House and Senate liberals expressed their desire on a conference call that they would vote against any set of recommendations from the Cat Food Commission if they included benefit cuts to Social Security. That included any increases to the retirement age or privatization.
“[D]o not send Congress a plan that cuts Social Security benefits, raise the retirement age, or privatizes Social Security,” Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) warned Thursday on a conference call. “If you do, we’ll vote it down.” [...]
“This isn’t just a political exercise,” said Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio), who argued that working class citizens couldn’t reasonably survive an older retirement age.
“This is something that I hope the Obama administration will join with us,” added Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.), the House Judiciary Committee chairman. “I think that that commission with all due respect to all of them should keep their paws off this subject matter.”
Sanders reiterated this in an op-ed in The Nation.
The coalition that held the call, known as Strengthen Social Security, Don’t Cut It, asserted that they were up to 105 House pledges and 12 Senate pledges to vote against the Cat Food Commission’s recommendations, with more coming.
But those numbers aren’t going to really cut it. I think it’s useful to have over 100 House Democrats pledging this, and even more making it an issue in their campaigns, making it harder to turn around in a lame-duck session and vote the other way. But realistically, if Republicans sign on to the recommendations, just a sliver of Democrats would be needed to pass this. And the House has already agreed to a vote on the recommendations (though that was not a binding resolution).
This is why the looming gridlock on the panel is so important:
Get this: Republicans on the Deficit Commission aren’t just refusing to consider any tax increases. Now they’re proposing tax decreases designed to help the rich, while taking benefits from everyone else. Dealing with people like that is like negotiating with somebody who’s high on drugs [...]
You read that right: “Deficit” commissioners who won’t allow any new tax revenues. Oh, they’d cut benefits for the elderly, alright, but they’d use the money to reduce corporate taxes – and capital gains taxes, too. That will make the deficit worse and it will widen income disparity, further enriching the wealthy by cutting benefits that lower and middle-income people paid taxes to provide all their lives. That’s what passes for fiscal sanity in the econo-millenarian saucer cult the Republican Party has become. And that’s how a nation that’s already radically redistributed its wealth upward could do it even more.
Basically, Republicans are trying for a maximalist strategy to get every single thing they want out of this deficit commission. A couple collaborationist Democrats on the panel may go along with them. The key outreach should be to the members of the panel who can be held accountable by voters – the six Congressional representatives (Becerra, Schakowsky, Spratt, Durbin, Baucus and Conrad). Spratt is in a tough re-election battle this year. Durbin might want to move up in the Congressional leadership. Baucus could get a primary challenger. If enough of them reject this stick-up from the Republicans, the commission will not have the consensus to move forward. Just insisting on a couple tax increases in the recommendations will probably be enough to stop the Republicans from cooperating at all and blowing the whole thing up. Heck, I could see plenty of Republicans objecting to cuts to earmarks and pork-barrel spending.
I think gridlock is the ally at this point.
UPDATE: The full list of signers is here.



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A mere 105 Democrats. Looks like gridlock on the Commission is the best we can hope for.
Why aren’t we seeing blanketed ads pointing out that Repubs want to cut SS benefits to the elderly, and use the money to cut taxes for coroporations?
I feel the need for a comment on how appallingly heartless these people are, but I’m at a loss for words…..
Maybe we aren’t pointing this out because it’s the Dems who want to gut Social Security just as much as the Repugs. After all, it was Dem President Pinocchio who created the commission and stacked it with dedicated SS foes like Alice Rivlin, Erskine Bowles, etc.
Face it: the GOP isn’t the real enemy here, it’s Obama and the damn corporatist Dems.
I guess we’ll see whether there are enough Democratic senators who still have enough integrity to filibuster this bill, if it contains Social Security cuts, like the Republicans have done on every single occasion.
Well yeah! time will tell.We will see soon enough if this is the usual bullshit from so call progressive congress….er corporate congressional members.
Well said Victortruex.Let’s face it,the Prez is no Democrat…he is trying to dismantle a signature of the Democratic party.
How shameful.
Yep. A fact not lost on bunches of folks: “Word!,” by Sean Kelley, Sept. 29, 2010
More and More Real Dems daily are coming to this realization Daily!
Sure. Just like the letter swearing not to vote for HCR without a public option. Zero credibility.
How funny! I just got accused of being a right winger on the previous thread! That has to be (wrong) comment of the day.
My guess is we’ll see some more progressive smoke and mirrors from Obamco after Nov. because he needs to start the re-election campaign. What is it, General Election campaigns are what, 18-24 months long now? We may even get a bone or two thrown our way like DADT w/in 6 months to rally the troops so we can man the phone banks, but nothing of any real significance will be attempted, unless it’s kabuki.
President 70% will have his new found Repub majority around as a useful foil to keep anything truly trans-formative from occurring…unless he Catfoods Social Security.
I see all this movement of personnel as simply gearing up for 2012 re-election mode, and will be just as effective as re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
I do hope you’re right that the Libs and Progressives in Congress who survive the mid-terms (most should because their districts are safer than the Blue Dogs) actually keep a pledge for once…but I ain’t holding my breath.
Congressional pledges and the like have lost their value – particularly when made by Democrats – after the Public Option pledge fiasco. We’ve already heard all sorts of excuses to get out of pledges, fierce advocacy, etc.
crap…i meant to post this on another thread…my apologies to everyone for being such a boob…i need to go home
I want to know, we should insist to know which 12 Senators have pledged to protect SS. Perhaps Sanders could tell us?
It makes no difference….they will fold like cheap blankets.
From here at Dkos:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/9/30/906648/-Twelve-Senators,-104-House-members-vow-to-vote-against-Social-Security-cuts
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont)
Sen. Daniel Akaka (D-Hawaii)
Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif),
Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio),
Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wis.),
Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y),
Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa)
Sen. Dan Inouye (D-Hawaii),
Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.),
Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D-Md.)
Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.),
Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.).
I’d like to see the list of Representatives. I’ve got a Rep and a Senator up for re-election, if their name is not on this list, they do not get my vote. Both are Dems and both can probably sign the list and welsh later on. This should be a no brainer for every Dem out there. But so far, they’re not getting my vote.
Good on ya GlenJo.but experience tells me these people will fold.
We will see.
What if “Social Security” where somehow used to fund the development of clean efficient energy production, transmission and use. Necessity being the mother invention, clearly the return on investment would be considerable in many ways;
1)Power demands will alway increase as a population grows.
2)Lower energy cost, should in theory, lower all cost
3)Job Creation and real value based economic growth
4)Increased tax revenue
5)Money saved reallocated for Education Healthcare
6)Increased manufacturing
7)Uniformed predictable energy cost provide a source of revenue to fund grow Social Security in addiction to increased tax revenue from job growth.
8) The necessity of “energy” reinforces and protects “Social Security”
People need “energy” and “money” to retire on. People need jobs. The government needs revenue. America needs to reestablish its manufacturing base. Lowered per capita “energy costs” is the key. America’s WWII effort saved the world and pulled a nation out of depression into a superpower! We need a “War on Energy!”
America needs direction and leadership. America needs to understand why. The answer is simple. In our known physical world, life adapts or it dies. Since man’s inception, conflict, war, has driven technological innovation. We have a model to follow. A proven model. America has to decide who the real enemy is. Intelligent people know life’s war is and has always been from the primordial goop to man, the need to find, store, and efficiently use that stored energy to sustain life. In life’s war with “energy,” life’s perpetuation requires adaptation, otherwise, extinction. I have a plan! Think it out? Would you listen? Lets do what Americans do…. Solve problems! Goodnight!
The economy is currently on Bernanke’s life support. Come December, the whole environment will change completely. The sky will start falling, and we’ll be asked to give up much more than some ‘little tweaks’ in SS. That’s what the EU tells me.
Me thinks, we’re looking at a revolutionary environment, so it’s anyones guess, as to how things will shake out.
Sure they will, but right now I want them to just do this to get my vote.
You cannot be serious!
Obama created his Catfood Commission to slash, if not eliminate social security, a high priority goal for him according to what he told the Hamilton Project in a speech in 2006. The people he appointed to serve on the commission all hate social security and billionaire Pete Peterson, who has spent a lifetime trying to destroy social security, is underwriting the commission’s work. We can also thank Obama for selecting former Wyoming Republican Senator Alan Simpson to serve as co-chair of the commission along with Bowls Erskine, or is it Erskine Bowles. Both of them hate social security. Therefore, no one can reasonably dispute the objective President Pinocchio has in mind.
The arrogant in-your-face audacity of a democratic president creating a commission to meet in secret to come up with a plausible justification to gut social security in the name of cutting the deficit, which is the only source of income for most seniors who have watched their home equity evaporate along with their retirement accounts during a fucking depression with massive unemployment not seen since the 1930s, for Christ’s sake, is absolutely mind-bogglingly cruel and stupid. As if that weren’t enough insanity, now we find out that the Repuglicans also want to trim the deficit with more tax cuts for the obscenely rich and pay for those tax cuts with the cuts in social security.
And to top those WTFs, only 100 democrats are willing to publicly oppose this craziness?
Seriously, you can’t make this shit up.
These people can run, but they can’t hide from their hard earned Darwin awards.
Unless they’re planning on moving to Mars in the near future.
Use your brain……..
How about we tax the top 2% at 90% and use that to fund your scheme?
A) “What if “Social Security” where somehow used to fund the development…”
B) “8) The necessity of “energy” reinforces and protects “Social Security”
Destroy the village to save it? – You use your’s…
Ridiculous idea since social security is the only income for many seniors and insufficient at that.
The obscenely rich have all the money and all the wealth. They need to pay taxes and if they refuse, lock them up forever and nationalize their assets.
Beats the hell out of raiding the trust fund for more war.
do you have a link to the Hamilton Project speech?
Here’s one here. It turns out that basically Obama’s whole economic team (including Obama personally calling out Gruber) is from the Hamilton Project.
If the Democrats won’t stand in the way of cuts to Social Security – a sacred National Generational Trust passed from one generation to the next – then there really is nothing they won’t sacrifice to look more like Republicans.
There really will be no bedrock issue that Americans can say – “At least the Democrats will never allow a cut to Social Security!” Once the Democrats show they are willing to deal away Social Security, they will have lost the trust.
There really would be no issue or principal that they could be depended on to preserve.
Americans know when they are being sold out – the Democrats, if they go down that road – will suffer the brunt of that scorn. And will have earned it.
But you need to use a Hamiltonian decoder ring to understand what he’s telling his base.
I distrust DU links if I am looking for facts – I like FDL links -
The Obama speech is discussed at http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/17981 but that was a free trade speech – as far as I can tell SS was not mentioned, but I no longer have access to Lexis/Nexis for quality searching so I can’t be certain he did not push SS “reform”.
Peter Orszag and Jason Furman (directors of the project) trained a team, and created an agenda, but Obama seems to be now decreasing Rubin’s influence, albeit much too late.
As to the WP editorial, I am having a bad night trying to find a current WP editorial on SS (the link is to an editorial that does not mention SS).
In any case the lack of a WP discussion on raising or ending the wage cap is a give away for a screw the seniors attitude.
Only issue with Social Security is that huge chunk of economy is not in Wall Street Control. If so then it is trivial to create Depression just by tanking the market. We saw in May 2010 how easy it has become to tank the market. Once Depression sets in Government is literally brought to its knees to allow anything demanded.
Just with Repeal of Glass-Steagall we saw a huge bailout bonanza just because commercial and investment money is mixed up and Government had to bring in the bailout dollars to keep Public losing their supposedly lost deposits. Imagine the situation in a social security less environment.
Right now seniors with regular receipts of social security dollars rain or shine support lot of neighbourhood economy and on top of that it is their savings. That is why America will never have Depression as long as Social Security is present. Right now rest of the main-street is simply broke if one takes into account fallen home prices. Wall Street has no business in meddling with Social Security but every administration wall street lobbyists demand the tweaks either to reduce its foot-print (a.k.a. reduce economic impact) or potency (a.k.a means testing reducing dollars at play) since that it is the only way they can get to gut this moral and self-paid system.
Next congress whichever party is in control first order of business should be bringing back Glass-Steagall Act Verbatim if they are serious about ending next bailout bonanza after 5 to 6 years and Republicans should be told about perils to their own businesses and their children and constituents future if they work on any tweaks with Social Security and also get outside of tribalism stuff that social security gets Democrats votes. Democrats might get votes because of social security since I started voting Democratic only because of this concept coming from this party but still it helps every American and keeps America safe from Depression.
Rubin’s influence is no longer required, – the Wall Street heist has been pulled off successfully.
O is an avowed Friedmanite. The Washington Consensus (having failed in Latin America) is now going to be applied domestically. Good morning Third World America!
What does depression have to do with SS?, and please – less screaming.
Blow.
It.
Up.
Catfood everywhere.
Well, lemme see:
Boxer, Gillibrand, and Feingold are all fighting for their electoral lives, so that accounts for their worthless pledges.
In addition, all 12 of these fucktard bastards folded on HCR.
It is to answer a question of why wall street bankers keep on hammering at social security.
Right now social security contributions top of around $106,000 initial income and they might pay $7000 per annum. It is a trivial amount to people making more than $100 million per year and who can afford $30,000 a plate dinner. So why this Ahab like obsession in Moby Dick on this Social Security for decades and decades when it does not even pinch them a bit or take money they do not even notice. The issue is market cannot be pulled into Depression as it happened in late 1920s because of Social Security. If it is in Depression there are huge advantages to reap to anyone in the wall street if they are able to hold on to their money in time before market tanks.
Why we did not have great depression right now. Why the unemployement did not cascade to cover the whole society. It is only because of social security primarily.
This alone is enough reason for me to vote republican (hoping for gridlock and lots of vetoes) instead of just staying home.
Republicans will do worse. Vote Green if you can.
I am SOOOOOOOOO sick of these lying, pathetic, sack of shit scum.
The Liebermans and Conrads and Stu-pid-paks can stop everything and anything, AND
what do you think these pathetic sacks of shit are going to stop?
ha ha ha.
Rahm the slimeball, and his replacement, are LAUGHING at these pathetics – at least they could print their outrage on Charmin so I could wipe my ass with it.
rmm.
and where in hell is the Tea Party?
I’m sure the commission has nothing to worry about. At the end of the day, the liberal congresspeople will emulate Dennis Kuchinich – saying how much they disagree with the commission but whipping for the bill.
Our spineless ‘representatives’ can be relied upon every time to talk Democratic and vote Republican.
How many of these liberal legislators refused to vote for HCR without a public option?
Here’s the youtube of that 2006 Hamilton project speech. To me it seems a split between Mason and Papau’s differing statements on the issue.
This was Obama’s 2006 pitch to Robert Rubin in the lead up to his presidential run. The message seems clear enough to me. New Deal programs like Social Security are on the table if you support my run for President.
Obama is a confirmed, self-described “New Democrat”. So these actions are congruent with those values and priorities–support for free trade, a muscular foreign policy, “pro-growth”, anti-union, pro-corporation, belief in markets, pro-NAFTA…
please keep adding to the list.
Jane,
Below is a partial transcript of Obama’s eight-minute speech at the opening meeting of the Hamilton Project in April, 2006. I italicized the portions that led me to say in my comment @20 that Obama told the group that he favored slashing, if not eliminating social security. I was relying on my memory when I wrote my comment.
Now that I’ve listened to his speech and reviewed the transcript, I’m going to amend my comment to note that, although he didn’t specifically say social security should be eliminated or slashed, his remarks left no doubt that he believed in globalization and free markets and no longer regarded social security to be a sacred cow. He said,
“the coming baby boomers’ retirement will only add to the challenges that we face in this new era,” that “too many of us have been interested in defending programs the way they were written in 1938,” and “there is a broad consensus out there in the Country that we should be looking for common sense, practical solutions to the problems that we face.”
Given the context of the group to whom he was speaking and why he was invited to speak to them, I have no doubt that he wanted them to know that all options regarding social security were on the table.
Here’s the more complete version with the portions that I italicized.
Links to his speech and the transcript have already been provided by spanishinquisition @ 27 and captjjyossarian@ 43. For ease of reference, I have included the video here and the transcript here.
Also, papau @30 linked to this seminal dairy about Obama’s speech by fflambeau on December 7, 2009. That diary also has links to pieces by David Sirota and FDL firepup Kirk James Murphy, M.D.
Of course, a big problem with Obama is his deliberate pattern of excluding his skin from the game by hovering above the field of battle ingratiating himself with his audience and saying things like change is necessary and he’s open to this and that and nothing is off the table, blah-blah-blah, zis-boom-bah! He’s terrified to commit to anything specific because then he might be criticized (gasp!).
Therefore, we cannot underestimate the significance of Obama telling the free market neoliberal members of the Hamilton Project that he’s one of them in spirit and that he no longer believes that 1938 FDR social programs are sacred cows (an obvious reference to social security) given globalization and the practical needs and exigencies of the 21st century. That was a pretty shocking thing for a Democrat to say in April, 2006, particularly a Democrat who, in a little over two years, would be elected president.
excellent comments -
My devil’s advocate reading of “1938″ is that it is reference to WPA and CCC programs – direct government hire (I like direct government hire as it did well in the 30′s and put bread on the table of a lot of homes). I did not get the SS reference since all the changes in SS in the 50′s, 60′s, and 70′s as it was expanded to cover more types of jobs since 38 makes making a reference to protecting it as it was in 38 an illogical comment.
That said I am convince that Obama will sign off on an increase in retirement age that begins around 2030 (indeed if you take a conservative view that the gov signed on to only a 12 year pension in 1940, you can talk yourself into an age 69 or 70 phased to be fully effective in 2060). I suspect that Obama will go much farther – and suspect tha he does not give a damn about removing the wage cap. And the GOP protect the rich from paying back the funding taken from Social Security for the Bush tax cut for the rich may move Obama into a rapid age increase and “indexing” changes so as to cut benefits now such that fewer bonds need to be resold to China when the SS Trust redeems them.
You may be right. You certainly make a good point regarding social security that I hadn’t considered. On the other hand, he might have been making a veiled reference to social security since his speech was being videotaped. He likes to leave himself escape routes, if confronted later.
I believe the manner in which he set up the Catfood Commission, the people he selected to serve on it, and selecting Simpson to co-chair it constitute far more persuasive evidence of his intent.
I think we can agree that whatever he winds up doing it will be devious, right?
Heh.
Maybe James wants to have older people hurry up and die, and thus they use less carbon based energy. Yeah, that’s the ticket. Save on Medicare as well. Let them starve and freeze to death.
Where’d this guy develop his ethics?
Connie Schultz wrote a column which appeared in the Sept. 1, 2010, Parade insert that seems to me to be arguing strongly against raising the age of full SocSec: The Place My Father Didn’t Want Me to See.
It’s about the effects of hard physical labor on a person’s body and health.
My beloved and respected auto mechanic is feeling the effect of years of applying torque to stuck and rusted auto and truck parts, often at uncomforable angles, holding heavy parts in place while securing them, bending over, kneeling down, sliding under cars, breathing all the fumes that come from the combustion engine…. Last time I saw him he was hitting the Aleve or some OTC pain pills for pain in his elbows. Which has joined the pain in his back and neck. And felt fury at these DC pols and their cavalier attitude toward those who do physical labor.
When I hear these desk jockeys smugly talking about how easy it is to work to 70, I’d like to see them tossed into a grease pit for a few weeks or months — better yet, for years…. Or under the bus….