That’s Josh Rosner on Parker/Spitzer talking about the mortgage bond fraud, which is just a part of all the separate and interlocking frauds performed by the financial industry over the last decade, which is swiftly leading us to a reckoning that could be catastrophic for the second time. L.Randall Wray calls it the biggest scandal in human history, and something he’s been aware of for the past several years.
We have long known that lender fraud was rampant during the real estate boom. The FBI began warning of an “epidemic” of mortgage fraud as early as 2004. We know that mortgage originators invented “low doc” and “no doc” loans, encouraged borrowers to take out “liar loans”, and promoted “NINJA loans” (no income, no job, no assets, no problem!). All of these schemes were fraudulent from the get-go. Property appraisers were involved, paid to overvalue real estate. That is fraud. The securitizers packaged trash into bundles that ratings agencies blessed with the triple A seal of approval. By their own admission, raters worked with securitizers to provide the rating desired, never looking at the loan tapes to see what they were rating. Fraud. Venerable investment banks like Goldman Sachs packaged the trashiest securities into collateralized debt obligations at the behest of hedge fund managers–who were allowed to choose the most toxic of the toxic waste—then sold the CDOs on to their own customers and allowed the hedge funds to bet against them. More fraud [...]
Now we know that it was not just the mortgage brokers, and the appraisers, and the ratings agencies, and the accountants, and the investment banks that were behind the fraud. It was the securitization process itself that was fraudulent. Indeed, the securities themselves are fraudulent. Many, perhaps most, maybe all of them.
(Do read Wray’s solutions, at the link.)
The foreclosure fraud is merely the last link in this chain, the final fraud that the banks hoped could get these toxic assets (we didn’t know how toxic) off the books. They got caught.
And yet, the banksters who committed these atrocities, who crashed the economy once and now maybe twice, who brought untold suffering upon millions if not tens of millions, think you punks are to blame.
Wall Street’s reaction to the allegations that some banks cut corners while foreclosing on 3 million homes since 2007: Pay your mortgage in the first place [...]
“If you didn’t pay your mortgage, you shouldn’t be in your house. Period. People are getting upset about something that’s just procedural,” said Walter Todd, portfolio manager at Greenwood Capital Associates.
Some said the issue is one of personal responsibility for one’s own debts.
“Everyone’s responsible for following the law. If we all don’t have to pay our mortgage, should we just stop paying taxes, too?” said Anton Schutz, president of Mendon Capital Advisers. “Your mortgage didn’t get to a robo-signer by accident, it’s because you’re not paying.”
That could be the most arrogant article I’ve ever seen in an American newspaper. These ingrates think they shouldn’t dare be challenged. And the line “everyone’s responsible for following the law” in the context of making excuses for not following the law is pretty rich.
Set aside the fact that mass unemployment (caused by the financial crisis), mass recasting of loans (caused by fraudulent and predatory origination) and crashing home prices (caused by poor lending standards and a predatory bubble popping) are the chief causes of foreclosures. The “pay your mortgage” argument has even less resonance when you realize that the servicers routinely broke the law that demands they work with the borrower to avoid foreclosures. This is hard-wired into every servicing agreement, and they simply ignore it, preferring to collect fees on the foreclosure. There’s not one step in the process where the servicers weren’t criminally negligent, from predatory lending to document fraud and robo-signing, and every single step in between. Spare me the moralizing.
The banksters may try to lash out their customers, but the investors know the score. The banks ruined the housing market, to sum it up. In addition to bank stocks falling rapidly yesterday, credit default swaps for banks are skyrocketing. Nobody wants to insure them.
It is not yet clear what the consequences will be if large quantities of mortgage-backed securities turn out to be flawed – or how the problem could be solved.
“If the basic principles of property law have been violated here . . . it may be extremely difficult to fix,” said a source involved in government oversight of financial institutions who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the uncertainties involved. “There is a chain of questions that no one seems to know the answer to.”
Rosner sees the potential for a Lehman-type collapse as investors try to jam the banks with the faulty MBS, all of which could be called into question. I laughed at one analyst’s prediction that this would result in just $10 billion in losses. Maybe on the first day.
Daniel Indiviglio, seeking government solutions for the mess, brings up a possible convergence of the Federal Reserve using QEII to buy up all the MBS they can find, saving the banks from getting stuck with the losses in the name of “stimulus.” Not pretty.
But it’s probably more plausible than the terms “bank holiday,” “mass prosecution,” “national mediation board” and the like. You know, the ones which would actually solve the problem. Until we get out from under this massive fraud, you can forget about an economic recovery.




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The only possible way out is a large-scale cleanup of defaulting banks. We need a true European-style Central Bank to replace the ineffective, largely private-sector Fed. Such an institution could control the inevitable financial difficulties brought about by decades of laissez-faire capitalism, letting truly overstretched banks fail and nationalizing financial institutions that show signs of life. A little rest time in the general population of a secure Federal facility such as Lompoc or Ossining would help those bankers responsible for tipping the world economy avoid similar fraud for at least a couple of decades.
Bottom line: the casino capitalism must stop.
Well said, dday. It’s simply amazing in every conceivable use of that word. And, it’s equally amazing that what genuinely needs to happen probably won’t, thereby ensuring that uncertainty persists in the housing market – and every financial entity associated with it – for decades to come.
should be one helluva friday news dump, eh?
Wray mentions Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation – hmmmm, wasn’t there some 11th hour hi jinks there from prev. admin. ? hafta go take a peek
Are there no workhouses for the banksters?
You know. where they’d actually work and produce something of value?
License plates, anyone?
Rayne lays out the possibility the BushCo deliberately crashed Detroit, setting up a golden opportunity for GOP insiders to scarf up Michigan real estate on the cheap.
OK David, that’s the best line(s) I ever seen from you. Made me laugh.
“That could be the most arrogant article I’ve ever seen in an American newspaper.” D’accord. Maybe followed by that trader’s rant about 2 years ago whining about Obama. These people are trying to claim some sort of moral high ground by blaming the victims for this mess.
But I think I see where this may be going. Once the victims are kicked out of their homes, the homes are no longer “homesteads” for exemption purposes and become fair game for other creditors. Other creditors are in a position to set aside the mortgages and claim priority over the mortgages. True, the same banks may be doing this. But it will be fun seeing them figuring this out and cutting each other’s throats. That’s when you’ll hear some high decibel screams for a moratorium.
Everyone’s responsible for following the law? you broke the law with fraud and created a housing bubble. The housing bubble collapsed and THAT destroyed the economy resulting in people not paying after they lost their jobs. You caused your own impending bankruptcy.
These posts caught my eye:
“The Earls Fraudclosure (What Would Franz Kafka Say?),” by williambanzai7, Oct. 14, 2010
Dave Anderson in “Bankers’ extortion” (at IanWelsh.Net, Oct. 15, 2010):
Folks finally see no loss in challenging the fraud-sters and their “investor” buddies milking the contorted tranches because there isn’t. Where the note?
Credit Default Swap market I wonder how many people are betting against home loan paper right now?
“If you didn’t pay your mortgage, you shouldn’t be in your house. Period. People are getting upset about something that’s just procedural,” said Walter Todd, portfolio manager at Greenwood Capital Associates.
tinman couldn’t agree more.
tinman is
It strikes me that at least one of the reasons they thought they could get away with this fraud is the banks thought that a great many people who took out mortgages in the past 10 years would never actually repay the loan in full, which as I understand it would require that they receive paperwork that the banks can’t provide. I think banks gambled on the fact that many people would sell before the mortgage was paid in full for various reasons, including retirement downsizing, etc. It’s not like it was 60 years ago when many people bought a house and stayed in it pretty much until they died. People became more mobile, and I think the banks counted on that. What I don’t understand is how a normal sale of property was actually consummated without the missing note, because certainly there have been normal sales of homes under some of these mortgages.
President Obama needs to “man up” and confront the banks on behalf of the American people. The president should immediately get behind a national foreclosure moratorium. He has coddled the banks for too long! It’s us or them. Which side is he on?
Hedgefunds bought home loan paper from the banks at $36 for every $1 of collateral the hedgefunds had they used this to finance corporate takeovers.
I wonder what happens if homeloan paper becomes worthless I doubt all the Social Security trust fund could bailout WallStreet if the hedgefunds fail.
I know how the bankers will get out of this. Congress will pass a law that will limit bankers liability. I know one of those came up and didn’t get passed recently, but that was just a trial balloon. One will get passed after a pretend debate and pretend outrage, then it will get passed. I promise it will happen.
Name the top ten criminals, other than the peace groups, that Mr. Missing in action Holder has gotten convictions on and locked up for years.
I guess he working so hard to avoid charging big bad dick cheney with the war crimes he committed in broad daylight he doesn’t have time to look into this.
Bush moved 500 financial FBI investigators over to homeland security from the bank fraud division. Did holder replace them yet?
There’s no hope in these dopes.
Hmmmm … “stop paying taxes, too”? Hey Ralph (Nader); make yourself Useful AGAIN: Incorporate the rest of US (as a single Colossal PERSON), move our mutual assets offshore of taxation just(ly) like the Bernanksters and Wall Street-walkers, and Sink Club FED, for good! Can We the People Spell J-U-B-I-L-E-E ?
As in, it was Harry Whittington’s fault for getting in the way of Dick Cheney’s bullet.
Finally, at last, the true motivation behind the catfood commission is revealed–we free up the ss cash to fund the new bailout!
You have to marvel at the genius of corruption.
Talk about arrogance DD.
How ’bout the name the sub human at JP Morgan Chase gave to the clueless staff hired to sign documents; “The Burker King Kids.”
What kind of odds are they giving I do not know the ins and outs of this market. Also aren’t you worried the CDS market won’t be able to pay? Do the banks even have 1% collateral to pay their CDS?
I’m thinking you’re just being facetious.
WRONG no matter how many times you repeat that stupid line.
Liability is one thing but who actually owns the home, who can foreclose on the home is important can the banks sell home loan paper anymore is my question or is that market dead?
THEY broke the law, THEY marketed loans they KNEW were toxic, THEY SOLD THOSE LOANS AS A1 LOANS, they PUSHED prices higher and they DEMANDED officers certify that higher price
this is THEIR problem, caused by THEM and THEY need to take personal responsibility, NOT the people THEY LIED TO and THEY sold a product they KNEW was worth far less then THEY certified
Holder would just get in the way. The states can do it better.
Gracious a third person troll……
You realize that if people pay their criminally over inflated home loans then any bets you make against home loans on CDS won’t get paid?
Yeah we were sold an over priced product that did not deliver but now the conman wants us to keep paying the loan? Even though that product caused us to lose our jobs?
The banks broke the law that action caused a chain reaction we lost our jobs we stopped paying home loans.
But the banks do not want to be punished for first breaking the law? They instead want us punished?
I’m generally humorless until after 5pm, but that made me laugh out loud! Not a funny ha-ha laugh, but an exasperated “How can we possibly avoid this stale Hell as it collapses upon us, rather than around us?”
Shorter version: It’s not our fault your noses ran into our fists!
That’s if they don’t follow the 1863 banking law that prevented their involvement that bush invoked.
After ,of course , they illegally wiretapped Spitzer for his nookie romps they prevented other AG from following up on Spitzer’s work.
Appoint Spitzer as a special prosecutor and watch the fur fly. Of course the criminal co-conspirator “0″ never learned the cover-up is always worse than the crime.
His study of U.S. history must have skipped the Nixon era.
My husband and I are currently refinancing, because we’ve put so much into our business, this helps cash flow. We have college educations, but mortgage paperwork is very confusing, although the lender we are going through, USAA, has cleaner looking paperwork than Washington Mutual did. How can people who barely graduated from high school understand this stuff? Why is it always their fault and not the lender’s employees that misrepresented everything.
A rhetorical question I presume?
If the Rethugs do decide to impeach in the next Congress, they may have something more to go on then just cigar sex.
The law is sooo for the small people. The fix is in for the banksters.
A while back, I heard a segment on “This American Life” during which a woman confronted some bankster/wall st geniuses at a W St bar about this scamming and the bailouts by taxpayers. One of the banksters said essentially, “We deserve it because we are geniuses.” That was his bottom line. “I’m smarter than everyone here, I earned it.”
The arrogance of it all was stunning.
Wray’s solutions are spot-on. Thanks for that link!
Krugman today has a good article on this mortgage morass and many of the comments are excellent, totally worth reading.
Yes, but the title paper that the banks will be holding won’t have any more value than that’s what’s used for cleanup after evacuation.
but all the fixes in the world can’t protect them from institutional investors, can it ?
I know that sounds like I haven’t been paying attention, but I’ve seen nothing to indicate II’s are going to be mollified or placated – how do you see that unfolding ?
Clamor. Talk to co-workers and neighbors. Point them towards the articles and FDL. Speak out. Don’t be asleep, or the status quo will allow them to get away with it, and shift the burden and blame onto the people.
Enough is Enough! It is time for those who break the laws to suffer the consequences, as it is for us who are not the self-proclaimed elite.
I’m not being facetious. This needs to be the “October Surprise” of the Democrats if they are going to hold on to the House. Obama, listen up!
October Surprise!
Remember Orange Co. bankruptcy? Investors got screwed. Institutional investors are even more toothless than O.
I have no idea how the banksters will get away with it. My imagination is not rich enough for that exercise. Just am pretty sure that they will. Oh, there’ll be a scapegoat or two, and some nominal fines, but that’ll be it.
Remember that a lot of the houses with titles in question were bought by vultures & flipped, so they are now ‘owned’ by little guys who won’t have the wherewithal to sue. So the vultures are free & clear. And the PTB will castrate any lawyers who try to do class actions.
It doesn’t look like Obama *wants* the Ds to hold on to the
House. He wants the Rs to ‘block’ all his wonderful ideas
to save the middle class. /S
Someone here at the Lake made this suggestion. Since all the title paper is garbage since because of the bundling no single title-holder can ever be determined, just have the states invoke eminent domain and assume title of it all. Then issue as land-grants the properties free of lien to the last persons of record inhabiting the properties.
Why not?
In response to cbl2 @ 3
In response to ghostof911 @ 5
Hedge funds are gobbling up the REOs, according to Nomi Prins:
Scarecrow has a fresh cross-post up: Angle Debates Reid, Or How Corporate America Bought a Clueless Tea Party
thanks, gotcha
fasten your seat belts
it was definately the lenders fault, they knew they were loaning money on value that simply did not exist
Appointing a Special prosecutor sounds great. Spitzer would be ideal.
It would also be the most dangerous job on earth.
Obama will never do it. If he did it out of pressure, he’d make sure the investigation is neutered from the get go. Like he’s doing with Liz Warren right now.
The CIA are henchmen for Wall St., always have been. Creating chaos around the world since their inception, they deal drugs to fund covert ops, lauder the money and stash it in offshore accounts.
Their operations always serve the MOTU.
Whoever had the moxie to agree to a position like a special prosecutor going after Wall St. would have to take personal safety precautions like never boarding an airplane. If they live to see it through, sooner or later they’d get him. Accidental death or sudden heart attack is a standard favorite and nobody would be the wiser.
And why did they hire essentially unskilled, uninformed low level workers to push through essential illegal,fraudulent and forged paperwork? Because they needed drones who didn’t know any better to do the messy scutwork while they attempted to keep their own hands clean.
These low level employees will be the ones to do the perp walks while their higher-ups will get off scott free. It’s the Abu Grahib model of corporate resonsibility pioneered so succesfully by the Bush Administration.
Vultures can flip to their hearts’ content, but if the party foreclosed upon has legal standing in a class action suit, those flipped transactions could be in jeopardy.
Get a lawyer, and don’t get a recommendation from your realtor.
Ask friends or call the state board.
No, Obama feels that if there are more Republicans in Congress they would feel less insecure and be more inclined to cooperate in an honest fashion. That’s the story and he’s sticking to it!
thanks. was just reading an Emptywheel post and comments from that time – interesting read and conclusions – natch :D
If the low level employees defend themselves on their own nickel and point to where the responsibility lies, they will have nothing to fret about.
Well conservatives can run around blaming the “small people” for renigging on the loans, while saying that all the laws broken and egregious greedy gluttonous behavior enacted by the MOTU on Wall ST, in the Banks and Hedgefunders is just A-effen-OK with them.
Yet again, there is ye olde double standard so beloved by conservatives, which is propounded in their Doug Coe C Street “Family” churches: if you’re rich, you can do whatever the fack you want, and Jesus smiles upon you. You can break any law – in fact, the more laws broken, the better – you can lie, cheat, steal, dump your wife when she’s coming out of surgery, beat up your kids, whatever. You’re rich: you earned the right to behave as amorally, unethically, greedy, gluttonous, criminally as possible. Go for it.
And if you “small people” are the victims of the egregious criminal behavior wrought upon you by greedy billionaires: why, that’s “life,” and it’s “fair,” and because you’re not rich, that means that you sinned against Jesus and deserve every last little bit of suffering you endure and more… and btw, the rich are stealing your hard-earned social security funds because they’re rich and they deserve it, you don’t.
The end.
Ah yes, eleventy-dimensional chess.
That’ll work! :-)
Agree. I don’t own property, but what I’ve read and heard about all this junk going on, it’s chrystal clear that the majority of the “small people” involved in doing the “paper work,” are clueless, untrained, most likely poorly paid. And yes: if it comes down to it, they’ll get the blame.
And all the billionaires & politicians will collude to make the “small people” do the perp walks, as is always the case. Abu Grahib is an apt comparison.
Yeah, the entire scam and all parties involved played the buffer for the bankers.
Indeed. Spitzer was an arrogant creep for doing the hookers ‘n blow stuff, but sooner or later, he would’ve been busted/neutered/whatever. The CIA and the MOTU were never going to let Spitzer bring ‘em down. That’s for darn sure.
Obama ain’t gonna do sh*t; you can bank on that, too.
The Investment Banks have been turned into Emperor Caligula’s Palace.
“…The easiest thing was buy into the system, convince ourselves that there was no other way to live. A few semesters worth of economics classes certainly helped; the in-house economics classes taught by the bank helped even more. The financial markets operate on the principle that, at our core, we’re all basically shit: selfish, self-interested creatures. There’s a whole branch of economics devoted to proving that if you help someone, say, run in front of a speeding train to push another person out of the way, you are actually acting out of self-interest, not altruism; that what most of us would consider humankind’s cardinal virtues – love, honor, compassion – do not actually exist.
The idea that we’re nothing more than selfish animals is an attractive philosophy to a person pulling down a few million dollars a year. It is a philosophy that negates guilt. The guilty feeling a normal person gets while visiting a Third World country is the same feeling a senior investment banker gets when they see a working class neighborhood in Birmingham or Philadelphia. When your paycheck could cover the salaries of a few hundred nurses or teachers, you need some explanation for why that’s okay. The only one that really works is that life is a pure meritocracy. That whether rich or poor, we’re all getting what we deserve.
[Edited by mod for fair use.]
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/american-excess–a-wall-street-trader-tells-all-1674614.html
That has to be the most laughable load of bullshit this dupe has uttered yet. I’d bet even he and his lying pathology had a hard time stifling a laugh when he said that one.
Hey, didn’t you know? Moral hazard is only for the lesser people.
He knows but he’s got BALLS which are in short supply in the White House.
We can’t run a government based on fear of losing one’s life to do the right thing,[Edited by Mod: We're not going there, thank you.]
Well then, never mind.
David Koch’s PR person wrote a good script for Obama to read off of his Telepromtr with that line. Obummer, though, is so used to lying that the words glided easily forth. Obama has no problem with the lies; he’s well paid to say them.
Yup yup and yup.
Sadly I think that’s what’s been happening since 1963… just saying…
Ding.
Exactly. TBTF translates into “I ripped off so much that I can buy my way out of feeling any consquences for my own actions”.
Ah but many conservative churches pound out the “message,” that if you’re totally rich rich rich, it’s because you *deserve* it and Jesus smiles upon you. If you’re poor and needy, it’s because you’re sinful, debased, evil and disgusting.
My middle class family members are so messed up by this self-serving & despicable “philosophy” that’s not even funny. I won’t go on.
Interesting quote, and quite accurate (I’ve seen other “confessions” like this). Sadly, many conservatives would read an article like that, and their instant reaction would be to say that the guy who earned all that money deserved to lead his life that way and screw those poor people in Philadelphia because they deserve to live way, too.
Very sad.
Ding: agree. That’s it in a nutshell. I’m so loaded with money that I no need to have a moral compass or feel anything like compassion. It’s all about me now.
Here’s what we should do with the banksters.
That’s where it all began but I thought it would be understood, even if not stated outright.
My tale on that whole Spitzer bust was a bust out of desparation.
I remember the sequence of events and it went something like this.
Spitzer launches investigation in 2004, NY FBI is finding rampant fraud in the industry. Spitzer announces he’s days away from releasing his findings, and two days later he’s nailed for some bullshit that in reality is considered run of the mill recreation in DC.
Obviously, when Spitzer started the investigation, Paulson and Bush ordered a full spectrum of surveillance on him. They ovbiously came up with jack shit, so they went for humiliation. Compared to the high crimes going on with the banks, this was pathetic. Spitzer should not have resigned. Stupid Democrats always turn on their own and drive them out, yet Republicans can pick up lovers in public washrooms and it’s A OK.
These salaries, bonuses, stock options are all based on a criminal enterprise, IMHO.
Clawback.
For the victims deprived of their homes illegally, for the people and pension funds who bought empty boxes of securities, for the workers across America who will all see their 401Ks tank because of holdings in the financial sector, for homeowners who will see even more equity evaporate, for the shareholders of these enterprises who thought they were buying the stock of companies who performed legally, for the non culpable employees of the companies who will see their 401Ks go up in smoke if a large percentage is company stock(like it usually is), for the taxpayer who gets the tab for the ginned up salary discussed above when the whole house of cards goes under.
The CEOs and BODs should start seeing a raft of shareholder lawsuits for breach of fiduciary duties and conversion of corporate assets into their own pockets while bankrupting their own companies with their criminal malfeasance.
Obama’s safe as a bug in a rug.
All the theatrics about Obama pissing off Wall St is a fat ruse.
Anyway, just like the bankers of the 1930′s, the same type of toxic blobs of flesh with damaged brains make up today’s bankers.
1. Nothing will ever be enough, EVER.
2. Everything and everyone on earth is expendable for their gain.
I agree, Spitzer should not have resigned.
He was raked over the coals anyway (humiliation-wise).
He should have stayed on to finish what he started with his
investigation.
These bankstah criminals have personally skimmed money off the top of this rigged fraudulent based flim-flam game they created… aka Housing Bubble and Bust/foreclosure fraud mess. They’ve personally privatized into their greedy slimy little hands/pockets billions of dollars. And no one has lost a dime doing it. Until these Bankstahs have their personal money taken away from them nothing will change. Go after these criminals personally and hit the one thing they value the most, their money.
I doubt Obambi and this DOJ are ever gonna do that. Until that happens Nothing is going to change.
Think of it, no one in this entire epic financial mess has been prosecuted to date. No one!!!! And these arsehold bankstahs have been emboldened and think they’re invincible, hence the despicable commentary. I can see why….we are no longer a nation of laws for certain individuals. That’s the problem.
There’s some documentary about this whole Spitzer thing that a friend of mine saw. She didn’t know much about the whole thing until seeing this documentary recently (I think she rented it). She claimed that the CEO of Home Depot (who appeared like a Mafia Capo to her, and I said he probably IS a Mafia Capo) and the CEO of AIG were videoed in this documentary as saying that there is “no way” Spitzer will “get them.”
She said that it was clear that there is something “shady” about AIG, and I said: well some think that there’s a giant link between AIG and the CIA. As there is with the CIA and most of Wall ST.
Yeah: Spitzer was a skank, but once again: who gives a stuff? That’s between him & his wife. And as we all know, Republicans do the same or worse, and almost none of them are ever “busted,” even when there are clear illegalities as there is in the case of NV Senator John Ensign and the weird financial things he did for the cuckholded spouse of his mistress.
Even when you know, you know, that goes on, it is still jaw dropping to read it. Thanks for the link.
I agree that Spitzer should have stayed, but I think he was “forced” to leave. The hookers ‘n blow was just a inconvenient truth. Rightwingers are predictable in demanding that a Democrat resign under such circumstances. I think there’s way more behind the scenes that have nothing to do with Spitzer’s sexual shenanigans. But I think Spitzer was “set up” in terms of the hookers, etc.
Well then, Obama fits right in.
He always thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room.
That stupid dork has no idea what’s just around the corner.
Obama is blissfully unaware of how loathsome he’s acting lately.
Eactly. No moral hazard whatsoever. Plus, as we see, conservatives come here to post comments that ONLY ever wag fingers at the “small people.” Very interesting. Never seem the slightest bit concerned about the criminal & egregious behavior of the MOTU.
Absolutely. I called his office expressing my full support and begged him to stay and ride it out.
That a lot of people were still behind him.
So much for that.
We’re fine. We actually can read the documents and know what we were reading and signing. We are refinancing, because unlike the bankers, we believe that we owe the vendors that provided our company services and plan on paying them off, albeit slowly.
One of the more enjoyable parts of the refinacing, is I get to close Chase checking and savings accounts and a Key Bank checking account. We move my retirement over to a credit union, who has been supportive. I smile everytime I think about it.
Unfortunately, our justice system is also broken. No one will pay for their misdeeds if they are part of the elite – they will simply buy off the judges. The political and economic elite are above the law in this country.
Indeed. The double-standard re: personally skanky Dems (Spitzer)
vs. personally skanky Repubs (Vitter, et al.) is maddening.
And so incoherent. One would think we’d hold the so-called
‘Christians’ to the higher standard. Creeps like Sanford of
the Appalachian trail haven’t been shamed out of office.
God, I love that!
Ya know, if this was happening during FDR’s time, I think I could fathom that happening.
Today, not a chance. Doesn’t matter what crimes the banks committed including destroying the USA.
Courtesy Obama, Geitner, Bernanke, and Congress;
They will get off scot free.
They will somehow make a killing, again.
and we will get stiffed for another couple hundred trillion that
they f__ucked bond holders and foreign investors over.
It’s so tragically predictable.
You go! Get it out of the big banks.
Make sure the credit union bank is OK.
I think I heard about a credit union bank in trouble somewhere a few weeks ago. Forgot the details, sorry.
Oh my stars, you’re just so precious with that youthful idealism. What has that Rovian Democrat done to give you any faith he’ll go forth and sin against us no more?
Maybe you should try clicking your heals and repeating, “At least Rahm is gone.” If that don’t work, I got a barely used pair of ruby slippers that might do the trick.
I’ll see your charming naivete and raise your awareness of Obama’s true colors.
I apologize for the length, Cohen just rambles instead of getting straight to the point, but that’s the nature of transcripts. (Emphasis added):
Progressives and the Democratic Party Pt. 2 (video)
The Real News Network
February 3, 2010
Paul Jay interviews Jeff Cohen
So unless you got more juice with Obama than those guys, I’d bet on your demand, for redress from genuinely grievous wrongs, getting drowned out by the sound of all our money being stolen in the name of “good governance,” under the color of law, in broad daylight, etc.
Most galling, our own public servants are acting as thugs for the thieves, up to and especially the president. So good luck with that.
But don’t feel bad. We’ve all come to that realization (trolls not included).
Question is, is that all you got? If Obama doesn’t do as you say, whatcha gonna do about it? (Hint: look around, we’re doing it already.)
Interesting, those guys were so confident and they were right.
Well, of course this whole thing was rigged.
I tell you, Paulson was the key. He was in the thick of it at Goldman when this shit was in high gear. Then, like magic he becomes our Treasury Sec..
They steal trillions of dollars one night, bust up his arch rival Lehman, and confiscate taxpayers retirements, pensions, and crush the economy.
Three months later, Paulson melts into background, richer than ever before.
They never will be. Read Richard Sharlett’s books about Doug Coe’s C Street “Family” of Churches. Rachel Maddow has done excellent work in exposing Doug Coe for the charlatan he is.
Basically Doug Coe espouses a total double-standard: one set of rules for the “small people,” and something completely different for the wealthy, the politicians and other PTB. Christian conservatives are very very well taught to go along with this b.s. – to the detriment of our nation.
It’s really disgusting, but Dems are also C Streeter “Family” members and play along for money and power. Hence we end up with this pathetic double standard, where “good christian conservatives” will still froth with pure rage about Bill Clinton & Monica Lewinsky, but they’ll completely ignore the Republicans, like Vitter, Sanford, Ensign, etc. Even IF you bring up some well-known Republican politician shenanigans, conservatives will find some way to have a cosmic disconnet over it and still insist that what Clinton & Spitzer did were “worse” and more “wrong.”
It’s bull sh*t, but a certain percentage of our population will fall in line and go along with it… to the detriment of us all.
My question is this:
A bank/servicer/mortgage trust does not legally hold the note, and thus has no legal standing to foreclose. How is it that they have legal standing to accept mortgage payments? If they don’t have standing, who does? At least some of the stuff I’ve been reading indicates that once the chain of title is corrupted, there is nobody who has legal standing to foreclose (the originator was paid for the note when it was sold, and lost its standing). Is it possible that in some of these cases nobody has legal standing to collect mortgage payments?
Wouldn’t that be a hoot?
Paulson certainly has had a primary role, if nothing else. When I heard about Paulson being annointed by Obama, I knew something was truly “rotten in Denmark.” Yeah: Paulson. A huge crook for sure, but laughing all the way to his many and numerous off-shore accounts.
”Your mortgage didn’t get to a robo-signer by accident, it’s because you’re not paying.”
Of course, it never occurs to these Wall Street slobs that toxic mortgages wound up on the desks of robosigners because Wall Street was essentially painting the tape (http://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/paintingthetape.asp) by green lighting so many BS mortgages. What happened as a result? People bought houses. People started flipping houses. The idea that you could refinance indefinitely became commonplace. And that wasn’t an unreasonable thing to believe in the beginning and middle of the mania. Wall Street manufactured the housing mania. Investors put their money into it because it appeared as sound as it had always had been. Consumers didn’t known the entire regulatory support system behind the mortgage industry had been destroyed. Why should they have thought that? It was all quietly torn down after wave after wave of conservative rule.
So the blame here shouldn’t be placed in the savings accounts of consumers. No. The blame should be channeled straight into the vaults of the financial industry.
I’ve also wondered about this, too. If all these “papers” have been sliced and diced and sold to this company & that hedgefund & this other investment bank, and so on and so forth… then who the eff actually “owns” the loan?? And WHO is legal to “collect”??
Again, conservatives come here to wag their fingers about deadbeats who walk away from their mortgages, but a lot of people DO say: I don’t know who the fack owns the mortgage anymore. The paperwork has changed; the companies have changed; the loan docs have changed; the account numbers have changed, and so on.
All very well to blame the owners, who do have some culpability. But to ignore the “other side” of this morass is to be willfully blind and willfully stupid.
Exactly. And stupid T-baggers, for all that they love to mouth the idiotic “free market” slogans, really don’t have a clue what they’re talking about, do they? So easy to blame the consumer and believe what Glenn Beck & that stupid CNN Money Guy say: oh the markets are just fantastic, and if left “free & unfettered,” all will be fantastic.
Stupid: this IS what happened when our markets were left “free & unfettered.” A giant economic crash and another depression. Really aggravating how people continue to push their heads up their butts and ignore reality in favor of being hypnotized by RushGlenn.
Stupid: this IS what happened when our markets were left “free & unfettered.” A giant economic crash and another depression. Really aggravating how people continue to push their heads up their butts and ignore reality in favor of being hypnotized by RushGlenn.
Welcome to the fate of the progressive. Resign yourself to scooping up the dogshit left by a manipulated, deceived, partially educated, grey mass of citizens that vote against their own best interests. It sucks I know, but I’d rather be scooping up dogshit than lying in a coma of political ignorance.
Funny how nobody ever seems to get charged with committing fraud. If the FBI has been investigating for six years, where are the results of the investigation?
Some Family members: Hillary, Leiberman, Salazar, Biden, & Daschle,
aka Democrats. HA!
More like psychofreaks.
Right. The Bush holdovers like Paulson and Gates were major red flags.
And Obama had the balls to protray his administration based on the Lincoln administration “Team of Rivals” as a template for his.
That corporate shill isn’t qualified to carry Lincoln’s jock strap.
Yes, it’s disgusting.
This would make the founding fathers throw up!
We need a new movement to keep religion *out* of politics.
I hear that! People like me, a college grad in a field (dementia care) where you have to be credentialed six ways from Sunday to make less than a skilled burger-flipper, thought, ok, I’ll work three jobs to do the one job I really love.
I could always pick up work, washing windows, painting houses; hell, I used to work full-time just cleaning new construction homes of the debris left by contractors.
Earlier this summer, I looked in the paper for the typical construction jobs, most of which I wouldn’t want, I just wanted to see jobs I could turn down. None found. None, not a single construction job in my local paper at the peak of the season.
I’m falling back from my fall-back position, back to the same room in the same house, and worse, the same wage people made 50 years ago. Min. wage was a buck in 1961; inflation-adjusted, that’s 10 bucks now, what people around here seem to think is a glorious wage. Too bad cost of living is closer to 16.
Meanwhile, I live right up next to Naval Air Station Whidbey Island. The Navy treats this island like a ship. No, more like their private mega yacht.
The very same planes, the exact same airframes and crews, that bomb other peoples back to the Stone Age, are doing the same thing right here. How much money does the base burn through in an hour, a day, a week, etc.? If they were to stand down for a day, and divert all that money to the locals, would that stimulate us, or what?
How many homes could be weatherized? Schools refurbished? Nah, we need to prop up puppets, or whack al-Qaeda moles, or rush more smart bombs (sic) to Israel so they can bomb the Gazans, or Lebanese, or Syrians, or Iranians, back to the Stone Age, right?
That right there is insanity of mythic proportions. I think Chalmers Johnson puts it best. We’ve done the imperial hubris thing long enough, now comes Nemesis. Are we going to dance with Her, or fight? IMO, history suggests only fools fight their own Fate.
So I say, come on, o sister my Sister Nemesis, this party’s over, let’s dance our way outta here.
In Cheney’s safe. Never to be seen again.
Bush pulled all those guys off the investigation to go and figure out some plan of trumped up terrorism charges on a few low level street thugs.
Don’t you love the creativity of our intelligence (ahem) agencies?
Shoe bomber, Underwear bomber, what’s next?
I’ve got it. They plant plastique in a dildo
and call him the Sex Toy bomber.
I hear you, knowbuddhau. We’re all strapped in for this ride. Let’s hope we can make things better when we reach whatever destination we’re headed to.
Sounds like a new movie, with Austin Powers as a vengeful “contractor:” The Spy Who Fragged Me!
I very nearly completely agree, with a slight change of perspective. If we don’t make it better along the way, how will we ever reach that mythical spot, where suddenly things turn better just like that?
I use this same reasoning when training paint crews. You have to intend the beauty with every breath and step, or else how will it be beautiful at the end? We can’t go out and buy a can of beauty and just slap it on right before the inspection.
Beauty is as beauty does, wouldn’t you agree? The key is as Peter Hershock of the East-West Center in Honolulu, puts it, virtuosic appreciation of and contribution to our situations from right within them, like musicians jamming together, all along the way. Only in that way will we surprise even ourselves at just how damn good we are.
That doesn’t mean I don’t appreciate making things ugly to make them beautiful, as in sanding and other prep work. Prep has the same under-appreciated beauty as the Fall. So does the kind of political-economic grunt work we’re doing here and now.
That is, “history” is often thought only to be that which is done by states, officials, etc., not by us, right? And occasional bozos, jackasses, and gate-crashers. But where would our overlords be, without us over whom to lord their sorry rent-seeking asses?
That’s the shift of perspective I’m on about. We’re the sovereigns here, but we’ve been conditioned to think and act like subjects of royalist wannabes, spectators only, not the real agents of historic change.
And wouldn’t it be a hoot if you paid off your mortgage and discovered that no one could deliver clear title?
I want to buy a house. It would be nice if I or my heirs could actually, you know, sell it some day.
Trust me on this: no matter the legal niceties, no matter the concept of right and wrong or fairness, the little guys are gonna have to pay off that house to somebody or get out.
Now that somebody may not be able to deliver clear title at the end of the line so that little guy actually owns the house at the theoretical end of the process, or even prove that the process has an end after his payments have been shuffled and reshuffled over decades, but I promise you, the only certainty in this whole damned process is that (except for a very few “lottery winners”) he will have to pay.
The fantasy that somehow hundreds of thousands of little guys will somehow avoid having to pay off their houses is just that – fantasy. They should consider themselves lucky if they pay in full and don’t get tossed out on their ears then!
Given the administrations track record, I assume that we’re on the hook for this as well?
At this point, you should not assume that you have clear title, or that you can get it, at least if a mortgage was involved in the last decade or so. Get a lawyer, that’s what they are for.
Buying a house today may simply not make any sense. Until we see how this plays out, you shouldn’t buy. As to people (tens of millions) who have bought in the last decade, I can see the following:
* Have a lawyer verify that the person you are making payments to actually, legally, holds the note. If not, determine who does. If that is no one, quit paying.
* If you have been making payments to someone who does not legally hold the note, sue for return of your payments.
* If you’re really paranoid and have the money, escrow the payments. If clear title is ever re-established, disburse the payments.
* If someone who does not hold your note tries to trash your credit, sue the credit agencies. If they don’t have standing, they can’t ding your credit rating.
* Live in the house and pay taxes. When you have to move, abandon it. You lose your down payment, but you had free housing for some period of time which might exceed the value of that down payment.
* Eventually the property returns to the county, who sells it at auction and thus re-establishes the title. It’s, what, seven years for the quit claim deed to become full title?
Overall a decade or more to clear this up. In the meantime, don’t buy. That’s how bad this situation is. Truely a third-world country, eh?
David –
That $10 bil loss — is for the first hour. Remember how fast Lehman and Bear stocks tumbled?
you should put this up at The Seminal.
Shorter-it is not always the content,but the intent of our actions.
I agree with you. If I were strapped into a barrel that was heading over Niagara Falls I’d keep a positive attitude. I might even sing a few songs on the way to the drop-off point. Being positive, however, still doesn’t change the fact that I’m about to go over Niagara Falls in a barrel.
Yes, just as on some levels, photons exist, but on others, light travels as self-propagating waves. Or in smart ass Zen terms, what body, what barrel, what Fall? It’s all about the Flow.
Similarly, when we say, the lights are on in a room, what’s important: the light, or the lights? If a bulb burns out, do we enshrine it as the bulb of all bulbs? Or replace it with a longer lasting CFL?
It all depends on where you anchor your sense of being. IMO, anchorless is the only way to go.
I bow in your virtual direction.
Word! How insightful of you. IBIYVD2.
Holy shit, is that the time? Where’ve I been?