re a kid you can get a “start over” but when you become an adult you enter into adult obligations.
I’d say the same with changing the bankruptcy laws so all of you can go out and declare bankruptcy. I remember reading an article about a year ago focusing on students just getting out of college. They had a bunch of college loans and were upset they couldn’t just declare bankruptcy and get rid of the debt. Fine citizens these folks will make.
Of course you people always want to blame the lenders but we all know they were to blame in a small fraction of this mess.
That’s a pretty wild assertion.
That wasn’t going to happen…remember a bunch of Dems in the Senate voted with the GOP to make bankruptcy harder for ordinary Americans.
Both parties are corrupt to the core.
I see here an opportunity for the current administration, as well as the economy in general. The deeper we dig at this issue, it becomes more apparent that the legal chain of title on these homes was severed. Any foreclosing party must have legal standing to foreclose. Legal standing to foreclose includes ownership of the mortgage note as well as possession of the original mortgage note.
No original note, no foreclosure. (Original, properly assigned, legally transferred, etc. notes do not exist for the vast majority of the homes that were securitized between 2003-2008.) So…
Bank error in our favor. Uncle Sam can collect a windfall profit tax (payable over many years, if necessary) from homeowners who benefit from this fatal defect in title. And we would reclaim control of our economy from the crooks who are driving away with it.
This is not pie-in-the-sky thinking. This is doable. Force the banks to produce the notes. They can’t. We win.
Well, I was curious as to why the comment “Buck Up” I see here now. You people are a bunch of WHINERS. Nothing is ever right for you people. Nothing is good enough. There is always something to complain about. No matter what, you will complain… Reminds me of my 3 year old. Get a grip people, nothing is EVER black and white. And those of you who seem to know exactly how things should be/been handled, are nothing more than Monday morning quaterbacks. If you have the answers, why are you not the politicitans? HMMM?… Go ahead, gripe and groan. But stay home or vote for repubs???… HA, that will give you pessimists plenty to complain about in the coming years.
Jim White has a fresh cross-post waiting for us: Obama, Aides Should Stay Away From LBJ Comparisons
A couple of things are desperately needed.
Cramdown must be instituted. The houses were never worth what the predatory lenders stated they were. The solution is to set the house prices back to their true value. Cramdown was stopped if I recall by House Blue Dog Democrats.
Second, stop the fraud. Why is the moral crisis the older woman who refinanced her mortgage in order to pay her air conditioning and medical bills upon being widowed ? Why aren’t the banks, who do not own the mortgages because they sold them into the securitization process, the moral villians? If you cheat and come into court with unclean hands you do not get the relief from the courts. If you are trying to foreclose on a home by cheating, by creating fraudulent documents, then you don’t get foreclosure. If enough of those are stopped (and believe me, every file I have has fraud, ) with sanctions, the Banks will be forced to start to modify the basically worthless paper they own.
If the Bank fraud in foreclosures is not stopped (Elizabeth Warren and Eric Holder are you listening???) then no title to a home is going to be a safe title.
BTW HAMP was the alleged solution when Banks and the Blue Dogs fought against cramdown. Since HAMP isn’t working and hasn’t worked why not try cramdown?
These things can be accomplished, unless your constituency are the Banks and not the voters. If you want Bank donations for your elections for the rest of your life than I guess you’ll continue to look the other way and insist that people were stupid and did not read the fine print and it all happened coincidentally at the same time by all these individual borrowers and that’s what caused a $13 trillion dollar crisis.
reeldem, you are so correct.
The truth is the concept of “shifting the blame” is central to each and every progressive. Being a progressive means never having to say you’re sorry…because being a progressive means you’ve never done anything wrong in your entire adult life.
There’s always someone else to blame….the wealthy, Wall Street, the Republicans, FEMA, sunspots, well you get the picture.
The problem is most progressives have been failures in life (and I’m not trying to be mean) so they have given up and rolled over. They want big government to take care of them from birth to death.
“The houses were never worth what the predatory lenders stated they were.”
Easy to say after the fact.
As for “predatory lenders” that’s getting very old…and lame.
There’s negative equity if the homes were/are worth what the predatory lenders said they were. They weren’t. Come to small town Florida where people were told their cracker homes worth $70,000 on a good day were worth $230,000.00. They were also told that they could easily refinance that adjustable rate mortgage in a year if they could not afford the $2200.00 a month payments.
A contract based on fraud is voidable from the start. The Banks own worthless paper. Do not cry for them or the “investors” (Goldman Sachs, hedge funds etc., ) whatsoever. They got their money in TARP and they are just doing alright.
Thank you for permitting me to gripe and groan. But perhaps Obama will decide that griping about criminal wars is material assistance to terrorism. Then I would be in big trouble with our neo-con secret police/torturers.
But you are a liar if you accuse anyone at this site of discouraging voting. It is Obama and Rahmbo who are deliberately suppressing the vote so they can triangulate with corporatists. Plus they can have more wars with R bipartisanship. You defenders of a failed Administration always ignore these are criminal wars that violate international law.
Similar to the Bushies we have the White House talking points where everyone except the “centrists” get blamed. But this script is getting old. We heard the same thing when Rahm lost VA’s Governor and Ted Kennedy’s Senate seat. Rahm did a fine job of suppressing the base then.
Interesting discussion. Obama tries to implement cramdown or adjust mortgages…but the bank either can’t or won’t for several reasons. Securitized debt obligations were sold based on the existing mortagage agreements to multiple investors. The question who holds ownership clouds the title search that is required to rewrite the notes.
The banks are not interested in marking down these assests which are a gambling tool for the larger shadow banking Credit Default swaps or bets on whether or not they will perform as agreed. the bets are 12 times the global GDP=$600 trillion.
The Feds and treasury are playing the investor side of the equation with cor[porate welfare to cover their balance sheets which is less oainful for the banks holding this paper. As long as that solution is in place the year long inventory of property for sale remains, housing prices will continue dropping and more households will be under water.
The construction industry leads the economy out of recession so it has to see less housing on the market before it invest…not going to happen in a down market. So the job creation is a myth anf the “Jobless Recovery” makes Wall Street look good but unemployment remains high.
Since government id funded by a percent of GDP State and Local funding is shrinking below amounts to maintain basic services. More jobs are cut.
A second and larger stimulus is needed to start consumer spending. That means getting dollars in the hands of consumers.
This is the most critical issue to most Americans “…it’s the economy stupid.”
This is bullshit! Obama intentionally misstated the problem by blaming the victim home buyers for swallowing the fraudulent pitch about the affordability of loans hook, line, and sinker. Yes, just like many voters in 2008, they heard what they so badly wanted to hear and got screwed as a result, but that is how professional con artists work and no one knows that better than Obama. The lenders paid people to sell the loans to home buyers and then they turned around and sold the loans as quickly as possible because they knew most of the buyers were going to default eventually. They didn’t care because they made their money selling the loans.
Obama may have fooled himself into believing that the lenders are only guilty of being good businessmen because, after all, they only did what he does all the time and he doesn’t want to admit that he’s a crook. I call that shallow self-deception and this, together with his willful refusal to prosecute the wrongdoers for their fraudulent loan practices and provide actual relief to their victims, are three more reasons why for the good of the country, we must
DUMP OBAMA!
I think you are delusional.
Let the buyer beware.
Is and always has been nothing more or less than a license to commit fraud, as well as a violation of the Golden Rule. “Neener, neener. Got’cha!” serves no beneficial societal purpose and should have been abolished by the common law no later than the end of the 19th century.
Thank you, David Dayan, your post on the foreclosure mess has been very informative for me. And I am one of the people mad as hell at the Democrats. I’ve voted no questions asked for 35 years for dems. President Obama’s Cat Food Commission and his “extend and pretend” program are my two biggest reasons. FDR is rolling over.
With you.
How is the buyer to know that the loan broker is incentivized to push loans with higher interest rates and suppress information about more affordable loans?
Believe me, I am not crying for the banks who perpetuated mortgage frauds on many people by approving and giving them mortgages that were ridiculous on their face and then selling off this flimsy paper in order to rip off a whole other group of people. But, the investors are not confined to Goldman Sachs, etc. but are also comprised of completely innocent bystanders who thought they were buying AAA mortgage bonds. Pension funds, mutual funds, municipalites, foreign countries, etc all bought these investment vehicles based on believing they were as sound as they purported to be. I think there will be a slew of class action suits brought against the banking and mortgage entities and the ratings agencies for making and selling these mortgages and then bundling them into combustable investment kindling.
BUT there is a whole other class of foreclosure that is contributing to evaporating equity for everyone – unemployment. People who rationally bought homes that they could afford as long as they remained employed. Many people in that category are now losing their homes. Lots of other people are trapped in homes they can’t afford and can’t sell due to being underwater.
I want to punish the banks and other financial entities and fine them heavily and perhaps see some people jailed for their transgressions. I would like to see them put under new management. I would like to see clawback on illgotten salaries, gains and bonuses. But, despite all that I would still like to retain a solvent banking system and that is why I think someone somewhere somehow has to deal with the elephant in the room which is the negative equity which could be the tsunami that sweeps every single thing away in its wash.
I mentioned in my post that real estate equity makes up the vast majority of the assets of the lower and middle classes with many people counting on that nest egg to be the major provider of their retirement. They have already seen their 401Ks tank into nothingness, now real estate follows? What and how are these folks supposed to survive a 20 year or more retirement? And isn’t it amazing that it is in circumstances like this that the idiotic Catfood Commission is discussing ways to reduce benefits?
I don’t believe that the conspiracy to steal the $2.4 trillion in social security, AKA Obama’s Catfood Commission, is amazing, a coincidence, or an amazing coincidence. Nope. I believe it’s part of a deliberate and systematic criminal scheme to use war to steal all of the valuable natural resources in the world and introduce social darwinism with the first absolutely unregulated free market where anything goes and no one ever is charged with a crime, no matter what they do. The following objectives are necessary parts of this unsavory plan:
(1) privatize public education and privatize as much of the federal government as possible;
(2) eliminate the middle class and the labor movement; and
(3) shred every last remnant of the safety net, particularly social security.
Behold the imperial kleptocracy!
EDIT: I forgot to mention another important goal, which is to end unemployment compensation while continuing to shed jobs in order to institute debt slavery.
Then you must work for a bank.
Don’t feed the troll.
Great analogy. Nice going. Mind if I steal that one from time to time?
I’ll be the first to admit that my views are more extreme than the views of many people here at the lake, I hope I’m wrong and Obama is just a narcissist stumbling along with hayseed falling out of the cuffs of his pants. However, I fear that my simple explanation for the sea of insanity in which we find ourselves lost and adrift is the only solution that fits the depressing facts. Alternatively, I hope the Obama-is-stupid-and-ineffective theory is true.
Everything looks and feels to me like we’re being subjected to the Shock Doctrine and Disaster Capitalism and I increasingly feel that the only way to escape a terrible fate is by revolution. For me the only question is whether it will be violent or non-violent. Obviously, I prefer the latter.
But, I wonder . . .
Quite right. Everything is going according to plan. Everything, that is, except the part about Obama not getting blamed. He thought he could soar above the fray, untouched by any shrapnel, because we would all continue to love him nearly as much as he loves himself.
David — You have to realize that Obama doesn’t give a shit about the people, never did, and never will. He hates us, because we remind him of his humble beginnings.
You would be correct on all counts.
The difference with Hillary is she was cutting her teeth during the Nixon impeachment hearings and has been a Dem for a very long time. Obama… more an opportunist I feel, as evidenced by his run to try and take liberal Bobby Rush’s House seat in ’99. He was ass-spanked 2-1 on that and did a rethink. He fell into the Senate seat in 2004 after the Republican’s imploded with the two Ryan’s scandals (7of9 and the sex clubs and the governor selling truck licenses). The Dems also burnt out the front runners and Barak was in. Then Bush fatigue and a chance to go for the gold…
I do not know how Hillary would have been, but at this point I am willing to give her a try… Could not be worse.
Interesting set of responses to this topic. FDL does seem to be channeling some angry Progressives on this one. I wonder why the tone seems so markedly toward ‘assigning blame’ rather than exploring methods to improve the admin on the topic.
angry? You betcha! What would you suggest to “improve the admin on the topic”? Christ, if they don’t get it by now, it’s because they don’t want too.
They believe we are scum and they treat us like scum. “Exploring methods to improve the administration on [any] topic,” is a total waste of energy, effort, and time because Obama is doing exactly what he wants to do.