John Carney, head mouthpiece at CNBC, sure sounds confident that the banks will not have to face any consequences for systematically defrauding the mortgage market for the past decade.
But Bank of America’s recent decline—down almost 10% this week—is driven by fears that the bank could be hit with huge liabilities for faulty mortgage pools. And I’m pretty sure that is not going to happen.
Why not?
Because the politicians will not let the financial stability of the largest bank in the nation be threatened by contractual rights. Not when there’s an easy fix available that won’t cost taxpayers a dime.
Here’s what is going to happen: Congress will pass a law called something like “The Financial Modernization and Stability Act of 2010” that will retroactively grant mortgage pools the rights in the underlying mortgages that people are worried about. All the screwed up paperwork, lost notes, unassigned security interests will be forgiven by a legislative act.
Here’s my favorite part: Carney says “there’s simply zero probability that the politicians in Washington are going to let Bank of America or Citigroup or JP Morgan Chase fail because of a legal issue.” Because why should trifling legal issues matter?
Now, you wouldn’t have lost a lot of money in recent years betting on the Masters of the Universe to escape unscathed. And given the attitude of the top bank regulators in the country, who still refuse to admit that anyone has been harmed by foreclosure fraud and continue to view it as a technical paperwork issue, it’s hard to argue with Carney’s speculation.
But I’m not so sure. In fact, I don’t think Carney’s so sure. After writing that story, he linked to this alert about mortgage-backed securities:
Mortgage-bond buyers are losing faith in the accuracy of remittance reports, and some say the apprehension could soon factor into their investment strategies.
Remittance reports, distributed monthly by securitization trustees, are supposed to provide routine snapshots of the cashflow-collection and distribution activities of servicers. However, investors say there has been a rash of recent instances in which the reported data differed considerably from what actually happened – making it impossible to determine values for their holdings [...]
Why have the once-reliable reports been wrong? Investors point in part to increasing use this year of mortgage-modification programs that government agencies and lenders have implemented to aid troubled borrowers. They claim some servicers fail to verify when the changes take effect, resulting in mismatches between when a given loan’s cashflows actually shift and when those adjustments are reported.
Servicers argue the volume of recent modifications has become overwhelming in comparison to their staffing levels. They also have faced ongoing struggles in figuring out how to treat loans that are in the trial phases of modification programs. “It has made it nearly impossible for us to appropriately account for changes,” one servicing professional said.
The servicers are basically making changes to loans without recording them properly for the remittance reports. Neither the investors, nor the servicers, know how much money is tied up in these securities. Between this inability to judge the value of the securities (the core job of any banker – they can’t even count money anymore), and the clear instances of fraud in selling the securities, the entire market in these products could verge on collapse.
Then you have the existing-home purchasers. My mouth gaped open when I saw this headline in the New York Times today: “Avoid Foreclosure Market Until the Dust Settles.” Its first sentence: “Are you out of your mind to even consider buying a foreclosed property right now?” Incidentally it’s the most popular emailed story on the site currently.
The writer, Ron Lieber, chronicles yet another foreclosure fraud nightmare story – in this case, a couple who bought what they thought was a home at a foreclosure auction, which turned out to be a second mortgage on a home with a first mortgage. So they paid $137,000 cash for a house that still had a massive mortgage on it – and the second mortgage and the first mortgage came from the same bank.
Finally, we’re seeing a shift in how the media is covering the story, as you can see above. Yves Smith picks up on a Wall Street Journal story that actually cogently explains the nub of the crisis: how the incompetent servicing industry didn’t follow any legal standards, which calls the entire housing market into some question:
But the banks’ “reassurance is not reassuring,” says Susan Wachter, a professor of real estate at the University of Pennsylvania’s Wharton School, because it doesn’t deal with how easily they can prove ownership of the underlying mortgages…
Real-estate law requires the physical transfer of paperwork whenever mortgages trade hands, and analysts are raising questions about how often that happened during the housing boom. One concern is that banks may have lost, or didn’t ever have, mortgage certificates. If that happened, banks will have to pause foreclosures for months as they track down certificates and refile paperwork…
Under a far gloomier scenario, the problems created by using robo-signers may be irrelevant if, instead of being lost, mortgage documents weren’t ever properly transferred during each step of the securitization process, says Adam Levitin, a professor of law at Georgetown University. If that happens, “the whole system comes to a halt,” he says. Investors could argue in court that they never owned the mortgages backing their money-losing securities.
Even more interesting is the long piece in, of all places, The Daily Caller, an incredibly good summation of the issues that makes no bones about its conclusions:
Wells Fargo wanted to foreclose on a condo unit which had multiple mortgages attached to it. Wells Fargo also owned one of those second mortgages. So Wells Fargo spent money to hire a law firm and file suit against the irresponsible lenders at Wells Fargo. Then, Wells Fargo spent money to hire a different law firm in an understandable effort to defend Wells Fargo from the vicious legal attack coming from Wells Fargo. The second law firm even prepared a legal statement for Wells Fargo which called into question the dubious claims being made by Wells Fargo. Sadly, Wells Fargo won the case, crushing the hopes of Wells Fargo.
As business reporter Al Lewis wrote at the time, “You can’t expect a bank that is dumb enough to sue itself to know why it is suing itself.” So goes the unprecedented wave of foreclosures that has swept across the country since the housing bubble popped. Mortgages have been bought, sold, and repackaged so many times through such an opaque process that banks have no idea who owns what. When they foreclose, they simply guess, making up the documents and information necessary to do so.
I’m actually recommending a Daily Caller story. Read the whole thing. It’s a comprehensive piece of reporting.
None of this means that the banksters won’t get let off the hook here. But you have investors who want to leave the market and probably will sue the servicers on the way out. You have purchasers who won’t go near a foreclosed property until the errors are corrected. You have title insurance sellers unlikely to touch these properties as well. You have experts who understand that you cannot improve the economy or the fiscal position of the county without addressing the behavior of the banks. You have media on the left, middle and even the far right recognizing the severity of the fraud.
This doesn’t set up favorably for an industry that will need even more massive support to get out from under the mess they’ve caused.




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So, do you think we may have a chance that their motto, “Too big to fail, too big to nail, too big to jail,” won’t apply in this mess? Oh, I do hope so!
BTW, excellent article, David. Thnx so much.
I wrote 5 diaries back at the Orange Satan railing against the bailouts before they happened. I also supported Rep Defazio’s (one of the good guys) plan (ignored by the media) to use existing Federal lending facilities to lend directly to consumers and small business – even though I liked my plan best – to establish a Federal Bank to do that and let those insolvent thieves institutions fail.
They (the diaries I wrote) were not well received. Some behaved as if I had suggested stealing their ample 401ks to solve the credit crunch. So instead, we took trillions in bad paper off the bank’s books and shoveled billions more in cash at them and are still loaning them 1% money that they then lend to credit card users at 30%.
Those banksters earned those massive bonuses. It takes talent to steal the wealth of a nation in mere months.
They’ll need it, and they’ll get it.
Otherwise, nice post.
I doubt the public, nor the Administration it seems, understands the depth and breadth of this problem. That said, anyone who mistakes a second mortgage for a first at an auction didn’t understand the process.
As has been said, stay away from foreclosed properties and understand and read what the hell you’re signing, if buying an existing property that’s been financed or refinanced in the past 10 years. Most of us just sign on the X’s to get escrow closed. Today you have to read the whole contract and title insurance or suffer the consequences. I wish the law required submittal of boiler plate early in the process instead allowing the borrower to be deluged at the last moment.
I saw this story in the NYT today. This is the second major story I am aware of that concerns someone thinking they are buying a first mortgage foreclosure and discovering later that in fact they bought a foreclosed second mortgage.
No one in their right minds would purchase a foreclosed second mortgage.
One more ripoff to be on the lookout for. Maybe the second mortgage holders are just looking for complete suckers.
The first story did not have a happy ending that I recall. It was some woman who used her life savings to help her son and his wife purchase a foreclosure and then surprise! it was a second mortgage.
I’m on record with friends saying this was going happen last Tuesday and the wh will sign off on it. Screw the little people.
Huge news. The FHLB of Chicago is suing BOA, GS and others over the poor quality MBS they sold the FHLB.
http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20101015/NEWS01/101019921?template=printart
This is gigantic. I suspect they went rogue. The White House, Geithner and Bernanke must be in a rage. Then again I am very cynical.
10% decline the market does think the banks are doomed.
Awesome! Thanks for relaying that piece of news. I think this could be the beginning of musical chairs. The FHLB of Chicago is just making sure it has a chair when the music stops.
So the USG is NOT big enuf to fail the banksters???
david, that wells fargo bit is one for an eddie murphy movie, that couldn’t be written by mel brooks, it would be too over the top for even him, nobody would buy the script or the premise
man oh man
This thing could be a game changer for Obama if he is clever enough to figure out how to handle it. GOP coming into power? Let them bail out the banks and see how popular they are in 2012
And I’m a wingnut!
“media on the left”….hmmmm…let me toss that around a bit in my head…*media on the left*…hmmm*…I still can’t wrap my head around that so I suppose you mean the liberal blogs, are we now considered “the media”?
wow, what an evolution and I we were not only a part of it, were were a good portion of the cause of it
KEWL!!!
http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20101015/NEWS01/101019921?template=printart
So the Feds got scammed backing over priced loans from BOA in Chicago Obama’s home turf? Were these minority loans per chance?
lol at Obama being clever enough to take advantage of anything.
Holder and Obama can’t be bothered with the mortgage and foreclosure crises because they’re busy chasing pot smokers.
It pains me greatly to say this, but I am seeing no way other than the retroactive legalization of MERS’ legally unsupportable chain-of-title theories to avoid a major financial collapse immediately before the midterm election. (Recall, they already tried once and it sailed through both houses before getting caught in that pocket-veto — you know, the one that came with the incredibly weak signing statement?) Ergo, such retro-approval seems to me just very, very likely to happen very very soon now. My interpretation of the foreclosure moratorium brouhaha this past week has been that this is purely about buying time while deals are made and new, improved bills are drafted.
Now, what the next terrible act in the larger story is, once MERS title becomes unassailable under law, I am not smart enough to see… but I’m dead certain that there will be one.
here is what I cannot understand yet;
no matter what, the banks lose more by foreclosing then they do by negotiating down
so suppose we even allowed that their foreclosures meet due process
that does not help them, they are left with assets that far underweigh their investment
they are FAR better off offering a cram down on their own, they would rather people remain in the asset maintaining it then letting it go unmaintained in anticipation of a foreclosure auction where they will get only a fraction of the actual value
I just do not understand how they want to foreclose, it just doesn’t make sense
for instance, my friend had a million dollar home in florida whence he took out 3 million dollars in equity loans, obviously he is underwater and knew he would be but the banks were lending and he was taking that free money
now, they won’t foreclose because they know they cannot recoup so they let him stay, he hasn’t paid the note for two years and they still better off letting him stay then letting the house sit unmaintained and hit the auction
Unconstitional. Can’t do it.
Assumes unconstitutional things can’t be done, which has not been the case for many years.
I am not sure Carney is wrong;After all the POTUS and most of congress takes orders from the banksters.The WH is already pretending that Fraud was not the intent of the banks.
We will see.Don’t hold your breath….even Krugman is “befuddled” by the WH’s action towards the banks.
Note that almost all of Bush’s US attorneys are still in place……hmmmm.just saying folks.
Rico act for the banksters ,hope they get all of Mozilos 600 MILL$$$$$$
remember that 20 second mega crash that happened a while back?
thom hartmann speculates that was a threat from the banksters;
“you play ball or we bring your country DOWN”
The banks are gambling foreclosed homes take forever to sell however until a final price is made I think they stay on a banks books at the old price.
Any bets banks are dragging their feet on foreclosed home sales dragging them out? Given my experience in the Seattle market nope the banks list at a super cheap price drag down everyone else’s price then they drag out the sale for months.
They make quick cash forcing home owners who own their homes, lost their jobs and have to sell sell for less as they hold out hoping the market goes up.
tee hee
you’re making a funny here, I get it
but they aren’t earning the dividend so that goes down
we need an expert, this is a job for echan
If this theory works assume banks target areas with huge job layoffs like Boeing in Seattle. Or places where home flippers borrowed money to buy new homes from banks planning to flip the homes quick Floridia, Nevada.
Why that where buyers would be the most desperate to sell.
My 27 might explain some of it banks lying about their numbers with Enron accounting might explain the rest.
Bankers get bonuses based on making the numbers Christmas bonuses million dollar bonuses would you lie for a million Perris I certainly would be tempted.
There is no reason to trust any banks numbers given the temptation to lie and lax government regulation during the Bush/Obama years.
In fact thanks to the bank bailout the bankers have even less reason not to lie.
i bet the dividend is paid by the bank bailout but the banks value based on the old loan stays the same until its sold. Problem how long can bank bailout money last notice the bank bailout was not used to refinance old home loans like Buh/Obama promised.
I think it went to pay home loan dividends to investors. I bet the banks thought the economy would perk up by now.
Are there still oil tankers off the gulf owned by banks full of oil waiting for oil prices to go up? They were waiting there since the banking crisis began thats the action of someone who thinks the economy would get better.
Bankers seem to have truly believed their own Neo Hoover Economics and thus might loose money.
I know the constitution is not a valid document anymore but am I still aloud to plead the 5th?
I think bankers really do believe hoover economics, they do believe there is such thing as an unregulated and free market
they do not see the trees because they are in the forest, they do not understand there cannot even be banks without regulation, they believe, (contrary to actual reality), that regulations are a bad thing
they believe their own hype
going to bed all, david this is a great entry you’ve made today, thanks
Sleep well.
Teddy Partridge is upstairs!
Obama Insults Youth Voters, Calls Election Time “Silly Season”
And the hype is what they tell Obama and Congress and most of all the GOP. I expect a second crash but one the government can’t pay for with a second bailout even if they give away all our SS money,
perris @ 18
The banks are not better off helping people keep their homes. The banks sold the mortgages to MBS, and are only in the business of servicing the loans. Servicing is a Countercyclical Diversification Strategy for earning money after the mortgage origination business and securitization business ends. The servicers are all owned by the big banks, and are incentivized to push borrowers into foreclosure, in order to maximize returns. I repeat: forcing borrowers into foreclosure maximizes return for the banks.
Yesterday Yves Smith informed us that the banks, in fact, retained the original notes, endorsed in blank, in warehouses. Perhaps ekunin’s comment this morning sheds light on the next stage of bank profiteering from foreclosure:
And there’s this from May:
So, the banks foreclose, get the house, and dump the loan into the MBS, clearing the debt off their books.
Story out there that the government knew all about this problem but kept it quite in the hopes that the banks would be able to wiggle their way out of this. Here again we are depending on banks to do the right thing. Private markets can regulated themselves. BS!
I agree. Obama has a chance to do some real good for the American people if he can just DO THE RIGHT THING. This is his second bite at this apple, and if he sides with the banks once again, I think the people of America will be done with him.
So far on this issue it’s been a very disappointing performance by President Obama. I still don’t understand his end game:
The President that presides over the corruption and destruction of America?
The President that finally crushed due process, property rights and the rule of law?
At first I thought Obama was going to end up being a Democratic Herbert Hoover. Now, I’m not so sure, but he seems to be shooting lower than that. Sort of a pathetic place in history.
I just cannot consolidate this in my head
a foreclosed property will earn less in the auction then the real market value, foreclosing therefore is net loss not net gain
this might be what happens when the market has not crashed, when there is more equity in a home then the auction will bring, then they make money on a foreclosure
however when there is less equity in the home then the auction will bring they make more by keeping a real market value on the home rather then the auction value
now, if a person has paid into his home and the home is worth more then the delta then a foreclosure makes sense for the bank, when the home is worth less then the delta forclosure does not make sense
as far as I can see, all rules have flipped when the value of the home has crashed
Can Cynthia, bmaz or any of the other legal folk around the Lake write something about the constitutionality of something like this proposed pixie-dusting of the MERS?
Of course with this Court, “constitutionality” is a rather quaint and laughable concept.
The shit will hit the fan, it’s anybody’s guess whether it will wait till after the election. More than once, last week, on CNBC the word fraud was used, and it was applied properly. It used to be shrugged off as a possibility, but now it is undeniable. They were debating whether it was ‘civil or criminal’ and David Faber acknowledged that there was indeed a possibility of ‘criminal’ cases.
I’ve been shocked at the silence of andrew cuomo through all this. I thought for sure that he would be frog marching one of those jackals who were doing ‘god’s work’…but no, crickets…buehler? buehler?
Did outing spitzer scare him off?
AIG was dropped by holder and the pig from country wide got a 70 million dollar hall pass out of jail.
This bomb is still ticking and I think barry is going to be on the wrong side of it. He would be in the 80% range if he had busted the banksters when he came in and welcomed their hate. His spots won’t change.
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/are-all-mortgage-backed-securities-scam
I’m more cynical than that. He just has to APPEAR to want to do the right thing but is stymied now by a Republican Congress. Get it? Then a bailout of sorts happens and he gets political cover by saying he wanted to do the right thing but was blocked.
Except that the longer they can put off any sale, the longer their balance sheets can continue to show the face value of the mortgage, or in the alternative, the last appraised value of the actual house that secures that mortgage. As soon as there is a sale event, perhaps even an appraisal event, * p o o f * goes a huge percentage of those figures, straight off the net worth of the corporation. Now, for any single home this is insignificant, but when you’re talking upwards of 25% of properties/mortgages losing over 50% of the booked value, than that’s a balance sheet catastrophe they’d do anything to postpone. It would drive their stock prices down, suddenly. So there may be institutional imperavtives at work there other than maximizing net end sales proceeds. Best case sales are still big losses.
Right, the title and note stuff may be allowed to slide if they can figure out a legislative solution.
However the FHLB thing goes beyond that to the very heart of the matter. The MBS were fraudulent on their face. I never thought in a million years any GSE would touch that base. It is huge they have for it greenlights all other parties to do the same.
It seems that perhaps this could become the systematic crisis for the TBTF banks that has always been part of this. Perhaps my initial reading on that is wrong.
Seems to me they wanna foreclose as fast as possible on as many as possible because we’re gonna pick up the tab on all their losses. They were hoping nobody would notice.
Presto, all the toxic assets that blew up the economy is off their books and we’re gonna choke on ‘em for the rest of our lives.
There’s one thing we never hear about and that’s the rest of the world.
They are pissed that Washington hasn’t done anything to stop the banking bullshit. They’re actually stunned at the rampant fraud and lawlessness of the banks while Washington looks on in approval.
And we the people are getting the shaft left and right.
The rest of the world is getting ready to leave us high and dry. They recognize a sinking ship when they see one.
I don’t think most people grasp the enormity of the numbers of people that are literally being thrown on the streets by this inept gambling that has been going on for the last decade. Talk about the fleecing of America.
The thing I find so weird about the whole thing is, if you were betting a giant pyramid of business and fortune on the backs of some group, wouldn’t you do everything in your power to protect the well being and livelihood of those individuals making up that group?
In America we have the financial elite basically running the business of the country. These same individuals have built this giant house of cards on the backs of workers, Then the same interests vote to deny millions, health care, living wages, access to opportunity, jobs, etc., etc., etc. You would think bankers would say hey medical monopoly and out sourcers, you’re killing our livestock.
NOne of what is happening in America adds up. All of it seems really strange. All I can figure is that people are worth more sick and dead and dividing their properties then they are alive and working. Apparently, that is exactly it.
So Im seeing that America is in the business of misery, disease, war, suffering, homelessness, ignorance, and fast food since we aren’t in the business of creating anything.
In conclusion I would like to state emphatically, I am not an organ donor.
I am very likely misunderstanding something about the relationship between the parties, but if the MERS title maneuvers were to be made legal, then at that point, why would the MBS’es still be fraudulent? Do you mean the high appraisals? Or something else?
One very bad day in the early 1990′s, some very clever (though sociopathic) people realized that under the right circumstances, there could be much, much more money made by a very few people by crashing a business, than by operating it for profit. Game Over.
No, she’s just pointing out that this is mostly a state law issue. Yves Smith cover it here:
http://watch.bnn.ca/#clip359769
Whose talent, the banks’ or the administration’s economic team’s? (I think I’ve got all the possessives right.) So, like, who heisted Fort Knox, here, the banks or the administration’s economic team?
I would hesitate buying a recently foreclosed home for another reason. Feels like some kind of negative karma attached to it, like a house where someone died in it. Also I would be “profiting” from someone else’s pain. I know, makes me out of step with the new American ruling ethos.
Is there a difference?
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Hypothetical: If the choice ahead turns out to be to either (a) leave MERS illegal, prosecute the evildoers, see the banks fail and not be bailed out, and as a result go through an economic crisis (since MBS would instantly lose all value) that would devastate the US and drive many times more people out of their homes than have already lost them, not to mention returning the R’s to power in Congress; or else (b) retroactively OK the MERS stuff and avert all that… then, which path would we choose?
Here’s my view:
The Feds NEED to sprinkle magical pixie dust over this mess.
- Here’s the diary
and here’s the bottom line:
fuck the Servicers and Originators – the BOND HOLDERS need to be keep whole. The price to do this is to keep the servicers in business. We need them to manage the cash flow.
In exchange for the “fogiveness”, What do we want?
Really like that part!
See that FEAR of an economic collapse was used to sell the last bank bailout, but it’s complete crap. Some very smart economists that saw the collapse coming had solutions which prevented a bank system problems while the the TBTF banks were in receivership and restructured:
http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/?p=68973
Skip to 3:18 mark to hear the discussion of what happens if the bank goes under.
And remember GM went bankrupt, the company continues while the BK occurs.
IANAL, but I do not understand how Congress can simply take the position that not following the law is OK and forgiven. These lenders were signatories to legal documents and needed to produce these documents in a complete and thorough legal portfolio in order to forclose. The Title Companies needed to assure that all documentation was in place to insure title if the properties were resold. Anyone that circumvented this or forged documents is guilty of a crime. I don’t believe Congress can give blanket amnesty to one side for a criminal act. Don’t the courts have to rule on these case by case?
I think you’re very close.
Bankers are not normal. They are the lowest common denominator of
mankind. They have been trying for a one world government (controlling all the money) since 1950. That would mean getting rid of other banks and eventually creating one currency worldwide. Seems to be moving right along.
They appointed the perfect guy to get things cooking. Obama is not only a pathological liar, but an arrogant prick who has zero compassion. The suffering and misery they’re causing on the world is collateral damage in their minds. No big deal.
Their idea for the US is to drive down wages far enough to be competitive with the Chinese labor force. No social safety nets, no regulations, no unions, no environmental protections, no worker protections, and no legal recourse for the masses.
Obama’s ideology is more in line with Grover Nordquist than Ronald Reagan.
Look up ‘warrantless wiretapping’, it’s a precedent now.
I’m not sure whether you’re saying this time isn’t different, but I think it is.
Bailing them out means they can hold us hostage, forever.
I say screw em. Crush them. Let’s take our lumps now and put an end to to domestic terrorism once and for all.
It doesn’t have to be as terrible as they’re making it out to be.
Declare a 90 day bank holiday and take them over. Dump the entire economic team including Bernanke, and Geitner, and get to work.
They want us to fear the banks failing so they’re deliberately scaring us.
That’s terrorism. Know who will be hurt more than us? THEM. The elites and their gold encrusted portfolios. That’s who they;re protecting, not us. It’s never about us anymore, so quit buying their scare tactics.
Frankly, I don’t know what choice they have anymore. After this shit, it’s going to be a cold day in hell before anybody in the world trust US banking and investment.
You’ve got that right.
If Obama and Congress bails them out again, which sure seems likely, they are the biggest collective morons in the history of the world.
What happened to all the tough talk about never negotiating with terrorists? Because that is exactly what these guys are.
Knowing how Obama thinks, he’s gonna put us at their mercy again. And rub our face in shit by paying for their crimes.
I really hope the Thugs win big and impeach his ass. I don’t care how stupid the reason, he’s gotta go. He’s a damn traitor.
Well, this is what happens when all three branches of government are rotten to the core and the press is government propaganda.
The rule of law is what made America.
Now, we’re like any other run of the mill kleptocracy.
It’s no different. In fact it’s worse. Our country is in a lot worse position balance sheet wise since we pumped a massive amount of money into the last bailout. I have seen a wide variety of estimates (ranging from $4 trillion to a top max estimate of $23.7 trillion), here’s one:
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/06/bailout-costs-vs-big-historical-events/
Every time we do a bailout we have lost more manoeuvring room for dealing with the real crisis, and that’s a lack of good jobs, a lack of a manufacturing base that makes real things that create value, a lack of companies that invest in America’s people and economy.
This time is no different, The smart people that were talking about what a mistake it was to bailout the banks last time got rolled by the MSM, and quite frankly by Obama when he went into office. Most of them were shocked with how Geithner dealt with this mess.
I’m not so sure.
Property law is state law at its most fundamental, and each state has its own legal requirements for foreclosure. I suspect there will be a good deal of pushback on that issue.
Seattle in the hizzy !
Bondholders need to be kept whole? Pardon me while I laugh. Ask Tom Lauria and the GM bondholders about that one.
Ah, sorry, but you know how this works:
Shareholders – already taking it as stocks go down. These guys get wiped out.
Bondholders – next in line but let’s face it, you’re getting a haircut. How big depends on the type of bond and how bad the losses.
Buyers of AAA rated junk loans – you should sue the selling banks to take these piles of crap back AND collect interest! These were fraudulently represented and sold.
Depositors – accounts are protected and insured to FDIC limits.
Don’t buy real estate for any reason in the US for at least five years.
The bondholders of Freddie and Fannie were kept whole. Of course they were mostly Chinese.
With Fannie getting an ongoing unlimited bailout from Treasury and the FED buying up any crap the banks want to sell it, why would there even be a need for Bailout II? It seems to me like Bailout I is limitless and still ongoing.
They did…Remember Katrina??? This needs to be a story that is covered in the main media. Homecomings financial is GMAC…was Cerberus owned by Dan Quayle and other republicans. They totally took advantage of the crises. I crowed about it at the time but back then no one was listening to me about the extent of the fraud.
businessWire
GMAC-RFC and Homecomings Financial to Donate Up To $1,000,000 to Hurricane Katrina Relief Effort
09.02.05, 4:31 PM ET http://www.ripoffreport.com/mortgage-companies/homecomings-financia/homecomings-financial-wrongful-f6p6f.htm
http://www.allbusiness.com/banking-finance/banking-lending-credit-services-mortgage/5452410-1.html
They absolutely went into disaster areas and began loaning money. The complaints are heart breaking!
The government will NEVER let the banks fail. It just ain’t going to happen.
I am sure your diaries were great, the Orange Satan spends most of its time these days defending the current NeoLiberal administration. Their latest obsession is that Democrats are rallying and their losses in November are going to be minor. There are still some individuals worth reading, but for the most part hopey changy rules the day.
I wish I had the same high hopes you do but the past 10 years, Obama’s Presidency included, have not once done right by the American people. Washington will simply adjust the laws to benefit their donors – the banks. End of story. I’m distraught about it, but that’s the very sad reality. We are officially a Corporatocracy.
Yes, on most days Kos is an embarrassment. Aside from a few issues, there is absolutely no rational critique of anything Obama-status-quo, particularly on fundamental economic issues.
On the elections, “I’m fired up!” “Ready to go!” seems to be the mantra of what appears to be paid democratic party shills.
Of course, there are some exceptions.
An excellent article…….
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-reich/the-feds-new-bubble-masqu_b_765368.html?view=screen
Letter to Wells Fargo Spokeswpman Vickee Adams,
Dear Ms. Vickee Adams,
In your recent Wells Fargo’s press release, you declared that “”Our records show that Wells Fargo’s foreclosure affidavits are accurate, When the company finds employees that don’t follow procedure, it takes “corrective action.”
That’s a lie. I can say for a fact that Wells Fargo made us fraudulent mortgage loan and foreclosed my home based on hugely inflated and fraudulent appraisal and refused to correct its mortgage fraud.
Wells Fargo teamed up with its attorneys and spent last 4 years in Nevada courts defending its appraisal and mortgage fraud.
Wells Fargo and its attorneys knew it’s Category C Felony to make mortgage loan based on fraudulent appraisal.
Wells Fargo and its attorneys knew it’s Category C Felony to foreclose home based on fraudulent appraisal.
Wells Fargo chose to violate the law and chose to defraud us.
Hold Wells Fargo Accountable! Save American Dream! Restore banking integrity.
Please sign the Petition at http://www.wellsfargomortgagefraud.com. Let our voice be heard!
Another move toward emulating Chinese-style capitalism:
GM workers at Orion plant protest pay cut plans
Let’s face it. The New World Order cannot happen with a strong American Democracy. This has been in the pipes for years.. at least since the last Great Depression.
Obama’s economic team was the first on the scene; rushing in to solidify Paulson’s 3 page deal with the Fed and the Banks. Remember they told us they had “studied the Great Depression”? now we know it was so they could make it stick this time and not have another class traitor like FDR mess it up for them
Obama’s been hiding behind the very small Republican minority for the last 2 years. I’m sure he’ll breathe a sigh of relief when he really DOES have a major shift to a republican majority…then, he thinks NOTHING will stick to him. IMO the reason he keeps insulting his base……which is not his base.
I’m pretty sure the precedent he set with the Telcoms will be applied to retroactive immunity to the banks AND MERS.
And that they WILL steal SS to finance that and the wars.They’ll take the internet too.The lame duck session ought to be real interesting.
America has become a puppet state for what the elites have wanted to return to yesteryear for years…slavery.
What does the Shock Doctrine have to say about how long it takes for a country to get it back together after an attack like this? About 20 years…but that’s with a citizenry which knows what happened and starts fighting almost immediately.
Right now all we’re fighting is each other
Having slept on it, it seems like no immediate financial bailout would be needed at all if MERS title were retroactively legalized. Have I got that right? There would still be a gradual value drop in the MBS’es that make up so much of our pension system holdings, as the MBS’es all wind up inevitably getting marked-to-market — and that is a separate issue — but there wouldn’t be the sudden evisceration that would occur if their connection to their security properties were insta-vanished by formally invalidating MERS title.
The instant crisis is primarily a title crisis, not primarily a value crisis.
Our choice isn’t…
(a) Economic crisis
(b) Avert all that
It’s…
(a) Amputation/Chemotherapy/Radiation
(b) Pretend you don’t have cancer
Yes, I have been thinking this exact same thing for days now.
You assume we have the power to get that done, which I admire from a spiritedness perspective. But from a real world perspective, I don’t know that we do.
U.S. Trying to Assess Foreclosure Crisis Scope: FDIC
[Among other things, Bair hopes the industry will do some rigorous internal investigation. Oh, yeah.]
LINK.
(Hi fatster!)
Looks like standard Due Diligence Kabuki. To judge from this alone, it could go either way.
(You, too, Hmmm.)
Don’t underestimate their ability to think of a third way (which won’t work, either, but will surely be at our great expense).
Aaah, Life, the Universe, Everything. The question has been put, and we wait the answer. Has the little experiment with a republic by those immigrants across the water been compromised? Will the accursed ever stand to the bar for justice for their tyranny?
It feels like 1775. We have no representation. We are paying taxes to support an army that does nothing for us, but does only the king’s bidding. Our resources are stolen by the house of lords and we are expected to worship them, our great and kind masters. Our products are sitting in the harbours because our king has put a tax upon it that prices it too high to sell to our neighbors. Our land has been taken from us because the king had a better use for it.
Shall we stand?
We don’t. Until we remember that we have collective power only if we take to the streets, strike and take other direct citizen action, that is.
Nothing scares the bejeezus out of the aristocracy more than “the mob.”
That’s us – if we use these damned computers as an organizing tool instead of for pointless mental masturbation.
Oh, I know. I still check in there from time to time, but I no longer post there.
That place seems almost quaint now. Completely divorced, for the most part, from reality.
I’ve seen mentions in passing for several months that Fannie and Freddie were trying to force some banks to buy back mortgages that didn’t meet the Fannie and Freddie requirements. Apparently they bought first (as required by the Treasury), then checked to see if the underwriting was valid. They’ve found a LOT of fraud. Remember back in 2004 the FBI warned Treasury there was “an epidemic of fraud.” Unfortunately after Bush took 500 investigators from other divisions to beef up the anti-terrorism division, he (and now Obama) NEVER REPLACED THEM! So they don’t really have the manpower they need to prosecute, even if they wanted to.
The Congress voted, with Obama in the majority (during his presidential campaign), to give retroactive cover to the telcos for unauthorized wiretaps.
Obama had promised to vote against any such bill, but he flipped when it came time to vote.
I’m sure he’d have no problem supporting retro immunity for banksters. And the Roberts Court surely would not want to hurt the widdle feelings (and big profits) of these banks just practicing a bit of fraud to increase profits. I’m sure he agrees with Obama that they are
savvy businessmen. THey are, after all, legal fiction persons, and what Roberts type conservative judge would want them to throw a tantrum if they don’t get their way?