Paul Krugman rightly gives Chris Christie hell for dropping out of the Hudson River rail tunnel project, the largest infrastructure project in the country. He explains that this is probably the worst possible time to cancel infrastructure projects, with unemployment in crisis and job growth stagnant. From not only a jobs standpoint but an economic development standpoint, this was a pathetically bad decision.
With almost 1,200 people per square mile, New Jersey is the most densely populated state in America, more densely populated than any major European nation. Add in the fact that many residents work in New York, and you have a state that can’t function without adequate public transportation. There just isn’t enough space for everyone to drive to work.
But right now there’s just one century-old rail tunnel linking New Jersey and New York — and it’s running close to capacity. The need for another tunnel couldn’t be more obvious.
So last year the project began. Of the $8.7 billion in planned funding, less than a third was to come from the State of New Jersey; the rest would come, in roughly equal amounts, from the independent Port Authority of New York and New Jersey and from the federal government. Even if costs were to rise substantially, as they often do on big projects, it was a very good deal for the state.
But Mr. Christie killed it anyway.
Krugman adds that Christie basically did this so he could avoid raising New Jersey’s low gas taxes, and shift the Hudson rail tunnel money into their highway fund account. But really, he was engaging in the same neo-Hooverist behavior that we’ve seen in states all over the country, which has basically cancelled out the federal stimulus at this point. We saw this in the jobs numbers – all the private employment was offset by public-sector cuts. The loss of the tunnel simply recapitulates this unbelievably short-sighted and counter-productive approach to governing.
And by the way, there’s not a dime’s worth of difference on this front between Paul Krugman’s opinion and Larry Summers’ opinion:
Summers calls for infrastructure spending, by Alan Rappeport, FT: Larry Summers … said the US must ramp up spending on domestic infrastructure to drive the economic recovery. …Mr Summers called it a “short-term imperative and a long-term macroeconomic imperative” that the US government increase infrastructure investment. He said that a combination of low borrowing costs, cheap building costs and high levels of unemployment in the construction sector made this the ideal time to rebuild roads, bridges and airports. …
Acknowledging resistance to government spending at a time of high deficits, Mr Summers said that public support for investment demand needed to grow and said that the US needed focus on technology that creates new opportunities as “productive investment.” He said that the Obama administration would concentrate its efforts on technology that reduces healthcare costs and improves energy efficiency. …
“Roads, bridges and airports” comes from the front-loaded infrastructure bank spending proposed by the President in September, but certainly this rail tunnel would be seen in the same context. And that’s not all. There are water systems, and health IT, and a smart energy grid, and weatherizing homes and schools and public buildings, and any number of other infrastructure projects we need to undertake. But the current prevailing political ideology would rather stunt economic growth and ruin America’s future.



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Fasten your seat belts everybody the Teabastards are going to take us into Economic Hell! Our Rethuglican hack Christys act is just a portent of the things to come if the Teathuglicans take control. No matter how bad Obama and the Dems are things will get a lot worse if we all dont work to get out the Vote.
Feingold debates teabagger Ron Johnson on WI Public TV tonight at 8:00 PM CST.
Have not been able to find a way to link via net for the live TV broadcast, but WPR is scheduled to be live-streaming audio of the debate.
Check the link and schedules if interested.
I mistakenly said on an earlier post that the American Society of Civil Engineers have estimated that 1 trillion dollars is needed to address infrastructure repair and maintenance alone. That does not include transformative infrastructure like high speed rail or green energy. The actual figure is 2 trillion. O has merely made a gesture and even a “gesture” is too much for teabaggers, Republicans and their fellow travelers.
Well, NJ voters elect this Jabba the Hut lookin’ rehtugliecant Christie and now they are seeing what they elected…A do nothing, stand still or move backwards Teatard in a suit.
The only thing missing from this moron is a constant bleating and braying in public about how much he loves the baby jeezuz and “free-dumb”. Nice job New Jersey, nice job…
If the Republicans gain the House Obama may well be the last President of the United States. It would seem that the nation in voting the Republicans back in would an unconscious death wish.
Just proves my point that the electorate are by and large morons. A nation of morons cannot long endure.
Posted earlier on BT thread;
I wonder if that corpulent bloodsucker christy uses the Port Authority bridges and tunnels that past TAXPAYERS sacrificed for for his use and enjoyment.
Bloodsucking prick, does anyone have a picture of christy after swimming the Hudson to avoid using the public bridges and tunnels or is he just another an asswad republican hypocrite?
Reminder:
On the social front we have a left right divide. On the economic one it is secular class warfare. It has been so since Raegan, with Clinton thus far having done the greatest legislative damage. So, wake the fuck up, and desist from getting distracted by the shell game. Fuck Krugman and Summers.
Once again we seem to be forgetting the ever-present GOP mantra:
“F*&k You, I got mine!” (from dad’s connections or money, no doubt)
The blood sucking pricks were in the Clinton Administration. The blame re. what America is experiencing now can be laid squarely on the Neoliberal Democrats.
It’s not the GOP!!! Get off the team spirit train and use your God given brain!
I live in New Jersey and can’t stand Chris Christie. I campaigned for Corzine.
There is another point to make here, however. The federal government can, and should, do something to help state and local governments. Many have balanced budget provisions and unemployment and the foreclosure crisis have decimated local and state revenues. People who are unemployed, underemployed or fearing unemployment and foreclosure understandably don’t want any tax increase, period — no matter how short-sighted and self-defeating this attitude may be.
It’s been clear for a long time that the federal government needed to assist the states and localities if they were to avoid massive layoffs. (Krugman himself has argued for that.) But the Obama administration and Congress have decided not to even begin to address this possibility.
This doesn’t mean I am excusing Chris Christie. He’s a bully and an ignoramous, and the people got what they deserved for voting for him. But it’s important to remember that many people did NOT vote for this jerk and they are suffering the consequences of his actions, even though they had the foresight to see this train coming at them down the tunnel. (sorry)
Boy Krugman has it spot on as what has happened to our country under Republican policies.
Sure hope the Dems can see past all this and invest in our country’s infrastructure. But then again???
And what galls me is that the Business community, which utilizes that infrastructure, can’t see past their bottom line and see that with good infrastructure they will have a hell of a time moving their products to market. Seems to me this is just pure greed and spite!
Is the author a Republican or Democrat?
“What Causes Long-Term Unemployment?
To fully understand unemployment, we must consider the causes of recorded long-term unemployment. Empirical evidence shows that two causes are welfare payments and unemployment insurance. These government assistance programs contribute to long-term unemployment in two ways.
First, government assistance increases the measure of unemployment by prompting people who are not working to claim that they are looking for work even when they are not. The work-registration requirement for welfare recipients, for example, compels people who otherwise would not be considered part of the labor force to register as if they were a part of it. This requirement effectively increases the measure of unemployed in the labor force even though these people are better described as nonemployed—that is, not actively looking for work.”
Is the author a Republican or Democrat?
Look, I’m south Jersey and I held my nose and voted for putz Corzine. I can’t stand Christie. But that doesn’t make him wrong to scotch this project. http://blog.nj.com/njv_paul_mulshine/2010/10/arc_project_the_guv_got_this_o.html Krugman is an economist, for crying out loud, what does he know about construction? What, he has a degree in civil engineering in his back pocket? Spending money on boondoggle projects that not only don’t fix the problems but also create more problems isn’t a good use of money.
Conservatism. n. An inordinate love of catastrophic policies.
The American Society of Civil Engineers have said 2 trillion dollars is needed just to maintain existing infrastructure. Forget about trying to catch up with Europe and Asia with your kind of myopia.
You’re wrong on both counts but the evidence has been in print for so long, I don’t’ feel like going over it for the how many-th time. Government assistance does not cause unemployment. And if you think welfare does so, try it. You sound like the people who complain that prisons are too luxurious. The complainers are never anxious to try the accommodations, which you’d think, to listen to them, are well worth it.
So you are making my point, right. You believe that the author is a Republican?
I have one thing to say to Gov. Christie: I80 in New Jersey. Or rather, “The I80 Semi-permanent Parking Lot”. NJ Transit also has a plan to extend their longest commuter line over the Lackawanna Cutoff to Scranton, to take commuter traffic off I80. But if you don’t have an additional tunnel to get across the Hudson into New York, you’ve just created a bigger, worse bottleneck than you have already. He’s an idiot.
fuckno didn’t write that nor does he subscribe to it.
Hey, Margaret, that quote is from Obama’s chief economic adviser Larry H. Summers:
http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Unemployment.html
I didn’t say nothing needed to be done. I said this proposed project may be a dud. And money wasted is not helpful. I welcome anyone with the demonstrated qualifications to assess this kind of project in detail. Takers? I’m not seeing any so far.
You shouldn’t allow your dislikes to get in the way of critical analysis. As Don Meredith once said of Landry and Grant, if there were a popularity contest between Corzine and Christie, there wouldn’t be a winner. Christie’s repugnant and Corzine’s incompetent. Where does that leave the ARC issue?
I know. That’s one reason I detest the guy and deplore his appointment. He can’t get out of government fast enough for me.
Krugman assumes that Christie wants the economy to do well at this time and that Christie cares about doing what’s in the best interests of the people of New Jersey or the American people.
He doesn’t.
You can’t reason or negotiate with these people.
I’ve come to be firmly of the opinion that “things” will have to get worse before they get better.
I stand corrected. I thought he did. Block quotes might be more helpful.
There is a false dichotomy going on which is spun as Republicans vs Democrats or teabaggers vs Progressives, etc. The true dichotomy is the wealthy/leadership caste and their deluded drones vs everybody else.
Agreed. That’s why I try to use them or use citation.
Now that I know you didn’t write the quotation, I know it was Summers. Self-absorbed hubrists, if I may coin the term, are what they are. Political labels hardly matter.
Blue Texan’s regularly scheduled post is up: Two Months After He Negotiated It Away, Obama Argued for Public Option in Joint Address to Congress
Yeah! Lets let republicans win and then people will understand how bad they are and vote in liberals, like in 1994, 2000, or the Mass special elections. Hows that plan working out?
You’ve completely missed the point here. Read more carefully.
Krugman isn’t an impartial observer. On Monday at his speech that I attended he mentioned as an aside on infrastructure spending how he hoped they got the tunnel done quickly. He lives in Princeton, NJ and likes to go to Manhattan. *g*
Yeah, let’s vote in Democrats, because they’ll deliver policy that’s so very different from Republicans, just like in ’06 and ’08. How’s that plan working out?
We can sling slogans back and forth until the cows come home. Doesn’t advance the ball for anyone.
And what is your “critical analysis” based on? Are you a civil or structural engineer, architect, trasnporations planner? So what are your qualifications to state the project is a “dud?” 6,000 potential construction jobs are not a waste of money.
If efficiency were the reason, you’d have an argument. It isn’t, though. Christie did it for the money.
Snark?
Two laws:
Gramm-Leach- Blily 1996
Commodities Futures Modernization Act of 2000
oh, and let’s not forget NAFTA.
Just classic capital versus labor. There is a legal concept of unequal bargaining power that has to do with correcting the imbalance but it doesn’t often get from concept to practice.
I disagree. What is going on now cannot be described as a classic example, more of an extreme example.
Build it anyway and charge anyone who’s not from New York a premium to use it…until New Jersey’s share is paid off. Free Market, HOORAY!!
Dems need to step up to the plate on federal support for state and local budgets or the Rethugs get the perfect excuse to do exactly what they wanna do (steal from the poor, give to the rich).
Are the deficit hawks in the Democrat party acting as enablers for the Rethugs?
It boggles the mind that folks don’t understand backup, and I’m not referring to constipation, but redundant systems. Having only one of anything is an invitation for disaster. NY/NJ is running on borrowed time with only one tunnel.
None of the above. And you? I’m just suggesting that jumping into an argument about a multi billion dollar project on sentiment isn’t sensible. Why, specifically, do you believe this proposal will solve the problems? Because? Did you read the link? I’ll give the guy who wrote it credit for considering the possibilities in some detail. Me, I don’t have a critical opinion about any construction projects. But I do fix computers and throwing parts at a problem is notoriously incompetent–not to mention expensive.
Of course, he wrote that in 1999.
I say classic, you say extreme. Is there really enough difference to argue about? I’m guessing we mean the same thing. The war waged between capital and labor is thousands of years old.
He doesn’t seem to have changed his opinion since then.
Any evidence he’s changed his mind? I find it difficult to even look at Summers, his smugness just streams off him.
I guess it depends on whether or not you have a job. I do not and haven’t in almost two years.
Tunnels seem to be a perfect example of Keynes reductio ad absurdum, which is that if you have excess resources, it is better to put them to work digging holes, then filling them up. Besides, does anyone think that a new tunnel in that location will not be filled up with trains quickly? It also seems to be a classic example of the cliche that if you build it, they will come.
Not to mention your point about how redundancy is efficient because all of the little efficiencies of not having backup systems are wiped out when you have a system shut down owing to no backup.
It annoys me when people don’t behave accordingly. Coming back to the country on the bus after Krugman’s speech on Monday, the bus driver chose the center tube of the Lincoln Tunnel, which at the hour I was traveling had 2-war traffic. There was a 15-minute holdup, probable a broken down vehicle that had to wait for the tow-truck before traffic in our direction could resume. If the bus driver had chosen the north of the 3 tubes, with both lanes going toward NJ, traffic could have been rerouted around the impediment, with less inconvenience to all.
And who should we “get out the vote” for? Certainly not the Democrats, who are actively helping the Republicans do all these awful things.
Political labels don’t matter? In as much as the parties are equally poised against wage labor, for shooo. But when it comes to casting votes, all of the sudden voters perceive major differences, – don’t ask me where, but they do.
Nice piece on Larry Summers for those who may have missed it, read the whole article:
“Larry Summers and the Subversion of Economics
Consider: As a rising economist at Harvard and at the World Bank, Summers argued for privatization and deregulation in many domains, including finance. Later, as deputy secretary of the treasury and then treasury secretary in the Clinton administration, he implemented those policies. Summers oversaw passage of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which repealed Glass-Steagall, permitted the previously illegal merger that created Citigroup, and allowed further consolidation in the financial sector. He also successfully fought attempts by Brooksley Born, chair of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission in the Clinton administration, to regulate the financial derivatives that would cause so much damage in the housing bubble and the 2008 economic crisis. He then oversaw passage of the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, which banned all regulation of derivatives, including exempting them from state antigambling laws.
After Summers left the Clinton administration, his candidacy for president of Harvard was championed by his mentor Robert Rubin, a former CEO of Goldman Sachs, who was his boss and predecessor as treasury secretary. Rubin, after leaving the Treasury Department—where he championed the law that made Citigroup’s creation legal—became both vice chairman of Citigroup and a powerful member of Harvard’s governing board.”
http://chronicle.com/article/Larry-Summersthe/124790/
Summers responded to this in a letter to the WSJ on April 16th of this year.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303348504575184130005753358.html?KEYWORDS=Summers+letter
That’s exactly the point that Krugman made in his speech that I heard on Monday. Krugman, in answer to my Q about what he missed about O’s economic team, the architects of the disaster, explained that he thought they (O’s economists) were smart and flexible. But, of course, they aren’t flexible in the slightest, which is immediately apparent from a more impartial reading of their records.
It’s small minded pinheads who would never believe we would pay $11.00 to cross the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge when it was proposed. It pays and pays jerk!
Is this one way or both?
I read and commented on your excellent post.
I am very critical of Obama and his team for not pushing for a much larger stimulus. I think he left a lot on the negotiating table.
Something that I do understand is why it is good for the federal government to fund the state governments.
1. Both levels of government get all of their funds from the same source, taxing citizens and businesses.
2. Individual states have made economic decisions to fund activities in their states at a level that they want. Why do we ask the feds to intervene in those states that have committed to a level of services that they cannot afford?
New Jersey, and other states in a similar situation, should simply raise taxes on their citizens to pay for services in their own state. What makes it more interesting to the progressive side is that it is the richest states that want the most help.
Well, good heavens, a clarification from an academic that’s fairly readable. OK, I guess Summers is off that hook. I do remember an article years and years ago in which a prof specializing in labor deduced from his study that people working shit jobs remain on unemployment as long as they can because they’re in no rush to find their next shit jobs. Having had a few of those jobs, makes sense to me.
one way
Outerbridge Crossing$ 8.00 to get on the Staten Island $11.00 to get off.
OG,
It’s really high time for you to wrap your head around reality.
The elites of both parties hate our guts, period!
S&L govts can’t run deficits by law (capital projects exempted, depending), so they are unable to do countercyclical economic stimulus.
So, how is a wage earner to see that as a good deal?
Thank you for the advice. But, at this time, I will pass on taking it.
A registered and licensed professional that works with civil engineers, planners and architects on a daily basis. Professor of urban design & planning. The argument for the project is not based on “sentiment” as you suggest. The U.S. will continue to fall further and further behind Europe and Asian nations that recognize the value of investing in infrastructure unless the public gets behind infrastructure. What was a major contributor to the economic vitality of the 50 & 60′s? It was the construction of the interstate highway system.
Lunch is over, and I another audiobook disc loaded on my ipod, so I’m off to the back 40.
Me, either, Margaret. Similar circumstances don’t necessitate similar opinions. I started looking for another job in February 2007. From then till August this year, I found maybe seven or eight postings that fit. A few more jumped up this August and September, but the competition for any decent position is overwhelming. HR departments are swamped: Crozer Keystone Health has a bordered admonition on its jobs page that warns they will not accept any more than 15 applications from one person. http://www.healthcaresource.com/crozer/index.cfm?fuseaction=search.categoryList&template=dsp_job_categories.cfm Life time ban, apparently. You know what that implies. And I can’t begrudge anyone who gets in ahead of me, we’re all up the well known creek now.
OK, so why, specifically, do you find the argument in the linked article invalid? What about his objections is not true? And I don’t agree about the long term benefits of the interstates. But you’re certainly right about the money spent.
I’m not arguing that infrastructure investment is wasteful generally. My point is this particular project. You’re not addressing that, at all.
Tell that to the 6,000 people who were employed and supporting themselves while it was going on.
Christie is just pandering to the domestic spending nihilists (i.e. Americans For Prosperity) and his constituents (The Chamber of Commerce). It’s a horrific policy – especially in New Jersey, which in the past two decades gone from having one of the top infrastructure systems in the country to one of the worst.
But, when you’re running for President in 2012, you’re a Bush Pioneer and when you have a truckload of equally disengenious, disgraceful Democratic sellouts in the statehouse (Dems are/have been in the majority for nearly 20 years in NJ) – this is what you get.
Point me in their directions and I will. I don’t support wasteful projects. I think I’ve made that abundantly clear. Just as I made an offer to let you hang out at my very humble abode while you job hunt: I live in the geographic corridor that has Harvard and Tufts at the northern end, thru Yale in CT, NY’s, NJ’s, and PA’s med centers to Johns Hopkins at the south end. I’m sure there are some other worthy employment possibilities, pharmaceutical companies, for instance, that I’ve overlooked. You declined. I’m good with that. Let’s agree to disagree on this construction project, as well. Unless you’re of the opinion that a flawed project is even better because it guarantees more work long after it should have been finished. Not saying you are, just saying that I don’t get the appeal of big money spent badly.
Here’s the last comments, the only reasonable exchange in the argument, from DKos: http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2010/10/7/2131/32439/392#c392. FischFry seems eminently sensible.
Re: fuckno at #38
The Gramm–Leach–Bliley of 1999 modified G-S to allow mergers – allowing Travelers to merge with City and thereby give Rube $116 miilion as a special director of the merged company. Since investment banks led us down into financial crisis, and since G-S never regulated investment banks, and since investment bank activities – such as derivatives and securitization of mortgages games, were under independent Fed Chair Greenspan and not Clinton – WHAT THE HECK IS THE REASON YOU BLAME CLINTON FOR THE FINANCIAL CRISIS?
As to the Commodities Futures Modernization Act of 2000 (note that these were all GOP ideas) the only problem was the refusal of the GOP to include derivatives regulation separate from the authority of the Fed, and to not close the ENRON loophole that was closed by the Dems in 2008 and signed by Bush.
As for NAFTA the treaty was signed by GH Bush and approved by a Dem House and Senate and signed into law by Clinton in 1993. Clinton promised to modify it and did so in two supplements, the North American Agreement on Environmental Cooperation (NAAEC) and the North American Agreement on Labor Cooperation (NAALC). Those supplements have proven hard to enforce under WTO rules – a reason to leave the WTO. The jobs effect after 10 years was a wash – but with lower paying jobs replacing the manufacturing jobs we lost. It had no effect on the millions of jobs lost under Bush and sent to China
fuckno – Do you have any background education – in anything?
Why ?
The GOP Congress prevent Brooksley Born, chair of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission in the Clinton administration – she testified but Rubin and Summers and Greenspan refused to support her and a GOP Congress killed it. If Rubin had supported the leaders of that Congress said they would still kill regulation.
Do you have some need to blame Clinton despite the facts not being behind your attempts to do so? – Just curious.
As long as they don’t get worse for YOU, Right. Just who do you want to suffer and how should they suffer. How about if YOU find yourself watching your home burn down with all you beloved pets in it as the Fire Dept stands down over a missed tax payment. How about finding yourself on a food line with no unemployment insurance, No medicaid for your children while your oldest child is in a war in Iran. It easy to say things as long as it’s about others.
Re this article – I believe Krugman is spot on
The economy needed this project and many more like it. The “can we afford” folks were the reason we stopped coming out of the depression in 1937 and why we fell back as to jobs as the budget was cut to bring down those deficits.
As to the cost, the under $2 billion project became an under $4 billion project – I do not know where the $20 billion number mentioned in the post above comes from – I know the only numbers I can find are 3+ billion.
But no problem – Obama is not about to order up a second stimulus – so we will be discussing this in the 2012 election as we find we must vote for Obama because look at the alternative. Of course there may be fewer of us as the catfood commission is approved by Obama as a humane way to cull the herd – sort of like those in the 1850′s that wanted to find a path to a more humane form of slavery.
Indeed police protection should be by fee – you flash your card as you are being mugged so the police know they should pick up your body when the mugger is done and gone. s
There is something called a Presidential Veto, no? Or, is the President just a hapless figurehead with a veto pen?
Yea thats the ticket! There should also be a Poor people tax! If you can’t pick yourself up by your sneaker strings you should have to pay a poor house fee or go directly to Debtor Jail. Anybody want to Party and have some Tea?